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"Newsweek" Profiles Luis Elizondo, Asks Why "To the Stars" Hasn't Shown Its Data

9/22/2018

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​The forthcoming Sept. 28 edition of Newsweek magazine features a long profile of Luis Elizondo and his position as spokesperson for Tom DeLonge’s To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. The interview and profile contain few new revelations, but it is interesting to note that DeLonge declined to participate in the story, with the academy’s press agent saying that DeLonge isn’t doing any media interviews now, in the wake of the negative publicity he garnered for his loopy appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast last year and his overly grand statements about To the Stars back in the spring. That has made Elizondo the de facto face of To the Stars, for better or worse.
​A couple of key points stand out. The first is that the members of To the Stars and the men in their orbit are having a bit of trouble keeping their story straight. Consider Elizondo’s response to the question of where, exactly, the data about the UFOs the Pentagon supposedly tracked ended up:
On the question of whether UFO encounters are genuine, Elizondo has asserted many times, including in his talk to the ­MUFON audience, that “ultimately the data will speak for itself.” Asked where the data are, Elizondo responds with a variation of the hidden-by-the-deep-state argument. The Pentagon program, he says, commissioned “large volumes” of academic studies and data but much of it is “FOIA-exempt,” he says, meaning that Freedom of Information Act requests yield little information. (The day ­before the conference began, a Las Vegas TV show obtained a list of what it claimed were several dozen of the studies, including one on “invisibility cloaking” and another on “brain-machine interfaces.”)
 
This argument contradicts [former U.S. Senator and Pentagon UFO program sponsor] Harry Reid’s assertion, in a March interview with New York magazine, that “we have hundreds and ­hundreds of papers, pages of paper, that have been available since it was ­completed. Most all of it, 80 percent at least, is public.” It also ­contradicts what [To the Stars’ national security advisor Chris] Mellon wrote last February in his Washington Postop-ed, which referred to a “growing body of empirical data.”
​So, are the data public or not? Have the studies been seen, or not? How is it that Elizondo could have headed the program but not be able to speak coherently about what the program supposedly produced? The “Las Vegas TV show” referenced above, by the way, is the news broadcast on the local CBS affiliate, where George Knapp, a former associate of Robert Bigelow, the owner of the company Elizondo’s unit contracted to study UFOs, mysteriously obtained a list of studies that Hal Puthoff, a Bigelow contractor and To the Stars executive, had put together. What an amazing coup! The studies did not involve any alien artifacts or proof of alien life, to judge by their theory-based concepts.
 
The other interesting passage similarly involves Elizondo’s caginess about making the results of the Pentagon’s and To the Stars’ much-hyped “research” public. Right now, it seems that it is too much fun to be able to hint and to imply without saying anything definite. This, of course, has spawned online conspiracy theories, but the grounding is a fair question: Why not spit it out and say what you know, or claim to know?
Elizondo has heard the whispers and read the conspiracy theories on Reddit. “No, I am not running a government disinformation campaign,” he says in an exasperated tone. “I took a huge risk in leaving a safe job to do this. If this doesn’t pan out, I’ll be working at Walmart.”
 
The next six months or so will be pivotal to the success of To the Stars, Elizondo says. That’s when he expects to be able to present more data on UFO sightings. As the Academy’s head of Global Security and Special Programs, he serves as a liaison to the government, including Congress, the Pentagon and the intelligence services.
 
But there are still more questions than answers. Is he working behind the scenes to get some of the information that he knows from his Pentagon days declassified? He wouldn’t say. When will the public have access to this information? “That is being ­addressed,” he replies.
 
“In the end, I’m not worried about credibility,” Elizondo says. “I’m worried about facts.” Reminded that the only facts the public has are grainy videos, he insists, “There is data. It’s not out yet.”
So why not say something? Surely, if we are speaking of the greatest discovery in the history of exploration—contact with an intelligence from another world—such a revelation needn’t wait for a marketing plan and merchandising. The sticking point seems to be the “data.” The men who have spoken about the “data”—Puthoff, Elizondo, Eric Davis, etc.—have painted a picture of rather unconvincing material: academic studies of hypothetical scenarios, collections of standard-issue UFO sighting reports, and metallic debris grandly imagined to be alien but which has yet to deliver any scientific results indicating manufacture on another world, according to all the data publicly discussed.
 
