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On the Bed of King Og the Giant

10/28/2014

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I’m often asked why I spend time looking for the truth behind fringe historians’ claims. The short answer is that I have the time and the familiarity with their claims to do so, but the larger answers is that so much of our economy is based on purposely hiding information for personal gain. A good example of that was the shock I received this morning when the bill for my new boiler showed up. When I signed the paperwork for it, I opted for a financing plan that the company assured me was “financing” through a major national bank, with fixed monthly payments for what I was made to understand would be two years. If I had known what was apparently buried ten pages into the “financing” agreement I would never have signed it. The “financing” agreement was actually a credit card they took out in my name, with a 28% interest rate, generating more than $2,000 in interest over the life of the “financing,” which was actually four years, paying only the minimum. By omitting key information—that this wasn’t a financing loan from a major bank but rather a credit card with a picture of a hammer on it, I was, in theory, out an extra $2,000 on top of the original cost of the boiler. 
I especially liked the part where the heating company pretended in front of me that they were negotiating the financing terms with their bank when they were actually filling out a credit card application. I could have done that!

It’s my own fault, of course, for not reading the ten pages of legalese—not that I had much choice, since I didn’t actually get to keep a copy.

So what does this have to do with fringe history? The same lessons apply, to an extent. Fringe historians present a selective and often false version of history and then blame the audience for believing the pitch and not doing extensive outside research to evaluate their claims. Graham Hancock was perhaps the most honest about this when he wrote that he considered himself akin to a lawyer and fringe claims his client: “So it is certainly true, as many of my critics have pointed out, that I am selective with the evidence I present. Of course I’m selective! It isn’t my job to show my client in a bad light!”

And if you aren’t looking for the rest of the evidence, then you’re the sucker—as fringe historians laugh all the way the bank. On the plus side, at least fringe history books don’t charge interest.

So that was my moment of anger this morning.

But in terms of this week’s discussion on giants, I’d like to direct your attention to Mike Heiser’s blog, where Heiser has a fascinating addendum to the question of Og, the Biblical giant from Deuteronomy. According to the Biblical text (Deut. 3:11), Og was possessed of a singularly large bed, which gigantologists use to suggest that Og was nearly as tall as his sleeping place: “His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide.” For centuries, gigantologists have argued that Og must have been nearly thirteen feet tall—the Bible scholar Adam Clarke famously argued as much in his influential 1831 Biblical commentary. But as Heiser points out, the measurements of Og’s bed are identical to those of the ritual bed of Marduk and his consort Zarpanitu at Babylon, where the Babylonian king enacted an annual ritual marriage in the god’s stead. The measurements are given in the so-called Esagil Tablet, 229 BCE copy of earlier texts, in line 34: “The bed: 9 cubits the length, 4 cubits the breadth” (trans. A. R. George). Therefore, the Biblical writers appear to have been likening Og to the Babylonian god, or at least were implying that Og participated in a similar religious ritual. The point is that the size of the bed implies nothing about Og’s height any more than it does the size of the kings of Babylon who used Marduk’s bed.

I’ll leave you to read the rest of the analysis on Heiser’s Paleobabble.

Instead, I thought I’d finish with a discussion on giants from Peter the Venerable, a medieval Cluniac monk best known as the first serious scholar of Islamic texts in the West. Peter didn’t like Islam, but he also found the Jews to be obdurate in their refusal to become Christian, and he dealt with the issue of giants in trying to explain why the Jews’ views on giants were ridiculous, particularly the claim in the Targum Jonathan that Og was, by Peter’s calculation, 690 cubits high! Here’s the Targum Jonathan text commenting on Numbers 21:33-35:
Og having observed that the camp of the Israelites extended six miles, he went and tore up a mountain six miles in its base, and put it on his head, and carried it towards the camp, that he might throw it on the Israelites and destroy them; but the word of the Lord prepared a worm, which bored a hole in the mountain over his head, so that it fell down upon his shoulders: at the same time his teeth growing out in all directions, stuck into the mountain, so that he could not cast it off his head. Moses, (who was himself ten cubits high), seeing Og thus entangled, took an axe ten cubits long, and having leaped ten cubits in height, struck Og on the ankle bone, so that he fell and was slain. (trans. Adam Clarke)
And here is Peter’s response:
I propose only one thing against your insanity, which ought not to be the subject of debate any longer but which ought instead to be laughed at, since it is so clear that it does not lie hidden from blind men. […] Since [Moses] said that the bed of this giant was nine cubits long and four cubits wide, certainly he showed that he had to have been somewhat less than the bed in terms of height and width. […] Was he, then, longer and wider than his own bed? I believe that here the Jewish argument is put to rest. (Against the Inveterate Obduracy of the Jews 5, trans. Irven M. Resnick)
Peter goes on to refute the idea that Moses was a giant, for why would he be impressed by a bed smaller than he himself? The long and short of it, though, is that claims for superhuman giants have been subject to fanciful exaggeration for as long as they have been made, and the closer one looks at the original claims the less there is to see.
36 Comments
johnny
10/28/2014 04:06:59 am

