Micah Hanks, H. P. Lovecraft Accused of (Separate) Efforts to Suppress Truth about Giants, Theosophy8/11/2014 Today I have two topics to discuss. The first is rather amusing in its way. You’ll remember Micah Hanks, the researcher into “giants” who published some criticism of me just about one year ago in which he took exception to my evaluation of claims for a Smithsonian conspiracy to suppress the existence of giants, not because there was any conspiracy but because giants are real. Anyway, a year later Hanks returned to Coast to Coast AM to discuss giants, and he was surprised that listeners accused him of being part of the conspiracy to suppress the truth about a lost race of Bible giants when he declined to endorse the most wide-ranging conspiracies: Some have even tried to assert that I’m working to aid in a “scam of disinformation,” as one listener put it in an email, while others still have reported that I’ve intentionally overlooked discussion of skeletons that exceed nine feet in height, perhaps as part of some personal agenda I’m withholding from the public. Hanks found himself in the position of defending the claim that humans between six and half and nine feet tall once existed in “numbers greater than today,” but not as a separate race, while denying that there was a genetically separate race of giants, or humans over nine feet tall. This is very similar to Dr. Greg Little’s claim that the “giants” were between six foot six and roughly eight foot six, though he prefers to see them as a separate race. I wonder what’s behind the move to downgrade the giants. For Hanks, it is plausibility: “Sadly, in my opinion many Americans are riddled with a variety of pathological thinking that caters to learning what we want to hear, rather than what the facts entail… and this leads to conspiracy theories.” But why should we necessarily trust an account from 1874, and not this one from Giovanni Boccaccio from 1374? “…those who can determine the total height of a man from the size of even the smallest of his bones calculated from this remnant that his size was two hundred cubits or more” (Genealogia deorum gentilium 4.68, my trans.). There were witnesses, after all. You don’t believe in a 300-foot giant? Absent the bones in both cases, what makes one old record claiming abnormal height more believable than another except for your trust in people making the record, trust that other errors and problems with Victorian science may not bear out? Hanks believes that newspapers are untrustworthy, but earlier Smithsonian records are. Hanks discusses how believers in the giant skeletons are wrong to use old newspaper accounts, but that evidence exists in the form of “actual records for large skeletons in the Smithsonian archives that corresponded with newspaper reports.” The trouble is that those records from the late 1800s may or may not correspond to actual bones as we might measure them today. The people who collected them and wrote the records were, by and large, not professional anthropologists and often enough not formally trained in science or medicine, and we have no idea how they measured the overall height of a disarticulated skeleton. Accession labels often reflect whatever was given in the field report, whether or not it corresponded to reality. And when these records are corrected—as in the case of the famous Arkansas stone coffins that were relabeled (correctly) as wooden troughs—fringe writers cry conspiracy, as David Childress did when Frederick Pohl found that the stone coffins had been wrongly labeled. A Cthulhu Conspiracy On another topic,Christopher Loring Knowles, author of Our Gods Wear Spandex: The Secret History of Comic Book Heroes (2007), wrote a piece on the origins of the Cthulhu Mythos that made two unusual claims and then used them to “shovel dirt on” what Knowles wrongly sees as (apparently) my claim that Lovecraft invented ancient astronauts. He didn’t invent them; he popularized them and gave shape to a nebula of half-formed earlier claims from Theosophy to Garrett P. Serviss to Charles Fort. He was instrumental, though, in creating the specific version of the ancient astronaut theory, as developed by Pauwels and Bergier and their copyists. Knowles’s Spandex attempted to make the case that superheroes emerged from a combination of ancient mythology and Theosophy during the pulp era. He therefore has an interest in promoting the primacy of Theosophy, as we shall see. The first claim is that Lovecraft derived much of the plot and color for “The Call of Cthulhu” (1926) from Jack London’s “The Red One,” an early ancient astronaut story that ran in Cosmopolitan magazine in October 1918. I discussed this claim briefly last year when I added “The Red One” to my Library. The long and short of it is that Lovecraft certainly did read stories by Jack London, but there is no specific evidence that he read this one, though it is likely he did. How much he took from it, though, is debatable since the “unique” elements Knowles points to—the island setting, the strange carvings, etc.