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Odds and Ends: Blood Moons, Berosus, and Peer Review

4/15/2014

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Eclipses of the moon happen so regularly that even astrologers think of them as regular features of the heavens. However, the appearance of four “blood moons,” or eclipses where the moon seems to turn red, in an eighteen month period beginning early this morning have led to bizarre prophecies that this marks the end of the state of Israel or even the Second Coming of Jesus. According to Pastor John Hagee, who previously announced that Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for a planned gay pride rally in New Orleans, the blood moons fulfill the prophecy of Joel (2:31), reiterated in Acts 2:20: “The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.” There will be a solar eclipse on April 29. He isn’t sure that this is the Second Coming, but he believes a “world-changing” event is upon us and that it is intimately connected with the Jews.
Michael Heiser has some informative commentary and links to YouTube videos explaining just why these claims are beyond silly, but I’d like to use this opportunity to share something I stumbled across in reviewing Seneca’s discussion of the end of the world in his Natural Questions (3.29). Embedded in that discussion is a fragment of Berosus on the end times that has something very interesting to say—though not about when the world will actually end.
Some suppose that in the final catastrophe the earth, too, will be shaken, and through clefts in the ground will uncover sources of fresh rivers which will flow forth from their full source in larger volume. Berosus, the translator of [the records of] Belus, affirms that the whole issue is brought about by the course of the planets. So positive is he on the point that he assigns a definite date both for the conflagration and the deluge. All that the earth inherits will, he assures us, be consigned to flame when the planets, which now move in different orbits, all assemble in Cancer, so arranged in one row that a straight line may pass through their spheres. When the same gathering takes place in Capricorn, then we are in danger of the deluge. (trans. John Clark)
To dispense with the date: Graham Hancock, in Fingerprints of the Gods (1995), asserted that Berosus was referring to the conjunction of five planets on May 5, 2000—which included Uranus and Neptune, planets unknown to Berosus. Hancock, who had read and endorsed Richard Noone’s 5/5/2000: Ice, the Ultimate Disaster (1982, rev. ed. 1997), calling it “brilliant,” followed Noone in suggesting that a pole shift might occur on that date. Obviously, it didn’t happen.

But did you catch the really interesting thing in the Berosus fragment? Berosus said that Babylonian astrology predicted both a flood and a fire that would end the earth when the stars were right. Where did we hear that before?

Flavius Josephus reported that the Jews believed in “Adam’s prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water” (Antiquities 1.2.3, trans. William Whiston). Again, in the Latin Life of Adam and Eve: “Our Lord will bring upon your race the anger of his judgement, first by water, the second time by fire” (49.3, trans. R. H. Charles). And of course this follows with all of the derivatives I discussed in my post on the prophecy of Adam. Similarly, the Arab pyramid myth not only preserves the dual destruction but also relates it to astrology, albeit in the deep past: “After a thorough review, it was recognized that a deluge would occur after which would appear a fire out of the constellation Leo which will burn the world” (al-Maqrizi, Al-Khitat 1.40, my trans.).

I don’t recall reading about Berosus’ discussion of Babylonian End Times beliefs in any of the literature on the prophecy of Adam, at least not in any significant depth, but it would seem to be highly relevant given the close connection between the Enochian literature and Mesopotamian mythology and astrology. In a quick literature review, I see a brief mention of the connection in a piece by J. Estlin Carpenter in a 1912 article called “Buddhist and Christian Parallels,” though it is not terribly developed. It is mentioned in a footnote to Guy Stroumsa’s Another Seed (1984), a book about Gnostics, though only by citation; Stroumsa prefers to discuss a parallel text in Plato’s Timaeus, where the Egyptians state that “There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes” (trans. Benjamin Jowett). The conclusion is that the fire and water dual destructions were a broad theme found across the ancient Near East. I am sure there must be other discussions, though I do not have any at my fingertips right now.

It’s interesting, anyway.

Heiser also has another important point that speaks toward the discussion Scott Wolter wants to have about the way peer review suppresses his truths. Heiser points out that Discussions in Egyptology, a peer-reviewed journal, published in 1995 an article debunking the so-called Orion Correlation Theory. This isn’t news except, as he notes, that same journal published Bauval’s original peer-reviewed article on the correlation in 1993, in issue 27: “Cheops’s Pyramid: A New Dating Using the Latest Astronomical Data.” This contradicts two of Wolter’s claims: First, it shows that alternative or fringe material, presented with sufficient academic rigor, can be published in a peer-reviewed journal, and, second, that peer-reviewed journals can and do publish articles that disagree with one another rather than publishing only articles that conform to a fixed dogma.

