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Newsweek Profiles Man Who Believes an Ancient European Ship Is Buried in California. Big Surprise: Two Cable Channels Are Doing Shows About It

2/4/2017

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​Newsweek has a fascinating piece about the people who believe that there is a lost Viking or Spanish ship in the deserts of California, somewhere between Coachella and Baja. It’s a modern myth, one born of some tall tales spun in the 1800s and especially after the 1930s, but it is a story that continues to fascinate believers, often treasure hunters, down the present. The most popular version of the story, from 1939, is a secondhand account of a man who claimed to see a stereotyped Viking vessel in the desert, complete with round shields attached to the sides, just like in the picture books. The present Newsweek article takes the form of a profile of the adventures of former mattress salesman John Grasson, a man born in 1957 and currently living on disability, who is both a treasure hunter and a believer in the UFO crash at Roswell. 
​Newsweek describes his quest for the lost ship, which he thinks was actually a Spanish vessel that sailed up the Colorado River, thinking California to be an island, in quite stark terms familiar to any of us who recall the anger and grievance almost all believers in fringe history share:
He is also driven by a slight sense of grievance, a conviction that academics are errant in their near-unanimous assertion that there is no desert ship. He knows they look down on him, but he also thinks he knows more than they do. “All archeologists are wreck hunters,” he told me. “[Their] science basically started with a treasure hunter looking for gold.” This a reference to Heinrich Schliemann, who founded modern archeology with his search for the city of Troy in southern Turkey. Grasson isn’t denigrating professional archeology; only reminding its more pedigreed practitioners that their profession rewards a well-developed imagination—something it shares with astrophysics and pure mathematics but few other disciplines.
 
He also argues that fieldwork is everything—you can’t find a desert ship in an academic journal. “If you gotta guy who spends 10, 15 years looking at one particular story,” Grasson said one day over breakfast, “and you got an academic who spent maybe a summer or two—you gotta realize who really knows more.”
​Grasson knows so much, in fact, that after fifteen years of seeking the ship, he has yet to find a single trace of it. Nevertheless, he has a fantasy that one day he will find proof of the ship, take it to a major university, and force them to plaster it with his name so he can lord it over all of them.
 
You might think of him as a kook and a crank, but I’m sure you’ve already guessed where this is going. Cable television has beaten a path to his door, and TV fame is much more fun and lucrative than mattress sales. According to Newsweek, despite his proven track record of failure, he has appeared on Myth Hunters on the American Heroes Channel and will appear on an upcoming series called American Legends for the Travel Channel and an unnamed upcoming pilot for a new a series on the unexplained for the History Channel. There is almost literally nothing too stupid or too lacking in evidence for cable TV to throw money at. According to Newsweek, both the Travel Channel and the History Channel sent teams with ground-penetrating radar to try to find the ship. Of course they found nothing.
 
Grasson, when confronted with skeptical views, could only offer as a rejoinder that skeptics cannot prove a negative, so the ship might exist until its non-existence has been demonstrated conclusively. If that were the standard of proof, then we would be overrun with unicorns and Atlanteans.
 
Newsweek’s Alexander Nazaryan compared Grasson to a religious believer and suggested that his faith in a goofball legend helps to alleviate the workaday miseries of his painful, impecunious life:
In other words, Grasson has plenty in common with the WWCs—i.e., members of the white working class—who handed the presidency to Donald Trump: he’s a middle-aged, white-as-the-driven-snow guy from the Midwest who served in the armed forces but can’t even get decent medical care. Yet never once did I hear him air any grievances. He had given himself to a greater faith and, like all devoted believers who do so, he could not be bothered by the petty inconveniences of everyday life.
​I’ll just stop to note that Nazaryan specifically identified Grasson’s distrust of academic elites as a grievance, though presumably he is here claiming that Grasson wasn’t blaming his problems on Mexicans or Muslims because he was too busy fantasizing about buried treasure and how he will use it to stick it to the intellectual elites. Nazaryan seems blind to where Grasson has displaced his sense of grievance, even as he himself reported it with the word grievance!
 
According to a guidebook produced by the U.S. government before World War II, the legend of the desert boat was inspired by a real abandoned vessel, built in 1862 for a Colorado river mining company and abandoned in the desert when the cost of transporting it to the Colorado River was too great. Not coincidentally, sightings of the “Spanish” or “Viking” ship began shortly after, in the 1870s.
 
Nazaryan, while knowing that this is the origin of the story, nevertheless prefers the myth. He claims that some fake stories are “evil” and should be exposed, but “others must be allowed to live, because without such nourishing nuggets of wonder, life can shrivel up into an endless series of tasks, captured and measured, posted on social media, forgotten.” Nazaryan, like Grasson and so many others, confuses fantasy with fun, and fabrication with improvement. He thinks fake legends are somehow the only thing reenchanting the world, adding magic into the drudgery of life. This is the bad argument of a person unwilling to do the work of finding the actual fun and interesting parts of life. Science is full of what Darwin once termed “endless forms most wonderful,” and we don’t need fake stories to find fun. Wonder is all around us, but one must be willing to look for it. A retreat into fantasy is the province of the lazy and the small and the dull.
 
