New Jersey Conspiracy Believer Charged with Vandalism of America's Stonehenge

3/3/2021

After a 15-month investigation, a New Jersey man has been charged with one count of criminal mischief in the vandalism attack on America's Stonehenge that left the New Hampshire colonial cold cellars wrongly believed to be an ancient Old World monument defaced with QAnon slogans. Mark Russo, 50, is currently is in jail in New Jersey waiting for extradition to New Hampshire to face trial.

The New Hampshire Union-Leader reported some of the details:

Russo was arrested after police found images of the stone and Russo online. Detectives connected him to a Twitter account responsible for a Tweet referencing “a few improvements” at the site. The images on the cross were also linked to Russo, police said.

The newspapers also falsely reported that the tourist attraction was 4,000 years old and likely built by Old World people. The paper repeated claims straight from the site's website, with only a brief reference that "skeptics claim" the site to be a nineteenth century construction. Additional details were reported on Twitter.

Russo's now-suspended Twitter account had posted tweets in which Russo discussed his desire to destroy the Washington Monument (which he called a monument to Baal) and the obelisk at Bunker Hill, and he cited History Channel and Travel Channel host Scott F. Wolter, a conspiracy theorist, from whose show America Unearthed he had learned about the false claims made for America's Stonehenge, specifically the episode I reviewed here.

Russo apparently believed America's Stonehenge to be an evil pagan monument that had to be defaced and destroyed to break its prehistoric power in the name of God and QAnon, wrongly believing Wolter's allegations on America Unearthed that the colonial cold cellar had been the scene of grisly human sacrifices. The cider press popularly called the "sacrificial table" was the target of the vandalism attack authorities charged Russo with committing.

46 Comments

Paul

3/3/2021 11:30:01 pm

In brief, one nut defaces another nut’s property based on false information from a third nut. A cubed nut situation. Wonder if nut A used a loaded lodestone to find his way.

Hilda Hilpert

3/4/2021 03:44:15 pm

HaHA, I like that one. But let's get serious for a moment. It is getting tiresome reading about idiots who go around destroying and vandalizing pictographs, historic battle sites etc. In a National Geographic magazine from way back, think the 1970s-10990s, they had a photo of of large designs in the California desert, similar to the NAzca lines. Anyhow, in the photo, the State of California had placed chain link fencing around the site to stop the morons from doing wheelies and donuts on them.You could even see the tire tracks they left behind.

Kent

3/6/2021 12:45:22 am

I think it's a safe bet that no such National Geographic article exists.

Doc rock

3/6/2021 09:34:03 am

The Blythe Intaglios. Yeah, it was a thing back in the 70s. I saw the same photos.

Jim

3/7/2021 01:08:34 pm

Hilda, you mean like the idiots who tear historic US statues down?

Jim

3/7/2021 03:44:45 pm

^^^ Whoever responded to Hilda using my name,,Just stop it ! ^^^

Jim

3/4/2021 12:10:36 am

Ha !

Airing tomorrow Wolter plus owner caretaker of America's Stonehenge, Dennis Stone, will join lead investigator of the #HolzerFiles Dave Schrader in a merry quest for " the origin of the hauntings that lie in the strange rock formation". (America's Stonehenge)

"As they unearth the site's haunted past, they soon discover that they are dealing with more than restless spirits, and see for themselves why Holzer insisted on keeping his family far away from the horrors of Mystery Hill."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq-ldoKZM0w

Anthony G.

3/4/2021 02:59:33 am

"...New Hampshire colonial cold cellars wrongly believed to be an ancient Old World monument"

https://www.academia.edu/44897431/Native_American_Worked_Stone_at_Americas_Stonehenge

Not quite. You've been hung up on mounds, pyramid myths, and James Dean's sexual orientation for too long.

I personally like the discussion regarding the depressions with no drainage immediately outside certain structures. Likely a specific pagan practice assimilated by the Catholic Church. Have you dipped your fingers in holy water lately? I can even see these depressions as offering bowls for water. That's my educated speculation.

There might be some new facts for you to evaluate soon regarding this altered complex.
No Catholic military orders, stone holes, trade marked symbols, or credit card and toothpick tests.

