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News Roundup: No More AlienCon, Alternative Archaeology Is Dying, and More!

10/18/2023

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​The History Channel has canceled the semi-annual Alien Con after nearly a decade. A representative told New York Post journalist Steven Greenstreet that the company would instead focus on its Ancient Aliens and Secret of Skinwalker Ranch touring live shows because they make more money. “We make money on the tours,” a spokesperson for History’s parent company, A+E Networks, said. And of course they do. The traveling shows feature a few guys sitting in chairs, and even orthopedic chairs cost less than all the overhead that goes into putting on a full convention with all the trimmings, especially as the shows’ ratings decline and the incentive to travel a thousand miles to a convention declines. It’s much easier to get casually interested audiences to go to a local show.
​Perhaps that’s also the reason that former Pentagon UFO hunter James Lacatski self-published his new book about hunting UFOs for the Pentagon with Colm Kelleher and George Knapp and is promoting it on Knapp’s and Jermey Corbell’s Weaponized podcast rather than in the New York Times. Indeed, the authors of the new book—which is partially a copy-paste of sections of the team’s previous book, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon—have appeared on Knapp’s and Corbell’s podcast and NewsNation, the pro-UFO cable channel owned by Knapp’s employers, but not in major mainstream media. In other words, they are selling an inferior product to a niche audience, much like latter-day Ancient Aliens and its declining audience of 600,000 or so Americans.
 
In the book and on Corbell’s podcast, Lacatski asserted that the U.S. possesses an alien spacecraft of remarkable construction:
He stated that the United States was in possession of a craft of unknown origin and had successfully gained access to its interior. This craft had a streamlined configuration suitable for aerodynamic flight but no intakes, exhaust, wings, or control surfaces. In fact, it appeared not to have an engine, fuel tanks, or fuel.
​If the claim seems familiar, it’s because it’s an old one. Silas Newtown came up with the same claim in creating a hoax about a crashed saucer in late 1949, which Variety reporter Frank Scully included in his book on UFOs, Behind the Flying Saucers, a few months later:
Apparently there was no door to what unquestionably was the cabin. The outside surface showed no marking of any sort, except for a broken porthole, which appeared on first examination to be of glass. On closer examination we found it was a good deal different from any glass in this country. […]  With this ship on the ground we could not help but be aware of the fact that it looked like a huge saucer, and you might almost say that there was a cup in it, because the cabin set in an insert in the bottom of the saucer. The over-all dimensions of the ship were found to be a fraction short of 100 feet in diameter. To be exact it measured 99 99/100 feet wide. From the outer tip of the wing, which was entirely circular, to the bottom of the saucer, measuring in an imaginary line vertically, was 27 inches. The cabin which was entirely round, was 18 feet across, and 72 inches in height. Exactly 45 inches of the cabin was exposed above the outer rim of the saucer. […] On getting into the ship, the doctor said, their first objective was to decide, if they could, how the ship was propelled. He was the first to suggest that it probably flew on magnetic lines of force. 
​And, of course, Newton claimed that government officials gained entry to the craft despite there being no obvious door—just as Lacatski also alleges.
 
The similarities are rather striking, particularly because Newton’s hoax, exposed by the FBI and True magazine back in the 1950s, continues to circulate as a “true” account in UFO circles. It would not be the first time a ufologist mistook an old hoax for a government report, particularly since there are actual government documents referencing Newton’s claims as various agencies investigated the allegations.
 
The allure of UFOs and space aliens, particularly now that Congress is still pursuing UFO disclosure amidst all the chaos in Washington—House Republicans scheduled a classified meeting with various inspectors general to discuss David Grusch’s claims of secret spacecraft—and the spillover seems to be impacting the broader community of purveyors of fake facts. Sam Osmanagich, the promoter of some natural hills in Bosnia as ancient pyramids and formerly a regular on Ancient Aliens, has long been a believer in virtually every New Age claim, but after lying fallow for several years, he has reemerged by foregrounding his ancient astronaut ideas. He told Michael Salla this week that ancient pyramids are communication devices used by space aliens.
 
