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Micah Hanks: The Hubris of Jason Colavito and Skeptics Over Giants Is "Worthy of Study"

10/27/2014

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The post has been corrected.

You’ll remember Micah Hanks, the self-described “Mouth of the South” who has pursued claims that giants once roamed the earth. He was at it again last week, and he complained about me while doing it! As part of an article for Mysterious Universe, Hanks cites a Russian report found only in the Spanish language edition of RT, the Russian government's propaganda channel. He gives a Google Translate version, which is somewhat rough. I have taken the liberty of translating the complete article manually:
Russian archaeologists found in the Krasnodar region (northern Caucasus) the skeletal remains of ancient “giants,” an employee of the Archaeological Society in the region, Vasili Matáyev, said, as quoted by the Interfax news agency.

According to Matáyev, the find is more than 4,000 years old. During the excavation of an ancient burial mound belonging to the Bronze Age, the skeletal remains of four people, two men and two women, were discovered.

According to the historian, the men were about two meters high (6.6 feet), and the women more than 1.7 meters (5.6 feet). Matáyev noted previously that in this place were found the bones of even taller humans.
Obviously, a height of 6.6 feet is not beyond the known heights of ancient people, and if the bones were really found in a Bronze Age burial, it is quite possible that (as elsewhere) people who achieved particular status in life due to their height were given special burial.

However, as Hanks notes, there is no indication that the story is true, nor does the archaeologist’s name return any results outside of Hanks’s article and Spanish language websites repeating the original RT piece. Since I do not speak Russian, I can’t speak to Cyrillic sources, which may have more information on Matáyev but would not show up in a Google search using Roman transliteration. No outside news organization or agency independently confirms the story, though as EP notes in the comments below, it was carried in Russian media.

The RT report, however, take a similar tabloid approach to earlier claims that Georgia and the Caucasus had been home to “giants.” None of these reports produced verifiable results, and when the Science Channel sent a self-described psychic time traveler to track down the bones, he found nothing. 

But that’s not really what I want to talk about here. Hanks took the opportunity afforded by this news report to engage in his continued campaign of bashing me for a blog post I wrote a year and a half ago and a more recent piece from August, which apparently still stick in his craw. Here Hanks avoids using my name, all the better to help prevent me from finding his piece, but the use of specific language (such as the word downgrade) and reference to specific claims from my blog posts makes the reference quite clear. Here’s what he said:
I have read at least one skeptical blog about past observations I’ve made on this subject, which interpreted these corroborations with Smithsonian data as my personal attempts to “downgrade giant skeleton stories” so they’ll seem more plausible, while offering evidence of height measurements which, despite being connected with a scientific organization, still don’t lend merit to the “giant” claims. To focus on the question over validity of the Smithsonian’s measurements is missing the point entirely. Again, the fact that some articles can be corroborated with the institute’s own data shows that skeptics who have dismissed all nineteenth and early twentieth-century newspaper reports is bad logic, as well as a fundamental lack of research on their part. […]

Hence, apparently there are some “Skeptics” who really only think they must be skeptical of other people’s skepticism which is doing nothing to advance our scientific knowledge. I would argue that hubris of this sort is actually worthy of study, to an extent, as it helps one understand the ideological framework we’re dealing with in terms of attempting to discern, at the end of the day, whether there is indeed any merit to the discussions about supposed giant skeletons.
Apparently I am a psychological case of such extreme obstinacy that I require special study! But we already knew that: Hanks’s fellow gigantologist Greg Little previously accused me of having “deep psychological issues” for attempting to verify claims about giant skeletons.

My crime is in asking “gigantologists” to define what they mean by giants. When you ask the average person what he or she thinks of when thinking of a “giant,” I doubt that your average NBA player comes to mind. In fact, the average NBA player is 6.6 feet high (6 feet 7 inches), the exact height of the alleged “giants” that form Hanks’s putative subject. Such heights are not unknown from ancient times: In 2012, the remains of a Roman man who stood 6 foot 8 were discovered—and somehow not suppressed! I have no doubt that some Native Americans achieved similar heights (whether due to gigantism or other genetic factors) and were thus given special burial, making their bones more likely to survive in burial mounds for the Victorians to dig them up. But are they really what we mean by “giants”?

Rather, the average person most likely takes giants to mean really, really tall people, on the order of Paul Bunyan or the giant from Jack and the Beanstalk. And the field of gigantology is riddled with these massive, titanic figures—whose heights Hanks says are “highly unlikely.”

Here’s one of the most problematic of cases: In the 1300s, the Italian humanist Giovanni Boccaccio reported on the discovery of the skeleton of a giant human found in a cave in Sicily. This skeleton, he said, fell apart on being touched, but the teeth, a leg bone, and the skull remained: “those who can determine the total height of a man from the size of even the smallest of his bones calculated from this remnant that his size was two hundred cubits or more” (Genealogia deorum gentilium 4.68, my trans.). Yes, the giant was 300 feet tall! These bones remained on display in Drepana for centuries, and Athanasius Kircher, the Jesuit polymath and scholar, viewed them in the 1600s. His conclusion was that Boccaccio’s report was off by a factor of ten. He gave the height of the “giant” as about 30 feet. Now, if we take these reports literally (and we shouldn’t—it was probably a fossil elephant skeleton), then we have a 30 foot tall giant!

