This week, my 70-something aunt said that she and my uncle weren’t concerned about coronavirus or the precautions in place to prevent its spread because she believes it is a Democratic Party hoax to take down Donald Trump after impeachment failed. She thinks the whole world is conspiring to fake the disease to hurt Trump. My father told me that a friend of his said his ex-wife has the same belief. As my aunt and uncle aged, they moved steadily to the right, going from blue collar Democrats who proudly framed photos of themselves with Clintons in the 1990s to staunch Republicans after 9/11 and becoming die-hard Trump supporters in 2016 thanks to a combination of nationalism, xenophobia, and cultural anxieties. So that’s where we are as a country. Regular Fox News consumers have developed bizarre ideas about what the network had called the “Virus Impeachment Scam” until late last week, and now there’s no good way to undo it. Meanwhile, we might as well talk about something a little less apocalyptic, like an actual apocalypse—at least a small one. In Science Reports last week, geologist James Kennett and a team of researchers reported that their reevaluation of material taken in the 1960s from the ancient Syrian site of Abu Hureya, where evidence for the transition from hunting and gathering to farming was first observed, shows that the prehistoric village had been destroyed by a cosmic impact, such as the fragments of the comet hypothesized to have hit the Earth during the Younger Dryas, around 10,500 BCE, creating what researchers term the “Younger Dryas boundary,” composed of various types of debris. The existence of this comet impact is controversial, and scientific opinion remains divided, with most archaeologists, for example, reporting little evidence for the hypothesized impact in the records of ancient human occupation sites. According to Kennett, the village shows evidence of having been suddenly destroyed by a wave of intense heat that left behind a layer of meltglass that formed at temperatures of 2200°C or higher. According to Phys.org: "The critical materials are extremely rare under normal temperatures, but are commonly found during impact events," Kennett said. According to the study, the meltglass was formed "from the nearly instantaneous melting and vaporization of regional biomass, soils and floodplain deposits, followed by instantaneous cooling." Additionally, because the materials found are consistent with those found in the YDB layers at the other sites across the world, it's likely that they resulted from a fragmented comet, as opposed to impacts caused by individual comets or asteroids. I obviously have no way of evaluating the strength of such a claim since I am not a geologist. But I can say that the evidence from Abu Hureyra does not support Graham Hancock’s claim that the proposed comet wiped out an Atlantis-like civilization, as advocates of Hancock’s view have implied on social media over the past days. For one thing, Abu Hureyra is still there for us to look at. Hancock alleges that the comet totally obliterated every trace of Atlantis’s global culture, down to the last screw and grain of pollen. And yet the village of Abu Hureyra remained for archaeologists to excavate. A culture like Atlantis that supposedly had outposts across the globe therefore had to have left something behind if a small settlement in the middle of nowhere managed the trick.
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Jim Vieira
3/20/2020 10:03:47 am
My experience is that many people interested in ancient mysteries are progressive minded spiritual seekers who look back at ancient cultures attempting to ascertain examples of a more benevolent and connected way of living. They are open to esoteric ideas but I would not classify them as anti-scientific. I think it is an error to group them in with the right leaning ancient white supermen idea that we owe all our cultural advancements to some superior race. The Qanon conspiratorial lunatics will never change their minds and fail to realize that their preferences are weaponized by all the worthless propaganda they digest at Fox or other outlets that rot their brains. The real debate about ancient civilizations should be carried out by people who can look at these things objectively and include science with alternative ideas. The YDIH seems to show that a cataclysm did occur around Plato’s date for the sinking of Atlantis. Is it possible that there was a continent in the middle of the Atlantic that was advanced and co-existed with lesser advanced cultures much like we exist along with indigenous tribes in the Amazon? Then after this catastrophe survivors took their knowledge to places around the world to jumpstart civilization. This did not have to be a global anti-diluvian culture. The skeptical response usually is that plate tectonics does not allow for such a continent to have existed but I would counter that plate tectonics appears to have fatal flaws and may not be incontrovertible as once thought. Testing samples from the Mid-Atlantic range to see if portions were dry land 13,000 years ago would be a good start. The moral to the story is that all people interested in ancient mysteries don’t worship a perverted sociopathic orange pumpkin head. I think the real debate here is best undertaken by objectively oriented skeptics and alternative minded researchers. Jason, I appreciate your intellect and honest debunking but it would be nice to see you turn your abilities to a more balanced assessment of these topics. Televisions shows that you critique are mostly derived from the minds of producers who rely on fantasy, dry humps and false promises to keep the audience tuning in. They are entertainment and not scientifically oriented unfortunately. Unless of course I am helping to produce a show like the Lost Colony of Roanoke specials which I know you secretly love. People get off on shitting on each other but I think it’s a waste of time and that interest in the past should not devolve into that.
