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Nevada Author Claims Phoenicians Mistook Maya Cities for Atlantis

2/16/2019

64 Comments

 
​This weekend, I am devoting my time to working on my new book about the myths and legends of the pyramids, so I have only a short topic to discuss with you today. It concerns a “new” hypothesis about the location of Atlantis that was recently described in the Nevada Appeal, a newspaper in Carson City publishing two weekly editions. The Appeal published a column by local historian and amateur archaeologist Dennis Cassinelli, who has written four books on Great Basin history, including Uncovering Archaeology, in which he attacks the “current system” of science and claims to have found evidence for lost civilizations of an Old World flavor in the Great Basin region, along with Mormon-style evidence of Christ’s visitation.
​“Professionals are reluctant to critique their own profession,” Cassinelli said in an interview. “I know where enough of the archaeological skeletons are buried and some of the shennanigans [sic] that have taken place to write a humorous, yet serious, critique of the profession.”
 
The Appeal column is a summary of his discussion of Atlantis in his self-published Uncovering Archaeology.
 
Cassinelli discusses the Atlantis myth in a rather standard way before segueing into Mormon apologetics. He writes that years ago he took a trip to Central America to tour Maya ruins and as part of the preparation work, he began to study the Book of Mormon as a historical document. “Being an avid reader, I happened to read a few chapters in the Book of Mormon one day from a historical perspective,” he wrote. He quickly came to believe that Mormonism’s belief in Christ’s arrival in the Americas and ministry to the peoples of the Americas answered historical questions for him. He now believes, for example, that the Maya god Kukulkan was Christ, and he falsely claims that the Maya believed Kukulkan to have been born of a virgin. He also compares the promise of Kukulkan to return someday to Christ’s promise of the Second Coming—despite the odd inconsistency that he believes (wrongly) that the Mormons hold Christ to have faked his own death before escaping to America, thereby rendering the whole Second Coming doctrine essentially moot. If Christ wasn’t resurrected, then the mythology erected atop the resurrection doesn’t stand.
 
But what does this have to do with Atlantis? Well, glad you asked:
My theory is Central America was actually the lost continent of Atlantis. Even before Christ arrived, a Phoenician ship likely landed on the coast of Central America. The sailors saw the massive pyramids and the wonderful cities of the Mayans, believing they had landed in Atlantis. Upon their return, they reported the wonders of "Atlantis" to the world.
 
Many years later, another group of mariners attempted to make the same voyage. However, being less skillful, they gave up on the Atlantic crossing before landing in Central America. Embarrassed to admit their failure, they reported the beautiful continent of Atlantis had simply sunk into the sea, never to be seen again.
​It annoys me when someone claiming to be a historian doesn’t seem to be aware of the work of earlier writers who trod the same ground. The claim that Mexico and the Maya lands were “Atlantis” is as old as the Spanish Conquest. In the nineteenth century both Brasseur de Bourbourg and Augustus Le Plongeon famously pursued the claim, with the latter imagining the Maya lands as the fountainhead of world civilization.
 
At least Cassinelli has an unusual spin on the idea, asserting that “Atlantis” itself was a myth but that Phoenicians described the Maya cities as Atlantis because of the myth. This is basically what happened with Francisco López de Gómara in 1552 when he applied the Atlantis myth to explain what he saw in Mexico. But you really have to love the way Cassinelli openly makes up stories that can’t be true—the “embarrassed” expedition—without bothering to justify them with evidence.
 
Factually speaking, for the story to be true, all of this would have had to have occurred before Plato wrote of Atlantis in order for him to have incorporated the “embarrassed” expedition’s claim of a missing continent. That means that the last journeys would have had to take place around 400 BCE, during the Maya Preclassic period, when pyramids were much smaller and cities were only starting to rise. More challenging still is that for the Greek legend to rightly think Atlantis to be vastly old, when Maya buildings of that time were demonstrably new, the Phoenicians would have had to have visited still earlier, when there were no Maya pyramids at all. I suppose the Olmec would need to substitute in here, though we fall into a paradox: If “Atlantis” was a myth applied to America, then why is there no mention of it before Plato? In something of a chicken and egg problem, the creation of the myth and its real-world inspiration seem to take place both simultaneously and not at all.
64 Comments
Machala
2/16/2019 12:21:02 pm

Interesting but understandable that a man who has no compunction about digging up pottery, skeletons, arrowheads and other indigenous artifacts and exploiting them for profit - and justifying this desecration by claiming his finds wre all on "private ranch land".- would become a crackpot Mormon apologist.