Yet the more serious “gigantologists” don’t want to do that. They want to pick and choose which reports of giants to believe and which to dismiss based on (a) personal preference, (b) plausibility, and (c) a fetishized deference to Victorian science—since it’s mostly nineteenth century reports they cite. All I wanted to know is what system they are using to evaluate such claims, and that makes the gigantologists angry because they don’t have one.

So let’s use Hanks’s own categories of proof and find us another giant. First we need a Victorian. Let’s use Samuel Hubbard, an upstanding citizen and later a director of the Oakland Museum. Like many of his peers cited by Hanks, he was not a scientist by training (one Smithsonian agent was a prospector, for example) but had the same experience as those who conducted comparable Smithsonian expeditions with little formal training in anthropology. He found the remains of a “giant” in the Grand Canyon and reported in a reputable newspaper in 1896 that it was 18 to 20 feet tall! Shall we accept this claim?

I’d like to know the criteria for dismissing some giants but not others. Oh, right; Hanks doesn’t believe newspaper accounts are appropriate sources—though he’s happy to discuss them all the same. This leaves him with Smithsonian records, of which there are so few as to produce no generalizable data.

So what is the point of looking for 6-foot-something (or even 7-foot-something) skeletons that no one would deny belonged to actual ancient people who occasionally, like today, fell on one end of the height bell curve? And why aren’t there dwarfologists looking at the other end of the curve? We don’t see a prehistoric dwarfism research community forming around claims, for example, that 100,000 dwarf skeletons 3 feet tall were found in a field in Tennessee in 1876, though the claim is a staple of fringe history and anomaly research.

The answer seems to be that the Bible says giants existed and were a separate race. The Bible also talks of dwarves and little people (Leviticus 21:20; Luke 19:3), but it ascribes to them no world-historical role nor any distinctive race; therefore, they are irrelevant. The logic, if we can call it that, seems to be that for the Bible to be inerrant, then giants must exist to confirm Genesis 6:4; therefore, if giants can be shown to exist the Bible must be true and Jesus will come back to save us all. Strictly speaking, the existence of giants, if true, would prove nothing about the truth of the Bible (its other claims, logically, could still be false).

If you don’t come to the question of giants with a pre-conceived notion that there once existed separate and distinct tribes of giants, then you would look at the evidence for “giant” skeletons that fall within the observed range of human height (6.5-8.5 feet) for what they are: occasional genetic anomalies who lived among ancient cultures as integrated members of those cultures. It is only if your views are shaped by the Bible that you will try to force the lack of any archaeological evidence for a separate tribe of giants (where, for example, are their giant houses and oversized tools?) into a framework that turns individuals into members of a lost race of giants. Hanks, to his credit, attempts to have it both ways and denies that any lost race existed even while using giants as mystery fodder. For his efforts, Coast to Coast AM listeners accused him of being part of a conspiracy to hide the truth.

But for most gigantologists, it is essential that giants exist not just as occasional genetic anomalies but as a tribe apart, one which can conform to the Biblical (or Qur’anic) account of creation. Even when fringe researchers think they are simply examining giants objectively, they use frameworks derived from Biblical programs of research, and this twists their interpretations, regardless of what the facts might actually say. Such is the power of ideology to shape conclusions. 

18 Comments
CHV
10/27/2014 07:57:05 am

As there is ample evidence for humans who were very short (5 feet and under) why is it so hard to believe that there were other populations with generally tall (6.5 feet) peoples? Neither of them were tall or short due to any religious origins whatsoever.

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EP
10/27/2014 08:21:48 am

As I mention below, the archaeologist (Matayev) actually said that these "giants" aren't even exceptionally tall compared to some other finds in that area.

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Kal the Not Famous
10/27/2014 08:19:47 am

Either this other poster is talking about you, or some other bloggers, but it seems kind of weird they're so convinced you're some kind of detriment to their beliefs. You and who else? It seems pretty odd that they've become fixated on you perhaps just because when you google 'ancient aliens reviews', your name comes up near the top. That's the only logical explanation.

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EP
10/27/2014 08:19:57 am

Jason, I hope you don't mind me making several corrections to your discussion on the recent Russian story about giants.

According to Russian sources, Matayev actually goes out of his way to point out that the fact that some tall people have been found in these burials does not show that everyone in that society was that tall. Moreover, he said that even taller skeletons have previously been unearthed in that area! Overall, the story seems to be completely devoid of any pseudoarchaeological or pseudohistorical implications. They even put the word "giants" in scare quotes!

Apparently, the remains were found in the Middle Bronze Age stratum, and have been identified as members of the so-called Catacomb Culture.

"Since I do not speak Russian, I can’t speak to Cyrillic sources"

Minor point, but Cyrillic is not a language or a family of languages. It is a script. Presumably, you wouldn't be able to speak to Russian sources even if they were transliterated into Latin script.

