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Mormons Embrace "America Unearthed" While Scott Wolter Embraces NWO-Bilderberg Conspiracies

4/26/2014

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Way back at the beginning of the nineteenth century, Joseph Smith laid the foundations for Mormonism based on what he believed was the best historical theorizing of his day. To that end, he incorporated into his revised history of North America the myth of the Mound Builders and the widespread belief that the first Americans were a lost tribe of Israel. According to the Book of Mormon, which Smith claimed to have translated magically from unseen ancient texts buried in upstate New York, the pure Hebrews were killed off by their fallen brethren who had lapsed into idolatry and were cursed with red skin for their sin, becoming Native Americans (Alma 3:6-7; 4 Nephi 1:10; 2 Nephi 5, etc.).
Since the foundation of the Church of Latter-Day Saints, Mormon archaeologists and historians have tried mightily to harmonize the prehistory of the United States as given in the Book of Mormon with the facts on the ground, which have stubbornly refused to admit a continent-wide Hebraic civilization in the early centuries CE.

A Mormon group called the Foundation for Indigenous Research and Mormonism held a conference last month in which it explored evidence for the Mormon account of history, and lo and behold, guess what they held up as the first piece of hard evidence that Mormonism is right about the fate of the Lost Tribes? That’s right, the work of none other than Scott Wolter, which they seemingly did not actually understand:
Ancient Hebrew writing has now been authenticated seven times in North America. A stone recovered in 1889 during an official Smithsonian Institution archaeological dig in a Hopewell burial mound in Tennessee has just a few weeks ago been verified to have an ancient Hebrew inscription carved into its surface.  Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) and new 3D digital microscopy examination was performed by American Petrographic Services owner and forensic geologist Scott Wolter at the McClung Museum on the campus of the University of Tennessee. Their findings and conclusions are revolutionary.  This is the first, but not the only, artifact ever recovered and scientifically verified to have ancient Hebrew writing anywhere in the Americas, and it came from a Hopewell mound dating to Book of Mormon time frames! You will learn much more about these evidences for Hebrew written language at the conference!
FIRM was so excited about the America Unearthed episode that they updated their website to promote Wolter and his work, trumpeting how his “scientific findings are now validating the claims of the Book of Mormon.”

As you will of course recall from the episode of America Unearthed covering this topic (S02E10, “Lost Relics of the Bible”), Wolter did not verify that the Hebrew writing dated to the early centuries CE. Instead, his “scientific” findings (which are themselves disputable) were that the stone’s inscription had been carved sometime before the 1960s but after roughly the first centuries CE. This does not verify that the Paleo-Hebrew writing is pre-Columbian since the proposed dates also include the 1889 recovery date, when most archaeologists believe that artifact was hoaxed and planted. Nevertheless, the Mormon conference organizers took the Wolter’s employment of the trappings of science—“3D digital microscopy”!—and mistook it for science itself.

Other evidence presented at the conference is equally laughable. An attempt to sail from Saudi Arabia to America is taken for “verification” that such a voyage actually happened; claims going back to the sixteenth century that Native Americans had Hebraic practices are trotted out again as proof that they are really Lost Tribes.

But let’s take a moment to pause and consider this: Mormons are embracing America Unearthed as evidence that the Book of Mormon is real! How they will square this with Scott Wolter’s claims that Jesus was the reigning King of Judea and that he founded a dynasty protected by the Templars I cannot fathom. But I guess in the a la carte world of fringe history, you don’t have to deal with it, you just need to take the parts you agree with.

But here’s the kicker: Mormons now have their own knockoff America Unearthed called Nephite Explorer that launched in 2013 and features freelance Mormon journalist Ryan Fisher digging through American history to look for “evidence” that Mormon accounts of prehistory are true. It currently airs only on independent Salt Lake City TV station KJZZ, so I have never seen the show, which was featured alongside America Unearthed at the conference.

Like its H2 cable counterpart, Nephite Explorer has a conspiracy theory undergirding its claims, one directly related to the United States. Scott Wolter imagines America as the culmination of a Freemason-Templar-goddess worship cult’s plans to create the most powerful country ever, and the Mormons assert that a conspiracy run by God helped to establish America as God’s promised land, converting America’s leaders like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln to the belief that America was the new Israel and the fulfillment of prophecy. They even use the same evidence Templar-Freemason conspiracy theorists use, down to Washington’s first inaugural address and its references to the Promised Land.

