My Appearance on the Chauncey DeVega Show

12/18/2014

I lieu of a blog post today, I present my guest appearance on the Chauncey DeVega Show. The podcast is an hour in length and can be watched below or downloaded at this link. I discussed topics ranging from ancient astronauts and lost giants to Afrocentrism and white supremacist views of North American history. The podcast was recorded in November, but release of the episode was a little delayed, so some of the references refer to events of November as though they had just happened.

14 Comments

CFC

12/18/2014 07:56:47 am

A brilliant interview Jason.

Steve StC

12/26/2014 12:24:27 pm

“Brilliant” is a gross overstatement.

Jason makes a statement in this interview that I find completely hilarious.

At about 18:24 he says (and I quote directly without adding any words to corrupt his statement to meet my own ends) “…a lot of what I do is mostly archival research because, in many cases the claims that the individuals are making are not so much based on archaeology as much as they are on myths, legends and ancient texts, and in many cases by going into the archives and looking at the primary sources, what the original authors wrote, we can see that much of the claims that come out it are not exactly what you would expect if you were giving a fair reading to these texts. In some cases, especially among the ancient astronaut theorists, they not only twist texts, but they make things up entirely. They’ll either ADD IN LINES THAT AREN’T THERE , or they will purposefully mistranslate some of the texts, they will manipulate them in many ways in order to make them sound like what they want them to say rather than what they actually say.”

Wow, that last bit sounds so familiar, Jason. Where have I experienced that? Oh, that’s right! When you purposefully added in words you had supposedly cut and pasted from my website - StClairResearch.com to mislead your readers. And it was not the first time nor the last you’ve done this.

From this post by Jason -
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/thomas-sinclairs-wildly-racist-claim-for-henry-sinclairs-discovery-of-america

"Despite his denials, his website states that he has had “no choice” but to investigate whether Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar and thus inherited Sinclair DNA."

My response, “This is a lie Jason. Show me where I wrote that the Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar.”

Jason purposefully added information that was NEVER written onto my website. Worse yet, HE PUT IT IN QUOTES as though it was a direct quotation.

From this post by Jason -
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/on-steve-st-clair-and-henry-sinclair

Your words in the comments section, "I am only reporting exactly what you yourself write and say. No more and no less."

My response, “Oh, you're definitely going beyond my words, Jason. That's my major complaint. On a previous blog post, you said "Despite his denials, his website states that he has had “no choice” but to investigate whether Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar and thus inherited Sinclair DNA."

Further down in the comments, Jason Colavito questioned me, 'The question again is this: If it isn't important and isn't true, why is there so much about it on so many pages?' (referring to an imagined glut of Templar information on my website StClairResearch.com

My reply, “1 page out of 52 pages of my website goes into some detail about the Mi'maq / Sinclair exploration. The methodology page has 1 small paragraph out of 53 in total devoted to it.”

That’s right, 1 small paragraph about it on 1 out of 52 total lengthy website pages.

Again, misleading your readers.

Very pompous stuff on this interview, Jason. Thought the listeners should know.

I’m just delighted to find you on such an even-handed political-centrist show, Jason, you political independent you.

Only Me

12/26/2014 01:10:46 pm

Hate I sense.

Oh, I noticed you didn't mention that those exchanges occurred 21 months ago; most likely because your complaints are as weak now as they were then. Your argument is butthurt.

Perhaps you should look for employment with Ancient Aliens. They like to recycle their inane material, too.

12/26/2014 10:09:33 pm

"Only Me" .... are you saying A.A just got renewed for 2 or 3 more
seasons despite how cheap and uxurous clip shows can look? here
i was saying how "cutting edge" Drakes Equation is! you mean as
we all do look for work as the Great Recession recedes in tyme, A.A
is a dependable generator of paychecks? ghadddd zooks count me in!

trickie dickie

12/26/2014 09:50:24 pm

hi Steve! do pass along Seasons Greetings to kind and wise
"Rev Phil" for me! Anyway, i think Jason did rather well,he was
almost as charismatic as Scott Wolter was as of late in Rhodey
to that town meeting of sorts. am being apt and pithy! gotta luv
Jason for his learning curve! at least this tyme he didn't sound
like he had no idearrrr what a Strong's Concordance was! I like
the way the new thread is going thru its paces at Scott's blog! I
find I am learning some new things about very old Chinese maps!
ANY WORD ABOUT THE A.U BEE EPISODE WITH YOU
IN IT AS TO ITS AIR*DATE? here i look'd at the one about how
Capt'n Kidd was hanged three times. We Brits could be rather
barbaric even in A.D 1700!!! His body was up in a public place
for the LONGEST time? No wonder colonial folks here said Isaac Newton was the most rational man of his era! Lets like progress!!!
I think Chauncey DeVega was way cool as he interviewed Jason...