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orang
3/20/2020 11:36:02 am
"...plate tectonics appears to have fatal flaws..."
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Captain Cardiff
3/20/2020 07:35:27 pm
Good science is already objective and open to alternative ideas. But in this regard alternative does not involve changing the rules of the game in how science is done just to accomodate every completely unsubstantiated pet claim that comes along. Those who want to change the rules of science to a)everybody gets to play no matter how badly they suck at it, b) and everybody gets the same participation trophy for playing in a game they were unqualified to be in to begin with, c) and anybody can change any rule when convenient are just going to have to live with the disappointment of being running punchlines.
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Bezalel
3/20/2020 10:27:22 pm
+1
Aaaa
3/21/2020 06:51:42 am
Science is soon up for a major change. Time to understand that there is no objective reality and everything is subjective. Reality is affected by the observer.
Jessica Sorrow
3/21/2020 07:58:27 am
Either ten feet tall giants exist or they don't. Either a fantastically advanced civilization existed in North America or it didn't. The Sphinx is either 10,000 plus years or it isn't. Either ancient aliens built baalbek as a UFO landing strip or they didn't. Either Templars were running about North America dallying with Indian maidens or they weren't. That is objective reality 101.
Bezalel
3/22/2020 11:41:58 pm
Science ALWAYS changes when new information....verified, tested, evidence-based information...comes in.
Kent
3/21/2020 03:16:09 am
This is old, discredited talk. The short version is "No."
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Michel
3/20/2020 01:25:25 pm
Can’t Atlantis be under the waters of Atlantic Ocean?
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An Anonymous Nerd
3/20/2020 05:21:24 pm
The "Atlantis" of the Fringe imagination is a hyper-diffusionist super-civilization. This Atlantis didn't exist and therefore is not under the Atlantic Ocean. We know this Atlantis didn't exist because there are no traces of it. Everything that is taken as being traces of, or evidence of, Atlantis, or any similar culture, is better-explained elsewhere.
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TONY S.
3/21/2020 12:49:05 am
There is also the fact that Plato himself says the story is made up.
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Kent
3/21/2020 03:49:00 pm
Tony, you've triggered the historico-critical alarm by stating the plain truth that Plato says Atlantis is a story about a story about someone telling someone else a story.
Doc Rock
3/20/2020 02:07:58 pm
I'm not a Trump fan and I think that Trish Regan who pushed the scam/hoax virus spin the most has the IQ of a freshly shucked oyster. However, the scam/hoax discourse that I have seen is in reference to the assertion that Democrats and the media have tried to spin the narrative in order to place all the blame for the handling of the situation on Trump. It's not an issue of the disease being faked.
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Kent
3/20/2020 04:14:44 pm
And here is, let's be honest, an idiot lawyer from MSNBC:
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Walter
3/20/2020 05:47:14 pm
MSNBC and CNN led the way in fielding talking heads who gushed over the prospect of Stormy Daniel's lawyer running for President. They also screeched the loudest that Trump was going to start a nuclear war with China because he took a phone call from the leader of Taiwan. They said Trump was going to start a war by ordering the dropping of a bomb in Syria but then accused him of enabling genocide for refusing to embroil large numbers of US troops in a ground war there. They were also willing to allot plenty of air time to apologists for violence by ANTIFA.
Kent
3/20/2020 07:53:05 pm
Too true. There are unlimited idiots on both teams. Looking at you Joe Sweaterburgers and Lady Motorboat.
An Anonymous Nerd
3/20/2020 05:40:09 pm
[[However, the scam/hoax discourse that I have seen is in reference to the assertion that Democrats and the media have tried to spin the narrative in order to place all the blame for the handling of the situation on Trump. It's not an issue of the disease being faked. ]]
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Doc Rock
3/20/2020 10:09:34 pm
Nerd,
An Anonymous Nerd
3/22/2020 11:36:32 am
["what I have seen"]
Doc Rock
3/22/2020 01:09:45 pm
Well, if you have to look really well for any particular representation then what does that say about how common they are? And since you seem preoccupied with stupid stuff from the right wing media as opposed to considering both sides of the coin in relation to the current situation then aren't you being much more selective than I am?
