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Marvel's Apocalypse and the Fascination with Ancient Egypt's Dark Side

11/28/2018

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​The other day, archaeologist David S. Anderson posted an article on Adventures in Poor Taste discussing the Marvel Comics villain Apocalypse and why he is associated with ancient Egypt. In the piece, Anderson traces back fascination and fear of all things Egyptian to the 1922 opening of the tomb of Tutankhamen and the resulting media frenzy surrounding both the tomb opening and the subsequent allegations that a pharaonic “curse” had felled several of the participants in the excavation. I know Anderson slightly from Twitter, so I hope he will forgive me if I dissent a bit from his analysis.
​In the article, Anderson provides a simple and direct line of succession from Tutankhamen’s “curse” to Apocalypse:
Tales quickly emerged that the tomb was cursed. One such story garnered special attention, as it was told by none other than Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. […] During an interview about the discovery of Tut’s tomb, Conan Doyle suggested it might have been cursed. […] The mania surrounding Tut’s tomb and alleged curses spiraled into a ground-breaking moment for the modern genre of horror films when Boris Karloff’s The Mummy was released in 1932.  With the emergence of a deadly walking mummy on the silver screen, the ancient past was now alive and dangerous in ways it never had been before. […] The rise of Apocalypse is built upon the back of the mummy as a movie monster.
​Anderson’s analysis is both correct and also incomplete.
 
Anderson is quite right that Tut created a wave of Egyptomania that led to the Mummy movie, but the Mummy drew as much on nineteenth century living-mummy fiction (and there was a surprisingly large amount of it) as it did King Tut. The movie was designed to capitalize on the decade-old Tut story, but it was an original story taking inspiration from Doyle’s 1890 “Ring of Thoth” and the life of Alessandro Calgliostro—of all things.
 
It’s probably overstating the case quite a bit to say that the ancient past came alive with The Mummy in ways it had not previously. After all, Dracula was a living corpse from the Middle Ages, and the very origins of Gothic fiction trace back to The Castle of Otranto, in which a medieval knight comes back from the dead. The Mummy may have taken the theme further back in time, but not in a way significantly different from Victorian mummy fiction, or from H. P. Lovecraft’s contemporary stories about monstrous aliens from previous eras of Earth’s history returning from their timeless slumber. It would take a book to explore the theme of ancient evils in literature, but at a gross level there are only three places to put evil: the past, the present, or the future. So, by default, most evil has to come from the past, since the future is unknowable and there is much more past than present.
 
But let us turn to the specific question of Egypt.
 
As I have written in the past, the origins of the curse of Tutankhamen’s “curse” aren’t to be found only with Doyle but fall more on Marie Corelli, who, in 1923, linked the death of Lord Carnarvon, the sponsor of the Tut dig, to medieval legends of cursed Egyptian tombs: “According to a rare book I possess, which is not in the British Museum, entitled ‘The Egyptian History of the Pyramids’ translated out of the original Arabic by Vattie, Arabic professor to Louis XVI of France, the most dire punishment follows any rash intruder into a sealed tomb.” She was referring to Murtada ibn al-’Afif’s History of Egypt, which was itself a partial copy of the Akhbar al-zaman (a.k.a. The Digest of Wonders), a medieval digest of legends about Egypt which included influential stories about cursed tombs, secret wisdom, magical artifacts, and the antediluvian history of the pyramids—all elements that found their way into modern pop culture views of Egypt.
 
How this came to be is a fascinating story that I have told many times, and which I might be turning into a book in the next year or two. The appearance of Murtada’s book in French translation and a later English edition electrified artists and literary types, who saw in it a source of unfamiliar romantic legendry well suited to art. It happened to be published around the same time that Athanasius Kircher claimed to have deciphered hieroglyphics (he had not) and revealed some of the “true” history of Egypt—which turned out to be based on stories copied from the Akhbar al-zaman. These medieval legends are the true origin of cursed tombs and tales of magical Egyptian wonders and the dark powers of Egyptian sorcerers. They have their basis in Biblical and Quranic stories of Egyptian magic, but the medieval versions canonized the now-familiar pseudo-archaeological tropes of death-traps in tombs, moving and talking statues, magical potions, curses, ancient wonders predating all known civilization, and all the other pulp trappings that popular writers have used for the past two centuries.
 