Osmanagich had previously favored advanced lost civilization claims, in the manner of Graham Hancock. But like Scott Wolter, he has apparently read the writing on the wall and decided that space aliens are en vogue, so Atlantis got thrown overboard in favor of aliens.
 
This speaks to the broader collapse of the “alternative archaeology” field overall. The stalwarts of the genre have largely removed themselves from the playing field. Several retired, officially or unofficially, and even the dedicated publishers of occult books moved toward consciousness, ETs, and magic over Atlantis and pyramids. As of this writing, neither Inner Traditions nor Red Wheel, the two largest publishers in the genre, have a single alternative archaeology title on their new release lists—a radical change from a few years ago when they published a new one seemingly monthly. Even Andrew Collins made a bid for respectability by publishing a book about the female pharaoh Sobekneferu that barely touched on Collins’s fringe ideas. Many big names went full ancient astronaut theorist and tried to hitch their stars to the UFO movement. The biggest name who hasn’t gone ancient alien (though he flirts with it), Graham Hancock, is more about spirituality and consciousness than Atlantis nowadays, doing little to capitalize on last year’s surprise success of his more traditional “alternative archaeology” program Ancient Apocalypse. He hasn’t even posted a blog in ten months.
 
And despite Ancient Apocalypse being a massive global hit, no major cable channel or streaming service tried to imitate it. Instead, chasing the fantasy of governmental power, all of the energy in TV production went to UFO documentaries, few of which were ratings successes or made much of an impact on mainstream media. Despite the clear evidence that there is a low ceiling on the number of people demanding more UFO content, the media keep serving up what they think government interest will promote, not what ratings say viewers want.
 
Where have all the lost civilization claimants gone? 
34 Comments
Joe Scales
10/18/2023 01:43:02 pm

"Where have all the lost civilization claimants gone?"

Oak Island?

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Duck, Duck Geese
10/20/2023 09:47:18 am

Where the men make the comparison between the Money Pit, the Templar initiation well in Portugal, all the while never realizing they've been digging in initiation chamber the entire time. Likely a three-dimensional version of the Royal Game of Goose?

The answer is NO.

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Kent
10/22/2023 02:12:15 pm

Hello Anthony, you sad little man. Why not pick a name and stick to it? Go! (I don't mean "leave", I mean start your explanation).

Rupert holmes
10/23/2023 10:40:38 am

"Why not pick a name and stick to it?"

Irony 101

Kent
10/23/2023 03:57:27 pm

Fair enough, IFF (if and only if) what you think is true. Two to five books a day, every day for 42 years. Five time state champion. My stepson disappeared my tome on Masonry and mythology, which I read once a week to clean the seeds from his pot.

The said part is that the imaginary stepson had to buy schwag instead of the pono bud. Actually maybe the never-ending series of lies is sadder. Don't know, don't care. The clumsiness is irksome. I'm not an armchair psychologist but if I were I'd pencil in huge acne problems for Anthony Mitty. "Priceless Defender" my sitting part. It bears mentioning that this is the first use of the hand dull "Rupert Holmes" on this site. Tell us about yourself, won't you?

Mark L
10/18/2023 04:00:27 pm

You might want to change the links down the right hand side of the page - Ancient Aliens Debunked is dead, Andy White's page hasn't been updated in the best part of a year, and Paleobabble has had one post since 2019.

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Psychic Questor
10/18/2023 04:06:50 pm

I have only just found out about Quetzacoatl from a medium.

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Daniell Ellison
10/18/2023 10:38:44 pm

What's the reasoning behind implicitly believing second-hand information from Steven Greenstreet, as opposed to second-hand information from countless government officials with high clearances?

E.g. Lt. Col. Karl E. Knell, David Grusch's Superior, who said his claims about a decades long arms race of reverse engineering non-human technology is "fundamentally correct" ?

Would love your thoughts.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/20/2023 03:48:42 pm

Probably because one of them is saying History is following the money, which is prime facie true as chasing profit is what companies do, and one of them is making extraordinary claims without providing supporting evidence.