Also like Scott Wolter, Nephite Explorer finds the collapse of Cahokia to be essential to understanding how Old World peoples are tied to American history. But while Wolter sees Cahokia as abandoned on Templar orders, Nephite Explorer asserts that it fell to the wars between the red-skinned and white-skinned peoples at the end of the Lost Tribes’ reign.

Here’s a fun fact: Nephite Explorer has a close relationship with Mormon diffusionist Wayne May. Wayne May is the owner of Ancient American magazine, which published Scott Wolter’s first reports “verifying” the Bat Creek Stone several years ago. Additionally, according to statements made by former Ancient American editor Frank Joseph, he, Wayne May, and Scott Wolter know one another better than Wolter sometimes pretends. Wolter often claims ignorance of the contents of Ancient American magazine, in which he publishes articles, and he has pointedly avoided discussing Frank Joseph, who has a controversial history with Neo-Nazis and child sex abuse but is nevertheless the originator of many claims Wolter investigates, particularly those related to Burrows Cave. Yet Joseph says that the three men drove home together from a 2011 Michigan conference on ancient American mysteries and had a great time discussing the presentations with one another. (May lives in Wisconsin and Wolter in Minnesota.) Obviously, this doesn’t prove anything but carpooling, but it goes to show that Wolter and Mormon archaeology have had a mutually supportive relationship for years despite their obvious differences.

This brings us to Scott Wolter’s latest radio appearance on something called The Rundown Live, a Milwaukee-based alternative and conspiracy-oriented talk radio program. He appeared on March 28, but the program was only uploaded to YouTube last night. In the show, Wolter bristles at being called a “pseudoscientist” by some unnamed “people.” As is now standard, Wolter declares his rogue’s gallery of anomalous artifacts “absolutely 100% genuine,” which he knows that even his own geological work cannot confirm. For example, even accepting his dating for the Newport Tower, it does not logically demonstrate that the Cistercians and Templars were in league with each other or had discovered America; that is an interpretation based on a faulty reading of history. Nevertheless, Wolter again reiterates his belief that mainstream historians are wedded to an invisible paradigm that forbids acknowledgement of Templar influence in America.

The most interesting thing to come out of the interview is that Wolter says that the archaeologists at Cahokia refused to allow the program to film there because they disliked his show. “Screw it!” Wolter said.
The people that are criticizing me, they’re doing what they can do. They’re going after me and they’re going after, um, my credentials, you know anything and everything except talking about the artifact(s) and the factual evidence. […] So why are we having these arguments, people attacking me, criticizing me? Let’s stop already, OK? 
This is an interesting criticism, which I imagine must be at least partially directed at me since I wrote a blog post more than a year ago about Wolter’s oft-repeated claim to have been awarded an honorary master’s degree, a post Wolter himself confirmed to be accurate. The trouble is that Wolter personalizes his investigations to the point where this “findings” become inseparable from Wolter himself, for his elaborate conspiracy theory is not “science” in any real sense; it does not follow logically, for example, that if the Kensington Rune Stone really does date to 1362 it is necessarily the work of elderly Templar survivors claiming the Mississippi watershed for the Holy Bloodline of Jesus. The rock just doesn’t say that, and no amount of geology is going to “prove” this to be the case because it is a product of Scott Wolter’s unique reading of (fringe) history. As such, to criticize this claim is, in his mind, to criticize Wolter himself because he doesn’t differentiate between what others perceive to be fact vs. interpretation and only personal vendettas and conspiracies can explain how anyone could disagree with him.

Once again, he returns to the “Manifest Destiny” well, oblivious to the idea that his own version of it—a more peaceable version whereby the white invaders simply merge through sexual conquest with the Natives, who then become successors to the Old World white invaders—is scarcely different than the Lost Tribes mythologies he condemns. He remains steadfastly ignorant that lost white race theories were official U.S. government policy in the Manifest Destiny years (see the 1830 State of the Union address of Andrew Jackson and the subsequent debate over the Indian Removal Act), not that Manifest Destiny was ever more than a slogan. In fact, the only early American official to have steadfastly opposed diffusionism due to a complete lack of evidence was Thomas Jefferson, and Wolter considers him part of the conspiracy to suppress the truth!