—were already present in Lovecraft’s story “Dagon,” written in 1917 (but not published until 1919) and widely acknowledged to be a dry run for “Cthulhu,” and the concept of cosmic beings coming to earth and leaving tribespeople in awe was already the subject of J.-H. Rosny aine’s “The Xipéhuz.” The second claim is less secure. Knowles claims that Lovecraft was more deeply familiar with Theosophy than the evidence warrants. Knowles asserts similarities to the work of Alice Bailey, the Theosophist who claimed that aliens from Sirius had induced the evolution of humans from the apes. Lovecraft himself was quite clear that he had very little direct knowledge of Theosophy beyond what he read in W. Scott-Elliot’s omnibus edition of The Story of Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria (1925), which contained all of the alien intervention claims one would need to generate the Cthulhu Mythos. It is the reason he referenced Theosophy seven times in “Cthulhu.” He read the book in early 1926, just before writing “Cthulhu,” which is fairly strong evidence of influence. Scott-Elliott, for example, had written of “Beings who came from the Venus system as rulers and teachers,” who brought wheat to the earth, ruled over its people as gods, and raised cyclopean cities and statues to their own honor in the most ancient of days. He wrote of how the alien races could transfer their consciousness to earthlings—a theme Lovecraft recycled frequently! Sound familiar? Lovecraft did not hide this borrowing. Anyway, Lovecraft made quite clear that he had little other direct knowledge beyond what his correspondent E. Hoffman Price provided to him long after writing “Cthulhu,” as he admits in a letter of February 18, 1933 to Clark Ashton Smith: Price has dug up another cycle of actual folklore involving an allegedly primordial thing called The Book of Dzyan, which is supposed to contain all sorts of secrets of the Elder World before the sinking of Kusha (Atlantis) and Shalmali (Lemuria). It is kept at the Holy City of Shamballah, and is regarded as the oldest book in the world—its language being Senzar (ancestor of Sanscrit), which was brought to earth 18,000,000 years ago by the Lords of Venus. I don’t know where E. Hoffmann got hold of this stuff, but it sounds damn good… Now we have a problem. Lovecraft claims in 1933 not to have known about Theosophy and its myths, yet he wrote “Cthulhu” in 1926. Thus he could not have explicitly based “Cthulhu” on Alice Bailey’s work, except for the parts that filtered to him (largely unknowingly) through Scott-Elliot. Only later did he learn more from Price. That later influence is especially strong in Price’s contributions to the joint collaboration “Through the Gates of the Silver Key,” which is markedly more Theosophical than “Cthulhu,” describing chains of beings and other supernatural claptrap familiar from Theosophy. (Price’s role vis-à-vis Theosophy can be seen by comparing the published story to Price’s original draft, later published as “The Lord of Illusion.” The Theosophical material is all his.) So how does Knowles deal with the chronological trouble? I would suggest that it's highly probable Lovecraft had access to this literature and it's possible he was keeping it secret from his circle of correspondents (or at least some of them), most likely to safeguard a source for material. Yes, it’s a conspiracy. The man who wouldn’t shut up about every possible source for weird fiction supposedly conspired to keep his vast knowledge of Theosophy secret—from his correspondents, like Price, who already knew of it! Knowles goes on to cite Lovecraft’s professed excitement at discovering Theosophical material (secondhand) in 1933 as evidence that he somehow used it in 1926. Knowles even has the gumption to suggest that elements of Theosophy that appear in Besant but not Lovecraft or Scott-Elliot were purposely rejected by Lovecraft! Parsimony would suggest he borrowed instead directly from Scott-Elliot. Amazing. Lovecraft must have been confident his audience—young, male, nerdy—would never go near Theosophist literature, which was written for a largely older, mostly female audience. How else can you explain such brazen appropriation? Well, it’s fiction for one thing, and fiction makes use of all sorts of influences to tell stories. (The plagiarism allegations against True Detective from taking influence from the non-fiction philosophy of Thomas Ligotti are ridiculous for similar reasons.)