These two are not alike.

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Daniel Ellison
10/21/2023 09:42:45 pm

Can you explain how LCol. Karl Nell, who is a senior military member and has held leadership positions at Lockheed and Northrop Grumman, is making money by supporting Grusch’s claims?

Making statements like his could certainly have the potential to destroy his career and reputation, so I would think it would take a large sum of money for him to cooperate.

Please, can you follow the money and demonstrate how he is profiting?

Kent
10/22/2023 02:15:55 pm

Those two are in fact alike. That's the History Channel's business model.

An Over-Educated Grunt
10/23/2023 08:44:42 am

I could, but I'd rather point out that you're changing the subject and ignoring what I in fact said, and therefore you're engaging in bad faith.

Kent
10/23/2023 04:05:35 pm

Perhaps it would be helpful if you clarified your original post and what Ms. Ellison (can't be too careful these days) misunderstands.

"Bad faith"? That's some Asperger Wikipedia editor bullshit, uh, I mean weak tea.

I'll get you started. Only started, mind you.

"Probably because one of them is saying History is following the money"

Which one? I know you can do this! Followup question, how so?

"which is prime facie true as chasing profit is what companies do, and one of them is making extraordinary claims without providing supporting evidence."

Which one? I know you can do this! Followup question, how so?

Jim
10/18/2023 11:02:20 pm

Alternative Archaeology Is Dying,,,,,,, but not gone yet !

Authorities were alerted and put the kibosh on an attempt to dig up bodies near Runestone hill. The plan involved pulling some teeth from the bodies to prove they were fourteenth century Norse.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/287262734058/posts/10161082783109059

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Alien Daughter Wife
10/19/2023 07:39:56 am

"But like Scott Wolter, he has apparently read the writing on the wall and decided that space aliens are en vogue, so Atlantis got thrown overboard in favor of aliens."

Is there a daughter wife involved? When did 23 year old girls become alien? I'm guessing when these dudes hit 70.

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E.P. Grondine
10/19/2023 10:06:22 am

Just some guesses here.

Reality intrudes. The Palestinian- Israeli conflict has seriously affected the economy. This is going to get way way worse with the rise of the BRC block and the end of the dollar.

Also, supply and demand. There is only a market for so much of this stuff.

You lump Collins and Hancock together with all of the rest. I never have.

Note carefully that 70% of the US sets finding the next impactor before it hits as NASA's #1 priority. My guess is that number will get much much higher.

Your memory for this fringe material is truly impressive.

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Kent
10/20/2023 01:37:19 pm

"Note carefully that 70% of the US sets finding the next impactor before it hits as NASA's #1 priority."

Once again, no. The number was 60% and the question was about satellites and all sorts of space junk. Meteors hit the Earth every day, try and stop 'em. Even that number I have no confidence in, suspecting a skewing amount of self-selection among survey respondents.

The idea that that high a percentage of people even have an opinion on what NASA's #1 priority should be is risible, ludicrous, and just plain silly.

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/07/20/americans-views-of-space-u-s-role-nasa-priorities-and-impact-of-private-companies/

"It is essential for the U.S. to be a leader in space exploration" - 69%

"Monitor asteroids, other objects that could hit Earth." - 60%

"Debris in space from rockets and satellites will be a major problem" - 69%

Sucks when your facts get checked doesn't it?

40% of those surveyed think we're going to discover intelligent life on other planets within the next 50 years. These survey respondents are literally not rocket scientists.

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Darold Knowles
10/22/2023 12:34:28 pm

It’s good to know that you think so many taxpayers are too stupid to have an opinion about the priorities of a taxpayer subsidized government agency. Perhaps you support a permanent deep state of elitists making all decisions with no input from citizens?

E.P. Grondine
10/23/2023 08:13:06 am

Here are the pew numbers:
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/07/20/americans-views-of-space-u-s-role-nasa-priorities-and-impact-of-private-companies/
I do not know where I got the 70% number from. I did not make it up.

Kent link
10/24/2023 04:46:52 pm

"It’s good to know that you think so many taxpayers are too stupid to have an opinion about the priorities of a taxpayer subsidized government agency."