But, importantly, when I pointed to Wolter as an exemplar of conspiracy culture a few weeks ago, I didn’t know that he has decided to fully embrace conspiracy concepts that emerged in the late twentieth century from right wing extremism, including the New World Order, which he was more hesitant about on America Unearthed. Now, he’s explicit:
Do I think there’s a New World Order? Yes! Do I think there are secret societies that get together like the Bilderberg Group and make key decisions that dictate how things are going to go generally around the world? Of course!
BINGO! I’ve now checked off every single one of Michael Barkun’s markers of conspiracy culture except for UFOs. We have the Bilderberg Group! He’s a full-on conspiracy theorist! Wolter went on to say that the New World Order and secret societies like the Bilderberg Group are “holding us back” from a more glorious future—Millenarianism again!

But seriously: Holy crap! Scott Wolter is an out-and-out conspiracy theorist just two lizard-people away from being David Icke.


Wolter believes that the Bilderberg Group and the New World Order are afraid that accepting Wolter’s findings will cause the collapse of Christianity through the revelation of Mary Magdalene and Christ’s children. The Smithsonian, acting on behalf of the NWO and the Church, is purposely suppressing the truth. They don’t want real history to be known because “it’s going to expose them for the liars that they are,” he said, and undermine the power of the Catholic Church. (This in a country that discriminated against Catholics for two centuries.) He believes that the Native Americans are also hiding the truth about the Templar-Holy Bloodline involvement in American history (“You think they don’t know?”), though their motivations for this are less clear. It obviously is not financial.

So why are secret societies and the government suppressing the truth about Old World visits to America before Columbus?
The Templars are the problem. They’re the big problem. It all goes back to the Bloodline Families that goes back to the truth about Jesus and Mary Magdalene and their ancestor all the way back to Akhenaten and Nefertiti. […] You have to understand, the Catholic Church is a very powerful entity […] They don’t want the truth about what they’ve done over time to come out.
Uh-huh. Jesus was related to Akhenaten? So, the Gospel genealogies are lies since neither mentions Akhenaten? If so, how does Wolter know the “truth” about Jesus? I can’t listen to this anymore. He just burrows further and further down the rabbit hole, laying one crazy claim on top of the next. Come back when you have some sort of proof that Jesus really had children. Try that for starters.

Wolter goes on to say that, contrary to claims made for him, America Unearthed is intended to “bring to light” subjects not previously discussed and to present the truth about the past to the audience. He says he is “proud” of this work but that he is not “proving” things. He says that he tells the writers over and over not to use the word “proof” or “prove” because his cases aren’t conclusive. I’m not sure how this squares with his assertion minutes earlier that the objects he evaluated on the show are “100% genuine.”

Wolter then reverses course and again asserts that he has discovered the “truth” (but not proof?) and that people like me (whom he calls “clowns”) simply refuse to believe the revelation, like the Jews who denied Christ, because it is too shocking and too wonderful a gospel to contemplate, “so foreign to your mentality,” as he said. “After a while, can’t you just get with the program?” he asked, wondering why skeptics refuse to agree with him, though he concedes that he can understand their mindset and that believers should forgive them for they know not what they do. But, just like Christ, Wolter knows that he, too, is suffering to bring revelation to the masses and has his cross to bear: “They can call me all the names they want. I don’t give a shit, man. I played, I played football in college and minor leagues for four years.” He then asserts that opponents have physically and verbally assaulted him, driven mad by his quiet proclamation of truth. Verily, he speaks as does Jesus in John 18:23.

Oh, right: Persecution claims are another key indicator of conspiracy culture.

60 Comments
Dave Lewis
4/26/2014 07:28:42 am

News flash!

The papyrus fragment known as the Gospel of Jesus Wife has been shown to be a forgery.

You can read about it on Mark Goodacre's blog

http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/

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KIF
4/26/2014 07:52:01 am

Another News Flash !

The entire official New Testament is fake

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MPE
4/26/2014 09:32:28 am

As well as The Book of Mormon/Book of Abraham &The Quran

KIF
4/26/2014 09:42:44 am

Embellishments are necessary to create religions

El Snarko
4/26/2014 01:30:10 pm

That huge chip that you have on your shoulder must be very uncomfortable!