Notice, too, that the promise of evidence has slid from the previous grand claims about having physical wreckage from flying saucers made from metamaterials to “data on UFO sightings,” which might be nothing more than the same old UFO reports that have haunted ufology for the past seven decades. As with this week’s video walking back the story of the metametals, once again To the Stars seems to be trying to revise expectations downward without unduly impacting its revenue stream.
 
The piece concluded with Elizondo saying that he saw Ukrainians at a MUFON conference he attended. He concluded that they must be connected to Ukraine’s archenemy, Russia, and therefore Russian intelligence operatives spying on him to gain his UFO secrets. Even taking his claim at face value, there is a long history of the Russian and Soviet governments, as well as the U.S. government, examining UFO reports for insights into the other country’s advanced military and space programs, since both used UFO reports as a convenient cover for test flights and to obscure failures. 
30 Comments
bezalel
9/22/2018 11:08:10 am

Thanks Jason for continuing to expose this.

No surprise on lack of data or on any data not suggesting provenance of ET design or origin.

Apparently, even Elizondo cannot perceive that "the gubmint" is capable of creating programs advancing secret technologies, then of investigating activities and/or phenomena associated with said technologies originated by same gubmint programs; thus (inadvertently or not) leading ultimately to false ideas being spread about ET's visiting earth.

All the while the utter lack of education in and understanding of scientific principles on the part of the public contributing to said false idea.

The benefactor of such circular mythmaking is "the gubmint" as their activities remain unknown and piled under layers of secrecy.

Those on this site with enough brains will realize that the other benefactors are the American people.

Further, those with the balls and energy to get an education in the physical sciences will comprehend the truth.

So far, after many decades of sightings, matetials, abductions, etc etc anon and anon, exactly ZERO evidence exists that suggests or proves ET'S are visiting earth. All advanced technology is VERY likely terrestrial.

And probably ours.

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Glo Orona
5/6/2021 05:18:43 pm

I have a thing or two to say about this. I personally do not believe in the Extra Terrestrial because Scripture states that Earth is the only planet in the Universe with Intelligence.
My Dad, the Theologian in the Family, found the quote in Scripture that clearly states it. We discussed Theology frequently at home, didn’t think to look it up at the time- I was just a kid.
However, Years ago, early 20’s, I had a strange
Encounter with the unknown. Five Aliens, at nite,
Appeared by my bedside- one of them seem to have a sincere concern & keen interest in me. — I was going thru difficult times. I saw them with my Spiritual eyes, - I shut my eyes in disbelief, & I could still see them. I’m having difficulty retaining the memory of this experience-it does not have a Wow ending. Only that the following morning, I had a sense of well-being. Again, I question the strangeness of it all.

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Admissible in the court of law
9/22/2018 12:28:37 pm

_exactly ZERO evidence exists that suggests or proves ET'S are visiting earth._

I would say this makes there to be more than ZERO evidence.

https://youtu.be/zHCSpm2kepo

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Bezalel
9/22/2018 01:05:02 pm

Rubbish, not even close
You do not know how to distinguish between actual evidence and hearsay, and everything in between.

Read a science book.

Court of Law is irrelevant in matters of Science

Stop thinking like Wolter

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ADMISSIBLE IN THE COURT OF LAW
9/22/2018 01:40:54 pm

What is science got to do with the existence of aliens?

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AmericanegroCool"Disco"dan
9/22/2018 06:46:24 pm

Wolter's experience in court was a judgement against him in an agate scam.

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Machala
9/22/2018 02:35:24 pm

I suppose, that if you are one of those people who believe in angels and devils, then science is irrelevant to proving the existence of aliens and UFOs. You can take it all on faith.
Sorry, I'm one of those agnostics that prefers to see the empirical proof before I am convinced.

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Admissible in the court of law
9/23/2018 02:31:21 am

_Sorry, I'm one of those agnostics that prefers to see the empirical proof before I am convinced._

Empirical proof and science are not the same thing. Lets say you meet a grey alien on the street and he says “hello”. Empirical evidence, but hardly scientific. Would you be convinced or would you need some higher authority to validate what you saw?

But lets see how “scientific” proof could be obtained. Lets say an alien spaceship crashes with 10 dead bodies inside. Government reports the event with photos in the newspapers and dead bodies are shipped to different universities to be autopsied. Then scientists write papers in peer reviewed publications. Then we have a scientific conference which reaches a scientific conclusion that indeed aliens exist. Do you expect something similar to happen?