Always nice to hear from MLB's Darrold Knowles! I agree with you that there are a lot of stupid people and as Baba George Carlin taught us, half of them are stupider than the median. Keeping it clean, opinions are like cowboy hats. Even with infinite cowboy hats taxpayers' opinions Do...Not...Matter.

Taxpayers can have opinions all day long but they have no role in setting the priorities of federal agencies. Trump was going to build a wall, he got elected. No wall. Obama was going to do something with the energy sector and "Under my plan, the price of energy will necessarily skyrocket." Didn't happen, even though he got elected. President Coma tells us the border is secure.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Fizzbin

"Perhaps you support a permanent deep state of elitists making all decisions with no input from citizens?"

No, I don't support it but here's the kicker, Danno: You're describing the current situation. As the Whore of Chappaqua informs us the 2016 election was stolen. Sri Donald Trump informs that the 2020 election was stolen. So votes don't matter.

Mr. Grenadine, you old rascal: Yes, I already quoted the goddam em effing c sucking Pew numbers and provided the link you doddering old fool. As Baseball Bat Principal Joe Clark said in Lean On Me "They can barely read!"

"I do not know where I got the 70% number from. I did not make it up."

Okay, let's try an easier question: Where were you at the time of the murders?

"It's those damn Theophists I tell you!"

Darold Knowles
10/24/2023 11:39:06 pm

It’s certainly entertaining to watch people who regularly complain about how unfair it is that hardworking taxpayers have no say regarding how their money is being wasted by imperious unelected bureaucrats then nervously try to explain their earlier speech about how taxpayers are too dumb to have a valid opinion regarding how a government agency should be spending taxpayers’ money. Thanks!

Kent
10/26/2023 06:05:27 pm

Why Mr. Knowles continues to attribute to me *stuff* that I never said eludes me so I shall (not will) unleash the profanity. Mr. Knowles is one goddam stupid em-effer who doesn't understand that saying something wrong twice doesn't make it correct.

Kent link
10/26/2023 10:33:07 pm

"DAROLD KNOWLES
10/24/2023 11:39:06 pm
It’s certainly entertaining to watch people who regularly complain about how unfair it is that hardworking taxpayers have no say regarding how their money is being wasted by imperious unelected bureaucrats then nervously
........
try to explain their earlier speech about how taxpayers are too dumb to have a valid opinion regarding how a government agency should be spending taxpayers’ money. Thanks!"

What the love are you on about, motherlover? I'm not complaining, I'm happy with the situation. No one is too dumb to have an opinion, as you've demonstrated. You are indeed a stupid loving idiot. What you wrote makes no sense but you're helping the tube sock industry. If porn is any guide your stepmom should be walking in on you right.. about...now.

(I'm saying your post is a form of masturbation.)

Warren Anthony, Darold Knowles' Murderer link
10/26/2023 10:41:20 pm

"DAROLD KNOWLES
10/24/2023 11:39:06 pm
It’s certainly entertaining to watch people who regularly complain about how unfair it is that hardworking taxpayers have no say regarding how their money is being wasted by imperious unelected bureaucrats"

Who are those people Dimebag? Can you name one and show your work? No, you cannot. Hmm.

" then nervously try to explain their earlier speech about how taxpayers are too dumb to have a valid opinion regarding how a government agency should be spending taxpayers’ money. Thanks!"

I'd like to hear about this "earlier speech". No doubt you're ready to cite some examples. No? Hmm.

Not cool
10/31/2023 10:46:58 am

I thought using the real name of someone else was against the rules? I'm sure the person now posting as Warren Anthony or Anthony Warren is not the real person.

The real person in question has his own Academia page with his name in or on over 250 papers. His work is in the top 0.5% on that site. Just saying.

Jim
10/31/2023 11:06:48 pm

Will the real Anthony Warren please stand up !

ANNABEL
10/20/2023 03:15:32 pm

Why are aliens and Atlantis exclusive?