Murtada’s book found favor with the Romantic writers. Percy Shelley famously became so obsessed with it that a friend had to throw it out of the window to make him stop reading it. The Akhbar al-zaman caused a sensation when published in French at the end of the nineteenth century. In between, partial translations in the Operations of Col. Vyse introduced the same legends to readers of history and science, and they had an influence on science. It was from the Akhbar al-zaman and its accounts of antediluvian civilizations in Egypt that the great Egyptologist Gaston Maspero found his “proof” that the Sphinx predated Egypt, a theme that the Theosophists were quick to pick up and which found its way into pop culture, not least when H. P. Lovecraft incorporated the idea into “Under the Pyramids,” the Weird Tales story he ghostwrote for Harry Houdini.  
 
Some of these elements influenced non-fiction stories about “cursed” Egyptian artifacts that predated the discovery of Tutankhamen’s tomb, such as the claim that the British Museum’s Egyptian coffin lid of a woman, known as the “Unlucky Mummy,” is cursed and responsible for various deaths and catastrophes. The claim goes back to the early 1900s, and it obviously draws on the Victorian and Gothic traditions, with their echoes of medieval Arabic lore, born of European Orientalism.
 
By the time King Tut was unearthed, there was already large body of literature about cursed tombs, ancient evils, and other such Egyptian mysteries. What Tut did was to spark the largest wave of Egyptomania in modern times, though one that has antecedents going back at least to Napoleon’s conquest of Egypt, and amplify existing conceptions of mystical Egypt circulating among adherents of Arabic legendry and the various occult groups.
 
Western civilization has seen Egypt as a land of deep antiquity, ancient wisdom, and potent magic since at least the time of the Greeks, and it is no wonder that the tradition has continued unbroken down to the present. The specific form this belief has taken in modern times, however, is traceable to the influence of medieval Arabic legendry on Romantic writers and Victorian scholars.
31 Comments
Jockobadger
11/28/2018 01:19:13 pm

Thanks Jason. Nice write-up. Back in 1978, a bunch of artifacts from King Tut's tomb went on display at the Pacific Science Center in Seattle. I was in HS and my mom insisted we go see it. I recall being skeptical but was surprised at how cool it all was. The funerary mask and the "coffinette" that held some of Tut's internal organs were truly beautiful. The craftmanship/artistry surprised and amazed me.

That visit caused me to read up on Carnarvon, the curse, Carter, etc. This was when it first sort of dawned on me that people from Egypt of 1300 BC (or that matter Athens, or Rome) were really no different that I was wrt intelligence, wit, humor. The only real difference was technological advancement.

A stela was found that indicated that King Tut was deified while still alive and could be appealed to for forgiveness for any crime or sin.

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Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 02:59:33 pm

I have an issue with "The only real difference being technological advancement." There are WAY TOO MANY examples of artifacts which couldn't be duplicated without "modern technology". I would suggest is our level of sharing and cooperation has changed. There are still feats achieved in Antiquity which cannot be duplicated today.

Sincerely,

Idiot Imbecile

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/28/2018 03:13:39 pm

Name one. Just one will do.

In other news:

"Diana Muir November 27, 2018 at 4:29 PM
It seems that the 'grand debunker' did try to reach me, but through Twitter. He was apparently responding to a mass message I'd sent out through Twitter, which I never use. For some reason he thinks the book is $95; sorry only $40. Regardless, he is blocked now and won't be getting any more Twitter feed.


AnonymousNovember 27, 2018 at 9:36 PM
Diana,

Scott will no doubt call this a "gotcha" but you tweeted someone, albeit as part of a mass mailing. Then he responded and you ignored it. It's not that you "never use" Twitter, it's that you're using it wrong. You've blocked him so clearly you do use Twitter. I don't have a Twitter account so I can honestly say I never use it.

Mary Mason

Scott Wolter November 28, 2018 at 7:37 AM
Mary Mason,

So what is your point? There is no need to be paranoid, all I'm asking is for people to be respectful in their posts and dispense with the nastiness. It's fine to have a little fun and if there's an issue or you don't buy something said it's fair to bring it up. It's the troll behavior that won't be tolerated, and even though some might find it silly, please don't post as "anonymous." Have the decency to put your name behind your words. And is you don't have the courage to stand behind your comments, at least make up something believable like "Mary Mason."