Grasson has one amazing line in his interview with Nazaryan that about sums up the entire philosophy of fringe historians everywhere: “The beauty with legend,” he says, “is that you’re never wrong.”
28 Comments
Only Me
2/4/2017 10:12:12 am

"If you gotta guy who spends 10, 15 years looking at one particular story,” Grasson said one day over breakfast, “and you got an academic who spent maybe a summer or two—you gotta realize who really knows more.”

Yep, it ain't the guy spending decades looking for something and has nothing to show for it. This reminds me of the complaint about archaeologists not excavating some of the fringe's favorite sites in America. I asked then how long were archaeologists required to keep looking before the fringe accepted there is nothing to find? Naturally, I didn't get an answer.

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Time Machine
2/4/2017 09:27:43 pm

There you are again Only Me

Attacking beliefs and people that you disagree with

But anyone who disagrees with your rubbish gets their messages deleted.

The Holy Inquisition of 2017.

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Time Machine
2/4/2017 09:29:50 pm

Jesus Christ does exist and is something tangible and real

Jesus Christ grows on the plains of Palestine and his juices send you to his Father in Heaven.

Americanegro
2/5/2017 06:39:00 am

Mister Sweet gives me his nectar.

Only Me
2/5/2017 10:16:27 am

"Attacking beliefs and people that you disagree with"

Criticism is not an attack.

"But anyone who disagrees with your rubbish gets their messages deleted."

Maybe it's the content and intent, not the actual disagreement, that leads to the deletions.

Shane Sullivan
2/4/2017 11:36:21 am

"Science is full of what Darwin once termed “endless forms most wonderful,” and we don’t need fake stories to find fun. Wonder is all around us, but one must be willing to look for it. A retreat into fantasy is the province of the lazy and the small and the dull."

I assume you're talking about fantasy that we mistake for truth. I don't think there's anything wrong with finding meaning in myth and fiction, but that need not entail taking them literally, or even seriously.

Of course, if a person can't also appreciate a nice sunset, I feel sorry for them.

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V
2/4/2017 04:52:48 pm

As a writer of fiction, I hope so, too, Shane. Fantasy has its place, and I don't think it belongs solely to "the lazy and the small and the dull." I think judging it to be so is the province of the elitist, and certainly is a...hm...decidedly BIASED, even bigoted viewpoint, shall we say?

After all, Jason...you love your horror shows, too, and those are fantasy, as well. When you watch those, and get into them enough to CRITIQUE them, you're retreating into fantasy, sir. Are YOU lazy and small and dull?

Perhaps you should consider rephrasing that for clarity. I would suggest "Swapping fantasy for reality is..." and possibly something less obviously sneering than "lazy, small, and dull."

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Mark L
2/4/2017 07:39:01 pm

You know that's not what he was on about. Do you literally believe the fantasy stories you read and write are true?

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At Risk
2/4/2017 01:04:11 pm

As a controversial "fringe" person who doesn't even consider himself fringe, I would like to stick up for fantasy and the creative mind. Not all fantasy is, or turns out to be, purely fiction, and there's a big difference between skepticism and disparagement, too.

I am different, in that I'm not selling anything connected with my perceived fantasy--that of course being the medieval Norse Code-stone I found a few short years ago. Rather than asking for money, I have publicly offered to get an archaeological dig going by putting in the first $1K towards an approved exploratory dig.

In that vein, here is part of a very recent email I sent to an academic professional. I'm including it here on this blog because it has much to do with both perceived and real fantasy...and with a perceived or real payoff, too (history, besides money):

I'm writing to you because I believe I have recently discovered the voice of someone who may have passed down something of value to the modern world, through his past anonymous labor. I'm speaking, specifically, about lost medieval Norse stonehole rocks, re-discovered, showing where something of significance is likely buried, and not far from Morris.

However, a great social injustice is taking place because the "academic" world doesn't want to consider the presence of medieval Norsemen in these parts ahead of the later French. This was a palpable problem I experienced with the former State Archaeologist.

I have something to share with you, as an outreach to a local archaeologist both living and teaching not far from what I believe is an actual medieval Norse site. The best way I think I can get you to consider what I have discovered is to invite you to read an article I wrote for the Norwegian American several months ago. It explains in fairly good detail the proposed medieval Norse code-stone I found and decoded, which points directly to a spot where a deep-penetrating ferrous-only metal detector gets a strong hit, the only spot in the entire, remote area. As you can see by the article, the proposed code-stone was found directly across from where the Pomme de Terre River empties near Appleton. I believe this may be an old Norse land claim, marking the river which runs farthest up into the MN River watershed.