So, if Robert Bauval can publish his Orion Correlation in a journal, what is the problem with Scott Wolter publishing his findings? I, for one, would welcome a thorough discussion of the solid facts that prove that Oreo cookies are secret Templar-Freemason goddess-worship communion wafers. I found his current published account, in Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers, to practically demand a more thorough analysis.

82 Comments
Gunn
4/15/2014 06:33:23 am

Yes, it is probably so that these four Blood Moons are to signify and usher in obvious change to Israel...as the near seasons change.

Separate from this, something happening in the sky WILL destroy earth, eventually.

Even if God didn't intervene sooner on behalf of humanity, the sky in its harshness will destroy earth. Some non-Biblical references were made here, so I hope people here don't mind me pointing out that the Bible does say there will be a new Heaven and a New Earth. We can suppose that this is because of future happenings in the sky, which will bring enough destruction to Earth to make her uninhabitable for humans.

However, before that awful or awesome time, the Bible speaks of a period of 1,000 years which will be a good, splendid time on earth...a time seemingly not that far off.

Bottom Line: though some of us at this blog roundtable may see frightening occurrences in the sky, portending doom, doom will not come for all.

And our new-found struggle against climate change may not be in vain then, after all, at least for a millennium of years once this period of time begins. In the meanwhile, we still need to be good stewards of the Earth. We still need to make an attempt to care about our oceans and our carbon-laden atmosphere.

Cheer up, Christian inhabitants of Earth! Look up, for your redemption draweth neigh!

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KIF
4/15/2014 06:47:33 am

There you go

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Uncle Ron
4/15/2014 12:32:39 pm

...again.

Gary
4/16/2014 12:44:23 am

Gunn, why is there to be a miles high wall around the New Jerusalem?

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usually few dare to outstrip kynge david's regal 1000 B.C splendour grand
4/16/2014 05:59:06 am

(jad) any wall bigger and tackier than
Herod The Great's is a bad ideaaarr.

Sir Gunn
4/16/2014 11:43:32 am

Gary, here's everything you could possibly want to know about the wall, which seems to symbolize elements of the Garden of Eden and geometric exactitude. Think Templars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jerusalem

Gary
4/16/2014 01:06:08 pm

Gunn, that was a big waste of my time. There was no answer to my question of why there would be a need for God to put a 1500 mile high wall around his ultimate city of peace. If you don't know the answer, be honest enough to just say so.
My point in asking was just to point out this nonsense that is evidence that the writer had no clue about the future or even why cities had walls. It's just something great cities has so it was added to the hallucinatory description.

Gunn
4/16/2014 02:26:35 pm

Gary, why are you purposely being a fool? I gave you two reasons, both having to do with God's own design. If you don't like God's design, take it up Him, not me. Open your eyes and ears. Garden of Eden...geometric exactitude, maybe more etc. Don't play the fool here with me, just because may be an unbeliever. If you don't believe in God, you will never agree with anything I say of a spiritual nature. God Himself, in His Holy Word said: The fool says in his heart, there is no God. So take up your disagreements and disgruntlement and foolishness with your Maker.

A time of peace doesn't have anything to do with the wall, obviously. If you want to imagine a walled city in Heaven now, early, you can also imagine that it might be there so people already in Heaven can't see all the disillusionment running through the minds of their loved ones back on earth...like that beer-drinking song by Jerry Lee Lewis, "Wall Around Heaven, etc."

Gary
4/17/2014 12:56:34 am

So, Gunn, are you saying that you don't believe in a literal New Jerusalem a described in Revelation? You believe, but only in the parts you want? The page you directed me to suggested that it was derivative of something in the Old Testament which just makes it more myth making rather than prophesy. Perhaps you don't believe in prophesy and I'm just assuming you do from your other statements.

Gunn
4/17/2014 04:10:47 am

Gary, the point you're missing is that God can make any number of heavens in any configuration He wants to. There's a lot of information we're not privy to, but there's also a lot of information provided if you choose to study the matter. If God liked certain things in the Old Testament and wants to include those things in the hereafter, that's fine with me. I have no argument with God using any degree of sacred geometry He chooses.

I think God approved of the sudden change in architecture back during the medieval period. God obviously enjoys the science of numbers, and using geometry. Proofs are everywhere, and by the way, this is a spin-off to the Masons/Templars. If nothing else, the Templars appreciated God's use of "Sacred Geometry."