"The text, copied from an earlier document, describes the temple of the god Marduk in Babylon as reconstructed by the kings of the Babylonian dynasty of Nabopolassar (625-605 BC) and Nebuchadrezzar II (605-562 BC)."

http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/esagila-tablet


If Numbers was written by Moses between 1444 - 1405 BCE, then the basis of the Esagil Tablet must be much older than the days of Nebuchadrezzar.

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Byron DeLear
10/28/2014 04:20:07 am

Interesting take in your introduction on hidden information to drive the economy --- as much as the information revolution has disrupted industries like music, publishing, etc. perhaps the largest disruption will be the conflict between open-source models and the secrecy embedded in the industrial economy. We are seeing this on the periphery with peer to peer tech continuing to penetrate like Uber, etc.

Secrecy in business is the reason why one secretary drives a carbon emissions emitting vehicle all the way across town to his/her job, and another secretary that lives right next to the former's place of work, drives all the way across town in his/her vehicle to work. Secrecy and protection of wealth creates massive inefficiencies.

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EP
10/28/2014 04:48:16 am

Actually, "protection of wealth" is pretty much the opposite of "massive inefficiencies". I mean, once we remember that "wealth" doesn't mean "evil 1%ers"...

Also, you're conflating two senses of "hidden information". The first, which if we stretch it a little applies to things like legal small print and misleading advertising, arguably has nothing to do with the second, which applies to copyright and trade secrets. Indeed, there is nothing "hidden" about copyrighted information contained in music and publishing. In fact, it not being hidden is the reason it is copyrighted in the first place.

Also, open-source and peer-to-peer are completely separate concepts. Like, one barely has anything to do with each other, aside from frequently appearing in the same trendy publications.

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Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 04:05:48 am

I'm not following you. Could you explain in more detail? It's the difference between open source structures versus private business, capital, etc. Not too difficult to get.

EP
10/29/2014 04:34:35 am

"It's the difference between..."

*What* is "the difference between"? I can't tell what you're referring to, so I can't properly respond.

Also, there is no incompatibility between "open-source" and "private". The former has to do, roughly, with terms of use of the product. The latter, with ownership of the producer. (By the way, I'm not sure whether you're conflating "open-source" and "public domain", but that is another distinciton one mustn't fail to make before one can think clearly about these issues.)

And let's not even go into "capital"...

Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 04:30:45 am

EP, after re-reading, I think I understand your point. I was speaking to larger disruptive trends ala Alvin Tofler's 1st, 2nd, 3rd wave paradigm(s); for example, how wikileaks and others have impacted state institutional secrecy; how open source models, in coding, business practice, and government, have an impact on exposing inefficiencies, corruption, and fraud (Jason's “small print” bait and switch situation might be reduced substantially in the future with more transparent and open credit and banking laws which allow for more oversight and regulatory rigor), and finally, how these trends in actionable information being available for users, and peer to peer sharing and networking disrupt many foundational aspects of the old economy, currency, bitcoin, copyright, etc. with coarse, bait-and-switch sales misrepresentations potentially being one of the practices that will be attenuated by these larger trends. But yeah, I was conflating a bit. --- with a point, however, albeit one often made.

