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On Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories

11/2/2018

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​This week, U.S. President Donald J. Trump said that he would not be “surprised” if billionaire George Soros, who is Jewish, were paying hundreds of Hondurans to trek across Mexico to reach the United States. A week earlier, Soros had been the target of an attempted mail bomb assassination, and the man who committed the largest violent attack on Jews in the United States a few days later cited anti-Soros conspiracy theories among the reasons he believed that Jews needed to die. Writing these words is horrifying, and I struggle to understand exactly how our country has reached this point. It is almost like something out of the Twilight Zone, except that the Twilight Zone was created by a Jew, Rod Serling, who always made sure that in his stories the Nazis didn’t win.
​On her Wednesday Full Frontal broadcast, comedian Samantha Bee correctly noted that the conspiracy theories surrounding George Soros are virtually identical to those told of Nathan Rothschild two centuries ago, and which formed the kernel of the anti-Jewish canard about a cabal of “international bankers” that secretly ran the world for the benefit of the Hebrew people. As Bee noted, conservative leaders for the past century have applied Rothschild conspiracies to various updated Jewish figures. The names may change, but the charges never do.
 
An early twentieth century forgery claiming to be the words of onetime German chancellor Otto von Bismarck is hardly distinguishable from the current babbling from right-wing politicians about Soros’s supposed master plan to destroy America with illegal immigrants. According to a fraud named Conrad Siem, writing in a French anti-Semitic newspaper, Bismarck alleged that the Civil War had been planned to give Jews control over two weak states:
I know of absolute certainty, that the division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the Jewish financiers, to the vigorous republic, confident and self-providing.
​The claim that Soros and other Jewish financiers are trying to sap America’s strength and power by diluting it with Latin blood in order to give the “globalists” absolute control is simply a variation on the theme.
 
I wrote about this in an article I published in All About History earlier this year, and I originally wanted my article to hit more strongly on the key point that these old ideas are not dead and buried objects of antiquarian concern but are alive and terrible today. I was able to get into the final draft mentions of how these anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have appeared not just in the pamphlets and online screeds of white nationalists but also in French political campaigns, on Russian state television, and among the History Channel’s lunatic fringe rogue’s gallery, particularly David Wilcock and the late Jim Marrs. And now they are in the mouth of the American president. The point is that for all the talk about how the extreme right is reviving anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, these ideas don’t persist on the right for no reason. Governments have found it convenient to promote them, and it is no wonder that the extremists who take their cues from their allies in government parrot these ideas back.
 
In my article, I traced the way conspiracy theories trickled down the centuries. I focused on the false claim that Nathan Rothschild, of the British branch of the Rothschild dynasty, had made his fortune by playing the stock market with secret news of Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo to gain unfair advantage:
The whole story was false—Nathan was not the first with the news, and his market gains were relatively modest compared to those who had had faith in a British victory before Waterloo. But the anti-Semitic smear playing off of centuries-old stereotypes of Jews as ruthless, money-hungry villains endured in ways large and small. The story wound its way into media as diverse as the Encyclopedia Britannica and Nazi propaganda films. A few years ago, conspiracy theorist Jim Marrs drew on this story and decided that Nathan Rothschild was an evil agent of gold-hungry extraterrestrials who were, essentially, space Jews—stereotypes mythologized.
​And here we are listening to the president and members of Congress speculating about another Jewish financier is secretly trying to undermine the government in service of diabolical ideals. 
72 Comments
Peter
11/2/2018 09:20:03 am

It is always easier to blame some one else with the troubles created by yourself, hence the readiness with which unthinking partisans adopt simple solutions. Rarely has blaming someone else been successful in solving the problem. But, sadly, 'easy' solutions are easy to adopt. Hence the genocidal actions of so many leaders. This type of solution creates even more problems; the cycle continues until the the complete collapse of the society which adopts these solutions.
The Trump quote is a direct sign that the USA is falling into this state.

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E.P. Grondine
11/2/2018 02:14:09 pm

@Peter -

Yes, many people do not have a clue about the causes of the decline of the US manufacturing sector, and they are willing to accept Trump's, Rush's and Newt's explanations and slogans, because those rationalizations absolve them from any blame in it.

The Soros stuff is just the more bizarre manifestation of this.

We're all here for this ride, and are going along on it.

We'll also all get to see what happens next. It is likely to be not pretty.

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Joe Scales
11/2/2018 10:12:44 am

Let's just cut to the chase here, rather than muster tenuous political extrapolations. Trump is not an anti-Semite. Period.

Carry on.

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Frank
11/2/2018 12:05:57 pm

Joe, is not Trump considered an idiot by many? Don't tell me that you defend those very idiots that you tell others not to argue with? Trump is anti-everything that stands as decent, Period

You are missing the point which Jason is wanting to make. Carry on!

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Joe Scales
11/2/2018 01:31:27 pm

I'd argue with you Frank... but you're an idiot. So you'll have to carry on without me.