Gary, I wouldn't get hung-up on the walls around the future New Jerusalem. They aren't to keep evil out. God is able to deal with evil--including evil spirits of angels and people--without putting up a wall, whether spiritual or physical.

Gary
4/17/2014 05:37:01 am

"Gary, the point you're missing is that God can make any number of heavens in any configuration He wants to. "

You just make stuff up as you go along, don't you?

Newton in the 1600s opined on a rebuilt Temple [jad]
4/19/2014 08:03:25 am

Galileo and Bishop Ussher are contemporaries,
Robert Hooke and Isaac Newton had their books
published after the Restoration of Charles II in 1660.


https://www.templeinstitute.org/isaac_newton_holy_temple.htm

http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/prism.php?id=90

http://topinfopost.com/2013/12/11/isaac-newton-predicted-that-the-world-would-end-around-2060

Mandalore
4/15/2014 07:03:12 am

The only problem with this being a sign of the End Times is the fact that these events are not uncommon. There will, in fact, be nine such tetrads in the 21st century. The only thing special about this one is that all four will be visible from the US. A little conceited that it is the US eclipses that are indicative of the end of the world. Tetrads are a very normal part of our solar system, why should this one indicate anything special?

Besides, anyone who claims to predict the end of the world is immediately not to be believed according to the Bible. Jesus said (Mat. 24:3) that only the Father knows when the end will come and that it will come like a thief in the night (i.e. a surprise), which means that attempting to predict it is not going to work. But predicting the end of the world does sell books and makes lots of money.

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KIF
4/15/2014 07:21:15 am

Mat. 24:3

Paraphrasing

1 Thessalonians 5:2

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KIF
4/15/2014 11:35:04 am

I predict that Scott Wolter will never put things to the critical test, that he will permanently accept things without question

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Mike M
4/15/2014 02:25:43 pm

In fact I believe there was something of a critical test to which Wolter submitted at least some of his work. Around 2003 or 2004 the Kensington Stone was taken to Sweden to be inspected by the foremost authorities in runic studies. This was to include an inspection by a team of geologists who would review claims about the weathering evidence on the Stone. One upshot of this episode was the publication of the Edward Larsson letters which showed that the rune forms on the Kensington Stone were familiar to working class nineteenth century Swedes. Some described these letters as the ‘smoking gun’ in the Kensington Stone debate making it clear that it was a fake. The geologists who examined the Runestone failed to endorse the claim that the Stone was medieval. That report is available online and has been mentioned previously on this blog. Perhaps some would describe this as a ‘peer review’, but not with a result favorable to Wolter’s forensic study of the Kensington Stone.

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KIF
4/15/2014 02:40:58 pm

The inscription on the KRS contains a linguistic anachronism dating from the sixteenth century. Quoting Kenneth L. Feder:

"...skeptics point to a number of features of the inscription (on the KRS) that seem to indicate an origin far more recent than its fourteenth-century date stamp would imply. For example, the Swedish term 'ophagelse farth' found on the stone, meaning 'discovery', appears to be not just a mistake but an anachronism. The term has not been found on any other Norse document and could not date to before it was borrowed from the French in the sixteenth century. Intriguingly, however, and perhaps not coincidentally, the term was used frequently by a nineteenth-century historian and author, Gustav Storm, in articles he wrote for a Norwegian-language newspaper that was available in Minnesota. Perhaps a forger, conceivably Ohman, saw the term, assumed it was the correct form for a fourteenth-century runestone, and incorporated into his forgery." (Feder, 2011)

what if the KRS's scribe starts a trend in the academia of the Latin 1300s?
4/16/2014 07:52:48 am

what if dusty old manuscripts once had half*latin/half*rune
admixtures of prose? Mark Twain, Ben Franklin and Hunter
Thompson spoke English but read totally differently, even
when being sorta phonetic. if JAMES JOYCE is half irish
and half victorianEra british, i am showing my Gaelic opines.

Titus pullo
4/15/2014 01:27:53 pm

In about for billion years the sun will reach the iron limit in terms of fusion and the earth will be toast. Baring a major asteroid strike or getting zapped by a gamma ray burst from a supernova, the end of days is a long way off. Oh and gunn, I'm darn glad we have co2 in the atmosphere, without it and we would nit be alive.

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Gunn
4/15/2014 03:58:49 pm

Titus pullo, we have too much co2 in the atmosphere, which is contributing to global warming via the greenhouse effect. The oceans are becoming acidic, besides rising due to ice melt. co2 falls in the category of many things where too much of a good thing becomes bad.