Good job catching the vandal. I'm really surprised they caught the guy. Most police put the same amount of effort into vandals as they do the meth-heads that steal your bike. The only way you're getting your bike back is if the police stumble upon him passed out from huffing the spray paint he stole to change the color of the bike. Otherwise the color is quickly changed and it's soon hooked up to a trailer made from a converted baby seat. It will be carrying a recliner, half a pool table, a bag of aluminum cans, several pieces of sheet metal and an office chair. Amazing how a 90 lb man can generate that much force.

Kent

3/4/2021 10:43:51 am

It must have been for ritual purposes because Indians just weren't smart enough to invent root cellars. That would have to wait for the arrival of the White Man.

"7 Short Grooved Drain in Bedrock There is a short roughly pecked straight groove in the bedrock next to the Mensal Stone Chamber. It is oriented north to south towards the end wall of the chamber.Groove: 12” long x 2” to 3” wide.Waterfall Drain The grooved drain feature has a straight pecked groove placed down the center of a pecked rectangular depression. It is located on top of a capstone over a covered drain. The rectangular depression has a squared-off end on its east side. On the opposite west side the depression narrows as it connects with an L shaped corner on the edge of the capstone. The drain down the center of the depression exits at the L shaped corner.Three inches below the exit point is a stone plate. Water poured into the drain exits at the edge and cascades over the edge forming a small waterfall."

"So in a few days Eben appeared, and I [Gladys] began my lessons in making a special type of basket. He explained that Little People lived in the woods and along the beaches and that in early times it was customary for groups going out to gather food plants, herbs for medicine, fishing, or hunting, to put some corn bread and meat in a small basket and leave it for the Little People."

Is it possible that Indians invented the coffee cup holder before the White Man?

"A stone slab with a crudely pecked circle with a post hole in the center was found on top of the southeastern end of the Sunken Courtyard unit."

Buh-buh-buh but you said there were no stoneholes!

KPIO!

Anthony G.

3/5/2021 05:27:47 pm

"It must have been for ritual purposes because Indians just weren't smart enough to invent root cellars. That would have to wait for the arrival of the White Man."

I've never stated any shade of skin pigmentation regarding explorers. You must be one of those who think Leif Erikson just discovered natives living in what he called Vinland. Cartography is telling a different story. That is in the hands of the British Library now who own the Cotton World Map. It is up to them to pay for and have done actual multi-spectral imaging. This will reveal the North American coastline! Interestingly the most prominent feature is Cape Cod but, that's NOT the area labeled "Tara". Nor is it the place bearing the trademarked symbol.

Jump ahead of few hundred years and you'll find this. Always found on the "River of the Blessed Mother".

https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.2388438161232373/2527612437314944/?type=3&source=48

KPIO???

Lay off the Cheetos.

Anthony G.

3/9/2021 04:57:48 am

https://www.academia.edu/45399391/1607_1609_John_Daniel_Virginia_Company_Chart_The_FAMAS_TORON_

No stone holes or credit card and toothpick tests. Science, modern technology, and the amazing abilities of a cellphone.

T. Franke link

3/4/2021 06:47:08 am

In the context of school massacres in the US I learned that psychological illnesses are often not treated appropriately in the US since the health insurance system does not pay for it. Would it be legitimate to ask the question whether this could have an impact not only on school massacres, but also on many other strange behaviours of certain citizens in the US?

This is only one possible explanation, of course, but I have a hard time to believe that such a belief and behaviour is incited primarily by politics and TV shows.

Unfortunately, the linked article is not open for readers in the EU.

Jim

3/4/2021 09:29:24 am

" but I have a hard time to believe that such a belief and behaviour is incited primarily by politics and TV shows"

Really T. Franke ??,,,,, where you been for the last four or five years ?

T. Franke link

3/5/2021 04:44:43 am

Jim, and where you have been? Always on CNN?! Faithfully believing that evil devil Trump inspired a normal, decent, average American to go to a historical monument destroying and "adapting" it? Look, the idea of destroying and "adapting" historical monuments, errrr, who brought this up in recent years? Trump?! Not really.