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Bezalel
9/23/2018 11:12:06 am

Your perceptions about what does and does not constitute scientific methodology are extraordinarily underdeveloped.

Three levels to master before you get to zero.

In addition, Science is not an authoritarian discipline. There are no "authorities" in science.
Only experts

Machala
9/23/2018 11:34:32 am

Sorry, the sentence should have run: " .....see the empirical and scientific proof...."
I need to edit myself better before posting.

V
9/23/2018 11:43:50 am

Actually, I've met a "grey alien" on the street. It was NOT sufficient evidence of alien contact, since it was in Los Angeles, and more specifically, very near a sci-fi convention. In other words, I didn't need "some higher authority," I needed something that could not have any other possible explanation (such as movie makeup).

It's really that simple. It's not "proof" if it has more than one possible explanation. Everything UFO that we have right now? Has at least two if not more possible explanations. Ergo, they are proof of NOTHING.

Admissible in the court of law
9/24/2018 04:16:21 am

_Ergo, they are proof of NOTHING._

Such a militant anti-alienism makes sceptics lose their credibility. ZERO evidence, proof of NOTHING. Statements like this in especially in capital letters...Well...

gdave
9/24/2018 01:54:11 pm

It's hardly "militant anti-alienism" to demand verifiable evidence, or to put a couple of words in a comment in ALL CAPS.

Someone saying they encountered an extraterrestrial simply isn't good evidence. They could be mistaken. They may have mis-perceived. They be mis-remembering. They may have been dreaming. They may have hallucinated. They may be confabulating. They could even be straight up lying. Or any combination of the above.

The situation isn't really any better if I personally have the experience. Other than just lying, any or all of the above could equally well apply to anything I personally experience. Our own personal perceptions of what we experience are, by definition, subjective. In order to live day to day, I have to assume that my personal subjective experiences match up pretty well with objectively verifiable reality, but they might not always do so.

The universe is a really, really, really, really big and really, really, really, really weird place. I don't think you're going to find many "skeptics", in the comments here, or anywhere else, who are actually "militant anti-alienists" that flatly deny the possibility of extraterrestrial life, or the possibility that extraterrestrials have visited our planet. It's just that there is no good evidence for extraterrestrial visitations.

Quantum teleportation, the wave/particle duality of light, microbial life that surrounds us and lives inside of us, the platypus - these are just a few of the many, many, many, truly weird and unbelievable facets of our universe for which we have a lot of good, objective, independently verifiable evidence. "Skeptics" accept the existence of all of these due to that evidence, even though the vast majority of us have never personally witnessed any of them ourselves.

Joe Scales
9/24/2018 02:32:36 pm

If you're looking for admissible evidence, look no further than the near infinite amount of documented instances of fraud, hoaxes and lies that have always gone hand in hand with this alleged phenomena.

Score so far? Infinity to nuttin'.

V
9/25/2018 01:05:48 pm

"Such a militant anti-alienism makes sceptics lose their credibility. ZERO evidence, proof of NOTHING. Statements like this in especially in capital letters...Well... "

1. I'm actually not "anti-alienist." I'm anti-being scammed, as everyone should be. I would be THRILLED to find real proof that first contact has been made and have even literally dreamed about DOING it. But I want REAL proof, not "I want to believe it, therefore I will twist this and delude myself" proof.

2. If capital letters make thins lose credibility, how can you trust ANY of the "ancient aliens" pundits who routinely post things in ALL CAPS LIKE THEIR CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN.

3. Nothing that you have posted would constitute sufficient evidence in any court, either, as it constitutes hearsay, which is...not admissible in court. Perhaps you should actually try learning what "admissible in court" entails.

Dan
9/22/2018 10:23:19 pm

So I think it was Bezalel that said something about balls and a physical sciences education.

I have a tiny ine of those. I earned it in my 40s after consuming and believing a tremendous amount of horse shit.

It really helped.

Bezalel speaks the truth.

And it sucks sometimes, because the return of The Great Cthulhu would solve a lot of my problems.

😊😀

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Ralph the Talking Dog
9/23/2018 11:52:20 am

A horse is a horse, of course of course, and no one can talk to a horse of course.

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V
9/25/2018 12:57:20 pm

Untrue statement. You can talk TO a horse as much as you want. It's getting the horse to talk BACK that's impossible. ~.^

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/23/2018 04:52:42 pm

The top 2 threads on this page went today from having 14 and 15 posts to having 12 and 9 posts. Is Jason finally policing Chief's bad language?