My point is that humans can help create better conditions for Earth while she is still alive. Look in China, where people can't breath fresh air and are dying. They look like a new species of humans with masks on their faces. We need to wake up and protect Earth for the sake of our descendents.

The oceans should be enjoyed, not feared. The atmosphere should breath and let us live, not trap us because of our stupidity. Earth continues to be raped and polluted, mainly for the benefit of the wealthy. There will be hell to pay yet for our selfish onslaught against Earth and her oceans and atmosphere.

Yet, there is hope and redemption and an eternal place to live for many...where time shall be no more. Slow motion. A timelessness in which to relax. Old Earth is gone. New Earth is now here, way over there in the timeless zone. Einstein was right...the time warp is real, and we are no longer in a hurry.

We are where we will be, populating and enjoying a New, timeless Earth. All evil is gone. Peace also endures timelessly and endlessly. We have plenty to do to keep us busy. No loafing around on clouds.... The New Earth is as real as the Old Earth was...once a marvelous place to live, now gone.

Personally, I like New Earth better than Old Earth. Thanks, God, for preparing a nice new place for some of us to live. Eternity in a zone of timelessness on a beautiful New Earth is something to look forward to as I gaze up at the current sky--which is full of mystery and foreboding.

God does what He decrees, and His Word does not return void. He created the present expanding universe with Words from His mouth, and He knows precisely how the future universe will behave.

Spirits can live eternally or be destroyed. We are spirits and we live in an unseen spirit world side-by-side with the physical world. There is a certain amount of confusion about the order of things to come in our minds, yet there remains a valid hope in some of our hearts, for we see that God, our Creator, is real.

Right...no one knows the hour of Christ's second coming. We only know by the seasons that the time is fast approaching....

According to Scripture, the eyes of Jews have been temporarily blinded by God. Upon His return, upon their rescue, their eyes will be opened, and they will recognize their long-awaited but already-once-come Messiah. They missed His first coming, but will not miss His second coming. In the meanwhile, we look for the Temple to be rebuilt, in anticipation of His second coming.

(From the Amen Corner)

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KIF
4/15/2014 11:55:21 pm

Hallelujah!
The Lord Has Risen!
Hallelujah!

Titus pullo
4/16/2014 03:40:01 am

What percentage of the atmosphere is co2?

What was it 100 m years ago, 50 m years ago? We are darn lucky to be in the current geological warming given the recent ice age. The earth is pretty tough, a little more co2 is the last thing I would worry about.

Gary
4/16/2014 05:25:29 am

The Christian fantasy of a future time when there will be no more Jews.

Gunn
4/16/2014 11:57:16 am

Gary, there will be plenty of Jews worshipping their Jewish Savior. God's intention is completed. Forget DNA. That which is of the Spirit is Spirit, and that which is of the flesh is flesh.

Gary
4/16/2014 01:12:55 pm

No, Gunn, you believe and hope that the prophecy will come true that most of the Jews will be dead and the minority of survivors converted to Christianity, which is not some sort of advance form of Judaism. The anti-Jewish attitudes are built into Christianity. So now they've gone from actually murdering Jews to just wishing for it.

Gunn
4/16/2014 02:14:29 pm

Gary, do you think it is possible for Christians to love Jews...keeping in mind that many DNA-established Jews are, in fact, Christians? You are confused by trying to separate Jews out from the crowd on the street. On the streets of Heaven, there will be humans of every race.

You are nuts about anti-Jewish attitudes being built into Christianity. Christians--true Christians--love Jews, converted or otherwise. There will be plenty of DNA-Jews in Heaven who will rejoice in the Lord with the rest of us there.

Dude, we're talking about one big happy family, where people don't constantly diss one another over past issues concerning DNA, or over past religious dogma.

Gary
4/17/2014 01:02:55 am

Yes, Gunn, I believe that individual Christians live individual Jews that they know, but the idea that Christians love a whole group of people who have certain beliefs who the Christians hope and pray for the future day when most will be killed and a few converted to other beliefs is absurd.

Yes, those anti-Jewish attitude are in the New Testament, I've read it. Those beliefs are behind centuries of abuse.

You live in a fantasy world.

KIF
4/17/2014 12:25:58 am

Hallelujah!
The Lord Has Risen!
Hallelujah!

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/15/2014 04:02:12 pm

So …

Jason … You figure that "The Oreo Cookie" is a sort of Egyptian Templar Blood Moon Passover Matzoh … ???