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Indica Collection link
10/21/2023 02:24:58 pm

I have been wandering about alien since 1983.(4th grade).

The conclusion :
There might be intelligent aliens in Outer space but whether they come or not I don't know.

The quran says:

And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created, with [definite] preference. (Al-Isra [17] : 70)

So we not the only ones who were created with special prefence but one of those who were created with a preference.

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Kent
10/25/2023 09:18:53 pm

It's just saying humans reign over animals, nothing more. Untwist thy space-panties. The Qur`an is just as fuck'ed as the Old Testament and/or the New Testament. Like both of those it's a work of fiction.

Fun fact: When the NT says "publicans" they're not talking about the local winebar owners, they're talking about Roman tax collectors who shook down the locals and were allowed to keep any extra above the tax owed. In the story as it exists, Jesus was moovin' and groovin'. Gangsta Jesus!

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Denis Gojak
10/22/2023 03:54:39 pm

"Alternative archaeology is dying" - sadly not true. Pseudoarchaeology continues to pervade the internet and occupy peoples' minds.

It is pleasing that some corporate promotion of this crap is faltering. Its debateable whether that is because of a slight increase in rigour and application of critical thought or that the most recent claims are so shrill and their evidence so thin that even the gullible have stopped waiting for any proof.

I'd suggest its become even more normalised, which undercuts some of the sensationalist 'what if ..' marketing. The correct corporate response would then be to re-examine your market to find better ways to sell to them. Much as I'd like to believe that AlienCon being canned should count as a scalp, its more likely just a marketing realignment.

And echoing EP Grondine's admiration at your grasp over the detail of so much of the recent history of this garbage.

I

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Jason Colavito link
10/22/2023 04:10:07 pm

It's certainly alive and well on social media, but as an industry it seems to be in a downturn. Of course, social media's bad ideas (like the two recent flaps over the Roman Empire--whether it existed and whether men are obsessed with it) can be enormously damaging. Typically, though, corporate support amplifies bad ideas and makes them more damaging, so the lack of corporate interest right now (and I'm sure that will cycle around again, as it does every 20 years or so) will help limit how far these ideas spread.

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E.P. Grondine
10/23/2023 11:35:21 am

Hi Jason -

If you look at it in another light, we are still dealing with Theosophist nonsense from the late 1800's. This material is always a good basis for fictional works.

Good luck with your new book on Dean.

kent
10/26/2023 03:31:26 pm

Apparently the time travelling Theosophists were harvesting pineal glands. How many Jesuit seminarians had to die before they perfected the technology?

"A Second Account of the Sodomite Giants of Ecuador

E.P. GRONDINE
3/28/2016 08:29:14 pm
Sounds to me like more of Adrienne Major's Fossil Legends.

But there are indications from NW Mexico that perhaps cannibals were harvesting human pituitary glands for Human Growth Factor."

In a pizza parlor with no basement? Who can say? "Indications" have been asserted. It would be interesting to see those "indications" but like seven foot tall Injuns {Shatner voice} THEY DON'T EXIST {/Shatner voice} Things that don't exist are Chief's crotchet. His relatives might have to go along with it, I don't.

Kent link
11/4/2023 06:25:46 pm

"NOT COOL
10/31/2023 10:46:58 am
I thought using the real name of someone else was against the rules?"

It's been established that the person now posting as Warren Anthony or Anthony Warren is not the real name of the person. He made that explicitly clear when he was talking about paying to have his poetry published instead of going on Amazon and making a chapbook like a non-mentalpatient.

Also who would use their real name for all the lies he's told?

"The real person in question has his own Academia page with his name in or on over 250 papers. His work is in the top 0.5% on that site. Just saying."

And if I save my poops for a month I'll have a lot of poop. Same-same.

He explicitly said long ago that it's not his real name so be a lamb and piss off. It's good to know that Academia.edu sucks major ass and I can't imaging Mrs. Ass is very happy about it. I figure any site place where the 5 Time State Champion, now mental patient, posts his papers must suck but you've provided evidence.

As for the name thing, ask MLB's Darold Knowles Miss Grundy.

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