Thanks

Diana Muir November 28, 2018 at 7:41 AM
Mary Mason,

I think if you look at the number of tweets I've done in the past 5 years on Twitter, you'll find they are few and far between. "Rarely" would have been a better choice of words. I sent out a tweet about the book so that I could reach more people. Probably the first tweet in a very long time. I didn't ignore his message. I simply didn't see it until a few days ago and then made certain he was blocked. I choose not to endorse his type of journalism."

Jockobadger
11/28/2018 06:01:19 pm

Hey Priceless,

Just a couple of things:

I'm a bit confused - what do you mean by "....WAY TOO MANY examples of artifacts which couldn't (could not) be duplicated without "modern technology"?? You seem to be suggesting that there lots of artifacts out there that one would need "modern technology" to duplicate? That doesn't make sense wrt your argument. Are you suggesting that way back in the dawn of time there was once the equivalent of modern technology, which was subsequently lost, then we developed it again? Like, modernly? Antikythera-type stuff??

Also, I didn't use the term "modern technology" so why the quotes? I wrote technological advancement. I guess I might've been more specific by mentioning advancements in the understanding and use of electricity, chemistry, materials tech, etc. Please advise - I'm interested. Thanks.

Btw, please DO name one!

Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 08:31:49 pm

I apologize. My words were incomplete. Modern technology or without tools, materials, or mathematics supposedly inaccessible, or unknown to the particular culture, and or time period.

The Antikythera Device is a good example for mathematics. This device was built using mathematics not invented yet. Math attributed to Islamic scholars a thousand years later.

One. Easy! I would like to see anyone quarry, cut, and raise the stones comprising the foundation retaining walls of Baalbek, and the Temple Mount.

At this point, your're probably thinking things like Idiot, Imbecile, Dummy of course we can duplacate that.

So...How do you propose to deal with the Zealots?

Sincerely,

Idiot Imbecile

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/28/2018 08:45:11 pm

Okay, Epic Failure. The Greeks understood gears and arithmetic and they looked at the sky because there was no TV. So the Antikythera Mechanism is a non-starter.

Moving big rocks? That's the best you've got? You want to watch from your jacking off lawn chair while others do the work? Failure.

The challenge stands. Name ONE, bitch.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/28/2018 09:05:28 pm

[Antikythera Device]

Read more on this remarkable, but totally explicable, ancient device here:

https://archyfantasies.com/2012/05/24/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-antikythera-mechanism/

Here's a telling quote from that article: "These claims that the ancient world was without the knowledge to produce such devices are completely unfounded and can only come from a lack of knowledge about ancient times."

They have lots of sources for additional reading.

[Baalbek, and the Temple Mount]

https://www.ancientaliensdebunked.com/baalbek

Once again, lots of sources, including some details about ancient building/stone-moving techniques. Here is but one of those sources:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/egypt/raising/rome.html

This has got some of the details of Ancient Egyptian obelisks moved by Ancient Rome. That means that, at least, two ancient cultures managed to move and/or create these rather large stone objects.

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Finally I note the following: It doesn't take a stupid person to be incorrect about the ancient world. Rather it takes a person who is too-willing to not consider ancient contexts and substitute modern ones. We couldn't do what they did with stone, but that's because we have other materials. They couldn't do what we can do with our materials, but that's because they had other materials (namely stone).

-An Anonymous Nerd

Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 10:22:56 pm

You have missed the point. Every culture you've mentioned has built upon them. NO ONE has ever duplicated those stones.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/28/2018 11:16:09 pm

The challenge stands. NAME ONE.

Explain the relocation of Cleopatra's Needle to Paris, BITCH.

You are quite simply wrong about everything and should take your own life. End the pain for your loved ones. No doubt they're tired of your nonsense too.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/28/2018 11:20:30 pm

[You have missed the point. Every culture you've mentioned has built upon them. NO ONE has ever duplicated those stones. ]

Actually the fact that Herod's version of the temple and the Roman stones at Baalbek both exist, and that there are multiple Egyptian obelisks, and for that matter multiple pyramids, means that they were all in a sense duplicated. Little point in doing exactly the same thing. There's only one Empire State Building, to make a modern analogy. But there are multiple tall buildings with similar materials.

