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New Scientific Paper Offers Evidence for Younger Dryas Conflagration; Lost Civilization Believers Immediately Lay Claim to Findings

2/7/2018

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​[Update: This evening Graham Hancock announced that John Anthony West has died. "He beat the cancer, but the fight took too much out of him and he has moved on now, with great dignity and style, to his next great adventure. I love him, I admire him and I consider him to be a great light in the world that has by no means gone out."] According to the Daily Grail, alternative archaeologist John Anthony West, 85, will be taken off a ventilator tomorrow when he is moved to hospice care. West had been in declining health for more than a year after forgoing conventional cancer treatments in favor of untested alternative care. West, who worked as a tour guide in Egypt for many years, came to prominence 25 years ago when his book reprising some of the claims made by occultist Schwaller de Lubicz about the age of the Great Sphinx earned him a slot on NBC’s 1993 documentary The Mystery of the Sphinx. While West made few original contributions to historiography, his passion for the subject helped to popularize a particular vision of ancient Egypt as the receptacle of wisdom from a lost civilization such as Atlantis.
​Meanwhile, Graham Hancock and his fans are claiming victory in the battle to control perceptions of the past after a recent journal article concluded that a comet struck the Earth around 10,000 BCE and created a massive fire wall that consumed 10% of the Earth’s land surface. The two-part article, “Extraordinary Biomass-Burning Episode and Impact Winter Triggered by the Younger Dryas Cosmic Impact ~12,800 Years Ago,” was published in the Journal of Geology and had 24 coauthors, many from the Comet Research Group. (Part One and Part Two; full text here.) In it, the authors tested sediments from four locations across the Earth: “In four ice-core sequences from Greenland, Antarctica, and Russia, similar anomalous peaks in other combustion aerosols occur, including nitrate, oxalate, acetate, and formate, reflecting one of the largest biomass-burning episodes in more than 120,000 y[ears].”
 
In publishing copies of the papers, George Howard of The Cosmic Tusk claimed that the papers were a major step in shifting global paradigms. “The work below in Two Parts and published in the Journal of Geology is a masterpiece. Michelangelo’s sense of relief and accomplishment on the last brush stroke of the Sistine Chapel can compare to the satisfaction enjoyed by the lead authors of this paper. […] A great intellectual cleansing is underway. Tired old ideas, such as the notion that the heavens are simply our pleasant backdrop, rather than our regular antagonist, are being swept away.”
 
I have no opinion on the reality of the comet collision. It is a question of geology beyond my expertise. But I do have an opinion on Graham Hancock implying that he deserves any sort of credit for the claim that a comet hit the Earth at the start of the Younger Dryas.
 
As should be obvious, Graham Hancock did not invent the claim. He merely reported on and adopted the claim made by the members of the Comet Research Group and used it to replace his earlier claim, that the Earth’s crust slid across the planet’s surface, that he had borrowed from Charles Hapgood (who derived it, ultimately, from Brasseur de Bourbourg—but that’s another story). The Comet Research Group’s hypothesis is the latest in a long line of similar claims.
 
Nor did Hancock invent the claim that such a comet, should it have existed, was remembered in the mythology of ancient peoples as the titanic force that destroyed a lost civilization such as Atlantis. Most directly, he borrowed that claim from Andrew Collins, who had published it in the 1990s. But it is the same claim we find in Immanuel Velikovsky’s works (with a comet-like Venus substituting). That, in turn, was a reworking of material from Atlantis theorist Ignatius Donnelly’s Ragnarok, which was a book-length argument that a comet had struck basically exactly where Hancock and the Comet Research Group put it and that it was responsible for the end of Atlantis and the formation of world mythologies. Going back still further, Edmund Halley proposed that a comet collided with the Earth and wiped out the antediluvian high civilizations by causing Noah’s Flood. He made that claim in the 1600s. Any of these authors deserve credit ahead of Hancock, whose true genius is repackaging other people’s work and associating it with himself by calling his conclusions the results of passionate investigation.
 
But there is a deeper problem here: The impact of a comet proves nothing about the existence of Atlantis, a lost civilization, the antediluvian world, or any of the other high cultures men like Hancock use to populate the past. The comet would have hit whether or not Atlantis existed, and with no evidence for its existence, we cannot use the comet to argue that it did.
 
Besides, the new findings directly contradict ancient mythology. The stories Hancock has consistently associated with the end of the last Ice Age involved a great flood, not a fiery conflagration. Surely a fire that consumed 10% of the Earth would be something that would have made an impression. Ignatius Donnelly at least tried to shoehorn in a great conflagration by identifying the fiery death of Phaeton in Greek mythology with the crash of the comet, but only because Plato had said in the Timaeus that the Egyptians believed the myth to represent a great conflagration that destroyed all of the Earth except Egypt; however, this destruction, they said, was not the great flood that supposedly marked the end of the antediluvian world. No Flood myth has terrifying walls of fire destroying much of the Earth, a significant weakness if we are meant to argue that Flood myths are actually fiery comet myths. Indeed, ancient myths specifically state that fire is the destructive force for the next disaster. Berossus said so, and so did the Enochian myth of the prophecy of fire and flood. The medieval Arab-Islamic pyramid myth agreed.
 