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Jim
2/16/2019 12:45:40 pm

https://denniscassinelli.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/img_2087.jpg

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T. Franke link
2/16/2019 01:39:53 pm

The claim is logically clearly impossible, besides the other 1000 reasons, why this is wrong.

Sometimes, Christians in countries far away from Israel make Jesus wandering around their places to have a closer connection to him. Another well known case is Jesus in India. Or Mary Magdalene arriving in France.

This can be compared to a parallel example from antiquity: The Dorian Greeks made their tribal hero Heracles wandering around all the places and being victorious over local kings and gods, where they had founded a colony.

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Rational Man
2/16/2019 02:50:23 pm

Dorian Greeks (Heracles) and Magdalene arriving in France cannot be compared. Clumping that together is like calling Dan Brown a historian.

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T. Franke link
2/16/2019 05:29:45 pm

Rational Man: Exactly! You are absolutely right.

And therefore I did not do it.

I compared Christians (real) to Dorians (real), and Heracles (not real) to Mary Magdalene in France (not real).

Kent
2/16/2019 06:21:33 pm

Might not Heracles be based upon a real person just as Atlantis might be based on a real place? Is there evidence that Mary Magdalene did not travel to France?

Rational Man
2/17/2019 01:52:40 am

Dorian Greeks claiming to be descended from Heracles is a hoot.

Like Stephen King claiming to be descended from Edgar Allan Poe.

Hanslune
2/16/2019 01:50:04 pm

Yet more claims of Atlantis - how boring!

Nothing makes a claim more scientifically valid than to use the Book of Mormon as a source......

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Mormons
2/16/2019 03:36:37 pm

They stole stuff from Freemasonry

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Matt
2/16/2019 11:01:53 pm

Who reads the Book of Mormon in preparation for a trip to Central America?

We're planning a trip to Japan so maybe I should give the Torah a quick read.

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Hanslune
2/17/2019 12:29:30 am

Actually I did read the parts about JC in the Americas when I was shovel bumming in the Yucatan - so I could converse with the LDS students in a neighboring excavation.

Rather hilarious and very much an early 19th century feel to it.

Nice story junk science.

Dah the Ah
2/17/2019 04:16:19 pm

It would be ok to read the Torah.But I am not aware that there are many Jewish areas in Japan. Of course, you also may just be kidding and if so, reading the Torah would be as good a preparation for a trip as anything else.

Jean Stone
2/21/2019 02:38:48 pm

There actually ARE some fringe types who have claimed that various designs on Japanese mirrors are supposed to be some form of ancient Hebrew. Hmmm, I should probably dig up some of that material, might be good for a laugh or two, like that Zuni Enigma book from a few years ago.

Doc Rock
2/16/2019 02:40:12 pm

I read the interview in the embedded link above. He comes across as, relatively speaking, halfway rational. I guess he only really twists off in other venues.

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Accumulated Wisdom
2/16/2019 09:46:35 pm

What a load of Kolob.

I almost threw my television out the door a couple of weeks ago. I was watching my friend's child, and she demanded to watch "Luna" on PBS. Ok...I let her watch. This talking moon says, and I quote, "Arabic Heiroglyph is the world's oldest known language."

Have I missed something? Has there been a find, I am unaware of? I sure thought that title went to the Sumerians, and their language. Please correct me if, I am wrong.

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Kent
2/17/2019 01:08:19 am

Actually appears to be true if we take it as written language as it appears you do. "Egyptian hieroglyphs in the tomb of Seth-Peribsen (2nd Dynasty), Umm el-Qa'ab" c. 2690 BCE

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Jim
2/17/2019 02:25:22 am

Talking cartoon moon - 1
Anthony -0

Accumulated Wisdom
2/17/2019 03:41:02 am

Google still says Sumerian.

Google - 1
Talking moon - 1
Anthony - curious

Wim Van der Straeten
2/17/2019 04:46:04 am

You would think that after so many theories and books about the location of Atlantis people would get tired of the subject, but apparently that's not the case. Is there a part of this planet where Atlantis hasn't been located yet? Even Antarctica and the Sahara have already been mentioned as potential locations. The 18th century Fleming Charles-Joseph De Grave even located it in the Low Countries, my own region.