Only one Antikythera Device though....But...Well here's a quote from the article I linked to:

"However, close examination of the device shows that every piece is exact and hasn’t been modified after manufacture (Antikythera). Meaning, this was the end product of a great deal of trial and error, like any great invention."

Trial and error. Prototype machines that were lost to the mist of times? A good bet. Imitators? Maybe.

Either way....I'm afraid it's you that's missing the point. There's way better reasons to think that our ancestors were clever and crafty than that there were ancient aliens, or Atlantis, or what have you.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 11:21:28 pm

In my efforts to avoid retaliating for the name calling, . I forgot to mention how you have misread read my words. I was using the Antikythera Device as an example of the supposedly unknown tool, materials and in the case JUST THE MATHEMATICS.
It was a completion of my thoughts from my first statement. Of course we could duplacate the Antikythera Device. I was attempting to make one myself until, my copper was stolen by Tweekers. Those mindless people can sniff out copper so we'll, mining companies should hire them.

My one still stands. No one stated how they would deal with the Zealots. Cherry picking your responses while failing to see the bigger picture.

Unless your birth name is Kal-El , you all wouldn't have faired to well in neighborhood, I grew up in. Way to show your internet intestinal fortitude!

An Anonymous Nerd
11/28/2018 11:30:56 pm

[In my efforts to avoid retaliating for the name calling, ]

And from there onwards your post simply bears no relationship to anything I said, or any known evidence. The sentence before this one is the closest I've come to insulting you in this entire exchange.

Oh, well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 11:37:14 pm

If you did not rrsort to name calling, maybe that part wasn't directed towards you. I already feel like I'm back in junior high.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/29/2018 07:36:48 am

[If you did not rrsort to name calling, maybe that part wasn't directed towards you.]

Quotes are useful for this reason. Also there is no real way to tell what you'll consider name-calling.

[ I already feel like I'm back in junior high. ]

Huh? Well I do have memories of being that young many, many years ago, and speculating with friends about the lost mysteries of the ancient world. The more I read about those cultures, though, the more those questions vanished as there were fewer and fewer reasons to ask them when I was exposed to accurate information. And the more I learned that the real unanswered questions (the details of the making of armor in the Middle Ages is one) were more interesting than the fake unanswered questions.

-An Anonymous Nerd

V
11/29/2018 03:43:15 pm

Your difficulties, I think, come from a basic lack of understanding of the Six Basic Machines of physics. More specifically--and this is not an attack on you; our education system is SHIT about explaining this--the fact that every single advanced device we have today is a conglomeration of the Six Basic Machines. Cranes? Pulleys and wheels. Gasoline-powered motor? Wheels and gears. Professional stone-cutting saw? Pulleys, gears, and wheels. Every piece of equipment we have now for building is made up of the same basic building blocks, just like every word in the English language is made up of the same 26 basic letters, just strung together in hugely different combinations.

Babe, I once moved a 2-ton block of steel--a safe, specifically--about 80 feet, on my own, with two rocks and a rope, because I understood how to use pivots, and I "walked" that thing all the way around my house to the back door it was intended to go into. That's something you don't actually NEED math for, you just need observational power--and when your life literally depends on it, you learn to observe real good. Obelisks and temple blocks are building on what was done at Stonehenge and at Gobekli Tepe and HUNDREDS of other, earlier sites, and is so eminently doable without "modern technology" that it was literally discovered over and over and over across the globe independently.

Greek mathematics was extremely advanced, and it's untrue that the Antikythera device required mathematics out of their scope. And even a basic Wikipedia search will show you that we have a plethora of evidence that it not only wasn't "too advanced" for Greek mathematicians, but that it grew out of along tradition with numerous well-documented mathematicians and scholars contributing to its ultimate creation. That technology, that math, was LOST to the European world LATER, during the collapse of Rome most likely, when a loooooot of things were lost due to unrest.

Excavating the foundation of a building after it's built is frankly an entirely different proposition from laying that foundation before building; even today, it's about 3 times more expensive to FIX a foundation than it is to lay a new one. But if you're talking about laying a new foundation of the same type...been done, in the past 30 years, by experimental archeologists, using techniques native to the time.

I'm also not sure what exactly your point about the Zealots is even supposed to BE, though. Are you trying to say that they couldn't possibly have come up with the idea of violently resisting the oppression of an empire, when that exact same story is literally in Torah in the form of Moses, of David and Goliath, of a dozen other conquests prior to the Roman era? Because the only other interpretation *I* can come up with is "How do you deal with that movement?" and my answer is "the same way I do with modern racists and bigots" and fail to understand what it even has to do with a discussion of technology levels.