KIF
4/26/2014 01:55:06 pm

The phrase having a chip on one's shoulder refers to holding a grudge or grievance that readily provokes disputation.

KIF
4/26/2014 02:07:14 pm

New Testament scholarship of the 19th century was actually critical and put the Gospels to the critical test, concluding historical provenance was non-existent and that everything relied on faith. Today, in the 21st century we have got uncritical New Testament scholarship fawning to acceptance of material and arguments that have long been discredited. These jumped-up phoney experts' salaries are provided by the taxpayer. What a waste of money keeping them in affluence

Dave Lewis
4/26/2014 03:19:25 pm

There are numerous New Testament scholars (historians) who aren't believers. Bart Ehrmann and John Dominic Crossan come to mind.

Robert Clifton Robinson link
7/8/2014 09:42:25 am

No credible Biblical scholar today believes that Jesus was not a real person of history. The evidence for His existence is so overwhelming, that to deny Jesus lived in Galilee at the time depicted in the New Testament would place any writer in a classification of incompetency.[1]


[1] Robert E. Van Voorst Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence Eerdmans Publishing, 2000. ISBN 0-8028-4368-9 page 16 states: "biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted"
James D. G. Dunn "Paul's understanding of the death of Jesus" in Sacrifice and Redemption edited by S. W. Sykes (Dec 3, 2007) Cambridge University Press ISBN 052104460X pages 35-36 states that the theories of non-existence of Jesus are "a thoroughly dead thesis"
The Gospels and Jesus by Graham Stanton, 1989 ISBN 0192132415 Oxford University Press, page 145 states : "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed".

Jason Colavito link
4/26/2014 01:36:25 pm

That's a fascinating bit of detective work.

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KIF
4/26/2014 01:56:08 pm

Rather, Karen King ain't that good a scholar

CHV
4/26/2014 04:08:26 pm

Either way, Jason is correct in stating above that until Wolter produces any hard proof that Jesus had children (as opposed to a loose string of circumstances), his statements about a holy bloodline will continue to be dismissed as baseless.

This is something that Wolter seems incapable of grasping.

Gary
4/26/2014 03:04:41 pm

I have an ancient fragment that translates as: "...and Jesus said, 'Take my wife, ple...'"
Sadly, we may never know what ancient wisdom we have missed by not having the complete sentence.

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Dave Lewis
4/26/2014 03:15:28 pm

Good one!

Mark E.
4/26/2014 03:57:54 pm

That made my day.

Pat
4/27/2014 03:15:42 am

Outstanding! Thanks for the morning laugh!!

Dave Lewis
4/26/2014 07:37:27 am

Nephite Explorer is available on YouTube.

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KIF
4/26/2014 09:27:23 am

On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of Maria Valtorta's death on 12 October 2011, a petition has been started to ask the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith/Vatican to actively promote Valtorta's work

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Pacal
4/26/2014 08:56:36 am

"But while Wolter sees Cahokia as abandoned on Templar orders,..."

???! I must have missed that particular piece of fantasy.

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Mark E.
4/26/2014 09:52:19 am

It appears the Mississippi River may have played a part in it along with the Templars. http://www.livescience.com/45102-cahokia-decline-mississippi-flood.html

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Jason Colavito link
4/26/2014 01:23:51 pm

He said it in a radio interview last year. Apparently the Templars delivered a "prophecy" to the Cahokians warning them to leave their cities to avoid oncoming Spanish armies or something like that. The timeline was a little fuzzy.

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CHV
4/26/2014 03:10:11 pm

The expert that Wolter asks about Cahokia's abandonment on AU has a fairly bland answer as to why the city was left alone, and Scott's reaction to said explanation is fairly ho-hum. He hardly throws up his arms in shock. So why Wolter is chalking it up to the Templars now is pretty bizarre.

Then again, in Scott's mind, the Templars are also responsible for the infield fly rule and the cancellation of STAR TREK.

MPE
4/26/2014 09:03:08 am

Im not sure who is more delusional Mormons or Muslims

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Mandalore
4/26/2014 09:58:04 am

How are either more delusional than any other religious group? (And I don't mean to suggest that religion is silly.) Stereotyping is foolish and self-defeating.