An Anonymous Nerd
3/23/2020 11:05:36 am
[Well, if you have to look really well for any particular representation then what does that say about how common they are?]
Doc Rock
3/23/2020 02:30:30 pm
You have lost me here and continue to be quite selective in how you interpet by remarks. I would suggest that you try to persuade Jason to re-write the original article in a manner that your comments would then become both relevant and accurate in terms of responding to what I specifically posted in response to what Jason specifically said.
An Anonymous Nerd
3/26/2020 07:45:14 am
"Doc" Rock: I am afraid nothing in your most-recent reply on this thread qualifies as a legitimate issue or question about the material.
William Fitzgerald
3/20/2020 10:05:25 pm
Amen, Doc Rock.
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Doc Rock
3/21/2020 04:34:03 pm
William,
Kent
3/21/2020 06:46:36 pm
This lifelong Republican ("Nixon's the One!") has always been in favor of gay marriage, marijuana legalization, fewer and ideally no wars in accord with Adams's dictum to not "go abroad in search of monsters to destroy."
TONY S.
3/22/2020 09:27:44 pm
Kent,
Van Meter
3/24/2020 06:47:56 am
Nobody here has conducted a content analysis based on a scientific sampling of media coverage of the outbreak. Without that you are all playing with monopoly money.
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Doc Rock
3/24/2020 03:58:21 pm
Van,
An Anonymous Nerd
3/27/2020 10:48:30 am
You're not wrong, of course, that a more-rigorous analysis would be preferable. The specific methods can vary. Until then, though, we just use what we have.
Kent
3/20/2020 02:12:47 pm
"Regular Fox News consumers have developed bizarre ideas about what the network had called the “Virus Impeachment Scam” until late last week, and now there’s no good way to undo it."
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E.P. Grondine
3/20/2020 04:03:10 pm
Hi Jason -
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Kent
3/20/2020 05:31:43 pm
This is old, discredited talk. The short version is "No." Those interested in reading bad language which I will not reproduce can look here:
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E,P, Grondine
3/24/2020 11:04:43 am
All rebutted, Kent. Usually in the journal in which they published.
Ziggy Stardust
3/24/2020 02:52:24 pm
Isn't Cosmic Tusk the blog where they are claiming that the Coronavirus came from outer space.
Jim
3/24/2020 05:55:43 pm
Perhaps the alien vampires that David Childress talks about brought the Coronavirus from outer space.
Kent
3/24/2020 09:37:09 pm
"All rebutted, Kent. Usually in the journal in which they published."
E.P. Grondine
3/25/2020 01:48:56 pm
Kent, there was a time I would respond to your nonsense point by point, butt those days are over. i have no responsibility to set you as an individual straight.
Kent
3/25/2020 03:42:33 pm
There is no "height gene".
E.P. Grondine
3/26/2020 10:48:12 am
well hi, Kent -
Kent
3/26/2020 01:42:18 pm
Executive Summary: I don't really care.
E.P. Grondine
3/26/2020 11:30:57 pm
Well, Kent -
E.P. Grondine
3/27/2020 01:00:56 pm
"Sounds like you patronize some mighty peculiar salons"
Paul
3/24/2020 06:36:45 pm
No, no, no and no again. Proof, actual proof, not some pseudo historical mumbo jumbo. Claims like that are not worth the bandwidth they take up. With any luck, during the virus lockdown, you will actually take in some genuine science and history.
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Darold knowles
3/20/2020 05:21:21 pm
It’s a good thing Jason recently modified the posting policy, because under the old regime, this would have quickly degenerated into the bitterest, ugliest exchange in the history of the blog — and that’s saying something. Then again, given the likely dire outcome of the pandemic, perhaps Jason should go ahead and reopen the floodgates and let people “enjoy” the limited time of relative normalcy they have left.
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Bagger Vance
3/20/2020 08:46:43 pm
Not really. Some of the ugliest and extended flame wars here have occurred over trivial things. We have yet to see someone try to correct someone on a minor grammatical error, slight lapse in logic, or small factual error only to flip out when their own error is pointed out by someone else. So far so good as long as participants stay on point and meet the relatively low standard of civility for discussing important topics. Otherwise we can easily imagine what comments are being deleted by the moderator.