I'm sorry, honey, but what you're defending is a pile of rocks you're imagining to be a castle, not an actual, defensible premise.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/28/2018 11:43:16 pm

"Unless your birth name is Kal-El , you all wouldn't have faired to well in neighborhood, I grew up in. Way to show your internet intestinal fortitude!"

Is this Chris originally from Florida now from Autism, TX who works for Oracle and has a problem with bipolar insanity?

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Riley V
11/29/2018 10:38:20 am

Slightly OT.

Lord Canarven’s estate is where Downton Abbey was filmed.

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Priceless Defender
11/29/2018 11:02:21 am

Well. Thank you boys and girls for taking me back to Junior High. Seriously. It made me realize, yesterday was the 27th anniversary of the State Football Championship my senior year. Won with a core group of guys who all met in junior high. A core group so close and competitive, we only lost two games in 5 years together. The only two games I did not play. Good memories to have come rushing back. Thank you. Only two of us ever discussed ancient mysteries. We had enough Street Smarts to know better.

Again, you have missed my point completely. Regurgitating facts at me which, I already know proves nothing. Providing links to information I'm already familiar with also proves nothing. My one still stands. No one has ever duplicated those stones. Sumerians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans have ALL built upon these stones. Other than the Zealots of every flavour, form, and fashion which would stymie your every effort, it would take a level of cooperation currently unattainable. You're not seeing the bigger picture, or asking the right questions. You're only showing a smug narcissistic attempt to prove your intelligence. So...scratch, scratch...pat, pat...THAT'S A GOOD BOY/GIRL!

When are the adults due back?

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Joe Scales
11/29/2018 01:06:55 pm

You imbecile, the reason there is no equipment made these days to move heavy stones is because we use concrete now. Lacking this, the ancients had to make do stacking rocks on top of rocks. You'd think if some advanced alien culture came to our planet way back when, they'd have maybe taught them to mix concrete, or used some other advanced technology. Now begone imbecile, sulk away and come back with yet another moniker as if we're not able to see right through that as well.

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Jockobadger
11/29/2018 03:25:57 pm

Thanks Joe - exactly correct. In fact, the Romans developed some exceptionally good concrete, used primarily in their seriously durable roads. They clearly understood the concepts of slaking and hydration and already knew about reinforcing. I don't know if earlier civs used real concrete - as opposed to clay/brick.


Also, Priceless, I'm a Licensed Engineering Geologist and I've never had too much problem with the notion of moving even very large pieces of dense, competent, unweathered rock. Give me a few thousand, or tens of thousands, of willing (or as was more likely, unwilling, but without a lot of choice) people, and I could get it done. All you need is a bunch of decent cordage, which they had, and lots of good, solid trunks. It wouldn't be fast, but I guarantee you they'd move. They also knew how to cut stone to size using a variety of tools including abrasives, impact tools, wedges and expansion methods e.g. dry>wet, freezing, and clay mineral expansion. The latter two can generate several thousand psi of expansive pressure with no problem.


I meant to mention in my first post that these people had some quite sophisticated tech, it just wasn't based on (primarily) materials/electronics, like ours. All I meant to say was they were just as f-ing smart as people are today - they just used different stuff.


Btw, Trump is in big.... forget it. Badger.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/29/2018 05:58:29 pm

Yes! I thought everyone knew the Romans had concrete. I apply the "Geez, if I know it..." rule of thumb.

Of course the other rule of thumb is "If Chief Grondine knows it, it's wrong."

gdave
11/29/2018 01:09:04 pm

@Priceless Defender:

Unfortunately, there is a regular commenter on this site who frequently insults other posters with whom he disagrees. You're best off simply ignoring them.

An Anonymous Nerd has tried to constructively engage with you, but that got bogged down by confusion over who was replying to whom. I'll give it a try.

You've mentioned the Antikythera mechanism, and contended that it was built with mathematics not invented yet. Could you expand on that? I've never encountered this claim before, and I have no idea what mathematics were involved in the mechanism that aren't known to have been known to the Greeks at the time.