Interesting ...

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Only Me
4/15/2014 04:58:04 pm

That would be your "friend and colleague of 25 years". Jason just wants his findings to be published in a journal.

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Matt Mc
4/16/2014 12:32:42 am

Here you go Phil

http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/a-secret-symbol-revealed

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Jason Colavito link
4/16/2014 12:42:37 am

Was this simply too ridiculous to show on TV, or part of the upcoming season? Or maybe Oreo didn't want to advertise on A+E Networks if they accuse them of being part of a conspiracy.

Matt Mc
4/16/2014 12:58:36 am

I don't know I found it a few weeks ago. I just assumed you saw it. It almost looks as they are making a cross promotion with the camera focused on the Nabisco label.

Knights Templar symbol used in Oreo Cookie
4/17/2014 12:47:29 am

Here it is, the video clip
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/a-secret-symbol-revealed

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John Lowe
4/15/2014 11:41:45 pm

Looks like we have good times ahead. Check out this new breakthrough.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/10/game-changer-us-navy-can-now-turn-seawater-jet-fue/

I can't even count the number of times the world was supposed to end during my lifetime. I will believe it when it happens. Otherwise I put my faith in mans ability to overcome, not some stupid alien or ancient myths.

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KIF
4/16/2014 12:30:09 am

Let's hope this flying saucer technology exists at Area 51 (hinted at in the film "Independence Day"), then at least some can escape Armageddon

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Matt Mc
4/16/2014 12:40:22 am

Yeah the seawater to fuel is a pretty cool thing. Still has a long way to go before it is commercially viable but the good news is that is all technology based, right now it takes about 23,000 gallons of seawater to make 1 gallon of fuel but the process will get better. A zero carbon fuel would be great and really help protect our environment.

This is a great example of how good science and research can lead to great things. Hopefully in the future we all can benefit from this science and take a big step moving away from our fossil fuel dependency.

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Paul
4/16/2014 03:39:47 am

According to an article on the Navy news website they are capturing carbon dioxide and hydrogen to create a synthetic hydrocarbon fuel, a fossil fuel by another name.

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2012/fueling-the-fleet-navy-looks-to-the-seas

Titus pullo
4/16/2014 03:46:10 am

This ridiculous obsession that so called fossil fuels are bad is a religion. Sorry there isn't any new energy sources which are more productive in terms of extraction, processing, distribution costs than oil or gas. And you are not going yo support 8 billion people on a wood based energy system. Like I said, this green view has zero to do with science and more to do with a utopian wish of a new garden of Eden where the few elites can pontificate and go to wine tastings avoid work but be artists or whatnot. Sorry the jungle is a bad place, real nature is brutal, civilization does not come cheap.

Matt Mc
4/16/2014 04:06:24 am

Its not that they are bad more than that they are limited and are causing us to create changes in the environment and not just global warming. Mining and other things are altering the very terrain of the landscape. I know for my generation and my children's generation this might not be a huge deal but who knows what will happen and how it will affect things 200 years from now.

I am not against using fossil fuels, I use it everyday when I drive my car. I however am all for using and developing technologies that step away from dependency on fossil fuels. I have been 100% solar powered at home for 2 years now and have been very happy. It is really nice to know that when my neighbors power goes out mine will not. It has also saved me a ton of money and at the same time helps a little bit in encouraging others to explore alternatives to fossil fuels.

I think we should be striving to find more efficient renewable energy resources from both a economic and environmental stand point. It is our responsibility for future generations and to our world around us. To not explore and encourage alternatives is irresponsible. Think what you will but fossil fuels are limited and there is nothing we can do to change that, bottom line.

John Lowe
4/16/2014 05:30:24 am

@ Titus,

The problem with fossil fuels isn't that they are bad but rather that there is only a finite amount. The real problem comes in 2040 when the last barrel of Oil is drawn from the ground. Without new energy sources we won't be able to feed even 1/2 of the current worlds population. New energy sources do need to be developed

all politics begins locally, ultimately...
4/16/2014 06:18:41 am

http://video.pbs.org/program/local-usa/ on the 21st of April,

the next episode of this television series talks about solar panels.

Gunn
4/16/2014 12:27:47 pm

John Lowe, thanks for the reference. I, myself, have been recently propelled towards the consideration of producing hydrogen from water, which currently is being done in Ohio. Hydrogen--jet fuel--can be stored in tanks, similar to propane. Cars can and ARE running on fuel cells, on hydrogen. There are machines currently being produced to create hydrogen, which burns clean.