But what takes the cake is that Knowles cites Robert M. Price’s article on Lovecraft and Theosophy which refutes Knowles’s own thesis with much of the evidence I just presented above! Nevertheless, all of this, Knowles says, proves that Lovecraft borrowed the idea of ancient astronauts from Besant and thus did not, as he (without mentioning me by name) claims I say, invent ancient astronauts. (He cites Twelfth Planet as a favorite book and seems to have an interest in establishing a nonfiction basis for ancient astronauts.) But I don’t believe Lovecraft invented the concept. Even in my Cult of Alien Gods (2005), written long before I knew half as much as I do today, I specified that he derived the concept from the ancient astronauts of Charles Fort and Theosophy. What Lovecraft did was to give them a scientific-materialist (rather than spiritual-occult) cast and package them in a way that allowed them to transmit Theosophy’s claims to other artists, writers, thinkers, and hucksters. This is how the ancient astronaut theory ended up in Morning of the Magicians (1960), in which Pauwels and Bergier cite Lovecraft explicitly. That’s why, for example, Lovecraft is more important to understanding ancient astronauts than Jack London or J.-H. Rosny aine. They didn’t inspire a nonfiction bestseller about ancient aliens. But if you are going to try to make an argument about Theosophy and Lovecraft, having your facts straight should be a prerequisite to rewriting a half century or more of Lovecraft scholarship based on a hunch and a gut feeling.
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8/11/2014 08:18:06 am
i do feel that FDR did his darn*dest in the Oval Office to bring
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8/11/2014 08:27:34 am
"That’s why, for example, Lovecraft is more important to understanding ancient astronauts than Jack London or
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EP
8/11/2014 08:46:19 am
Jason, I'm surprised you didn't point out (what I'm sure you're aware of) that Knowles's claim that
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Gregor
8/11/2014 09:48:10 am
Obviously those statements *have* to be true, else Knowles' whole argument would fall apart!
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spookyparadigm
8/11/2014 09:57:23 am
To be fair, Theosophy did have a lot more followers/activists who were women in it, and that seems to have been part of its appeal. What the actual full demographics of those who followed it were, would be fascinating to know.
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EP
8/11/2014 10:33:35 am
"To be fair, Theosophy did have a lot more followers/activists who were women in it, and that seems to have been part of its appeal."
spookyparadigm
8/11/2014 10:02:25 am
Now, as for Hanks, I'd give him a bit of a break. Yes, there is a logical inconsistency. But he's modifying his ideas to fit the evidence better and being more cautious than he was. That's good.
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spookyparadigm
8/11/2014 10:04:08 am
Oh, and as anyone who has watched or participated in conspiracy culture will tell you, being accused of being part of the conspiracy is a guarantee unless you go along with the most batshit out there theories.
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Gregor
8/11/2014 10:10:01 am
You either die a Zecharia Sitchin, or live long enough to see yousrelf become Bob Lazar.
EP
8/11/2014 12:16:30 pm
"For what it's worth, I appreciate your posts."
Christopher Knowles
8/11/2014 10:25:22 am
"The second claim is less secure. Knowles claims that Lovecraft was more deeply familiar with Theosophy than the evidence warrants. Knowles asserts similarities to the work of Annie Besant, the Theosophist who claimed that aliens from Sirius had induced the evolution of humans from the apes"
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8/11/2014 10:59:19 am
This has to be some kind of record for a response... How often do you Google your own name?
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8/11/2014 11:05:43 am
I knew there was a reason I mixed up the names! "Besant" was too close to "Bassett," the character from "The Red One." I got the name stuck in my head... Sheesh!
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8/11/2014 11:20:21 am
Jason, your Id is wondrously Freudian!
EP
8/11/2014 11:24:22 am
"I took screenshots and printed a PDF, Jason"
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8/11/2014 11:43:46 am
i went into the wiki about J.London's story and encountered
Christopher Knowles
8/11/2014 11:53:57 am
Well, there's *my* mistake- it was one of your friends on SF Signal. Either way, until you've actually read Bailey, you really can't debate this issue. And arguing that HPL was unfamiliar with Theosophy- well, I don't even know where to start. But I appreciate your adversarial piece here- it definitely clarified my position. Cheers. 8/11/2014 12:13:57 pm
SF Signal? I wasn't aware I had friends there. Or that it existed, actually. Who said I hadn't read Bailey? I've read most of the major Theosophists, and edited an anthology of Theosophical writings on ancient astronauts--all of which pre-dated Bailey's version. Again, Blavatsky in Secret Doctrine 2: Anthropogenesis at Dzyan 9.43-46 gives nearly all the material about the Old Ones you attribute to Bailey, which was later recycled and expanded by Scott-Elliot in "Lost Lemuria." So, yes, I can quote chapter and verse. 8/11/2014 11:10:29 am
I should also add that Bailey's Dzyan stanzas simply expand on Blavatsky's. You'd have a better argument for the Dzyan stanzas in Secret Doctrine Anthropogenesis at 9.43-46, which essentially tell the story of the Old Ones, including the incorporeal beings, stone images, and sunken islands. But Scott-Elliot knew that when he included the same material in "Lost Lemuria." It's not unique to Bailey.