A different Jim
11/2/2018 12:32:27 pm

Whether or not Trump is antisemitic in his thoughts and beliefs is both unknowable and irrelevant. That his rhetoric helps to normalize this belief and emboldens antisemitic individuals to take action is very much knowable and relevant. Trump's words and ideas moved Cesar Sayoc to mail pipe bombs to Trump's perceived enemies, including George Soros. Robert Bowers parroted Trump's statements on the "migrant caravan" and blamed the Jews before shooting up a synagogue. Whether Trump agrees with or endorses either one of these individuals is, again, unknowable and beside the point; Sayoc and Bowers were certainly influenced by Trump's words. That is indisputable. Period.

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Joe Scales
11/2/2018 01:04:14 pm

Association fallacy, as well as bullshit politics. Jodie Foster inspired a would be assassin. Go rail against her.

Americancool"Disco"Dan
11/2/2018 01:51:28 pm

So did J.D. Salinger. Of course John Lennon being a wifebeater deserved killing. Mark David Chapman (M.D. Mogen David Star of David Jew) was years too late in my view. And don't forget the woman who shot Andy Warhol; Society for Cutting Up Men

A different Jim
11/2/2018 01:55:14 pm

Jodie Foster never publicly advocated assassination attempts against Ronald Reagan. John Hinckley Jr. was obsessed with Jodie and believed that killing Ronald Reagan would win her attention. His actions had nothing to do with Jodie's stated views or opinions. In fact, Hinckley had targeted Carter before Reagan was elected under the same motivation. There is very little overlap in the Carter/Reagan venn diagram other than assassinating them while they were in office would certainly make Jodie Foster aware of your existence.

An Anonymoous Nerd
11/2/2018 07:44:21 pm

Mr. Scales:

The Jodie Foster analogy fails for reasons which should be obvious. In case they aren't, however: Jodie Foster acted in a movie that served to inspire a would-be Presidential assassin. By contrast President Trump deliberately courts unpleasant elements in our society, and fans those flames, in the name of acquiring political support.

Those two things are not the same. Not even close.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Joe Scales
11/3/2018 09:20:54 am

"Jodie Foster never publicly advocated assassination attempts against Ronald Reagan..."

And Bowers explicitly condemned Trump, yet you link them for political convenience. You cling to association fallacy with your bullshit politics. Try that fact on for size. I mean... if you actually care to see the folly in your words. Look it up. It's easy to do: "association fallacy"

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/3/2018 01:35:39 pm

Bowers rejected Trump for not being hostile to Jews as a class, so you can defend Trump on those grounds — but Bowers bought into Trump's treatment of the migrant caravan as an "invasion." Where Trump suggests Soros is somehow engineering the caravan, Bowers blames all Jews. The idea that Jews are somehow behind the immigration of non-white people into this country is a widespread belief in the alt-right; remember the Charlottesville white supremacists, who chanted "Jews will not replace us?"

Now, Trump has not adopted that notion. He's just adopted the notion that immigration is an existential threat to the United States. He claims, without the slightest evidence, that the migrant caravan contains "criminals and unknown Middle Easterners" (i.e., terrorists). He wants to secure the border using more troops than there are people in the caravan; using the military as law enforcement is illegal except in emergencies, which this isn't, so the Pentagon would only agree to have those troops work in support roles. Trump said that if the migrants throw rocks at the troops, the troops should shoot at them; he took flak for saying that, because that's a war crime, and he was forced to walk it back. He's pushing to end birthright citizenship, he has pardoned a sheriff who tortured illegal immigrants in his prisons, and he took children away from their parents and threw them into makeshift prisons.

These are the actions of a demagogue who's using xenophobia to grab as much power as he can. In the case of Bowers, some of that xenophobia ended up hitting a group that Trump didn't mean to target. But does that mean he'll stop screaming about the imminent danger of a few thousand destitute people from Central America? Hell, no.

Joe Scales
11/4/2018 06:45:53 pm

If they were coming across our borders to vote pro-life, I suppose some folks might finally understand the distinction in regard to what constitutes legal immigration. Till then, it's the same bullshit politics.

You're not morally superior. You're politically corrupt.

Jim
11/2/2018 10:39:30 am

Scary times when once again anti-Semitic hate is being used to fuel political gain. It never ends well.
We can only hope some teeth get pulled in a few days.

On a lighter note, (and an off topic heads up) our hilarious friend William Smith has written a book !!

The Holy Grail in America: and The Hunters of Ohio Rock THOR & Annie Cloutier
By William Smith, Annie Cloutier, Cheryl Prophater and Berry Fell

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BZWSZM4/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1523043783&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Holy+Grail+in+America&fbclid=IwAR008-pLkJ0uHeeUZw6KHP6-PF8RTFXcXvH2zNq4awGWIrY7d-sETNds6No

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Hal
11/2/2018 12:11:50 pm

The very first sentence has a serious and stupid grammatical error. What a retarded blog.

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Jason Colavito link
11/2/2018 01:32:54 pm

Are you referring to my use of the subjunctive? "Were" is correct because it is a subjunctive form referring to a situation contrary to fact.

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Americancool"disco"dan Hardcastle
11/2/2018 01:39:37 pm

I checked that after reading Hal's post and yes, Hal is an idiot.

Hal
11/2/2018 04:26:32 pm

Wrong retard. Go back down to your mom’s basement.