At the same time, saint Biden claims to be the savior of democracy, although obviously elected by rules not written in the constitution (don't tell me lies, the minority vote of Justice Thomas Clarence was very clear), claims to unite the country by destroying dissenters, claims to boost economy by canceling thousands of jobs, and also claims to have produced vaccine out of nothing once he entered office giving explicitly no credit at all to the "last administration" in this matter. "Saint" Biden is not so far-fetched, because you need a wonder to be canonized ...

Obviously, the US have a wonder-maker in the White House, now. There is much need to talk about anti-rationality, but it's not Trump.

If any news pop up that this man destroying the historical monument had mental health issues, I humbly would like to get to know. Thank you.

Jim

3/5/2021 06:50:14 pm

The Devil made me do it defense doesn't work anymore Franke.
You want to excuse Republican conspiracy theorist because the poor dears are all obviously mentally retarded ? Have at it.

The guy saw Wolter on his pseudo show say it was an altar for sacrificing children, didn't like the thought of this and vandalized it.
The gullible idiot bought into Wolters pseudo nonsense hook, line and sinker, no mental retardation necessary.

Read the dam article, get a free VPN if you can't afford a paid VPN subscription.

https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-free-vpns

T. Franke link

3/6/2021 06:17:09 pm

Jim, I would like to point out that exactly one person, only one person, only one single person, went to this archaeological site, and damaged it. If the TV show inspired this, why weren't there more idiots damaging it?

If any news pop up that this man destroying the historical monument had mental health issues, I humbly would like to get to know. Thank you.

Doc Rock

3/4/2021 10:46:21 am

A cider press gets spun by pseudonobs as the site of ancient pagan sacrifices of little boys. A wackjob upset at the notion of a site of ancient pagan sacrifices of little boys within sight of Fenway shows his displeasure with the the site by vandalizing it. Wolter accuses skeptics, all of whom see the structure as a lye or cider press and not the site of ancient pagan sacrifices of little boys, of of culpability in the vandalism of the site by someone that believed pseudo claims that it was the site of ancient pagan sacrifices of little boys. I think that I have it straight.

Time to dump a stiff shot of Absolut in my Mimosa.

Richard

3/4/2021 05:59:24 pm

Kind of odd when one considers that Q anon is basically Nostradamus for white supremacists idiots and conspiracy theory. They succumb to an ancient form of manipulation then revolt against a cider press. Then call everyone else sheeple.

Normandie

3/6/2021 06:53:35 pm

Yep...You got it!!

Jim

3/7/2021 11:35:03 am

Here is an article fleshing out in a lot more detail what actually happened, and no T. Franke, it wasn't just one Person !

"Within a day I had discovered the Twitter account of a man who seemed linked to the vandalism. By the end of the evening, I had found the confession of his accomplice. Both men posted about the vandalism with only the thinnest veneer of caution. Their Twitter feeds outline many details of the crime, their personal beliefs, their association and feelings of fellowship with each other, and how both men turned to conspiracy theories to deal with grief."

https://www.patreon.com/posts/sacrificing-48402396?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=postshare

" In a thread responding to another influential QAnon promoter @Cordicon, @mark52525786, who had identified himself in previous tweets as Mark Russo, had posted a tweet showing a picture of himself standing in front of the cider press stone, wearing a QAnon t-shirt and a camo Trump hat, another photo of the crucifix in the tree, and shockingly, a claim of responsibility."

https://web.archive.org/web/20200907182603/https:/twitter.com/mark52525786/status/1179100376064233474

"but I have something I would like to tell satan!I piss on ur precious stone and I craved my name! It’s always been a game,which makes me sad, but a game between the poor and the elites!"

T. Franke link

3/8/2021 04:12:18 am

Jim,

it was only one man on the site. Not two. The other man only consented but did not take action. Big difference, if you know about psychology.

And he was not inspired by UFOs but by a documentary movie "The Smiley Face killers", as your source says.

Then the source says, both are fundamentalist Christians, but QAnon believers at the same time.

Now we have rich choice: Was it the Christian fundamentalism? The QAnon belief? Or "The Smiley Face killers" show?

Furthermore we learn, that both were QAnon believers BEFORE joining Twitter! How is this possible? They cannot have become QAnon believer just by watching CNN! Any explanation is missing.

And allegedly the whole social environment of the man is QAnon. But ... on Twitter only. We do not know anything about his real social environment. But the article suggests that the Twitter environment would say it all. It does not.