Reading about this Naval saltwater use, I'm wondering if extensive use of hydrogen as a clean, green fuel can help reduce the rising of the oceans. If the process actually depletes water, it may help.

What can run these new hydrogen-producing machines? Well, for one thing, renewables. Forgive me for saying so here, but I am in fact the patent holder of a brand new kind of wind turbine that can go where others cannot go--because of whirling blades. These new kinds of hydrogen separating machines (using electricity) can be run by using wind power, which is also clean and green.

In the near future, I see my turbine being used with this other technology to create a new way for clean, stored and transportable energy to be utilized on a massive scale. Perhaps this massive scale could help with the Co2 problem, as well as with rising oceans. Ideally, people could produce hydrogen for their own use, making many people individually energy dependent.

Though I recently commissioned an animation video to be made of my new double-enclosed turbine, and received it only a few weeks ago, I'm not at liberty to release it to the general public. As it were, by coincidence, I'm currently in contact with someone who is heavily involved with this reality of producing hydrogen from water.

Fossil fuels are killing the planet unnecessarily early. Big Texas Oil Mentality is killing off our polar bear friends unnecessarily, too. Who cares, right?

Matt Mc
4/16/2014 01:28:02 pm

See Gunn we can agree on something.

I would love to see you wind turbine animation when you release it. I wish only the best for you in this endeavor and hope it is successful. And at the least I hope you can encourage others to think about different ways and ideas of generating energy.

If it is successful I will get you a box of Wolter endorsed Templar Oreo cookies, maybe make you a Oreo cake in the shape of a stonehole.

Gunn link
4/16/2014 02:39:02 pm

Matt McNutt, you got yourself a deal.

Get my email address from the above website, and I'll send you a link to the animation, with the expectation that you'll overlook past disagreements and keep the video to yourself. Prepare to see the totally unexpected.

I like your views on the environment.

Varika
4/17/2014 07:00:45 am

You can't have a zero-carbon fuel while using combustion; it's part of the chemical definition OF combustion. I will also say that other fuels will have their problems, too. Should we move away from fossil fuel dependency? Probably, but not because "it's better for the environment," since it's really not, it's just a different set of environmental problems. We should move away from that dependency, in my opinion, because the renewability cycle on fossil fuels lies in the millions of years range, rather than the few months range that, say, ethanol offers, and because I happen to think that the fossil fuel industries (oil and coal) are having a terrible effect on our economy, so breaking them would mean a certain restructuring.

Oh, and Matt Mc? Why is it that every other creature on the planet is supposed to be allowed to have what it needs, but humans can't? Even if human beings vanished this very instant, the terrain wouldn't be the same 200 years from now, anyway, because of the weathering processes, plate tectonics, etc. The environment is in a constant state of change, so we need to stop worrying about "causing changes" and start focusing on sustainability rather than short-term profit. Mining, for instance, already isn't necessarily always done in the horribly-destructive and wantonly wasteful strip mining fashion. Several mining concerns already work with removing and carefully saving topsoil, and then re-soiling and re-seeding a played-out mine, and of course shaft mining, while it has its own problems, doesn't do nearly so much to impact the local environment.

Oh, and polar bears aren't dying out, they're just trading white fur for brown and moving into grizzly ranges further south. Earth and her creatures are tougher than human arrogance would like to believe.

Matt Mc
4/17/2014 08:00:43 am

Everything on this Planet is allowed to have what it needs, Varika, including humans. Not sure what you ment by that.

All I am saying is that because we have chosen to alter the landscape and utilize the resources that planet has to offer in abundance and that we are capable of growing and learning new technologies I believe it is our responsibility to our selves, our planet and very other living creature (as your say) to work on developing technologies that are less finite and more environmentally friendly that is all and honestly I won't debate that. If you disagree fine I could care less.
Don't assume that because I want to find better more efficient and environmentally friendly ways to that I by into and preach global warming and all that other stuff. I never said I did so if you are making that assumption you are wrong. So that is that if you don't give a shit that is fine, if you want to give me shit about the fact that I care about saving money and want to get away from being dependent on finite resources fine, doesn't bother me at all.

Oh yeah I could care less about the polar bears, don't know why you brought it up, would not bother me at all if they all up and died.

B L
4/16/2014 03:12:11 am

The only reason Scott Wolter will not put forth his KRS work for peer review (I use the term "peer review" in its accepted definition rather than the Scott Wolter definition) is because he has no clue how to assemble and construct a submissible research paper. It's much easier to rail against the establishment than to do the actual work required for your ideas to have a chance at gaining acceptance.