Jim
11/2/2018 04:33:48 pm

Actually he got the right retard, he actually referenced you by name.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/2/2018 07:46:57 pm

[The very first sentence has a serious and stupid grammatical error. What a retarded blog. ]

No it doesn't.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Aaa
11/2/2018 12:13:55 pm

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/george-soros-heres-my-plan-to-solve-the-asylum-chaos-2015-09-29?mg=prod/accounts-mw

First, the EU has to accept at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future.

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BBB
11/4/2018 05:53:18 am

https://youtu.be/53A5AJoRxF0

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Craig Johnston
11/2/2018 01:16:06 pm

It is easy to label people as racist or anti-semetic when you disagree or dislike them. I am no Trump defender but out-word labeling or billing someone a racist is watered down and is hurting the ability to go after those who clearly are. After a while, when everyone you disagree with is a racist or anti-semite, people just stop listening. The true racists and anti-semites fly under the radar and are forgotten. This must stop.

Trump's son-in-law is Jewish, his grand children will be Jewish. Trump moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem under heavy criticism, something other presidents, including Obama promised to do but never did. The leader of the Jewish state openly declares Trump as his partner and confidant.

All public evidence says he is not anti-semetic. Some would say extreme evidence to the contrary.

This blog entry and statements defending it are:

A Bad Conspiracy Theory

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Jason Colavito link
11/2/2018 01:34:33 pm

As we have seen may times on this blog, you don't have to believe a conspiracy theory to make use of it. One can parrot conspiratorial ideas ignorantly, and one can also be indifferent to the causes and consequences of them.

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Craig Johnston
11/2/2018 03:04:17 pm

Nice try here. You are clearly not ignorant nor do you parrot conspiratorial ideas ignorantly on this blog. This entry is clearly not indifferent and most the other entries I have read here don't qualify as indifferent. In fact you are a talented and surgical critic. There is always a perspective of opinion, criticism or agreement (less) on the blog's subjects from the author that I have read. I enjoy it regularly and thank you for your work. I, however, do not agree with this though.

The only explanation here in my mind is this blog is using the the conspiracy theory as a device to promote a perspective. The only ignorance or indifference here I can see is the lack of any evidence pointing to the contrary of the pro-ported subject, which is easily obtained with a quick review of what is going on the world.

This idea is akin to those bloggers on the right who blamed Bernie Saunders for the conservative baseball practice shooting on radical socialists that are trying to take over America by killing conservative members of congress. Ridiculous.

Also, it could be mentioned that the Koch Brothers and their families, the Bizaro World twin of the Soros family in the political spectrum has 100's of credible death threats over the years. But if the individual is on the right, Soros is evil. If the individual is on the left, the Koch's are evil.

The true story/fact here: There are mentally unstable people on both sides who can be triggered and will take horrific action if prompted by hate speech and label making mixed with idealism which is always vailed is political rhetoric.

Joe Scales
11/3/2018 09:28:00 am

It's nothing new. Politics makes Jason sloppy. Pointing it out only has him dig himself a deeper hole in this regard.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/3/2018 12:00:46 pm

[Politics makes Jason sloppy.]

"Material Joe Scales does not like" is not the same thing as "sloppy material."

-An Anonymous Nerd

Jim
11/2/2018 01:48:12 pm

Anti-Semitic or not, Trump has no problem using other peoples anti-semitism to promote his own personal agenda. And he obviously cares not one iota about the bloody consequences.

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An Anonymous Nerd
11/3/2018 11:58:35 am

[Trump has no problem using other peoples anti-semitism to promote his own personal agenda.]

Correct. While he simultaneously moves the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. It's a creepy combination but it's obviously working really well for him.

The shooter dude is, I fear, the first wind in a storm that'll blow over the United States sooner or later. For him, Trump just doesn't go far enough. According to press accounts his social media posts make that point horrifyingly explicit.

-An Anonymous Nerd

AmericanCool"Disco"dan
11/2/2018 02:49:11 pm

"Trump's son-in-law is Jewish, his grand children will be Jewish. Trump moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem under heavy criticism, something other presidents, including Obama promised to do but never did. The leader of the Jewish state openly declares Trump as his partner and confidant. "

Any major Jew with half a heart surely would tell you my friend that Jewness does not pass in a patrilineal fashion. It goes through the matrilineal thingamajig, Except when it comes to Abraham so their scriptures lie as all scrptures do.

Remember when Israeli jews tried to assassinate President Truman with a letter bomb? Remember the slaughter of the the USS Liberty?

Moving the embassy was a mistake, Israel was a mistake and our relationship with it is a mistake. All caused by Jews whose own scriptures say they invaded and slaughtered the inhabitants. They have NO claim to the land they currently occupy.

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Doc Rock
11/2/2018 03:42:14 pm

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/complete-idiots-guide-to-understanding-judaism-rabbi-benjamin-blech

Something to look into.

I think a bottle of Manishewitz wine is in order for this evening.