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Rational Man
2/17/2019 07:55:04 am

Atlantis is never located in Plato's imagination

Atlantis was never created as a framework for Plato's concept of his Republic

That's a fact

LOL

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orang
2/17/2019 10:00:58 am

I'm for Atlantis on the Cydonian plain of Mars submerged in an overnight dust storm. Has anyone claimed that yet?

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Jim
2/17/2019 10:12:37 am

https://www.disclose.tv/swiss-scientist-say-atlantis-was-on-mars-and-ancient-egypt-traded-with-them-312147

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Kent
2/19/2019 03:12:56 am

"Languages are used by royal classes first, and therefore have a history beyond the academic world. Academics date languages using the dates on books used to teach the language to the working classes."

How did people who weren't royal communicate?
What about before there were books?

Your ideas are fascinating!

Eirik Sinclair
2/19/2019 02:37:52 pm

Kent, I believe you made my point!

All peoples speak a crude language of some sort. A crude writing system is generally set up.

Then, a scientific/royal class tweaks everything and then institutes a new form of the language long after the crude forms were used.

Then, new philosophies or studies commence. The royal classes adapt to the new vocabulary/writing over a length of time.

Then, when there is a sufficient amount of change... then books are written so that a common system can be taught to the masses well after the language/scripts have been used.

PoodleShooter
2/19/2019 03:37:35 pm

You sound like a fucking idiot.

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 02:24:25 pm

After reviewing the 1910 AD preliminary report given on the Kensington Runestone to the historical society, I wish to point out that the academic world is in need of help when the ‘experts’ are predisposed to denial.

The critique that ensued in the report was based on the inscription's translation, but mainly over the words used to describe the inscription. Never did they interpret the ‘skerries’ as transcribed as referring to the two sea portals. Hudson Bay and Lake Superior. For 'experts' to search for rocks on a lake is justifiably laughable.

Olaf Ohman was a true Swede. The scholarly embarrassment put forth by the report could only be detected by a Swede who understands the purpose of a Runestone, that knowledge which academics wish to conceal.

As to his theology of the dating. Languages are used by royal classes first, and therefore have a history beyond the academic world. Academics date languages using the dates on books used to teach the language to the working classes. The report is dated by an 'expert' that shows he is no 'expert'. Especially when he did not entertain the idea of multiple forms of languages being used to denote a historical event.

For the most part, the report confirmed the truth even though they went through great lengths to find issue with it. 1402 AD.

The Kensington Runestone did not state it was done on behalf of a king because it was commissioned by a Royal Patron, one who would not refer to himself. It is a historical marker, that was part of a memorial, that was commissioned to denote a past event. Passed along by those still amongst the living, until a time in which they felt the Runestone could be unveiled. As it was... and those in denial should just live with it!

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*Henry St. Clair-Scotland
*Henry Sinclair-American Northeast
*Henry VIII-Ireland & England
*Bartholomew Roberts-Welsh Pirate
*Black Bart-American Southwest

Two genetic lines fused, Greek & Egyptian = Scottish, plus American Indian = Swedish

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Hanslune
2/17/2019 03:09:36 pm

Hey is this "florida' from Historum? What does this have to do with the subject at hand?

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 03:20:11 pm

It's the lineage of Atlantis. You can throw Plato in just before Alexander.

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 03:37:48 pm

- Phoenicians were the boat people who brought everyone to Atlantis.
- those who mixed with English turned into the Irish monks 530 AD
- Atlantis was a viable civilization until defeat in Sweden 791 AD
- Phoenician oarsmen lasted until 1255 AD
- Runestone was left in 1402 AD to denote end of Atlantis

Imagination
2/17/2019 03:45:31 pm

Your imagination fills in the gaps.

Kent
2/17/2019 04:00:45 pm

Why does it say 1362?

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 07:34:25 pm

The Sinclair Expeditions ended in 1362 when they discovered the northern tribes had blended with the Indian populations. Those that didn't blend were found dead. Back in Europe, the other prominent families isolated the Sinclair's for their failures in America... putting an end to their voyages. In 1402, when Henry Sinclair was on his deathbed, his last request was for his son to return to America and leave evidence of their time here.