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j.a dickey
4/16/2014 05:11:06 am

^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^
our academia is its
own total complex
sequence & series
of linguistics ghettoz,
SW's Id is in tandem
with the literacy level of
yesteryear's READERs
DIGEST. he popularizes
but i assume he has editors
or people who facilitate his
reports and papers. yes, we
are dealing with a big mutation
on George III's spoken tongue.

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thah pseudo B L
4/16/2014 09:54:25 am

sorry about that. luv...
i wanted to ADDRESS it
to thee neatly & nicely
neither could its gonzo
fool our own NONE SUCH
AGENCY at all, even if they
don't ISP trace. i'm vintage
gonzo, my ascii getz creative.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/16/2014 08:28:53 am

Scott Wolter's work on the Kensington Rune Stone is WELL documented and is out*there for any and all interested persons to read, discuss, critique, evaluate …

Look … If you're wanting hoping expecting demanding that he will transform his 574 page book into a series of reports and monographs that will be delivered to YOUR house via U. S. Mail … No … SORRY … !!!

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Matt Mc
4/16/2014 08:34:50 am

Can he put it on an Oreo cookie, or if he does send it can he include Oreo cookies

B L
4/16/2014 09:11:17 am

Rev., if he doesn't want to jump through the accepted hoops everyone else adheres to that's fine, but then he should shut up about the vast conspiracy crap.

Would it be a vast governmental conspiracy against me if the Minnesota DOT failed to issue me a driver's license? Never mind that I refused to sit for the test! I've proven to my friends that I can drive! I drove my mother from her front door to her mailbox just the other day! The government and the drivers of academia are trying to suppress me.

B L
4/16/2014 09:38:16 am

even if you are only semi-serious, you really are close to a vintage
1960s era OBJECTIONIST argument like the ones by AYN RAND
that questioned all gov't "regs" as to their utilitarian wisdom. i can
give you several big ATLAS SHRUGGED paragraphs in total awe.

B L
4/16/2014 09:42:20 am

^^^ That post most definitely did not come from me.

KIF
4/16/2014 09:47:03 am

Scott Wolter's "work" on the KRS is wishful thinking based on faith

Ever wondered why Wolter has never been asked to peer review anything?

KIF
4/16/2014 09:56:59 am

we all can make neat & tidy leaps of faith or conjecture

KIF (the real KIF)
4/16/2014 11:00:05 am

Some people cannot tell the difference between the subjective and the objective, and are immune to reason and rationality

Only such people believe in the KRS

[jad]
4/16/2014 11:26:13 am

my objectivism is telling me that the internet is one vast turing test

KIF
4/16/2014 11:42:37 am

You think too much

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/17/2014 04:23:39 am

"You will be assimilated … resistance is futile … "

B L
4/17/2014 06:39:00 am

Rev. Phil, the problem (as I see it) is that by bypassing the accepted peer review process Scott Wolter almost assures that his ideas will never be accepted.

I'm not necessarily talking about his work on the KRS here, but rather his pre-Columbian American Knights Templar narrative.

He seems to avoid the professional forum where a third party moderator oversees an informed pro vs. con debate. He only enters the arena of discussion on this subject when he is allowed to both frame and moderate the discussion. If you agree with him the discussion can continue, but if you disagree with him you are labeled as a know-nothing academic and he leaves.

I'm interested in your viewpoint as to whether or not I'm looking at this the wrong way. Please explain.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/17/2014 08:18:34 am

Early on in his geological-minealogical studies of the Kensington Rune Stone, Scott presented his findings and (then tentative) conclusions at two neutral professional meetings -- the Minnesota Chapter of the American Institute of Professional Geologists, and then the Midwest Plains Archaeological Conference (I attended the latter as an invited guest) …

As to the fixed-unmoveable DOGMA that the KRS is an obvious 19th century hoax … Well … notoriously, True Believers are difficult to dissuade ...

j.a.d
4/16/2014 05:13:42 am

whut 90% of the public CAN read
VERSES what 90% of the public
at large mainly guesses at? this
divide between academia and our
pop culture broadens & widens...