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Darold knowles
3/21/2020 12:02:22 am
You may be right about that. I’ll add that a big part of me feels sorry for these MAGA people who are now experiencing the total collapse of their ideological bubble. It’s natural that they would try to put perfume on a turd after they’ve committed themselves so completely around a cult of personality. But soon, none of it will matter as we’ll all be in the soup together. I’m not going to waste my time rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Joe Scales
3/21/2020 10:51:32 am
Jason,
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Mad Anthony
3/21/2020 03:27:21 pm
It is common for writers to use anecdotes about family and friends to pursue a particular point. They are often not flattering. Had Jason written a piece based on what his naive brother-in-law believes and the topic wasn't a goring of your ox then you probably wouldn't have much to say.
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Kent
3/21/2020 04:54:23 pm
Sometimes those family and friends don't even exist. An example is at
Mad Anthony
3/21/2020 06:37:45 pm
Not a Martin Luther fan?
Jim
3/21/2020 07:15:28 pm
Bullocks
E,P, Grondine
3/24/2020 11:25:04 am
Hello again, Kent, I type with extreme difficulty, but your confusion, which you insist on sharing, with others here, leads me to respond.
Kent
3/24/2020 10:11:18 pm
Mr. Grondine:
Paul
3/21/2020 06:39:53 pm
Two claims being made, one Atlantis was real. Some people believe in magical unicorns. Both have about the same basis in reality. As for not believing in tectonics, tell that to folks living in earthquake zones.
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Kent
3/21/2020 11:28:36 pm
We had earthquakes long before people started theorizing about techtonics, and you may even be making a connection that isn't there.
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An Anonymous Nerd
3/22/2020 11:46:57 am
Oh by the way: For those of you spouting the notion that it's somehow natural to get more Conservative when you get older, know that according to one of the standard textbooks on party politics in the US (Hershey's "Party Politics in America") for the most part party identification remains stable over time. Sure certain individuals can change their views but in general it remains stable and it's not a natural or inevitable process.
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Paul
3/22/2020 01:33:44 pm
What about those conspiracy-mined (whatever they are) folks on the left who think there is a conspiracy on the right? Blows your theory apart.
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An Anonymous Nerd
3/23/2020 11:23:12 am
So, based on this statement, it is your position that the mere existence of conspiracy-minded folks on the Left "blows apart" the theory that the process of party sorting favors those of a conspiracy-minded nature tend to get sorted to the Right.
Paul
3/23/2020 02:00:09 pm
Your reply aptly demonstrates that there is a left fringe. No other comment necessary.
I miss Ted koppel
3/23/2020 04:47:32 pm
One can find as many questionable claims and muckraking on CNN and MSNBC as on Fox news. Large left-leaning newspapers have had to retract or revise comments made about Trump and others on the right on multiple occasions. There is no need to look to obscure fringe left-wing sources to find irresponsible reporting or editorializing. It is right there in sources that most viewers would think of as mainstream news sources. It is an argument in which the pot and kettle are arguing which is the blackest with each party having a vested interest in being less black.
Wu Who
3/25/2020 08:18:50 pm
Even Slate magazine has criticized the tendency by some in the leftist media to over zealously slam Trump's efforts to combat the coronavirus while giving China a pass or even praising China. See, "China is not the hero of the pandemic".
An Anonymous Nerd
3/26/2020 07:51:14 am
[One can find as many questionable claims and muckraking on CNN and MSNBC as on Fox news.]
An Anonymous Nerd
3/26/2020 12:36:57 pm
[Your reply aptly demonstrates that there is a left fringe. No other comment necessary. ]
An Anonymous Nerd
4/2/2020 02:40:26 pm
[Even Slate magazine has criticized the tendency by some in the leftist media to over zealously slam Trump's efforts to combat the coronavirus while giving China a pass or even praising China. See, "China is not the hero of the pandemic". ]
Doc Rock
3/26/2020 11:02:35 pm
Anonymous Nerd:
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An Anonymous Nerd
3/27/2020 10:38:00 am
"Doc" Rock:
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E.P. Grondine
3/27/2020 01:07:11 pm
Hi Doc -
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An Anonymous Nerd
4/1/2020 10:20:26 am
And, yet more.
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