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Christopher Knowles
8/11/2014 01:00:58 pm
If you read that Lovecraft quote carefully, you'll see it perfectly proves my point. Thanks again.
EP
8/11/2014 01:06:06 pm
Yeah, but does it COSMICALLY prove it?!
Gregor
8/11/2014 01:21:50 pm
@Jason
EP
8/11/2014 01:28:33 pm
Also, and especially before Google, everyone must have relied on primary sources. Otherwise, I can make no sense of the claim: 8/11/2014 01:44:16 pm
Say what? Does he know how many Theosophy magazines, newspapers, and even skeptics' books reprinted the Stanzas? I've come across dozens myself. None of this changes the fact that even if Lovecraft did read Bailey, we are talking about him discovering this in 1933, seven years AFTER he wrote "Cthulhu"! 8/11/2014 01:45:50 pm
And maybe the part where Lovecraft says "I don't know where" Price got his material would be relevant in this discussion.
EP
8/11/2014 01:48:52 pm
Jason, this is a man who says things like: "My work needs the tools of academic publishing- footnotes, bibliographies, indices, appendices- otherwise it's too easy for skeptics to dismiss out of hand." Shhhh... I don't think he knows how do conduct reasearch.
EP
8/11/2014 11:22:25 am
"Amateur gadfly/debunker Jason Colavito is on the case!"
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Gregor
8/11/2014 11:33:12 am
Easy there, EP... this guy cited Wikipedia *and* is "cosmically certain" of his own intellectual ascendancy, how could one prevail?! As Ancient Aliens has shown, circumstantial arguments flooded with qualifying terms like "might", "could", and "possibly" are virtually impenetrable!
EP
8/11/2014 11:39:29 am
Apparently any otherworldly fantasy is Ancient Astronaut theory... Holy shit, Knowles is an Ancient Astronaut meta-theorist! 8/11/2014 11:51:32 am
If I'm an amateur, what does that make him? Is there life experience credit in ancient astronautics for being an artist and writing an X-Files tie in?
EP
8/11/2014 12:00:39 pm
@ Jason
EP
8/11/2014 12:01:15 pm
Durrrr! It was the comment right above yours! :)
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8/11/2014 10:25:56 am
there are days when i contrast the Mars of Ray Bradbury
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8/11/2014 10:38:16 am
Simon Newcomb was one of the brainier Newtonians of the
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8/11/2014 11:05:32 am
Harry Houdini went on a crusade to expose the major con
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EP
8/11/2014 11:37:19 am
Christopher Knowles, ladies and gentlemen:
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8/11/2014 11:48:47 am
Wow, I frankly expected Knowles to be a bit more professional than this considering that he wrote a book on Theosophy and comic books. Notice that he ran to his blog to carp about me rather than deal with the problem that Lovecraft explained his sources and "Lost Lemuria" contains all of the Theosophical material found in "Cthulhu."
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Gregor
8/11/2014 11:54:16 am
@Jason
EP
8/11/2014 11:58:27 am
Take a screenshot, man. It's what all the cool kids do.
lurkster
8/11/2014 01:35:39 pm
Poor guy. Apparently, his cosmic certainty was threatened.
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8/11/2014 11:51:50 am
john maynard keynes's essay on Newton's accurate alchemy
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EP
8/11/2014 11:57:51 am
"Lovecraft makes a point- exactly as we see in Initiation- that astrology determines the success of their travels. Remember now that Lovecraft claimed not to believe in any of that claptrap. Why would he include that detail? Because he was following someone else's script."
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EP
8/11/2014 12:11:37 pm
OK, I feel better now:
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Gregor
8/11/2014 12:15:40 pm
I think you crossed the line with #3 - when you're "cosmically certain", you don't need evidence!
EP
8/11/2014 12:25:51 pm
Christopher Knowles self-identifies as a Symbologist, everybody. He is literally living in a Dan Brown novel.
Gregor
8/11/2014 12:27:58 pm
Wait... doesn't "Knowles' Rule" #3 invalidate the reasoning in his own HP Lovecraft "work in blog-ress"?
EP
8/11/2014 12:32:38 pm
Also (1) is borderline ungrammatical and (2) is subject to a truckload of famous counterexamples.
UFOs ARE HERE...