985 AD - Indians were in open revolt on the east coast (story of Leif Ericsson's ship)
1002 AD - Alamo Incursion occurred (Indians poured in from South America)
1040 AD - Federated States of America formed (Indians were armed)
1068 AD - Viking Age came to an end
1101 AD - Magna Carta was signed bringing new settlers
1255 AD - Confederate States formed bringing new expeditions

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 07:51:03 pm

Those found red with blood (hair color):

Erochson - circa 1000 BC
Ericksson - 1 BC
Ericsson - 985 BC

It's a designed circle of life, outlined in the Round Table.

Imagination
2/17/2019 08:01:41 pm

The Round Table of Marijuana

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 08:12:30 pm

Yes, the peace pipe was integral in separating the braves from the squaws. The chief didn't want to get caught with his pants down. He had several feathers in his cap as evidence.

IMAGINATION
2/17/2019 08:42:29 pm

I meant marijuana being used by yourself to produce your fantasy histories.

lineage of Atlantis
2/17/2019 03:30:16 pm

Plato's imagination conjuring a peg on which to hang his theories upon. Boring.

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Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 05:35:38 pm

Something more interesting... uhm, what to do?

Well... while other people were busy mining copper, my family was busy mining cork. Those mining copper died.

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LINEAGE OF ATLANTIS
2/17/2019 08:00:10 pm

You mean you dream all that stuff up without smoking anything

Eirik Sinclair
2/17/2019 08:15:58 pm

Unfortunately, yes.

The Vatican monks have placed all that material in their logic puzzles. Think like a Vulcan and you too can get high on the truth.

LINEAGE OF ATLANTIS
2/17/2019 08:40:45 pm

It's because of the likes of people like you that make most others use the internet strictly for emailing purposes.

Hanslune
2/17/2019 08:43:35 pm

Well......there is a certain comedy element involved....lol

Lineage of Atlantis
2/18/2019 10:28:10 am

People don't know the difference between making things up and objective historical research.

Not only that, such people will never want to know the difference.

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Hanslune
2/18/2019 11:40:21 am

Yeah making stuff up is pretty easy. Since in real research you often don't find what you are looking for.....strangely those who make up stuff always find exactly what they set out to find - Amazingly!

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Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 12:01:14 pm

I think you are forgetting your own research...

In 754 BC, Villa Nova was sacked. Half of the library of Alexandria was taken. It laid the foundations for Rome.

This is widely accepted by academics. The information became proprietary. Meaning, you don't have access to it.

In 250 BC, Carthage was sacked. The other half of the library of Alexandria was taken. It laid the foundations for the Byzantine Church (Kingdom of Naples).

These events are widely accepted by academics. The information became proprietary. Meaning, you don't have access to it.

Monks then translated all the information from Linear A & B scripts into logic puzzles. Meaning, if you are logical... you will have access to it. If you are not logical, the information remains concealed.

If you need help deciphering the proprietary information, the Templar will show you the way. Generally, you have to have some royal blood in you for them to care enough to locate you.

Thus, standard scholars only have access to maybe half of the world's known histories through books written from oral accounts, mythological accounts, and archaeological guess work.

If you remember... if you knew the truth about science, and the church wanted it kept secret, they suppressed you and your research.

Thus, only a deceptive knowledge of the world can be researched and transcribed by scholars.

Therefore, by your own accounts... you are in denial.

Kent
2/18/2019 12:37:41 pm

You have an interesting view of history. It might make a good subject for one of Jason's articles.

Hanslune
2/18/2019 12:40:05 pm

""754 BC, Villa Nova was sacked. Half of the library of Alexandria was taken. It laid the foundations for Rome""

You think there was a Library of Alexandria in 754 BC huh?

""if you knew the truth about science, and the church wanted it kept secret, they suppressed you and your research""

So if they are suppressing you why are you on line?

LOL

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Hanslune
2/18/2019 12:56:20 pm

""You have an interesting view of history. It might make a good subject for one of Jason's articles. ""

Absolutely his talents are wasted on this blog I would suggest one or all of these forums:

Graham Hancock Mysteries

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/list.php?1

Above top secret

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/32/pg1/srtpages

Unexplained Mysteries

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/forum/69-
ancient-mysteries-amp-alternative-history/

Hall of Ma'at

http://www.hallofmaat.com/list.php?1

Historum

https://historum.com/forums/ancient-history.10/

Share the fun Eirik Sinclair

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Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 01:08:12 pm

Spooky...