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EP
10/29/2014 04:44:07 am

Just because a point is often made...

If what you're saying is that there are things which have in common that they are disrupting "many foundational aspects of the old economy", then... Yeah, sure... But that's like clearling one's throat.

Also, Alvin Toffler? Seriously?

Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 05:23:33 am

Yeah, no joke. (Come on! http://tinyurl.com/qjta5 )

EP
10/29/2014 05:30:05 am

If you're going to hide behind tinyurl, might as well go for goatse...

Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 05:32:35 am

It's subtlety and nuance my dear Watson. Subtlety!

EP
10/29/2014 05:38:51 am

For more on Byron DeLear being subtle, refer to the rest of this conversation.

Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 05:50:06 am

Hah! I like you EP, always playing to the audience.

EP
10/29/2014 05:55:03 am

So how do open-source models "have an impact on exposing inefficiencies, corruption, and fraud"?

And what, exactly, do you take open-source models to be?

Byron DeLear link
10/29/2014 12:12:02 pm

Oh, come on EP, you're just baiting me; really? You're too intelligent for me to waste my time explaining exactly what you know I meant ;) Oh well, here’s a data dump... picketh away.

Open-source in the broader sense, including, open source government, a topic I broached in the wake of Wikileaks in 2010 (link on my name above, "WikiLeaks: power’s legitimacy directly proportionate to its transparency"), an excerpt: “In contrast, secrecy is a form of government regulation that is particularly vulnerable to abuse due to lack of oversight. The overreaching application of secrecy shuts down the free flow of information. There is a role for privacy and confidentiality—but when it becomes a humongous institution generating millions of documents each year on autopilot—secrecy builds a bulwark against democracy, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan says in his book Secrecy: An American Experience, “a hidden metastasizing mass within government itself.” Open-source politics, Green Revolution Iran 2009, Arab Spring movements, Euromaidan Ukraine, etc., movement toward Direct Democratic systems, expanded Sunshine laws which could be referred to as “open source”; open source provides a system for expanded peer review not only in software, hardware, and the traditional sense of peer review in the "academy", but, as an applied concept, works to open up the private economy, and, of course, the public sector as mentioned above, open source government. Open source economics, which amplifies the idea of shared resources, shared spaces, and even shared destiny. "Open source" connotes sharing, not compartmentalized hoarding.

Excerpt from Open Source Manifesto by Robert Steele describing some of these concepts: “the transition from top-down secret command and control to a world of bottom-up, consensual, collective decision-making as a means to solve the major crises facing our world today… Open-Source Everything is a cultural and philosophical concept that is essential to creating a prosperous world at peace, a world that works for one hundred percent of humanity... As we strive to recover from the closed world corruption and secrecy that has enabled massive fraud within governments, banks, corporations, and even non-profits and universities, this timely book is a manifesto for liberation—not just open technology, but open everything.”

EP
10/29/2014 12:57:14 pm

Translation: Utopian socialism (vintage c. 1823), minus intellectual rigor and pedigree.

EP
10/29/2014 02:03:45 pm

I knew I would regret looking into Robert Steele. I'll just say that anyone who actually takes anything this man says seriously is very likely not worth taking seriously himself.

He may have had a boring desk job at the CIA, but he is basically Bruce Fenton with slightly better grammar:

"Water is - in its purified form - Heaven on Earth. The water cycle cannot be owned, but it can be destroyed. It is the ultimate manifestation of why we must, as a human species, achieve conscious evolution, integral consciousness, and an active appreciation for clarity (the truth), diversity (the sources of multiple forms of truth), and integrity (the enabler of inter-faith and multi-cultural wisdom and tolerance)... the future of humanity is now and always will be defined in the physical world - and to an extent in the spiritual world - by humanity's relationship with water."

LOL

EP
10/29/2014 02:32:00 pm

Robert Steele also made false accusations about Google's ties with the CIA. And just last month, he was on the Alex Jones show engaging in some ebola fear-mongering.

The morons on the Internet are impressed that in the middle of the largest-ever outbreak of an incredibly virulent disease for which we have no cure, someone said that a "premeditated" outbreak in American would take place and then a few weeks later we have isolated cases in major international air traffic hubs in the US.