8/12/2014 09:22:44 am
HIS RULE TWO ASSUMES POOR WHITLEY STRIEBER IS
EP
8/11/2014 01:10:30 pm
Christopher Knowles's blog is a gift that keeps on giving.
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8/11/2014 01:43:08 pm
...by Constantine in 333 A.D
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Gregor
8/11/2014 02:02:45 pm
A neat bit of verse. For what it's worth, the "Empire in the East" / Eastern Roman Empire / Byzantine Empire remained cohesive until the 15th century... roughly a millennium after the demise of the more classically famous "Western" half.
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8/11/2014 02:17:11 pm
literally a very large cannon + cannonballs in tandem with an
Screaming Eagle
8/11/2014 01:55:38 pm
Wow. You all had me lost with the HPL and Theosophy references, but that last quote I can get in to. Did someone really say that?
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EP
8/11/2014 02:00:08 pm
I know, right? Reading his blog is like reading the high school essays of Erich von Daniken and Sylvia Browne's illegitimate love child.
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8/11/2014 01:46:29 pm
insert one of the three choices below
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Screaming Eagle
8/11/2014 02:07:08 pm
@EP
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EP
8/11/2014 02:10:43 pm
@ Screaming Eagle
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8/12/2014 03:11:30 pm
my corrective answer to my own trick question
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Gregor
8/11/2014 02:13:04 pm
@Jason
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EP
8/11/2014 02:18:55 pm
"it doesn't sound- contra Colavaito- that he's referring to a jumble of clippings from Theosophical newspapers"
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Screaming Eagle
8/11/2014 02:23:42 pm
Still confused but thoroughly entertained. Great thread indeed!
EP
8/11/2014 02:26:02 pm
@ Christopher Knowles
Gregor
8/11/2014 02:38:38 pm
I think EP means "@Screaming Eagle" above.
EP
8/11/2014 02:41:53 pm
No, I mean Christopher Knowles, since I wish to say onto him "Fuckken owned!" :) 8/11/2014 02:23:02 pm
I'm getting increasingly confused. Does Knowles not want to deal with what was in "The Lost Lemuria," Lovecraft's actual and acknowledged Theosophical source?
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EP
8/11/2014 02:24:14 pm
No, he literally doesn't.
Screaming Eagle
8/11/2014 02:29:42 pm
I think he does but in his own way. It appears he may be a "Theoretical Theosophist".
Gregor
8/11/2014 02:32:01 pm
@Jason 8/11/2014 02:23:55 pm
And why is he posting his half of the conversation as blog updates on his blog without referencing them here? It's hard to keep track of who is saying what when.
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EP
8/11/2014 02:27:14 pm
Call me simple-minded, but after
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8/11/2014 02:29:26 pm
i'm agreeing with Knowles. inside Iraq there is a religious
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8/11/2014 02:33:58 pm
technically B.H. Obama walks into the war between
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8/12/2014 04:56:46 pm
ISIS = wise goddess
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EP
8/11/2014 02:43:06 pm
Anyone keeping track of all the ninja edits to Knowles's blog post? It's pretty hilarious. He's not replying here because he is too busy correcting some of his more obvious howlers as they are being pointed out in real time.
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Gregor
8/11/2014 02:45:35 pm
@EP
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EP
8/11/2014 02:48:17 pm
The reference to Lovecraft's professionalism and Jason's implied unprofessionalism is gone. Told you to take a screenshot! :)
Gregor
8/11/2014 02:50:03 pm
@EP
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8/11/2014 02:52:13 pm
be nice to him. we know those texts found in 1947 were
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Christopher Knowles
8/11/2014 02:56:05 pm
I'm not correcting anything- I said from the beginning this was a work in progress and I've been updating constantly since I first posted. Jason's comments have only served to bolster my convictions as to my thesis. I have zero interest in convincing anyone here of anything- you're not my audience and judging from the traffic coming in from here there doesn't seem to be very many of you. I'm getting thousands of visitors on this article and I can only thank Jason for helping me prove my point.
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EP
8/11/2014 02:58:54 pm
Tell us more about The Great Work, pretty please?
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Gregor
8/11/2014 03:02:41 pm
He's got too much to do already with "bolstering" his "convictions", which is in no way similar to editing his previously "cosmically certain" diatribe. He's a very busy man! Too busy to come here and answer direct criticisms... though he has time to stop by on occasion and wax conspiratorially about his struggle and the inevitable right-ness of his thoughts. Besides, what's a few infantile pot-shots between friends... right?