Doc Rock
11/2/2018 03:55:44 pm

It is becoming more of a challenge to teach college classes about race and racism and about political ideologies such as Nazism when such concepts have increasingly become catch-all terms for anyone who is "mean" and has a differing political philosophy. That's how you end up with mobs of protestors standing in the street screaming about the Nazis inside at a Ben Shapiro appearance. If you point this out then some folks will really kick it into overdrive by trying to equate Shapiro with circa-1940 Jewish collaborators in Nazi Germany.

I guess that's what happens when the popularity of the Soup Nazi character on Seinfeld bleeds over into American political discourse.

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A Different Jim
11/2/2018 04:20:04 pm

I think the problem is that the president says there are good people on both sides when one side is filled with tiki torch wielding self identified Nazis. Pretending that white supremacists and Neo Nazis do not feel empowered under the current administration is dangerous and naive.

Doc Rock
11/2/2018 04:36:33 pm

A Different Jim,

It is also naïve and dangerous to show up on a college campus and start screaming Nazi and burning stuff and attacking people because someone like Shapiro shows up. Violence and suppression of free speech is unacceptable whether it is done under a Swastika or Antifa Flag.

I'm not happy with the discourse and conduct of many people on either side of the aisle. But the bottom line is that misusing concepts like racism, Nazi, etc. is intellectually dishonest, often counterproductive, and an insult to people who have actually suffered at the hands of Nazis, etc.

Doc Rock
11/2/2018 04:47:03 pm

I should add that it is safe to assume that right wing extremists are going to feel enabled when by someone like Trump (or arguably any Republican) is elected. But they are also enabled when left wing extremists go out seeking violent confrontations, as opposed to peaceful counterprotest, because that is precisely what many of them want.

Noam Chomsky had some wise words on this matter about the time as Charlottesville. Not surprisingly he caught hell for it from many on the American left who previously loved him.

Naughtius
11/2/2018 01:22:59 pm

When Trump went virtue signalling on Alex Jones show, fo you really think he was reaching out to normal people?

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Americancool"Disco"Dan
11/2/2018 01:33:51 pm

JHVH, everyone be so worried about the Jewses. Invaders from the south aren't wanted so they will "dilute" the country, they're wanted because due to the DECENNIAL census they will create more seats in Congress, more opportunities for Democrats and more actual Democrat voters.

The Berlin Wall kept people in. We should be keeping people out. The caravan invaders should be met with a corridor of machine fire. Will children be killed? I didn't bring the children, the invaders did. That said, we should immediately stop supporting the Saudis who TRAVEL to Yemen to kill children.

Speaking of anti-semitism, how are those Palestinians doing? As long as there's an Israeli boot on Palestinian necks there's a problem. I hate agreeing with Roger Waters but sometimes you have to.

The canard that the idea that Jews influence stuff is just that, a canard about a canard. It's just a fact of life and it's not keeping me down. Who controls Hollywood? Jews. Twas ever thus since the 1920s and I'm fine with it. Mafia? Eyetalians, but leave us not forget Meyer Lansky.

It's early days yet for Mr. Sayoc so let's not get ahead of ourselves and he still has time to get Jack Ruby'ed. Anyone who reads theintercept.com knows the FBI has a history of inducing people to commit crimes they would otherwise not commit. In this case it does look like he was ready and willing without much inducement, but the patsy possibility cannot be discounted. How did he deliver those packages from Florida to Washington DC and NYC without postmarks? My money's on fake, fake, fake.

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Americancool"Disco"dan
11/2/2018 02:07:03 pm

"the Twilight Zone was created by a Jew, Rod Serling, who always made sure that in his stories the Nazis didn’t win."

Werner Klemperer, a Jew, who played Colonel Klink on Hogan's Heros told the producers he would quit if Klink ever "won".

Barry Williams, another Jew, told the producers of the Brady Bunch that he would quit if he couldn't bang the bejeebers out of Maureen McCormick and show up to work loaded on pot.

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Frank
11/2/2018 02:22:02 pm

And Jesus, another Jew, told everyone that if you don't turn the other cheek, and also if you don't love your enemies, more than likely you will go to hell. Winning heaven is not everything, it's the only thing...the only thing that should concern our thoughts and actions.

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Frank
11/2/2018 02:55:32 pm

Much is discussed about Plato's Atlantis, but little understood is the reason for why Plato gave it to us. Naturally having been a followup to his Republic, it is there that we must look for Atlantis.

It's interesting what Jason is grasping when he says that: "Writing these words is horrifying, and I struggle to understand exactly HOW OUR COUNTRY HAS REACHED THIS POINT."

Shall we take Trump and, due to his insatiable quest for wealth over virtue, which makes him a lover of gain, and together with his habitual lying, make him out to be the reason why our country has reached this point? What point? The same point reached by Atlantis when it attracted Zeus' attention.

Is it then not this, the very reason for the degrade of an earthly ideal state? An ideal democratic state set up by specific laws to insure continuity, as long as the laws were respected, and virtue was to predominate all actions by the rulers themselves? And as long as virtue was upheld on all matters, things went well. For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, they were obedient to the laws, and well-affectioned towards the god, whose seed they were; for they possessed true and in every way great spirits, uniting gentleness with wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, caring little for their present state of life, and thinking lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which seemed only a burden to them; neither were they intoxicated by luxury; nor did wealth deprive them of their self-control; but they were sober, and saw clearly that all these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another, whereas by too great regard and respect for them, they are lost. Or better put, they are sunk!