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KIF
4/26/2014 10:09:58 am

Mystification is the job of New Testament scholarship
They'd all be out of a job otherwise

KIF
4/26/2014 10:11:01 am

Wolter is no worse than Meier or Louis Feldman

Mandalore
4/26/2014 09:54:49 am

First of all, Nephite Explorer sounds kind of pervy. And it reminds me of a show that was on one of the Christian channels called Faith in History. It was pretty crazy and distorted history pretty bad.

Second, I am not surprised that Wolter has so personalized his theories. It seems that people who have fringe theories often take any criticism of any kind of their pet theories as an attack on their own person no matter how it is presented. Then they get super defensive and start name calling.

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The Gospel of Scott Wolter
4/26/2014 01:18:52 pm

In the beginning was the Kensington Rune Stone. All hail the Kensington Rune Stone. The scribe left upon it the Hooked X. All hail the Hooked X - evidence of the Knights Templar involvement and evidence of the Jesus Christ Bloodline. So be it. Here lies the word of the Nephilim, the Guardians of Human Destiny.

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snarkmund Freud
4/26/2014 01:37:51 pm

Looks like we have another Troll. Just ignore him and he'll get tired and go away!

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Freud's nightmare
4/26/2014 01:57:18 pm

Not too hard to ignore snarkmund Freud

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/26/2014 01:57:54 pm

*sigh*

Once again … "neo-Nazis" … and … "child sex abuse" …

If it weren't so pathetic it could almost be comical … (in a clown like fashion …)

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KIF
4/26/2014 02:02:19 pm

Nothing more pathetic than "sit tight and believe"

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Jason Colavito link
4/26/2014 02:12:17 pm

Are you defending Frank Joseph? You're welcome to try, but it's a tall order.

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nonRev. Gil Photsch
4/26/2014 03:00:57 pm

*sigh*

Once again … In the same way that a physical object becomes holy by contact with a saint, even a Nazi child molester like Frank Joseph becomes credible through association with with my good friend Scott Wolter …

If it weren't so pathetic it could almost be comical … (in a clown like fashion …)

Rev Phil Gosh
4/28/2014 01:36:49 am

Jason, please stop repeating true things, as it makes it harder for me and fools like me to keep repeating the false ones. Stupid inconvenient facts!

Love Peace and Chicken Grease,
Rev Phil

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/26/2014 03:34:48 pm

I dunno …

When somebody keeps on keeping on bringing up some particular *topic* … Well …

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Snarkula
4/26/2014 04:45:54 pm

An innuendo. Why don't you go ahead and say it so Jason can sue you for everything you have including your tarnished halo.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/27/2014 04:04:23 am

Well, indeed, "innuendo" is the identified problem … To keep on keeping on poisoning a conversation with those loaded terms … is unhelpful, to say the least …

That is my point, which I have made more than once (because the poison has been offered as many times) ...

Rev Phil Gosh
4/28/2014 01:39:16 am

*Topic*

Feel the power of my little star marks!

By the way, I will never ever produce as much as a single shred of evidence for anything I say, because actual debate is hard and just insulting people who disagree with me is much easier. So no need to worry about that.

Love, Peace and Chicken Grease,
Rev Phil

Rev Phil Gosh
4/28/2014 01:39:52 am

*Topic*

Feel the power of my little star marks!

By the way, I will never ever produce as much as a single shred of evidence for anything I say, because actual debate is hard and just insulting people who disagree with me is much easier. So no need to worry about that.

Love, Peace and Chicken Grease,
Rev Phil

Rev Phil Gosh
4/28/2014 01:39:58 am

*Topic*

Feel the power of my little star marks!

By the way, I will never ever produce as much as a single shred of evidence for anything I say, because actual debate is hard and just insulting people who disagree with me is much easier. So no need to worry about that.

Love, Peace and Chicken Grease,
Rev Phil

Clint Knapp
4/26/2014 03:35:52 pm

Having grown up thirty miles from Nauvoo (my hometown even has a billboard promoting it as a tourist location) and spent two years living in Clearfield, Utah- just north of Salt Lake City, I for one am not surprised by any degree of Mormon acceptance of Wolter's inane ranting and pseudoscientific buffoonery.