I've been in contact with the new State Archaeologist, and she indicated that she would help me by licensing a suitable archaeologist. I would need to fund the dig, which would only be a cursory exploratory dig, since the exact spot to professionally examine is straight down, in one spot. (A regular metal detector will not get a hit, which means the iron or steel is buried quite deeply.)

So far, I've been unable to garner any support at all. Someone suggested I write to ... , so I'm hoping that you may have some ideas which could help guide me along in my goal. The site is on State land set aside for prairie chickens, completely undeveloped for agriculture...all rocks seemingly still in their original places. This site was also visited by a late 1800's railroad crew making their own stoneholes, so the situation was very difficult to sort out and understand. I have studied what I take to be medieval stonehole rocks extensively, and I can share many, many pertinent photos with you if you're further interested. - Bob Voyles

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Tom
2/4/2017 01:32:27 pm

Sorry is this a spoof?

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Weatherwax
2/4/2017 02:47:13 pm

I'm sorry, but you are a prime example of the problem of not mistaking fantasy for reality. How many hours have you devoted to trying to convince the professional academics that your imaginary codes are proof that the Norse were deep into North America long before the current history says? How many times have you been unable to accept being told by said academics that your "proof" is not what you think it is?

If the Vikings had large expeditions into the Midwest, the evidence would be self evident and widespread. It's not.

But out of curiosity, since you have mentioned the large ferrous item deeply buried several times, specifically what equipment did you use to detect this item? And what is your training with this equipment?

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A Bufddhist
2/4/2017 03:25:23 pm

Since At Risk has in the past spoken highly of ley lines in connection with his search for Norse exploration, I would not be surprised if he used dowsing rods or similar alternative methods.

mwduchek
2/4/2017 03:41:41 pm

I didn't want to come right out and say that.

But even if it was actual proper equipment, you need to know what you're doing and what can throw off your readings.

Weatherwax
2/4/2017 03:42:41 pm

mwduchek is me, I just mis typed.

At Risk link
2/4/2017 04:47:56 pm

Thank you for the comments of further interest. Tom, this is no joke...but I'll admit that it sounds so far-fetched that it must be placed in the category of fiction, or fantasy. This is my fantastic problem. My very real find is so fantastic-sounding that it's difficult to get people to take me seriously.

However, for those with open minds and not instantly prepared to throw jabs, they will find that my story is well-told, with abundant photos. In addition to the Norwegian American article explaining the Norse Code-stone in general terms, I also prepared a PowerPoint presentation with many more details and photos. The presentation is available by asking for it through my website, where I can be contacted by email.

Here, also, is a photo of the ferrous-only metal detector I used. It generally costs several hundred dollars, but I got a fairly new one on Ebay for about $350. The regular metal detector is a cheaper, standard one, and, again, it will not get a hit, which means the target is too deep for it. However, the ferrous-only detector can go down several feet:

http://www.norwegianamerican.com/opinion/in-defense-of-the-kensington-runestone-a-code-stone/

What we likely have here is a fantastic reality, which may ultimately turn history as we know it on its head. What can we suppose may have been buried to represent a land claim? I like to think that since treasure represents power, something of value may have been buried, besides the usual medieval Norse artifacts, to represent a specific power, or entity.

My discovery and simple decoding of a genuine medieval Norse Code-stone shouldn't be grounds for skeptics' anger. Instead, be willing to understand what I'm saying, and be willing to look at the associated photos. Thanks for your consideration.

Does anyone have any constructive ideas that can help move this along? For one thing, I obviously need to contact even more potentially licenseable archaeologists in the MN area.

Weatherwax
2/4/2017 05:11:50 pm

The idea doesn't make anyone angry, just frustrated at your constant interruptions of every thread to insist that your fantasy Norse code is in fact a real code.

Your article does not answer the question of what equipment you were using and what your training on it is. Or for than matter what the readings were.

At Risk
2/5/2017 11:49:58 am

You may have noticed that my "intrusion" is very much on topic this time around. We're heavy into fantasy and intrepretations of perceived fantasy.

Don't get so hung up on the equipment I used or my training...see if you can progress beyond simple skepticism. Thanks. Look at the provided photos. Look at the equipment closely if you want to...it's right there in front of you in color (bright yellow!), just as all my photos associated with this wild claim have been made publicly available.

You have no more excuses to attempt to invalidate my claims, which are in fact quite extensively detailed with explanation and photos. Look. I challange you to understand....

Weatherwax
2/5/2017 03:14:22 pm

You picture is not large enough to identify the equipment.

Knowing what kind of equipment is necessary for understanding what it's capabilities are, and your training/ experience with it speak towards your understanding of what it's capabilities are, how to read the signal, and what disruptions and errors it's prone too. Any professional paper would include this info.