Well, but what ought to be the criterion? Is any better than experience and wisdom and reason?
There cannot be a better, he said.
Then, I said, reflect. Of the three individuals, which has the greatest experience of all the pleasures which we enumerated? Has the lover of gain, in learning the nature of essential truth, greater experience of the pleasure of knowledge than the philosopher has of the pleasure of gain?
The philosopher, he replied, has greatly the advantage; for he has of necessity always known the taste of the other pleasures from his childhood upwards: but the lover of gain in all his experience has not of necessity tasted—or, I should rather say, even had he desired, could hardly have tasted—the sweetness of learning and knowing truth.
Then the lover of wisdom has a great advantage over the lover of gain, for he has a double experience?
Yes, very great.

Last of all comes the tyrannical man; about whom we have once more to ask, how is he formed out of the democratical? and how does he live, in happiness or in misery?
Yes, he said, he is the only one remaining.
There is, however, I said, a previous question which remains unanswered.
What question?
I do not think that we have adequately determined the nature and number of the appetites, and until this is accomplished the inquiry will always be confused.
Well, he said, it is not too late to supply the omission.
Very true, I said; and observe the point which I want to understand: Certain of the unnecessary pleasures and appetites I conceive to be unlawful; every one appears to have them, but in some persons they are controlled by the laws and by reason, and the better desires prevail over them—either they are wholly banished or they become few and weak; while in the case of others they are stronger, and there are more of them.
Which appetites do you mean?
I mean those which are awake when the reasoning and human and ruling power is asleep; then the wild beast within us, gorged with meat or drink, starts up and having shaken off sleep, goes forth to satisfy his desires; and there is no conceivable folly or crime—not excepting incest or any other unnatural union, or parricide, or the eating of forbidden food—which at such a time, when he has parted company with all shame and sense, a man may not be ready to commit.
Most true, he said.
But when a man's pulse is healthy and temperate, and when before going to sleep he has awakened his rational powers, and fed them on noble thoughts and inquiries, collecting himself in meditation; after having first indulged his appetites neither too much nor too little, but just enough to lay them to sleep, and prevent them and their enjoyments and pains from interfering with the higher principle—which he leaves in the solitude of pure abstraction, free to contemplate and aspire to the knowledge of the unknown, whether in past, present, or future: when again he has allayed the passionate element, if he has a quarrel against any one—I say, when, after pacifying the two irrational principles, he rouses up the third, which is reason, before he takes his rest, then, as you know, he at

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Frank
11/2/2018 03:02:22 pm

Continued.
as you know, he attains truth most nearly, and is least likely to be the sport of fantastic and lawless visions.
I quite agree.
In saying this I have been running into a digression; but the point which I desire to note is that in all of us, even in good men, there is a lawless wild-beast nature, which peers out in sleep. Pray, consider whether I am right, and you agree with me.
Yes, I agree.
And now remember the character which we attributed to the democratic man. He was supposed from his youth upwards to have been trained under a miserly parent, who encouraged the saving appetites in him, but discountenanced the unnecessary, which aim only at amusement and ornament?
True.
And then he got into the company of a more refined, licentious sort of people, and taking to all their wanton ways rushed into the opposite extreme from an abhorrence of his father's meanness. At last, being a better man than his corruptors, he was drawn in both directions until he halted midway and led a life, not of vulgar and slavish passion, but of what he deemed moderate indulgence in various pleasures. After this manner the democrat was generated out of the oligarch?
Yes, he said; that was our view of him, and is so still.
And now, I said, years will have passed away, and you must conceive this man, such as he is, to have a son, who is brought up in his father's principles.
I can imagine him.
Then you must further imagine the same thing to happen to the son which has already happened to the father:—he is drawn into a perfectly lawless life, which by his seducers is termed perfect liberty; and his father and friends take part with his moderate desires, and the opposite party assist the opposite ones. As soon as these dire magicians and tyrant-makers find that they are losing their hold on him, they contrive to implant in him a master passion, to be lord over his idle and spendthrift lusts—a sort of monstrous winged drone—that is the only image which will adequately describe him.
Yes, he said, that is the only adequate image of him.

And when his other lusts, amid clouds of incense and perfumes and garlands and wines, and all the pleasures of a dissolute life, now let loose, come buzzing around him, nourishing to the utmost the sting of desire which they implant in his drone-like nature, then at last this lord of the soul, having Madness for the captain of his guard, breaks out into a frenzy: and if he finds in himself any good opinions or appetites in process of formation, and there is in him any sense of shame remaining, to these better principles he puts an end, and casts them forth until he has purged away temperance and brought in madness to the full.
Yes, he said, that is the way in which the tyrannical man is generated.
And is not this the reason why of old love has been called a tyrant?
I should not wonder.
Further, I said, has not a drunken man also the spirit of a tyrant?
He has.
And you know that a man who is deranged and not right in his mind, will fancy that he is able to rule, not only over men, but also over the gods?
That he will.
And the tyrannical man in the true sense of the word comes into being when, either under the influence of nature, or habit, or both, he becomes drunken, lustful, passionate? O my friend, is not that so?