Mormon Apologetics is practically its own industry of insanity. Beyond the aforementioned FIRM, there are also FARM (Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, run by BYU) and FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, an independent Mormon organization). Why they all need nearly interchangeable acronyms is beyond me.

Living so close to two important Mormon sites, I couldn't help but spend a good deal of time around Mormons and even engaged in many conversations about the apologetics topic. For the most part, thankfully, those I've had occasion to speak with don't particularly care about the historical contradictions or even necessarily believe all the ancient America stuff any more than the average Christian believes in a literal seven-day creation event.

Time and the changing climate of social and scientific development have done well to lessen the importance of upholding such outmoded ideas- at least in the younger generations (born post-1970 or so) that comprised most of my contact. There'll always be the older generations more firmly rooted in literalism against all evidence, but you'll get that in any faith-based organization.

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Jason Colavito link
4/26/2014 11:41:47 pm

It isn't really much different than the people looking for Noah's Ark and the Garden of Eden, and most members of the faith obviously are not literalists.

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Gunn
4/26/2014 04:31:50 pm

The Kensington Runestone being located a few miles from the Upper Chippewa River in MN didn't have anything to do with either:

Wolter: "...head-water of a river system..."

or

Cavalito: "...claiming the Mississippi watershed..."

Who likes looking at maps? I do. For some reason, I find studying maps kind of relaxing. By looking at the river system here in Minnesota, one will find that the head-water of the Mississippi watershed is not westward, toward Runestone Hill, but rather northward. Also, one would quickly discover that the Chippewa River flows into the Minnesota River, not into the Mississippi River.

We have discovered a reoccurring problem here, which is a lack of understanding of the waterway systems up here where the KRS was discovered back in 1898. The true upper reaches of the Minnesota river is more important than the upper reaches of the Chippewa River, where the KRS was found. This is because just north a few miles from the upper reach of the Minnesota River is the southern reach of the Red River system which flows north into Hudson Bay.

I legitimately criticize Scott Wolter for indicating that the KRS is a land claim, rather than simply being a memorial runestone placed in conjunction with acquiring or taking up "local" land. There is a subtle difference, yet this is important. In my opinion, the runestone was never buried on purpose as a land claim to be found using esoteric knowledge, by using "stonehole sacred geometry," which would reveal a grid and the location of the buried land claim. Although I have myself entertained this idea, even coming up with a proposed sacred geometric grid, I no longer believe in this supposition.

The waterways up here suggest that a more likely spot of importance would be west, where these two far inland waterways converge...and coincidentally, where there is the Continental Divide. Again, I think Runestone Hill in MN is merely a mapping landmark, not an important location for claiming a head-water of a river system, like claiming the Mississippi watershed, for instance.

The problem I see is an unnecessary diversion from the probable truth about the KRS, in regard to its very purpose for existence...that being the purpose of an uprightly placed memorial stone, not a buried land claim, in an improbable waterway spot for attempting to claim such a regional or semi-continental land claim. By being taken down the wrong waterways, literally speaking, we are becoming confused and even lost.

Add in the Jesus bloodline, and attempts at re-writing history become more than vain. What does the formation of the Templars, as Crusaders, have to do with a Jesus bloodline? At what point does the hooked X runic character become a symbol of both Templars and this Jesus bloodline? There are no connections, only flimsy attempts to make connections.

The problem is that Wolter wants us to believe him about his science relating to the KRS, and at the same time this other silliness. This is the crux of the problem, the oil and water not mixing. It takes a certain degree of audacity to do this, and I for one think he is "out of place." And I'm saying this even though we both believe in the genuineness of the KRS.

He has gone far beyond what was expected of him in dealing with the KRS. He was asked to do a geological study of the artifact, but he has gone far beyond doing that. When I look at the total amount of nonsense attributed to the KRS by him (and to the Templars and the hooked X), I'm quite amazed. In my opinion, he even has the original intention and purpose of the KRS wrong...which gets in the way of seeing other probable truth just to the west, where these waterways converge.

Which is the more likely spot for a settlement, even the New Jerusalem he may want? Well, whatever the spot was intended for, this Whetstone River, SD area, this "New Gotaland" was marked up with many more evidences than Runestone Hill was...a seemingly subtle difference, perhaps, but worth considering in the long run when concentrating the hunt for further evidences--hopefully with provenance intact.