But the effort to make Atlantis real dies hard. Would it surprise you to learn that the new In Search Of series starring Zachary Quinto is planning to revisit the tired old story of Atlantis? I found this out when the producers of the show contacted me last night to invite me onto the program to offer a “dissenting voice” to the claim that Atlantis really existed. We’ll see how that turns out.
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Mary Baker
2/7/2018 09:58:34 am

I don't understand one phrase. Were there Tories living on Atlantis? ;)

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Jason Colavito link
2/7/2018 10:11:47 am

It's a typo. It should say "story."

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Riley V
2/8/2018 01:04:59 am

“Tories” would explain the end of Atlantis. Cuts to NHS and no pay rises for ten years. Giving primary and secondary schools over to for profit corporations. No wonder Atlantis no longer exists. Did the vote for an “Atlexit”?

Joe Scales
2/7/2018 10:43:49 am

"I found this out when the producers of the show contacted me last night to invite me onto the program to offer a “dissenting voice” to the claim that Atlantis really existed. We’ll see how that turns out."

Just don't let them tilt the camera angle when you're on, like they do on 60 Minutes... uh... I mean Batman.. like when in the Joker's lair.

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Machala
2/7/2018 10:46:50 am

So, let me get this straight...Hancock is now claiming that it was a comet that caused the demise of Atlantis and not a flood of biblical proportions ? Let's see...he's proposed, at one time or another that : earthquakes destroyed this mythic city; it was inundated by a flood, and now, it was incinerated by a comet ?
Why not a hurricane, or a mudslide ? Or maybe, as some fringers believe, an alien built weapon, or an advanced civilization's atomic bomb ?

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Jason Colavito link
2/7/2018 11:10:59 am

In "Magicians of the Gods" his claim was that the comet caused massive flooding and tsunamis that sank his lost civilization. Now, he is promoting this new research as confirming his ideas, though he hadn't proposed a massive fire beforehand.

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Americanegro
2/7/2018 12:36:56 pm

"[T]he effort to make Atlantis real dies hard."

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David Bradbury link
2/7/2018 03:41:51 pm

Curiously, the theory as presented in the new paper does not have to be inconsistent with Hancock's theory. The proposal that multiple comet fragments entered the atmosphere, and at least some struck the surface, allows both for general and local effects. Local: intense short-term heating resulting in phenomena such as wildfires or icecap melting, depending on the impact location; general: all the smoke from the fires dims the sun, and makes the average temperature cooler in the medium term- but not in the long term, so most of the icecap damage remains in effect, raising sea levels.
The sea-level rise and the dimmed sunlight would be observed in places which were nowhere near any of the impact-generated wildfires.

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Bill Birkeland
2/10/2018 01:39:03 pm

David wrote:

"...so most of the icecap damage remains in effect, raising sea levels.
The sea-level rise and the dimmed sunlight would be observed in
places which were nowhere near any of the impact-generated wildfires."

The problem with relating any hypothesized Younger Dryas impact event with either sea level rise or terrestrial megafloods is that the major meltwater pulses and associated rapid rises in sea level occurred either long before or after the start of the Younger Dryas. For example, the largest meltwater pulse, meltwater pulse 1A, occurred between 13,500 and 14,700 calendar years ago with its peak at about 13,800 calendar years ago, which predates the hypothesized Younger Dryas impact. Thus, flooding due to rapid sea level rise cannot be an result of it. Similarly, meltwater pulse 1A occurred about 11,300 calendar years ago and, thus, too young to be associated such an impact event. Similarly, the last of the Missoula megafloods occurred between 18,200 and 14,000 years ago. Thus, they like many other Pleistocene megafloods are much too old to be have been created by the melting of the Laurentide ice sheet by an extraterrestrial impact as argued by Hancock and Carlson. go see:

Balbas, A.M., Barth, A.M., Clark, P.U., Clark, J., Caffee, M., O'Connor, J., Baker, V.R., Konrad, K. and Bjornstad, B., 2017. 10Be dating of late Pleistocene megafloods and Cordilleran Ice Sheet retreat in the northwestern United States. Geology, 45(7), pp. 583-586.
.org/gsa/geology/article-abstract/45/7/583/207857/10be-dating-of-late-pleistocene-megafloods-and

Overall, the Comet Research Group have been their own worst enemies and greatly devalued their credibility by associating themselves with Graham Hancock's pseudoscience

Bill Birkeland
2/10/2018 01:42:15 pm

Correction.

In the above comment, I meant to say "Similarly, meltwater pulse 1B occurred about 11,300 calendar years ago."