"The RT report, however, seems part of the same propaganda campaign that began a few years ago when Russian television began claiming that Georgia and the Caucasus had been home to “giants.”"

I assure you that there is no such "propaganda campaign" going on. These reports, including the one on the Georgian giants, are typical boring tabloid journalism.

"Russia has some reason for wanting to perpetuate the myth of ancient giants there."

I do my best to follow Russian pseudoscience and politics, and I assure you that there is no reason whatsoever to think so. Indeed, Russian pseudohistorical propaganda centers mostly on revisionist claims about historical times. Trust me, they are not at all subtle about promoting the myths they wish to perpetuate.

Even when politicians get involved, as in a recent Yeti affair, the impact is local, not national.

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Jason Colavito link
10/27/2014 08:28:11 am

Thanks for the corrections, EP; I'll update the post above. I used Cyrillic to indicate that I couldn't Google the guy's name because Cyrillic languages don't show up in Google searches using Roman letters. I know Cyrillic is a script and not a language.

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EP
10/27/2014 08:34:58 am

Yes, I know that you know! :) It's just misleading, that's all.

Speaking of corrections, you suggest in a couple of places that the "only" source is the Spanish RT story, but that's not true. (Again, I know what you meant, but it's misleading.)

Also, you refer to RT as "the Russian propaganda channel", but it would be better to speak of "the Russian government's propaganda channel".

spookyparadigm
10/27/2014 08:37:57 am

"Hanks, to his credit, attempts to have it both ways and denies that any lost race existed even while using giants as mystery fodder."

To his credit? Interesting use of that word.

This strikes me as being related to the "I'm just asking questions" tack taken by more than a few conspiracy theorists who don't want to entirely own that label.

Also, I should point out there appears to be a growing "research" community on little people. Homo floresiensis is obviously a big part of this. It won't get the same traction as giants for the reasons you mention above (Giantology is a branch of Creationism, which still blows the doors off Forteana in dedicated audience), but it does exist.

Which means your next book gets to be about Machen instead of Lovecraft.

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EP
10/27/2014 08:50:29 am

Are there ANY books about Machen? Because I've never heard of one.

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10/27/2014 08:50:55 am

That phrase was a leftover from an earlier draft, but after I changed the wording it amused me so I left it. It's to his credit in that he's not a complete fringe propagandist.

Good think "Morning of the Magicians" was full of Machen's material, too! It will give me a good start!

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10/27/2014 01:17:12 pm

I dunno, most people's contact with Machen these days is "If you liked Lovecraft and Bierce, you'll LOVE Arthur Machen!" I actually think that Machen's writing is better than Lovecraft's, but he's sort of fallen through the cracks between Poe and Lovecraft.

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EP
10/27/2014 02:51:37 pm

Obscurity is often the undeserved fate of those whose lives aren't tragically hip, so Machen's obscurity is no surprise.

Nevertheless, Machen owns.

(And *of course* his writing is better than Lovecraft's! Whose writing *isn't* better than Lovecraft's?)

Shane Sullivan
10/28/2014 11:20:33 am

I've only read The Shining Pyramid, and while I'm not fond of Holmesian preternatural super-sleuthing, I liked the story.

Well, aside from the sentiment in the end that anyone who is touched by a dwarf deserves to die. =P

EP
10/28/2014 11:47:42 am

Read these and tell me Machen isn't fucking awesome! :D

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/machen/arthur/dog-and-duck/chapter18.html

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/machen/arthur/angels-of-mons/introduction.html

EP
10/27/2014 08:44:23 am

As an amusing aside, I should point out that at least one Russian source ran the story under the title that speaks of 10'-tall giants, even though they themselves quote Matayev as saying that they were 6'6''. But that's not all! They illustrate the story with this (totally not photoshopped!) picture of what looks like two men excavating a giant the size of an appartment building:

http://golosislama.com/uploads/images/thumbs/gi/2014/10/62f96dc0b09cbad68da69ab6aaad5293.jpg

The pic carries the stamp of a Russian UFO website.

Russian journalism, LOL

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Titus pullo
10/27/2014 01:02:03 pm

First question is where are the skeletons? I caught I think it the unexplained files that had an episode on giant fossils in Georgia but the anthropologist who des covered them died and the Brit who want looking couldn't find any evidence. Maybe that is what jason referred to.

As for variation, I come from southern and central italian background. Every cousin I have is six feet or under, most are five nine or ten. But found a picture of my grandmothers cousins from 1900 in Italy. Two brothers were Giants over six eight. And generations later my 17 year old son is six four. I'm five nine and my wife is five three and her side is short on both sexes. Normal variation

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/27/2014 02:25:03 pm

re: exceptionally tall people …

see: Monty Python Skit, "Archaeology Today"

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/27/2014 02:48:39 pm

It's not one of their masterpiece sketches, but it actually becomes funnier with this pseudoarchaeology as its backdrop!

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/28/2014 04:58:11 pm

"I'll get you for that, Eversley … !!!"




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