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A.D.
4/26/2014 05:43:38 pm

Mormons have been attacking Native Americans for years and they have been proven to be the biggest forgerers.Identity theft and historical fiction a criminal act. There are a few guilty parties, "Mormons" are the worst offenders.

Mesoamericanist Michael Coe on Mormon false claims.


http://mormonstories.org/michael-coe-an-outsiders-view-of-book-of-mormon-archaeology/


Mormon war on Native Americans (Black Hawk War between Natives and Mormons)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liLXujigjPY

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A.D.
4/26/2014 05:52:08 pm

Identity theft and historical fiction *is* a criminal act.

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Varika
4/29/2014 02:49:48 pm

Correction: Historical fiction is not a criminal act. Forgery is a criminal act. The difference is that one is open about being fictional, and the other is intended to defraud. It's an important distinction to make for the sake of the historical costuming community.

Lynn Brant
4/27/2014 02:00:38 am

I still say conspiracy buffs and fringe historians have more in common with professional wrestlers and televangelists than anything else.

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Matt Mc
4/27/2014 02:07:20 am

I think a pro wrestler would resent that, while everything they do is staged and faked they still have to exercise and workout to maintain the physical condition needed to do the matches. I guess that would be considered heavy research in that field, so I would put a pro wrestler above all the aforementioned groups just for that reason

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Lynn Brant
4/27/2014 02:19:43 am

Meh. I'm sure the mental gymnastics Scott has to do to stay in fighting trim are every bit as demanding as a wrester's training. For example, I tried to read Frank Ellis. Too "heavy" for me. Pounding round pegs into square holes isn't easy work. Fringe history is no place for sissies.

RLewis
4/27/2014 02:57:08 am

I guess this proves that since AU "just a TV show meant for entertainment" and "not like NOVA" then we don't have to worry about any significant number of people taking it seriously.

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Only Me
4/27/2014 07:56:10 am

Notoriously, True Believers are difficult to dissuade ...

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 04:38:01 am

Yes …

The "True Believer" (see: Eric Hoffer) in a dearly held construct ("cultural diffusion" ideas = "neo-Nazi"-ism) … IS difficult to dissuade … I've noticed that ...

Only Me
4/28/2014 05:23:00 am

So have I.

Smithsonian Institution = conspiracy
academia = dogma
government = cover-up
criticism = personal attack

Yep, those true believers sure can be hard-headed.

RLewis8
4/27/2014 03:01:52 am

Note that YouTube has several NEPHITE EXPLORER videos posted
http://www.youtube.com/user/NephiteExplorer

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BillUSA
4/27/2014 01:15:38 pm

Why doesn't Wolter just cut to the chase and establish a church of his own. His method of trying to legitimize his theories would be easier to accept if done in a religious context. Otherwise, he just comes off as some butt-sore crackpot trying to find a way out of the trash compactor.

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B L
4/28/2014 04:03:37 am

Jason:

One aspect of Wolter's KRS narrative that attracted me early on was the connection me made between the Templars and the Cistercians and the conclusions he drew from this connection. This connection still interests me.

Please consider composing a blog post that outlines where Wolter differs from the actual historical account when it comes to a Cistercian/Templar connection.

I apologize if you've already done this and I've missed it.

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Gm
5/29/2019 04:39:02 am

That's an excellent effort Jason, to discredit Scott W. I read it all but only once. You do make great points in regard to the potential faulty reasoning Scott makes in creating whole historical theory. But on the other hand, you've made errors in reasoning that appear to be more unreliable. For one, while you accuse him of making his theory equivalent to his own character, you WITHOUT ANY CITATION OR VALID PROOF, assume that his public comments about critics REFERS TO YOU!! UGH. So subtle as it may be, your article doesn't assess Scott as a scientist but as a media figure responding to his critics. Wow!! Second, but there are more, you make a crucial mistake in quoting Scott in regard to historical theory when he's actually referring to his GEOLOGICAL /scientific assessments. In other words, he does not say that his proof of his theory about ANYTHING is 100% authentic or genuine, but that certain artifacts are not hoaxes or modern. And on that point, you're article almost completely collapses because you have failed to address the issue and he's still free and clear. You seem more like a smart collegiate grad student trying to critique a politically incorrect foe rather than dealing with real polemics or problems related to theory. You'll eventually settle inside because right now you're a simmering pot trying to call the kettle black.