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You have no idea
11/2/2018 05:49:28 pm

Frank, tell us: Why does Atlantis fall into decadence, although it has best laws? And how does its counterpart Athens manage to avoid decadence?

Riley V
11/3/2018 10:53:48 am

TL;DR

Next time give us a link.

Perol
11/2/2018 04:39:25 pm

It's really amazing that Jason Colavito who is very skillful writer and generally intelligent man is also capable of writing such crazy post like this one. Mixing Donald Trump with antisemitism is just mind-boggling. This guy is probably the most pro-Jewish president of the USA in the last 100 years. But here is a problem: Jason Colavito surely knows that, exactly the same like political commentators know that Trump is a friend of Jews and Israel. But Donald Trump is 'right-wing' politician and in the last 50 years it was common belief that the biggest antisemitics were on the right-wing of the political spectrum.

No, it's not true. Leftists are the biggest antisemitics and the biggest critics of the Israel. This thing shfted many decades ago. Just listen to Jeremy Corbyn or leftists from Sweden, Norway and France. The biggest friends of the Jews are actually on the right-wing (Trump, Italian right-wing, Poland right-wing, Hungarian right-wing, UK right-wing). Jason Colavito is trying to build a false narrative here and it is really dangerous because this man is regarded as good sceptic capable of critical thinking. He is using his position to build this false narration without single evidence what user Craig Johnston clearly proved few posts above. This is disgusting. Stop pushing this fake narrative, because right-wing supports Jews and it's lefists who are so negative towards Israel and Jews.

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Jason Colavito link
11/2/2018 04:47:36 pm

It doesn't matter what Donald Trump thinks. It matters what the crazy people believe he is saying, and they hear him parroting the code words--"globalists," "Soros," etc.--that they use to talk about Jews. Trump, I believe, is too dim to know what he is doing and simply is repeating what he hears on cable news, the true vector of villainy in the piece.

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Americancool"Disco"Dan
11/2/2018 05:40:35 pm

Keep in mind that like the "Occupy Wall Street" idiots, "Antifa" also talks about "globalists". I know it's short for "anti-fascist" but Antifa is essentially anarchist and anarchists always and without fail cause the installation of a strong gang in power, the opposite of anarchy. Cf. the Ukraine slaughter and the mass deportation of the peoples of the Balticum.

It's all a scheme to have sex with dim-witted college girls.

Frank
11/2/2018 07:46:08 pm

Come on Jason, hold the ground you have gained. It does matter, what Trump thinks. Trump thinks only of himself. He could care less if his children or grand kids go to the dogs. What Trump does and says is all meant for his gain. And as that old saying goes, he would sell his grandmother, for a price. To Trump, everything is all about money, and the power that goes with large quantities of it. He will lie tooth and nail to get an advantage over anyone that gets into his way of moneymaking. Trump's way of thinking could not be better described than by Thrasymachus, as Plato has him describe the picture of the unjust man. And Thrasymachus was of opinion that a strongman, a man of true and great power, if he is worth anything as a ruler, ought to use his power and position for personal gains, and not for the betterment of his subjects.

Tell me, Socrates, have you got a nurse?
Why do you ask such a question, I said, when you ought rather to be answering?
Because she leaves you to snivel, and never wipes your nose: she has not even taught you to know the shepherd from the sheep.
What makes you say that? I replied.
Because you fancy that the shepherd or neatherd fattens of tends the sheep or oxen with a view to their own good and not to the good of himself or his master; and you further imagine that the rulers of states, if they are true rulers, never think of their subjects as sheep, and that they are not studying their own advantage day and night. Oh, no; and so entirely astray are you in your ideas about the just and unjust as not even to know that justice and the just are in reality another’s good; that is to say, the interest of the ruler and stronger, and the loss of the subject and servant; and injustice the opposite; for the unjust is
lord over the truly simple and just: he is the stronger, and his subjects do what is for his interest, and minister to his happiness, which is very far from being their own. Consider further, most foolish Socrates, that the just is always a loser in comparison with the unjust. First of all, in private contracts: wherever the unjust is the partner of the just you will find that, when the partnership is dissolved, the unjust man has always more and the just less. Secondly, in their dealings with the State: when there is an income tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the same amount of income; and when there is anything to be received the one gains nothing and the other much. Observe also what happens when they take an office; there is the just man neglecting his affairs and perhaps suffering other losses, and getting nothing out of the public, because he is just; moreover he is hated by his friends and acquaintance for refusing to serve them in unlawful ways. But all this is reversed in the case of the unjust man. I am speaking, as before, of injustice on a large scale in which the advantage of the unjust is more apparent; and my meaning will be most clearly seen if we turn to that highest form of injustice in which the criminal is the happiest of men, and the sufferers or those who refuse to do injustice are the most miserable–that is to say tyranny, which by fraud and force takes away the property of others, not little by little but wholesale; comprehending in one, things sacred as well as profane, private and public; for which acts of wrong, if he were detected perpetrating any one of them singly, he would be punished and incur great disgrace– they who do such wrong in particular cases are called robbers of temples, and man-stealers and burglars and swindlers and thieves. But when a man besides taking away the money of the citizens has made slaves of them, then, instead of these names of reproach, he is termed happy and blessed, not only by the citizens but by all who hear of his having achieved the consummation of injustice. For mankind censure injustice, fearing that they may be the victims of it and not because they shrink from committing it. And thus, as I have shown, Socrates, injustice, when on a sufficient scale, has more strength and freedom and mastery than justice; and, as I said at first, justice is the interest of the stronger, whereas injustice is a man’s own profit and interest.
Thrasymachus, when he had thus spoken, having, like a bathman, deluged our ears with his words, had a mind to go away. But the company would not let him; they insisted that he should remain and defend his position; and I myself added my own humble request that he would not leave us.