Andy White

12/18/2014 08:32:35 am

Well done.

Alaric

12/18/2014 10:31:00 am

Great interview!

Mike b

12/18/2014 11:20:44 am

Excellent interview.

Kal

12/18/2014 01:46:04 pm

This was a very interesting interview and your voice is similar enough to your writing voice that both sound pretty on point. I liked the premise that people seem to need a sense of explainable theory, no matter how bizarre,to explain the mundane and boring normal life around them, and that somehow another force pulls the strings, because they think there must be.

It is not science.

The Other J.

12/19/2014 05:23:51 pm

That force pulling the strings, that big Other, can be kind of a problem. It's not necessarily just aliens, or Templars, academics, or whatever -- it can be a version of god, or a perceived political enemy, or an adversary at work. For some raised in certain environments, it can be those of another race or religion or some other non-standard lifestyle for that region.

Back in the day it might have just been called fate, but an amorphous, un-locatable Other gives the stress a shape (no matter how false), and somehow that allows people to process the stress. (Actually, that sounds a bit like the Bohemian Grove folks sacrificing Care to that giant owl.)

The problem is, if over-relied upon, people risk the big Other becoming a receptacle for all kinds of displaced responsibility. Any thing such a displacer has a problem with can be traced back to that big Other jacking them around. Eventually their own failings -- such as doing shoddy research, selective confirmation bias with evidence, an unwillingness to accept one's own shortcomings in an area and work on them -- become the fault of the big Other.

Metabolizing stress might be healthy to a degree, but not when it gets displaced on imaginary dragons that people then go looking for. If an un-locatable thing is searched for and not found, that unfulfilled search boomerangs the stress back (they're THAT sneaky!), which causes more stress because they can't quite pin down the thing they think is causing them stress. Ironically, that often makes the searchers for the big Other more intent in their cause.

As long as that keeps happening, and contemporary TV suggests there's no slow-down in sight, Jason will have plenty of work to do diagnosing that big Other issue.

12/27/2014 06:43:17 am

"that big Other"

Is that your mobster name? :)

protectspice

12/22/2014 07:17:02 am

This is excellent, I follow Chauncey on another, political site so this podcast is like All-Star level for me, lol.

Great job, Jason!!

12/27/2014 06:45:19 am

I see Steve St. Clair is no longer contractually bound to abstain from making embarrassing blog comments and "." has unsupervised Internet access for the holidays... Charming...

12/27/2014 09:48:12 pm

Luv --- i did up some neat BlackVault links

just so you can get a feel for a well run net "zoo"

in order so that Jason understands that I was

giving him the same respect i gave "blackvault"

over at his much bigger website. i think Rev Phil

does not hash over with S.W what goes on in his

excursions here, but he is trying to be a close friend.

I was hoping Steve StC was going to delve into the

new controversy about Richard III and bloodlines.

This one is neat. We have "X" matching but not a "Y"

and there is a scandal as to all that is of a court often!

Remember when Gunn and Steve StC hash'd over haploid

groups for easily more than 1000+ postings a while back?

Clearly WILLIAM and HARRY have Charles II as an ancestor.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865617810/Letter-DNA-sleuthing.html?pg=all

DNA evidence recently established Richard III as brother of Anne of York. Both were great-great-grandchildren of King Edward III. But the data also show that the Y chromosome passed to Richard III from Edward was not the same Y chromosome that males on the Lancaster/Tudor side of the family inherited from Edward. Illegitimacy is inferred.

Geneticists don't often dig into 530-year-old graves, which makes the DNA obtained from Richard III's bones a unique treasure. With much of it sequenced, the paternity issues described above may soon be resolved. But does this constitute an ethical violation, a breach of royal family privacy?

Will these high-profile paternity cases be tested? Most likely. They will require finding additional direct descendants of Edward. Alternatively, more graves could be exhumed. Newly obtained DNA would then be compared with Richard III's and with DNA already obtained from male-lineage descendants of John of Gaunt.

Is bringing to light ancient and otherwise lost-forever personal or family secrets ethical? Societies often take decades to figure out how new and transformative technologies should be used, and ethical mistakes are made. Perhaps mistakes are being made today in identifying ethical DNA technologies versus those that aren't.