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Ed Tillman
9/30/2022 12:18:23 am

This is not going to be easy. First I turned off Scott Wolters years ago. I still listen to his radio interview he is not on TV much any more. But he dose turn over alot of stones and this is the only reason I listen to his shows. I will have to give him credit on one piont. Before his two shows Holly Grail in Americas & Who discovered Americas only those that had an interest in the questionable artifacts found in the western hemisphere knew of these items. And they had to search for the information. But these two shows brought it to the couch potato long over do. I myself got started in 1985 fifthteen years before Wolters. Being raised in north central Missouri I found myself surrounded by Mormons artfacts and stories. And none of the stories was good. I do not see where he discovered anything that Mr.Winchell didn't discover in 1910. With what I knew and listenin to what he was saying, it came to me that it wasn't what he was saying but rather what he wasn't saying.
In 1985 I met a wonderful woman that was a true historian I work for her for two years and she tought me alot at Brunswick Mo. along the Missouri River. She told me about the Kensington Rune Stone KRS and when the Mormons came through Brunswick. She felt that the KRS was a real artifact but not by the Vikings and she felt then that the Templar was some way involved. She got me started on this.
Now its 2022 I wrote my first book Heaven Holds the Answer that can be found on Amazon paper or E-Book. I believe that the Book of Mormons is the truest book ever written about pre- columbian visits to the western hemisphere. But I DO NOT believe in the way its being interpre and taught. Most of the story in the Book of Mormons BOM is not about the departure of 607 BC but rather the departure of 1187 AD and the birth of their king in 1192 AD here in the west. That 1192 became their new 1 AD.
And the KRS was one of two claim stones that clain the northern half of the western hemispere from pole to equator they was not concerened about any watershed. Why worry about a watershed when you can claim it all. The KRS was moved from it first place it was sealed then lost.
The KRS I believe is possibly spoke of in the book of Mormons. (Omni 1:20) "And it came to pass in the days of Mosiah,there was a large stone brought unto him with engravings on it, and he did interpret the engravings by the gift and power of God."; (Omni 1:28) " And their leader being a strong and mighty man, and a stiff necked man, wherefore he caused a contention among them; and all slain,saved fifty."
(Ether 3:22-23) "Seal up the two stones which he had received, and show them not, until the Lord should show them unto the children of man." (Omni 1:29) "And it came to pass that they also took others to a considerable number, and took their journey again into the wilderness."
(Omni 1:28) It speaks of the time when 2 crews of 50 each left to locate the geographical longitude where the VRS to be place in S. Dakota while the other stone KRS will be place also in S.Dakota at center laditude. But there was trouble the KRS party lost 10 men while the VRS party lost 40 men. All slain, "save fifty". The total number of one crew was" All slain", While the 10 survivors from the VRS crew jion up with the 40 survivors from the KRS crew Save 50., The SPRS Spirit Pond Rune Stone speeks of 10 Sagas, from the 10 survivors. The SPRS I strongly feel is the mock-up for the VRS (Omni1:20) It speaks about the time that after the KRS was carved it was brought (carried) to the King to show. It wt is 202 lbs. (Ether 3:22) Seal up these Two stones, KRS and VRS.
(Omni1:29) One year after they lost their 50 men they take others into wilderness in two different crews to seal the stones in the cairns. Under the all seeing eyes of god the 1362 Swift -Tuttle Comet March 5th. The BOM date of these group events that occurred in the space of two years is 130 BC. When we add 130 to 1362 we have 1492AD Columbus,the return of Swift Tuttle comet and the Full Cycle of Venus the last time that these two events happend in the same year was in 587 BC when Solomom Temple walls came down.1492 is also known as 300 AD.
This is how I believe an enigmatical dating system was put into play.

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Ed Tillman
9/30/2022 07:14:04 pm

Jason

My name is Ed Tillman, I have been posting my commets in you Blog, have alot of respect for you work. Lately I notice that my last few comments has not been showing up on the screen. Is there someting that I wrote that is not allowed? If so please let me know..
I enclose my E-mail
eg.tillman@yahoo.com

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        • Book of the Damned
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      • H. P. Lovecraft >
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