You've also repeatedly pointed to the temple complex at Baalbek. Could you expand on what, exactly, it is about the complex that leads you believe that the local inhabitants could not have, or did not, construct it? You've repeatedly mentioned that no one has "duplicated" it, but it's not clear to me what you mean by that. As An Anonymous Nerd has pointed out, a lot of ancient cultures cut, transported, and assembled heavy stone blocks. You seem to reject that as meeting your criteria. Are you looking for a literal duplication of that exact complex?

"You're not seeing the bigger picture, or asking the right questions."

Ok. What's the bigger picture? What are the right questions to ask?

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/29/2018 03:28:34 pm

"It made me realize, yesterday was the 27th anniversary of the State Football Championship my senior year. Won with a core group of guys who all met in junior high. A core group so close and competitive, we only lost two games in 5 years together. The only two games I did not play. Good memories to have come rushing back. Thank you. Only two of us ever discussed ancient mysteries. We had enough Street Smarts to know better."

State Championship.
27th anniversary.
Only lost 2 games.

That makes your story checkable son, and when checked it turns out to be a lie. Imagine our surprise.

I hate to go all Chief Grondine on you but being a lying little faggot is no way to go through life. Top marks in jock sniffing though.

You clearly have no idea of when the Sumerians were moving and grooving. You aspire to be a bullshit artist but you're fingerpainting in a Rembrandt world.

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Doc Rock
11/29/2018 04:37:25 pm

My liquid lunch went extra innings today, so I must claim extenuating circumstances in having trouble following this discussion. Is it being argued that the largest stones at Baalbek and Temple Mount were fashioned and put in place prior to recorded civilization in the area and no one since has been able to replicate the size and positioning of the stones although later societies built over and around them?

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American Cool "disco" dan
11/29/2018 06:08:52 pm

No. The point is that PRICELESS DEFENDER is a lying ass and should honorably make suicide.

Jockobadger
11/29/2018 09:01:48 pm

I admit to being confused on this, too. Is that the deal, Priceless? If so, Doc and I would appreciate it if you’d expand on it a bit.

Are these sort of “foundations” that everything else, across time, has been repeatedly built upon? So massive that they couldn’t be moved for other uses, as was often the case? Please advise.

Thanks! Badger

An Anonymous Nerd
11/29/2018 08:21:48 pm

[Regurgitating facts at me which, I already know proves nothing. ]

Actually facts are pretty important in proving stuff.

By contrast reveling in the athletic accomplishments of your youth is important to proving nothing, save that you recall your youth well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 12:23:09 am

Actually we do have machines that can deal with those stones so PRICELESS DEFENDER can SUCK IT. But that's nothing new.

https://fieldlens.com/blog/building-better/biggest-cranes/

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Jim
11/29/2018 09:56:10 pm

Anyone interested in Wolters interview by Jimmy Church:

https://jimmychurchradio.com/

Anything new starts at about the 1 hour 3 minute mark.
It is complete unmitigated bullshit. So bad it,s not even worth debunking.

Jesus dad Joseph was a tin merchant.

The Templars after finding secret maps and stuff in Jerusalem, went to Denmark to ask the king to let Amerita, (or whatever her name was) come with them to America to guide them to the secrets hidden in the Catskills. You see she was a native American woman living in Denmark. (in the12th century I believe he claimed)
So at the Kings request a Templar Knight married Amerita and off they went to America.

Muir's sheepskin map was authored by Zeno (ah gee, to bad she threw it away)

There you go, those are the most believable parts.


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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/29/2018 11:40:40 pm

Wolter, who is at best a dim-witted mental patient and at worst, well, Wolter, has eased up on what he will allow to be posted on his site, easily findable through the google machine. A lot of people are going after him hammer and tong so get in there while the getting's good or just enjoy the spectacle.

You can read about our resident fake here:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=bjhqrgn582921cnoa43re0upr0&topic=4651.45

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Priceless Defender
12/1/2018 01:41:10 pm

I would first like to apologize to the owner of this blog, and ALL of the respectable commentors for inadvertently sidetracking this thread. This was in no way, shape, or form my intention. Until, if, and when Mr. Colavito brings up the topic, I will expound further. For now, I'll leave it with part of what "Doc" told me. "Kid, those stones are archaic". When living, Doc was a semi-retired archaeologist with a PhD.

Yes. A couple of you are close.




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