Then they are called "domestic terrorists" only because they destroyed a piece of stone?! Exaggerated. You are a terrorist if you threaten lives, not stones. They are just mentally ill criminals, not terrorists.

Finally, this man was caught in deep grief. It is obvious that he has mental problems. We just need to wait for the appropriate judgement of the psychologist of the US justice system.

Jim

3/8/2021 05:45:56 pm

"it was only one man on the site. Not two. The other man only consented but did not take action. Big difference, if you know about psychology."

You do not know this ! Stop presenting your presumptions as facts.

"Whether Gani Ndreu accompanied his friend up to New Hampshire is unclear from their tweets, though their posts made over the next few days make it clear they both knew what the plan was and what actions were to be carried out."

They were both involved in this whether or not they were both there. They may also have received aid from other "Q" types, it was offered.
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"Furthermore we learn, that both were QAnon believers BEFORE joining Twitter! How is this possible?"

Gee, I dunno Franke, maybe they were QAnon believers before joining Twitter, you know, just like it says !,,,,,,,,,, WTF
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"You are a terrorist if you threaten lives, not stones."

Sez who ? You sure like making up your own definitions of words and insisting that the world adhere to your own unique definitions.

"What qualifies as terrorism?
The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)."
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" It is obvious that he has mental problems."

Are you a trained psychiatrist ? Did you interview this fellow ?
What are your qualifications that you can give an accurate psychiatric assessment simply from reading a few tweets on Twitter ?

T. Franke link

3/9/2021 12:24:03 pm

Jim, I cornered you again, and you go mad. Let us stop here.

Kent

3/10/2021 09:11:01 pm

Jim might be interested to know that according to the incoming U.S. Attorney General anything that happens after dark or when other people aren't about isn't terrorism.

Charles Verrastro link

3/7/2021 04:16:33 pm

While any act of vandalism is heinous disturbing what is basically a roadside attraction and commercial tourist trap isn't like the Taliban destroying sacred Buddhist monuments. The real loss is it muddies any future attempt to date the site in a rigorously scientific way to dispel the myths.
I travelled from NY to Miami every year since I was born. I saw every scam from drain fields filled with pond scum and passed off as captured sea monsters to 'mummy mermaids' made from dessicated spider monkeys and manatee flippers. The wrestling Ape Farm was real. I wrestled the chimp but my brother grappled with a silverback gorilla. Only time I saw him pinned.
I think I mentioned once before I knew the best friend of the recluse who erected the locally famous Coral Castle. The AA 'theorists' claim it proves he discovered anti-gravity or was gifted with such technology by aliens. Most people don't know the monuments were moved to the present site when the original location was surrounded by urban sprawl (the second is too now). He simply borrowed his friend's truck and hired Cuban and Mexican day laborers to transport the stones to the new site. The stones in any case are relatively lightweight porous coral quarried right on the spot and their weight is always exaggerated more than Andre the Giant's. The first raising may well have been done by the creator alone, but as there are still the rusted remains of gas engines, pulleys, etc., it wouldn't have taken a miracle to simply lever up the stones into position. My brother and I when we did landscaping in Florida placed one ton coral blocks onto his truck with nothing but chains and a winch. No different than tow-trucks carting off vehicles.

Doc rock

3/9/2021 10:54:54 am

There have already been archaeological and historical investigations to dispel myths. They could do ten seasons of professional archaeological work there to further dispel myths and in year 11 there would still be people jabbering about phoenicians or templars or ancient aliens or whatever.

Jim

3/8/2021 10:05:40 pm

Scott Wolter is pulling the old Oak Island Roman Sword brass is brass and it's old because I say so argument out of his you know what.
He doesn't care that "Drake's Plate" has been proven to have been made by modern methods,,,, maybe he will do a white Paper ???

He is arguing with (see - making a fool out of himself) Author, Anthropologist, archaeologist, historian, Melissa Darby, who seems to have a good reputation.

https://twitter.com/RealScottWolter/status/1369017519588208640

Orm

3/9/2021 11:52:52 am

Mr. Language expert Wolter allowed someone on his blog to post under a name that is Swedish for Scott you Suck. That says it all.

Anthony G.