Jim
2/7/2018 12:13:23 pm

It got so durned hot down in South America that it boiled peoples brains, thus creating conehead skulls.

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E.P. Grondine
2/7/2018 12:21:42 pm

"But the effort to make Atlantis real dies hard. Would it surprise you to learn that the new In Search Of series starring Zachary Quinto is planning to revisit the tired old story of Atlantis? I found this out when the producers of the show contacted me last night to invite me onto the program to offer a “dissenting voice” to the claim that Atlantis really existed. We’ll see how that turns out."

Go for it, just recycle L.Sprague de Camp and there you go.

Jason, my guess is that if you were to undertake an English translation of Al Idrisi, you and your family could be in Sicily right now, instead of freezing in upstate New York.

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Hanslune
2/7/2018 05:29:57 pm

Interesting Jason, however if the fringe jump on fire doing in the 'lost seacost' civilizations'?

10% is actually a pretty insignificant portion of the earth obviously.

Climate change over long periods of time is certainly not something that will sell a lot of books.

Hancock will have to come up with something that brings out a double whammy, firestorm and biblical style flooding........

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Americanegro
2/7/2018 07:51:49 pm

"He beat the cancer."

Graham Hancock is an idiot.

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Riley V
2/8/2018 01:09:09 am

Exactly.
There is a name for alternative medicine that works. It is called medicine.

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RealWellKnownProf.
2/10/2018 01:51:04 pm

Well said!
So much for the wacky jungle plant shite instead of conventional medicine.
Funny; 'coz at the top of MrHandCock's website, there is STILL a crowd-sourcing banner for the late Mr West flashing away every few seconds.
Hmmmm?

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T. Franke link
2/8/2018 03:17:39 pm

It is quite obvious that there is no talk of a comet in Plato's Atlantis dialogues, but of the sun! The sun chariot represents the sun, of course. And the Egyptian priest in Plato's dialogue explicitly says that the comparison to the myth is valid only for the sun coming closer to the earth, or being more far away -- but the comparison does NOT include the fall of Phaeton onto earth. It is really quite obvious that there is no talk of a comet.

I wrote this already in 2013 in my internet article on Dante and Atlantis, which was published in 2016 in my book "Kritische Geschichte ...", cf. p. 538 f.

And I included this rejection of the idea of a comet into one of my videos, see here (should start at minute 10:34):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0zknWW49yo&feature=youtu.be&t=10m34s

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Constantinos Ragazas
2/8/2018 09:48:35 pm

What is known about the direction of these fiery commet fragments raining down on the Northern Hemisphere? Where they coming down from the NE? Or some other direction.

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Epimethee
2/9/2018 06:30:32 am

I think you were a bit fast to describe every ekpyrosis as future. I won't dwell on the problem of the cyclical Great Year that can certainly be seen as something of the past as much as something of the future. I have no time yet to dwell as deep as you in this part of the question. Nevertheless...

According to Toufic Fahd, at least an arabic legend say that God destroyed a first humanity who stated that they would not follow the vicar of god after his coming. A corresponding legend exist in jewish lore, but this time the angels, bar Michael and Gabriel are destroyed because they don't care about the foretold coming of humanity.

Some, like Sergent and Le Quellec in their recent and really exhaustive "Dictionnaire critique de Mythologie" (CNRS 2017) notice that the ekpyrosis is fairly common in siberian lore, even in the form of a liquid fire, and ask if it could be an indo-european mytheme, seeing that you can find it in ancient Iran an India. For example, in caucasian lore it take the form of a kind of false snow that burned the Ats'an dwarf. The survivor where changed in frogs and serpents. This false snow was mentionned by Herodotus in scythian traditions, according to Dumezil.
The list goes really on and on, in Welsh triade, after the break of the Llyon pond, an earthquake open the ground as deep as Hell, then the summer calcinate grass and peoples.

There is a lot more all around te world (but very few in Africa), this myth is really common in America and particularly in South America. (like in Arawak myths, or around the revenge of the Lady loon in north America) So, as much as i don't want to give arguments to the fringe, i'm not so sure about your caracterisation of fire as strictly the next cataclysm in myths.

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2/9/2018 06:37:33 am

Like to subscribe to this blog.

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henry
2/9/2018 01:14:05 pm

Jason Colavito is a petty, miserable, ugly and condescending cocksucka , you piece of shit, your time is almost up. Anybody who follows this loser is just the same, all good to point out other peoples gaps, and short comings, and challenge peoples views, but you Colavito are just a miserable fuck

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henrysmellsofdogtwsticles
2/10/2018 01:57:35 pm

My oh my, what a lovely person you are indeed.

Have to laugh because you end up being exactly what you accuse Jason and 'followers of; by your own words!
Perhaps read what you type first? Duuuur.

I can feel that bitterness from here Henrietta.
Or are you another of Hancock's jungle plant gang, as mentioned elsewhere in the comments?

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2/21/2018 06:33:09 pm

And a...Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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