Joe Scales
11/3/2018 09:39:13 am

"It doesn't matter what Donald Trump thinks. It matters what the crazy people believe he is saying,.."

You would never apply this concept universally. It is a political slur. Pure and simple. Again, your politics are making you sloppy and giving you the appearance of ignorance. But hey, it's only your credibility that's at issue.

AmericanCool"Disco"dan
11/2/2018 06:53:04 pm

Don'f forget "neocon" which is liberal code for "Jew". That said I think neocons are wrong on everything and the U.S. should get out of every war it's currently involved in. This includes the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians, the Saudi slaughter of Yemenis, the illegal invasion of Syria and whatever CENTCOM is doing in Africa.

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Still another jim
11/2/2018 07:38:07 pm

Actually Hal is correct in this common usage.

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Americancool"Disco"dan
11/2/2018 10:21:47 pm

Actually he's not. On the other hand he's an anus. Much like Chief.

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Riley V
11/3/2018 09:40:18 am

I like this blog because we very seldom dip into politics. Clearly the commenting pool is small, and it seems that many of you know each other personally.
My assumption has been that many of y’all are academics, given the vitriol in arguments over whether Antlantis had generators or batteries.

For over 40 years I have evaluated the personality, mental, and social problems of individuals. My focus has always been to help people navigate a complex society more successfully, based on mutually agreed upon definitions of success.

Donald Trump is willing to use Racist, Sexist, and Anti-Semitic memes to further his view of success. Clearly, these constructs still work in 21st Century America.

He is the most divisive President since Buchanon. Let us all hope Mr. Trump leaves office with an America in better shape than the one Lincoln inherited.

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Jim
11/3/2018 11:38:03 am

" Let us all hope Mr. Trump leaves office with an America in better shape than the one Lincoln inherited."

Scary times, the "It could never happen to us", "It would never happen in the USA" fallacy is on full display.
Guys like Adolf Hitler, Julius Caesar, Putin etc. happen all the time throughout history including modern day.
Trump has used what power he has to grab more power. He has subverted the FBI to put his man on the Supreme Court.
He is looking at personally controlling the armed forces.
He is attempting to personally rewrite The Constitution to suit his agenda.
This is happening !,,,, Scary times indeed !

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Joe Scales
11/5/2018 10:13:59 am

Dude... that's all bullshit politics. There is nothing new in what is happening now. How smart a president is has no bearing on their effectiveness. Likewise, how moral they are. You pick a side based upon your political tribe, then truth fails to matter. Only slant and spin for political gain. And that's the crux Jim, right there. It's a shift in power, and how it came to be. That's what's troubling the insiders. Those who pulled the strings. Your strings.

Jim
11/5/2018 02:32:50 pm

Nope, I am Canadian and Trump scares the bejesus out of me. I have no political tribe.

We have a huge global warming problem and Trump has intentionally decided to make it worse instead of trying to divert an impending (in our lifetime) catastrophe.
He is trying to snatch ever more power to become dictator,
Sending the army to face barefoot brown migrants with lethal force.
He wanted to invade Venezuela.
He has his finger on the nuclear button and wants to gain control of the military of the only superpower in the world.
A man such as Trump given time and the power of the US could become many times more devastating than Hitler.

Hitler started with a very weak Germany and ripped the world a new one.
Trump, on the other hand is the Leader of the worlds most powerful nation and the worlds only superpower. Toss in a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons for good measure.

I have no dog in the Dem vs Rep fight, just get Trump the hell out of there. He is filling all the positions of power with yes men and stooges

WAKE THE FUCK UP !

RiverM
11/5/2018 03:52:23 pm

Jim, you should worry about your own land. Economic migrants and illegals are heading into Canada in droves. Hotels and college dormitories have been filled with "refugees" leaving Canadian students, citizens and tourists in quite a predicament, funded by taxpayers while your PM claims there isn't enough money to go to existing military personnel and veterans.


I'll take Trump's rhetoric any day over Trudeau's passing of M103 and the existence of Sharia law in Canada.

Joe Scales
11/5/2018 05:57:53 pm

Well, it's not like there's no liberal wing in Canada Jim, or a global tribe for same. You really ought to be more politically skeptical no matter where you live.