3/9/2021 03:34:26 pm

"Also the metal analysis done in 1977 confirms it was not an old piece of brass, I guess that is the most significant scientific evidence."

Roflmao!!! Come on, Jim. In 1977 Clovis was still a "Culture" and the chariot was thought to be invented by Egyptians 1800BC. Asteroids hitting the Earth was still considered pseudoscience. This is also around the same time Hoagland began making money from images of faces on Mars. He STILL is!!!

I'm not taking either side, I'm just not going to rely on science almost as old as I am. Quite a bit has changed in the past 44 years.

Jim

3/13/2021 09:36:06 am

Well Anthony, if you can disprove the science used as bad have at it. Perhaps take a good look at a photo on your cell phone and tell us how old the plate is.
Perhaps the earth is actually flat ? I mean it was thousands of years old science that showed the earth being round, must be wrong then huh ?

This is soooo easy Anthony, but still neither you nor the moronic Scott Wolter can see the painfully obvious.

The plate, when it was made, was manufactured without any material that could be carbon 14 testable.
Whatever material that that Wolter wants to date was acquired by the plate AFTER it was made and cannot possibly date the actual plate.
I can dig a hole thousands of years deep in only a half an hour, If I bury a 2020 quarter in this hole and some 1000 year old carbon dateable material clings to it, does that make the quarter 1000 years old ?

Get a grip Anthony, use just a tiny modicum of critical thinking or common sense rather than blindly supporting your pseudo hero.

Walter is making a complete ass out of himself and everyone with half a brain can see it.

This is a rare opportunity you won't see very often where Wolter ventured out of his safe place blog and tried to argue a point without being able to control what posts by his opponent are printed and seen.

Predictably Wolter had his ass handed to him and he is too stupid to even realize it because he is too stupid to understand the methods used by actual scientists to employ carbon dating.

The only thing Wolter said that was accurate was:

"its a no brainer"

Doc Rock

3/13/2021 09:43:51 am

The word culture as it relates to Clovis and archaeology refers to a cluster of similar archaeological materials in particular time and space.

Kent

3/13/2021 12:57:43 pm

"In 1977 Clovis was still a 'Culture'"

And it still is, because that's the terminology.

"and the chariot was thought to be invented by Egyptians 1800BC."

Not true.

"Asteroids hitting the Earth was still considered pseudoscience."

Gonna have to ask for proof of that.

"This is also around the same time Hoagland began making money from images of faces on Mars."

I suspect the evidence doesn't support that assertion. I'm surprised that you would go after a fellow paraiddlier.

Anthony G.

3/13/2021 01:01:25 pm

Jim,

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. Not only does the lady rely upon 44-year-old tests, she says, "I guess". Relying on old reports and guessing isn't going to get you too far. Most people would be laughed off this blog.

"Well Anthony, if you can disprove the science used as bad have at it. Perhaps take a good look at a photo on your cell phone and tell us how old the plate is.
Perhaps the earth is actually flat ? I mean it was thousands of years old science that showed the earth being round, must be wrong then huh ?"

Did you forget to take your meds?
Do you feel better now after your cellphone jab? More of your words you'll be eating soon. Covid has slowed down your crow eating party. There's a major difference between high resolution images from 2010 and today. I can only imagine the differences in metallurgy tests from 1977.

"This is soooo easy Anthony, but still neither you nor the moronic Scott Wolter can see the painfully obvious."

I had no idea any of this was going on. I am not on, nor do I use, Twitter. As usual, Scott's cyberstalker let everyone know what was going on. A quick read led to a deep belly laugh.

"Get a grip Anthony, use just a tiny modicum of critical thinking or common sense rather than blindly supporting your pseudo hero."

I'm not supporting anybody. I'm certainly not going to support a test almost as old as I am. Mr. Wolter is not my hero. That is reserved for my late Grandfather, Willis Carrier, and Jonas Salk.

"Walter is making a complete ass out of himself and everyone with half a brain can see it."

You can't even spell his name right. Have you looked into a mirror lately? You do this with every jab you take at us and our work.

[This is a rare opportunity you won't see very often where Wolter ventured out of his safe place blog and tried to argue a point without being able to control what posts by his opponent are printed and seen.

Predictably Wolter had his ass handed to him and he is too stupid to even realize it because he is too stupid to understand the methods used by actual scientists to employ carbon dating.]