Screaming Eagle
8/11/2014 03:02:33 pm
Very good sir. Please continue to refrain from corrections, your posts are pristine as is. Many of the readers here do not post unless specifically moved by a thread. There is much written by the host to explore.
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EP
8/11/2014 03:08:23 pm
Remember everyone, we are dealing with a man who can say
EP
8/11/2014 03:03:35 pm
"I have zero interest in convincing anyone here of anything"
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Gregor
8/11/2014 03:04:47 pm
>> semi-educated hipster
EP
8/11/2014 03:09:09 pm
I'll have you know I was into Gnosticism *before* it was cool!
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8/11/2014 03:11:08 pm
the only other varmints are quasi-semi-educated as in
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8/11/2014 03:16:00 pm
EP --- in the tyme before Constantine, at about 150 A.D
spookyparadigm
8/11/2014 04:58:18 pm
Hey, it worked for Peter Lavenda/Simon.
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EP
8/11/2014 05:14:02 pm
Sad thing is, one of Knowles's cheerleaders holds an endowed chair at Rice...
EP
8/11/2014 03:31:01 pm
The writing is getting sloppy (suggesting anger or frustration):
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Gregor
8/11/2014 03:36:00 pm
That comment (about what he has to "prove") has been in at least the last few versions (read: last few hours) of that post.
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EP
8/11/2014 03:44:57 pm
Christopher Knowles is a sensible and balanced individual:
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Gregor
8/11/2014 03:53:53 pm
I'm waiting for Jason to break out the "Culture of Conspiracy" checklist...
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EP
8/11/2014 04:02:58 pm
I keep wanting to adapt this for the humanities, but always forget:
Gregor
8/11/2014 04:10:24 pm
"50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions. "
EP
8/11/2014 04:51:51 pm
Freemasons? Check:
Gregor
8/11/2014 05:00:24 pm
>>subcultures as diverse as Santeria, Freemasonry and Mardi Gras
EP
8/11/2014 05:03:21 pm
You just don't get it, man! Synchronicity! Archetypes! Argh... I don't have to prove anything to you! Put your knife away!
Gregor
8/11/2014 05:07:18 pm
It's in the books, man! I'm not editing, I already said this was a work in blogress!!! YOU AREN'T MY AUDIENCE ANYWAYS! I'M TAKING MY CRACKPOT THEORIES AND GOING HOME!!
EP
8/11/2014 06:01:14 pm
"If Star Trek is indeed inextricably linked to the human potential movement and a bizarre flying saucer cult, why is that so? What is the purpose of programming these strange themes into what is one of the most successful sci-fi franchises of our time? For all its nods to political correctness over the years, Star Trek is about one thing and one thing only: the militarization of space."
Gregor
8/11/2014 06:05:58 pm
>>Star Trek is about one thing and one thing only: the militarization of space.
EP
8/11/2014 06:37:52 pm
Yeah, like, what does he think it is? Mass Effect? :P
Gregor
8/11/2014 06:53:14 pm
Y-you don't know what I was thinking!
EP
8/11/2014 06:57:09 pm
Ever wonder what Tali's Admiralty places her in charge of?
Gregor
8/11/2014 07:12:52 pm
I must admit, I always thought they had an awfully high number of Admirals for the number of vessels at their command. Who knows - maybe it was to keep the ratio of Admirals-to-Captains relatively low.
Clint Knapp
8/11/2014 06:18:14 pm
I sat down tonight expecting a grand drama when I saw over 90 comments. I was not disappointed.
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EP
8/11/2014 06:23:22 pm
More importantly, this thread is now a relatively permanent public record of my new favorite Symbologist's blogress (more like bogress, am I right?).
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Clint Knapp
8/11/2014 06:40:49 pm
Honestly, I hope he does- if only to limit the number of people who become regular visitors to Knowles's site and thus give him the inflated perception of his relevance through web traffic. There's no critiquing magical thinkers who can't even remember whether they had a conversation with the right person or not.
Gregor
8/11/2014 06:46:45 pm
Another "favorite" of mine:
EP
8/11/2014 06:55:19 pm
"The arrogance and laziness is truly verging on the incomprehensible."
Clint Knapp
8/11/2014 06:27:21 pm
Oh, and in case there was any question, Mr. Knowles: One of those "thousands of visitors" was me, and I certainly only donated that hit to you so I could see what all the fuss was about. Kindly put that one in the "From Jason Colavito" column when you next decide to compare web-traffic penises.