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J.A.D
4/16/2014 05:15:11 am

SW=middlebrow
SW= hard working
SW= semi-charismatic
SW= well educated
SW= pitch person

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J.A.D
4/16/2014 05:30:20 am

popularizing in and of itzself ain't a bad thing.
Mark Twain popularized regional dialects thusly.
Isaac Newton popularized his own physics when
he translated his own Principia Latin in the early
1700s. Carl Sagan explained modern science well.
Isaac Asimov is legendary for his 900+ books on
just about any and every topic under, on and about
the sun that we can think of. I hold SW to the same
pithy rules i hold Isaac Asimov to, and yes, I once
met the man on the campus of the U of Mass when
he gave a guest lecture. SW tries to be correct...

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newton himself expected something to happen by or on 2060 A.D in a book of Dan'L way...
4/16/2014 06:03:54 am

Sir Gunn's curious USA aspected "blood moons" are before the big
and possible climate change speculation by wise SIR ISAAC of the
LITTLE ICE AGE. he tried to tie astrology into alchemy + astronomy.
are we the global marketplace Cold War empire in seedy decline???

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clearly clearly clearly
4/16/2014 06:07:12 am

we all will need to pump out all our basements
if we be very near a coastline in today's world.
we all are about to see a sequence of events.
GOTO IPCC reports 1,2,3 + 4 and see a meme
shift via a Keeling curve. yup... this 50/50 thingie.

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j.a.d
4/16/2014 06:14:03 am

sir i.newton opined on the biblical Book of Daniel
potus jamie monroe opines on the Book of dan'L
Jason could live to see whut Gunn + I izz with opinez
about, tie this into the BAMBOO cycle of 1959 and
most recently via NOVA's cutting edge biology science.
http://video.pbs.org/video/1051969546/ <---- ENJOY!

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duckies...
4/16/2014 10:00:43 am

KIF + B L

the fake or pseudo

REV PHIL rants

are gettin passe.

i admit my[jad]

ascii + gonzo is

more street~slut

promiscuous than

is anything by the late

JAMES JOYCE in that

Auld Dublin was truly a

grand sow with many teats

that rolled onto her own brood.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/16/2014 10:47:58 am

Exsqueeze me … ???

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B L
4/16/2014 10:50:11 am

On this we can agree, Rev. Phil Gotsch. :)

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/16/2014 11:15:46 am

Excellent … !!!
(You can be "Garth," and I'll be "Wayne" …)

"Game ON … !!!"

Matt Mc
4/16/2014 01:30:36 pm

I wonder if Gertrude Stein mode is next.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/16/2014 02:17:20 pm

huh …

I don't recall ANY references to "Gertrude Stein" in either of the Wayne's World documentaries …

Matt Mc
4/17/2014 12:24:07 am

Just making comments on his talking and imitating Famous writers known for experimental or absurdist writing style.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/17/2014 07:51:41 am

I dunno …

"Wayne-Stock" has a nicer *ring* to it than, "Stein-Stock" … IMHO …

[jad]
4/16/2014 11:20:29 am

James Joyce

''—Do you know what Ireland is? asked Stephen with cold violence. Ireland is the old sow that eats her farrow.''
James Joyce (1882-1941), Irish author. A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, ch. 5. Stephen Dedalus responds here to his friend's plea for Irish nationalism.

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[jad]
4/16/2014 11:23:47 am

dublin = ireland (admin level!)

cannibalism = end result of rolling over the young

keats + yeats didst suckle on eire's teats

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[jad]
4/16/2014 11:31:05 am

KIF (our own one & only)
has described the poetical
moodiness of my kin prior
to the year 1700 A.D who
lived on the western side of
the auld emerald isle near
Galway. he has penned a neat
description of edmund burke's Id.

"Some people cannot tell the difference between the subjective and the objective, and are immune to reason and rationality."

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[jad]
4/16/2014 11:41:08 am

http://huespedes.cica.es/iberjoyce/MacCarthy.pdf

Ireland is portrayed as an unnatural
phenomenon just like the sow that eats her own offspring, but it has
produced him and he has the right to express himself as he is, be it
acceptable or not to society. He has freedom of self-expression, that very
romantic concept. This very powerful image of the sow eating her young
reveals more to us of Joyce's complex relationship with Ireland. Ireland,
Mother Ireland, like the sow, devours her offspring. Joyce's expression of
himself as an artist, his artist's soul is stifled and killed by his continuing
presence in his native land. But even though he condemns Ireland by using
this image he, perhaps consciously or unconsciously, chose to portray it as
a mother, albeit an unnatural one. And to this mother, to this nation, he is
tied by bonds which are strong and difficult to break. He is angry at the fact
that his ancestors allowed “a handful of foreigners” to conquer them (P 184).

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.
8/17/2014 04:25:30 pm

william joyce was hanged in 1946

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