Are you talking about yourself here? Are you too stupid to understand free? Are you too stupid to understand cartography? Are you too stupid to understand miniature Icons? Are you too stupid to realize we're being helped out by curators all over the world? Are you too stupid to realize my cell phone cost five times as much as a laptop? For that price it better be able to do something special.

All of the inscriptions and etchings found by my cellphone have been vindicated and verified by laser scans. All of the work done on maps will soon be verified by actual multispectral imaging. The multi-spectral imaging only needs to be done on a handful of maps. Some were so superbly made they can easily be revived with a cellphone alone.

The British Library could shock the world tomorrow. They own the 1025- 1050 Cotton World Map. The North American coastline is on the backside. Along with habitation icons and that trademarked "Hooked X" you and many others claimed was not medieval. Not to mention an area labeled, "Tara".

PLEASE, Jim!!! Keep talking out your ass. You are only publicly shaming yourself at this point.

Kent

3/13/2021 04:43:15 pm

Listen up, Mooncup. When Jim and I both point out that you are an idiot that's worth listening to.

"Most people would be laughed off this blog."

In a just world, yes, but you're still here. And sensible people are still laughing.

"More of your words you'll be eating soon."

That's a lie. Also known as the Wolter "Stay tuned!" strategy.

"There's a major difference between high resolution images from 2010 and today."

Tell us about those major differences. Don't hesitate to get technical.

"I can only imagine the differences in metallurgy tests from 1977."

"I can only imagine" would be on your coat of arms. To be clear, because you can literally only imagine.

"I'm certainly not going to support a test almost as old as I am."

I think you're confusing science with popular culture.

"Are you too stupid to realize we're being helped out by curators all over the world?"

Name ONE.

"Are you too stupid to realize my cell phone cost five times as much as a laptop?"

Bragging that you overspent? Not helping the cause.

"All of the inscriptions and etchings found by my cellphone have been vindicated and verified by laser scans."

Explain to us what a "laser scan" is. Don't hesitate to get technical.

"All of the work done on maps will soon be verified by actual multispectral imaging."

You already claimed that you did multi-spectral imaging with your cellphone.

Paul

3/13/2021 06:47:20 pm

Anthony, your gibberish is hardly worth a reply. Just a basic science thing. If you don’t know and can’t compare metal testing from 1977 and 2021, how in the hell can you assume to understand multi spectral analysis with your cell phone. Sounds pretty Star Trek wishful thinking or Photoshop. As for the rest, gibberish, not worth beginning a new paragraph. Sorry, Kent.

Anthony G.

3/15/2021 01:14:14 am

Paul's Anus Utilizes Language

I might actually care if you ever contributed anything other than put downs of Scott Wolter. I have never learned anything from you. Absolutely nothing. You usually show up to put down Mr. Wolter and the Templar narrative while actually promoting it at the same time. Keep up the Benedict Arnold building a windmill fallacy. The descendant of the 9th Grand Master of the Knights Templar. Arnold of Torroja. That windmill is found on over 300 works of cartography and counting. Everyone that's helped has been mentioned. We haven't published everything yet.

When Jim and kent are the two loudest lazy scholars in the room, you might want to think twice before joining them. Go ahead and pass up free. All of kent's questions are answered. Facebook and Academia. I would personally recommend Facebook as you're not slammed with so many animated ads.

Here is an article for you, Jim, which mentions the ink of the Vinland map.

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/19/science/did-the-vikings-stay-vatican-files-may-offer-clues.html

I wouldn't call all of these people Vikings. It's unfair to lump everybody into one group.

Now we have Orange Peter, Paul, and Canadian Mary. Who else wants to join the club? By all means, PLEASE keep putting me down instead of seeking out free information. FREE

Paul

3/9/2021 05:17:13 pm

Well, if Scottie had not crapped the bed, he could reach out to him who can not be named for a sample of the Drake plate. Sure there is likely one somewhere next to the Roman swords. Wolter does not have to argue to make a fool out of himself, all he has to do is open his mouth.Surprised that he doesn't have Templars on Drake's voyage, but then maybe he does, don't care.How many hoaxes does it take to prove another hoax? None, if you are Scottie, proof by assertion and that includes being a big ASS in that ASSertion.