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Crash55
9/23/2018 05:42:12 pm

Elizondo would be barred from representing anyone in front of the government on any issue that he was in charge of. For low level it is a one year ban. For something that he was directly in charge of financially like the supposed program it would be a lifetime ban.

Standard government ethics rules.

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AmericanCool"disco"Dan
9/23/2018 06:46:50 pm

That's complete nonsense.

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Crash55
9/23/2018 07:08:00 pm

Really? I guess my yearly ethics training must be wrong.

18 USC 207 is the law. https://www.oge.gov/web/oge.nsf/Resources/18+U.S.C.+§+207:++Restrictions+on+former+officers,+employees,+and+elected+officials+of+the+executive+and+legislative+branches

Or if you want the PDF: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2012-title18/pdf/USCODE-2012-title18-partI-chap11-sec207.pdf

So no it is not nonsense. Your complete lack of knowledge and inability to do a simple Google search is complete nonsense

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/23/2018 07:41:31 pm

So my attorney would be barred from representing me? That's complete nonsense.

Crash55
9/23/2018 07:58:00 pm

Representation in this case is not meant as representing you in court. It is meant as in a former federal employee can not represent his / her new employer to the government in the areas prescribed by 18 USC 207.

If I am a program lead on a weapon system and later take a job for the prime contractor on that system I can’t represent the company in dealings with the government on that system. Does that explain it to you?

This is standard government ethics training for any professional type federal employee. Any program manager would definitely be held to it. The fines can be quite substantial and include jail time.

An Anonymous Nerd
9/24/2018 11:29:27 pm

It is a near mathematical certainty that aliens exist someplace. (Why is science important to the alien conversation? Because it's science that provided us with that data -- with enough knowledge of the universe to do that math.)

The same math, however, is one nail in the coffin of them being here or having been here. (Again: Why is science important to the alien conversation? Because it's science that provided us with that data -- with enough knowledge of the universe to do that math. And because if we ever do see the aliens it'll be science that discovers and confirms the contact.)

Another such nail is the fact that everything cited as evidence of their being here, from the ancient stuff to the modern stuff, is explained more-completely and more-easily with reference to terrestrial things -- including but not limited to out-and-out-fraud.

Finding examples is one important topic covered by Mr. Colavito -- so examples literally are all around us. The other side ultimately has laughter, scorn, anecdotes (distorted, imagined, and misunderstood), and denial of evidence. Sadly in this day and age that too often is enough. How we got here is a long story.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Aaa
9/25/2018 12:38:48 pm

“And because if we ever do see the aliens it'll be science that discovers and confirms the contact.“

If an alien spaceship lands on the White House lawn science will have nothing to do with discovering and confirming the contact.

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V
9/25/2018 01:00:36 pm

Except that you are COMPLETELY wrong, because science will ABSOLUTELY be required to confirm the contact, in the sense that it's not science if you can't replicate it, and therefore confirming alien contact requires MANY people--including scientists--to have open contact with these aliens AND for science to confirm that it's not a hoax. I can show you footage of aliens blowing up the White House, after all--that doesn't make it REAL, and thus footage from the movie Independence Day is not confirmation of alien contact.

Aaa
9/25/2018 01:29:29 pm

The discussion is getting rather pointless, but I can imagine that for example on of the visiting aliens will agree to be killed and autopsied so that scientists will be able to comfirm it is indeed an alien body. Something everybody with common sense would already know.

Joe Scales
9/25/2018 03:53:22 pm

That's assuming alien life forms come in a size that medical examiners could easily manage...

An Anonymous Nerd
9/25/2018 08:57:54 pm

[If an alien spaceship lands on the White House lawn science will have nothing to do with discovering and confirming the contact. ]

Even in that fantasy scenario, either a scientist or, I suppose, some other expert with scientific training, would need to be on-hand to sort out what's going on. Is it really what it appears to be? Either way science leads the way. If your fantasy scenario can be assumed, then so can a variety of others.

In any case a more-realistic scenario is someone who is looking up at the stars and knows what to look for seeing something. Most of the rest of us are looking for "Independence Day" at worst, or "Star Trek" at best -- and a very non-nerd take on "Star Trek" to boot. "Star Trek" as perceived by folks who prefer "Independence Day." Either way, neither is likely to match reality should the day ever occur.

-An Anonymous Nerd


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