Your dismissal of requesting that info with 'don't worry your pretty little head about that' is one of the reasons professionals do not take you seriously.

Again, you are showing by example the problems Jason describes in this post, insisting you have evidence when all you have is a high fantasy short story. It may be a great work of fiction, but it's not proof.

Americanegro
2/7/2017 09:54:51 am

Your "decoding" boils down to "there are three holes, it looks like two together and one apart; because I would like to see two pairs of two it is obviously a code."

Seriously dude?

Titus pullo
2/4/2017 03:43:44 pm

Im so sick of folks with theories of european exploration or what not in the americas before columbus. Wheres the gd proof? Other than some norse in Newfoundland there is zero hard evidence. Where are the structures? Bodies? Garbage? Or like bigfoot our myserious notse or templars or iris monks hid their travels and took all their garbage out with them. Where are the tons of detritus from the minoans mining copper on isle royale? This ship story dounds like a clive cussler book i read 25 uears ago! Enough. Please just stop!

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V
2/4/2017 04:37:59 pm

Hey! At least Clive Cussler accepts and even points out that finding out these things wouldn't affect modern life pretty much AT ALL. Unlike Gunn up there, who seems to think that finding out Vikings came to the US and buried a rock would make the Swedes and the Norse our new masters, because apparently he's not even remotely familiar with the principals surrounding abandonment of property and the fact that the Colonies were sold wholesale to the Brits, etc.

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At Risk
2/4/2017 05:03:33 pm

V, you seem to be dealing more in fantasy than me! Looking for new masters? Wow, don't you know by now that I already have one Master only? I'm also not concerned with any effect this kind of finding would have on modern life. I'm interested in history, period. Truthful, accurate history is my goal, and it's very apparent to me that this will continue to be a difficult goal to attain while people are wearing self-blinders.

Frankly, it's downright dumb to think that the French were here in this region first, given all the collective evidence that says otherwise. How was it that the Rus were in Baghdad? Let's get real. Going far inland is what the Norse were known for, too!

El Cid
2/4/2017 07:07:08 pm

I am willing to tell about the giant ancient Assyrian airliner I think I saw off of a hiking trail in exchange for huge amounts of money and several TV series.

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Americanegro
2/4/2017 07:10:33 pm

"It generally costs several hundred dollars, but I got a fairly new one on Ebay for about $350."

You do know that $350 IS "several hundred dollars" right?

"As a controversial "fringe" person who doesn't even consider himself fringe"

Of course not, why would you? Everyone else in the known universe has that handled for you.

"I am different, in that I'm not selling anything connected with my perceived fantasy--that of course being the medieval Norse Code-stone I found a few short years ago. Rather than asking for money, I have publicly offered to get an archaeological dig going by putting in the first $1K towards an approved exploratory dig."

So you're asking for money, we're clear on that, to dig up something you say you've already found. Hmm.

"I'm including it here on this blog"

No, you're including it in your off-topic comment on someone else's blog. Stop talking like a homeless person.

"since the exact spot to professionally examine is straight down, in one spot"

Every 'spot' under the Earth's surface is 'straight down'. What is the term for "knows nothing about science"? Before anyone gets started, 'Gunn' and 'At Risk' are already taken and tainted.



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Tom
2/5/2017 02:58:11 am

Hello At Risk, I think you may have made at least one your points.
In saying that I am presuming that you are not a professional fringe writer merely somebody with unorthodox ideas.
Whether this is a joke or not the way the comments have degenerated to just short of name calling is not valid criticism of your ideas
However, it is up to you to supply evidence and until you do it cannot be a theory only a hypothesis at best and it will attract no funding and no recognition.

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At Risk
2/5/2017 12:03:55 pm

Thank you, Tom, for the sincere comments. I think if you took the time to read the article I suggested, above, and ask for the PDF, you would see that I have been talking about factual evidence. Some of this is in the eye of the beholder, some isn't. But, anyone who bothers to follow the trail of photos and commentary I have already supplied will likely come up with a much clearer idea of what I'm positing.

Any time the discussion begins to degrade, such as with AMERICANEGRO's snarkiness, I will remove myself out of respect to Jason's usually friendly enough blog. At this point, I will refrain from further comments.

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Brian
2/5/2017 12:38:55 pm

Ah, the rewards of obstinate ignorance.

I really think 80-90% of our current idiocy would vanish, or at least be a lot harder for the other crazies to latch onto, if we put an end to the 24/7 news cycle and cable television. The nuts have always been there, but before cable tv they didn't have a desperately insatiable medium to broadcast their hobbyhorses. Especially when that networks are owned by Murdoch and his ilk.

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Bob Jase
2/6/2017 01:37:44 pm

Myth Hunters already did a really decent episode on this.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5147744/?ref_=ttep_ep5

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