Paul

3/9/2021 05:26:00 pm

Oh, I forgot to mention, if you ever need anything carbon dated, just get a hold of Scottie. He has spectroscopic eyes. Scottie can merely look at a piece and tell you by looking at the organic matter in the cracks how old it is. Could make a joke about butt cracks here but probably totally inappropriate.......

Kent

3/13/2021 02:48:25 pm

You can carbon date anything with a cellphone.

Jim

3/15/2021 09:51:10 am

Woeful Wolter still doesn't get it !
After Anthropologist and, archaeologist Melissa Darby told him basically the same thing I said regarding the the age of the soil clinging to a buried object. Woeful Wolter says what is on the plate after it is buried will give a minimum age date !!!
Does he think the plate itself produced carbon date able material ?
Maybe he thinks material was magically produced on the plate as soon as it was buried ?

"Melissa Darby
@lowercolumbia1·
14h
I asked the folks at Beta Analytic where I often send specimens for dating and they said: The soil an object is buried in may have already had some age to it when the artifact was placed. You can see soils are not the best material to try to use for dating something buried in it."

"Scott Wolter
@RealScottWolter
The buildup on the surface is secondary and developed on the surface after burial. I use Beta as well. This material will give a minimum age date. Do it please."

And here is the kicker, no one even knows if the material clinging to the plate is organic or not !
Wolter is just assuming it is.
Brass when exposed to moisture commonly produces a black oxidized crust, this is probably what this stuff is.

Since the holders of the plate (University of California, Berkeley) won't let the pseudo scientist Wolter conduct any tests on it, (and rightfully so, given his history) it seems Wolter is trying to use the well respected Melissa Darby as his surrogate to beg on his behalf for a useless test that cannot possibly show anything of relevance with regards to dating the plate.

" Do it please."

As a scientist he is completely blinded by his own false pseudo history, how he can not see such a simple and obvious thing is mind boggling.

Jim

3/15/2021 02:51:53 pm

Sorry I neglected to put up the link in my above post:

https://twitter.com/RealScottWolter/status/1371496238856699904

A couple of new posts. Scotty still trying to get Melissa Darby to do his pseudo science in his stead, she of course is having none of his nonsense:

"Melissa Darby
@lowercolumbia1
I would be embarrassed to even ask the Bancroft. It is a folly and you know it."

Doc Rock

3/17/2021 02:59:32 pm

Isn't that a common strategy for these loons. Demand that experts do something that is either really stupid or impossible and then when they take a pass, denounce them as being close-minded or part of the conspiracy to hide the truth.

Kent

3/24/2021 10:03:38 pm

Our Scott insists that SHE "Do the the test." Why does HE not "Do the test"? Maybe I should "Do the test", maybe Jim should "Do the test." Anthony Warren's a mental patient so he doesn't enter into the discussion. What does it mean to "Do the test"?

Jim

3/15/2021 10:32:47 am

For more, here is an excellent review from the Smithsonian of Melissa Darby's new Book about Drake and his journey "Thunder Go North" .

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/did-francis-drake-really-land-california-180973219/?no-cache

Jim

3/15/2021 07:45:31 pm

O M G,,,, Wolters twitter feed is a riot !!!

He has gone and done it !,,,,,,,,,,,, He has finally put Templars and aliens together.

" The Templars were definitely onto to something; could they also have tapped into ET’s in some way?"

https://twitter.com/RealScottWolter/status/1371461264514416640

MissiC

8/1/2021 11:29:58 am

Thank you to Anthony G, Jim and T Franke!! BRAVO! 👏 encore encore!

Ok….i am So happy my internet travels this morning led me to this page! Very neat little corner of intellectual cyberspace! Very entertaining! This was actually a VERY informative discourse with just enough tension to keep me reading!….., of course ….could have done without the attacks on persons participating… as lacking intelligence or stupid, (but wasn’t from you three, your disses were witty, facetious, and purposeful! Also-I still felt they contained compassion for the human on the receiving end )what you all are discussing is way beyond my personal paradigm of science or sphere of knowledge, but felt the cracking of some of my old biases/beliefs about science from all of your useful and interesting links….
But ya"……..thanks for the entertainment and education!