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EP
8/11/2014 06:29:55 pm
(Sorry Klint, I don't mean that what I have to say is more important than what you have to say. I mean that the public record is more important than who's more willing to examine him.)
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EP
8/11/2014 06:31:31 pm
I mean, Clint... I fail...
Clint Knapp
8/11/2014 06:47:15 pm
No worries, EP. Never considered it a slight in the first place.
Gregor
8/11/2014 06:42:38 pm
+1
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EP
8/11/2014 06:51:37 pm
So what's the over/under on there being AA-style Neo-Nazi-related shenanigans involving Mr. Knowles?
Gregor
8/11/2014 07:02:18 pm
The over/under? Pft, given your penchant for managing to dig up every last thing under the sun, I side with Joshua (supercomputer) from WarGames:
EP
8/11/2014 07:05:15 pm
That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me since that unfortunate called me "a little lap-dog for conventional physics" over in that other thread!
Gregor
8/12/2014 05:53:10 am
... I finally found the comments you were referring to - OMG, how did I miss all that?!?!?!
666
8/11/2014 10:10:53 pm
The real truth lies in the Bible
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Only Me
8/11/2014 10:21:04 pm
Claire Hardaker explores the psychological motivations of trolls in her Ph.D. thesis Trolling in Asynchronous Computer-Mediated Communication. She concludes that "trolls intention(s) is/are to cause disruption and/or to trigger or exacerbate conflict for the purposes of their own amusement."
666
8/12/2014 01:56:07 am
Now compile a list of sceptics who take the Bible seriously
666
8/12/2014 01:58:02 am
Perhaps James Randi and Joe Nickell were trolls
666
8/12/2014 02:20:43 am
Bertrand Russell
Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 02:20:52 am
Shenanigan.
Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 02:33:15 am
Further, let us observe the fact this thread was not about the Bible at all (or your hatred of people who adhere to it). Rather, it was a discussion of the conflation of the definitions of web-traffic and comment posting.
Only Me
8/12/2014 02:05:12 pm
@666
EP
8/12/2014 02:12:17 pm
@ Only Me
.
8/12/2014 02:58:44 pm
Don't Y'all think you are being sorta rough on TripleSix
EP
8/12/2014 03:02:31 pm
Could you be more into being intelligent about your posting instead?
.
8/12/2014 03:18:45 pm
you're right, i'm trying to "dumb myself down" as it is
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
8/12/2014 03:18:51 pm
Probably a lot of the people here are atheists. It's not atheism that's objectionable. It's the determination to denounce Christianity at nearly every opportunity, no matter how off-topic it may be. In the comments sections for some blog posts, 666 posts so often it amounts to spam. When it comes to Christianity, I'm an inveterate grumbler myself, but I don't spam my gripes randomly in online comments sections.
EP
8/12/2014 03:25:05 pm
"i am either MENSA or almost MENSA"
.
8/12/2014 04:06:12 pm
duckie, if i said i wuz an aspie and very special but
EP
8/12/2014 04:14:35 pm
I am already treating you like a retard. LOL if you think this is me being rude.
.
8/12/2014 04:26:08 pm
actually... EP --- lets again be 100% honest.
.
8/12/2014 04:30:41 pm
luv... by comparison to what we might be saying,
EP
8/12/2014 04:31:38 pm
"i actually tend to test rather well"
round one ---------- by "."
8/12/2014 04:36:58 pm
TITUS OATES LIED LIED LIED LIED...
.
8/12/2014 04:42:02 pm
please please please prove to me that Titus Oates was
Only Me
8/12/2014 05:50:29 pm
@ "."
.
8/12/2014 07:36:18 pm
i often do not accuse posters of "hydra-heading" 200 to 1000
EP
8/12/2014 06:49:02 am
Christopher Knowles thinks the Roman legionnaires were the first straight-edge kids and that the straight-edge X is Mithraic in origins.
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.
8/12/2014 07:50:53 am
i dare not ask Mr.TripleSix if he has read John Milton's 12 books
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Gregor --- i risk revealing my age by saying i remember well
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.
8/12/2014 07:19:44 am
my rewrite ---- like Hollywood circa 1930
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.
8/12/2014 07:45:00 am
today i wake up. i decide to look at the 2o14 remake
.
8/12/2014 08:02:23 am
the Empiricist that i am when functioning like a William James
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.