Possibilities are endless. I've often wonder if I am actually on line or not. This could be a closed session with one or two people acting as 5-10.

1. I had a PO Box once to receive communications from flyers I delivered by hand. The Feds showed up at the Post Office and told them I was running some scam. Never got a letter.

2. I spoke with a popular celebrity once in person to get my information out. He lost his job and could only do taped interviews for 3 years.

3. But who said I am being suppressed at all? Maybe someone is making money from me. My books are online, but I have been cut off from my account. They are being read and sold, and I haven't received a residual in two years. Would have to pay a lawyer $10,000 to get them removed from the website.

4. Other materials I have produced are being given out on several other websites without my permission. How did they get them?

5. I have been protected, as well as suppressed. The time of the awakening might not be at hand yet. Or, they are using me to find the others.

Once again... spooky!

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Hanslune
2/18/2019 01:16:00 pm

...oh my so they're suppressing you in all manner of ways but then have forgotten to take your books down so your information STILL gets out?

Wow convenient - and so really dumb people are trying to suppress you but unable to do it properly.....LMAO

Anyway I suggest you go to those websites I listed - you will get a far greater exposure to your ideas there.

Tell'm Hanslune sent you....

Kent
2/18/2019 01:34:40 pm

Name of celebrity? Links to your writings? Thanks!

Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 01:39:02 pm

I think the point is... I am not allowed to make any money from the information which I have been tutored to understand. The funds are going to those who did the teaching.

i.e. - Plato's manuscripts were made available to me. After five days of not reading them, they started to pixelate. I tried to print them out, but with no success. A pop-up window showed up and asked me if I was done. I clicked 'no' and the manuscripts were restored.

But thank you for the websites. I'll give them a go. They look scatterbrained in design, but I'll give them a try anyway.

Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 01:43:21 pm

Voyage of the Thundergods book
Voyage of the Thundergods map

Echoes of Atlantis
Echoes of Atlantis puzzle (thundergod map)

Guardians of Atlantis
Treasure Hunted
Ghosts in Winter
Technogod
Forgotten Knight

Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 01:44:56 pm

I don't wish to cause the celebrity any more trouble. He was kind enough to hear me and get interested in what I said. Think really hard and you probably could figure it out.

Kent
2/18/2019 03:05:24 pm

So Wesley Snipes, then? Still hoping you'll provide the websites for your writings!

Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 03:19:41 pm

Not Wesley Snipes.

My website was just taken down this xmas. But I was told it never really is gone.

The big website, starts with an 'A'. They have most, and are giving the content away for free.

Kent
2/18/2019 04:40:09 pm

Why didn't you just start another website with your files? Your ideas about history are fascinating!

Hal
2/18/2019 04:58:08 pm

Eirik there are less than 50 people who routinely visit this site and comment. Only 3-4 people make most comments and several pretend to be many people so they can support themselves. This is a hate blog and the comments prove it.

Kal
2/18/2019 01:45:15 pm

Is Scott W. here or is this Sinclair guy just an elaborate prank? Hi, Scott, remember those Berkeley walls? Maybe you can go work for Trumpy. He needs work getting his walls.

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Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 01:50:59 pm

Sinclair is one of my pen names.

No, I am not Scott W., nor is Scott the celebrity I talked with.

Even though, I did have an email or two with Scott prior to his show being taken off the air. Scott liked what I produced in his first email, then cut off communications when I told him I am a descendant of Henry VIII.

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Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 01:53:04 pm

The Walls of Derry are much more interesting! You will learn a lot of history if you can break through them. Good stuff!

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Walls of Derry
2/18/2019 02:11:28 pm

Imagination exists without boundaries or borders
Erik Sinclair keeps demonstrating it
His imagination is limitless - and boring

Eirik Sinclair
2/18/2019 02:26:14 pm

Boring is going to church.

Anglicans lived, then died, for the right to be free.

Mostly died, but then there is the walking dead still. For awhile, until they are killed.

Hanslune
2/19/2019 04:50:14 pm

Eirik Sinclair

Your comments on language are 'interesting' indeed.

There is a fellow on the internet who believes in 'ancient language' you guys might be able to compare notes. You can find him here: Goes by the name Cladking:

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,339981,339981#msg-339981

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