Jim
11/5/2018 06:19:59 pm

Actually I worry more about the sharing a border with a Trumpian US that uses 20% of the worlds oil production and is rapidly depleting their own meager supply. When does the US run out, 10 years or so? Substantially less if Trump starts a war.
Canada will be right in Trumps cross-hares.

Joe Scales
11/6/2018 10:03:17 am

So, they're just as crazed in Canada then. Didn't seem that way last time I was there. Stuff was just really expensive.

Objectivity
11/8/2018 07:56:10 am

Yeah Joe Scales
If you can't see how we are literally sprinting toward a fascist state with the Trump dynasty then you need serious remediation in WW1 and WW2 German history.

Trump is using the idiots in the conservative dominionist republican party to win win win the world, pretending he only represents half our population but 0% of the Constitution. He appears oblivious, but there's plenty of money to support his kingship coming from the fucktard pro Israeli wing.

Read more books

Jim
11/8/2018 08:46:16 am

Tighten up your sphincters folks, Trump has crossed the Rubicon.

Joe Scales
11/8/2018 10:18:35 am

Objectivity? More like imbecility. Take your bullshit politics and false equivalencies elsewhere.

Objectivity
11/9/2018 06:36:15 pm

@ Joe S.
Fellatio much? You're just mumbling.
I can't understand your bullshit and triggered sycophantic defense when Trump is balls deep in your mouth.

History is Politics- which you would begin to understand if you studied more.

Joe Scales
11/9/2018 07:30:52 pm

Begone nobody.

Frank
11/3/2018 11:23:05 am

Mighty Joe Scales, are you not an arrogant bitch? as some of your intelligent friends you do argue with would put it to you here.

"I'd argue with you Frank... but you're an idiot. So you'll have to carry on without me."

Really Joe, is that any way to respond to a simple opinion expressed by an "idiot," which contradicted your "intelligent" opinion? You seem to consider not whether a thing is
or is not true, but who the speaker is. And which only related the fact that you failed to grasp the essence of Jason's thoughts and worries for our nation.

You, Joe, my friend, make too much of yourself, as you just may be the idiot in the bunch, and don't know it. My God, I think you are a loyal Trumpist! Heaven forbid! You people cannot argue, as you are only polemical for the mere pleasure of it. Besides, you argue with yourself fairly well, and don't need any outside help. And not to mention that you are always too short. You give little substance on which an argument can be conducted.

If you were a really intelligent person, you would have intended the true scope of my comment directed at you. It was not to engage you in an argument, as it was meant as an admonishment, a simple scolding of your childish thoughts.

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Enid McConnell
11/4/2018 10:08:14 am

Maybe this is what Trump was referring to...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-03/soros-partners-mastercard-hand-out-money-migrants

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RiverM
11/5/2018 03:55:41 pm

Trump being an anti-Semite is fake news.

Soros funding the coming invasion (caravan) is fact.

You're better than this Jason. Traffic however is always a good thing.

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Kal
11/5/2018 04:19:23 pm

Okay, first of all, there is no freakin caravan of immigrant bad guys. It was a lie from Faux News a month or more back, when a van was caught at the border of Mexico. A van! One freakin van.

FHinlkey was obsessed with the film "Taxi Driver" and thought of himself as the character in the film that 'saves Foster' so in his messed up mind he assumed Reagan was the 'bad politician' in it. He was not inspired by Foster, but obsessed with a factional character she played. She had nothing to do with it.

Las Vegas shooter, Mail bomber, and RTacist synagogue shooter, and earlier black church shooter were all rigfht wing terrorists. Some did it to create chaos, like in Vegas, otrhers did it for racism, but one mailed bombs for Trump. He had it all over his van.

Ooh, his van should be stopped at the border.

And yesterday, Fox News used fotoage from zombie movies of people running to illustrate the border scare! I'm not kidding! They figure most old folks watching haven't watched World War Z or The Maze Runner or Resident Evil 3, and won't notice. I did. I noticed. I was like What the freak! That's from a zombie movie. It's a clip of the zombies scaling the wall! If they're going to use footage from a film, get it from old news reels. What integrity their journalists have!

Oy vey!

Being racist or mean to any group because they're different than you, is messed up.

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Kal
11/5/2018 04:21:06 pm

Lots of typos in there.

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MPE
11/5/2018 04:24:33 pm

Soros (Schwartz) is not a Jew under our laws. His Father and Himself are/were both Atheist's. He did not receive the proper ceremonies ie a Bris/Brit Milah or Bar Mitzvah. His ancestors are Jews but he is not.

Are you a Christina/Buddhist/Muslim if you don't have faith or practice? NO. Neither are you a Jew, you must follows our laws and have faith to be one of us. The State of Israel and the Chief Rabbinate agree and they are all that legally matters.

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Joe Scales
11/5/2018 06:09:07 pm

Judaism courtesy of the Simpsons, eh? You don't need a ceremony to become a bar mitzvah, you imbecile.

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This is stupid
11/28/2018 03:47:19 pm

So because Soros is Jewish, that means any criticism of him-regardless if it's justified or not-is somehow antisemitism? That's the single dumbest thing i've ever read on this website.

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