8/12/2014 08:04:18 am
this is now comment number 132
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spookyparadigm
8/12/2014 12:13:14 pm
Just read the X-Files review post over there. I'm far more disturbed that he has a hate-on (almost) for Jose Chung and Darin Morgan because he's a "skeptic." He's quite right that the episode brings the Keel magnificently. But it only works because it isn't up its own ass.
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EP
8/12/2014 12:38:49 pm
"It was about as subversive as US TV could get in the early 1990s."
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spookyparadigm
8/12/2014 06:33:14 pm
I didn't watch China Beach.
EP
8/12/2014 06:50:18 pm
I defer to you about 1990s TV. I am somewhat surprised you found Knowles's discussion sufficiently interesting to comment on. I mean, sure he occasionally says things that aren't obviously false... but is what he says about "Deep Throat" original? (I ask because I wouldn't know.)
spookyparadigm
8/13/2014 07:12:58 pm
Original? No.
.
8/14/2014 06:06:05 am
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/deep-throat-1973
.
8/14/2014 05:57:20 am
EP ---- upon reading "Deep Throat" in the sentence i at first
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.
8/14/2014 06:12:54 am
i admit the X-Files was not on my BatCave radar,,, it was on
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EP
8/14/2014 01:14:11 pm
@ spookyparadigm
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EP
8/15/2014 09:58:55 am
In case anyone still cares, Knowles keeps revising and updating the work-in-blogress.
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spookyparadigm
8/15/2014 04:21:16 pm
Not sure which is worse:
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EP
8/15/2014 04:30:35 pm
Definitely the former! As an archaeologist you must appreciate that occasionally there's great deal to be gained from going through literal garbage :)
EP
8/15/2014 06:50:11 pm
@ spookyparadigm
spookyparadigm
8/16/2014 01:55:51 am
I do, but at some point, there is a limit.
EP
8/16/2014 07:00:51 am
I agree that it's probably a lot more attention than he's worth, but I'm kinda curious which one Knowles is really...
spookyparadigm
8/16/2014 09:01:20 am
Definitely the latter. From the UFO set, he reminds me a lot of Greg Bishop of The Excluded Middle, with touches of Christopher O'Brien. But with more of that occult comic book sensibility thrown in (Moore, Morrison, etc.) but not as dedicated to detail. Contrast with Moore's excellent footnotes in From Hell, where he points out where he's deviating from the historical record for the fun of it, and where he isn't.
EP
8/16/2014 04:00:10 pm
I know it sounds like a juvenile and vicious ad hominem, but I can't help getting creepy, distinctly sexual vibes from Christopher O'Brien's obsession with cattle mutilations...
spookyparadigm
8/16/2014 05:30:37 pm
Greg Bishop wrote Project Beta, which is a history, informed by Richard Doty, of the Paul Bennewitz disinfo case that got Bill Moore so hated when he admitted to being a participant. Which therefore likely ties it all back to MJ-12 (I generally tend to think Moore was involved, and whatever Doty was up to a lot of it may have not been official).
.
8/15/2014 06:21:23 pm
EP --- admittedly Alice Bailey got her good sci-fi printed on
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.
8/15/2014 06:32:20 pm
you young guys who are 'sexist nerds" are probably
EP
8/16/2014 06:27:48 pm
@ spoookyparadigm
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spookyparadigm
8/17/2014 02:18:08 am
re: academia. That's why I separated deconstruction and postmodernism into two words. Intellectually, they're different. But at least from the perspective of anthropology and how the two spread there, they both arrived at roughly the same time, the first peeks in the 1970s, raging in at the cutting edge in the 1980s, and then surviving in varying strength largely based on the rhetorical or political power of various individual researchers and their bodies of students. I am not demeaning the approaches (they have value, as did what came before) but I normally think of these things less as ideas and more as practice within the community. And that's particularly so in this case as I see a parallel with the GenX ufologists.
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EP
8/17/2014 05:25:55 am
"I am not demeaning the approaches (they have value, as did what came before) but I normally think of these things less as ideas and more as practice within the community. And that's particularly so in this case as I see a parallel with the GenX ufologists."
spookyparadigm
8/17/2014 07:15:10 am
I see that last quote less as the calculated work of a charlatan and more the humblebrag or complaint of someone who thinks they have advanced _beyond_.
EP
8/17/2014 07:23:09 am
Perhaps. Like I said, his exact ratio of fraud, stupidity and delusion are a mystery to me. It doesn't sound like someone who thinks that it is "all entertainment". Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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