Clearly he must be right about the "premeditated" part as well. And have relied on his CIA sources to make such a prophetic claim.

LOL

Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 05:44:50 pm

Better to have you go after Robert Steele, than moi! I just pointed you in the right direction; I'll expect no royalty check, this one's a freebee.

But seriously, you know EP, its exceedingly hard to have an honest exchange with you, because it seems that your particular ‘felicity of expression’ is just oozing over with a very pointed, and specifically concerted, negative tenor; you shoot the messenger, you take people to task, you criticize well known and respected personages, and you never seem to offer any constructive and/or positive commentary about, well, anything---I would love it if you could prove me wrong and show something positive and affirmative. But it's always so negative. Maybe that's because I've only read a fraction of your work; you are here anonymously, maybe you’re very positive when not incognito, I dunno. Or maybe this is just your outlet to pour vitriol.

You had mentioned in another comment recently the thought that maybe you lack "human emotion," or something like that (I paraphrase), that might be a good place to shine a light. But, I guess in one way, as you put it, LOL, EP. LOL.

EP
10/29/2014 07:05:21 pm

I "went after you" implicitly. Or do I have to spell out the implications of you confidently appealing to the likes of Robert Steele?

I made numerous constructive criticisms of your comments in this thread. While you are obviously free to ignore anything I say, you exhibited no signs of having taken them under consideration. Instead of offering a constructive response, you default to aw-shucks self-exculpation and moralizing judgments upon my character. Yet you have the audacity to suggest that I am the one with whom it is "exceedingly hard to have an honest exchange"!

You say you would like me to prove you wrong, yet you also want me to be less negative and more "affirmative". But I'm afraid it's hard to prove someone wrong without being negative. So either you failed to articulate your complaint, or you are not being coherent. In any case, there is nothing to respond to here.

I will briefly respond to a few other things, however:

"you shoot the messenger, you take people to task"

Shooting is not the metaphor I would use in this case. Feels more like "swatting"...

"you criticize well known and respected personages"

Examples? Because most "personages" you name-drop are not widely respected, at least not by people who know what they are talking about.

"you never seem to offer any constructive and/or positive commentary about, well, anything"

If you really think so, then perhaps you need to devote more time to reading what other people say and less to looking for opportunities to cut and paste your internet journalism.

And as for your reference to my obvious intentional exaggeration concerning "human emotion", you didn't even manage to get it right. I spoke (ironically) of how I may come across, not as how I might actually be.

Regardless, what are you trying to say? That I hurt your feelings by pointing out some consequences of your intellectual and educational shortcomings? You lose right to make such complaints once you take it upon yourself to hold forth publicly on topics regarding which you are likely to run into someone who sees past trendy jargon du jour. Jason often faces similar criticism from some of his most ridiculous critics, so I am forced to conclude that I am not the one who is out of line here.

Byron DeLear
10/29/2014 07:38:45 pm

¬¬¬ Nice retort. Thanks. What I'm trying to say is that in our recent exchange I find it hard to converse with you because your tone is, in my opinion, excessively negative and hyper-critical. It sometimes seems like you have a need to be 'right-fighter' beyond the normal sharing of ideas in the spirit of a collegiate discussion to the point of it being a turn-off. EP, you seem to sometimes relish in excessive argumentation. Others have expressed as much here. But, please keep fighting for what you know to be right and keep expressing yourself as you see fit. The repartee, for the most part, is more good than bad. I do appreciate the multi-disciplinary perspectives of those who read Jason's blog, including yours. I know having gone through the peer review process in my American history book to be published in 2015, there are good things that come from the rigors associated with having one's ideas and theories questioned.

EP
10/29/2014 08:37:41 pm

Some "others" have also accused me of cyber-bullying. Perhaps you would like to follow their example? Alternatively, you can keep doing what you're doing - deflecting constructive comments you don't like with discussions of my character and unconvincing attempts to exhibit magnanimity.

But if my unwillingness to provide you with precisely the degree of criticism you wish to receive makes it diffuclt for you to avoid making yourself sound like a stubborn and insecure child (which is what your last comment, in conjunction with the two right above it, strongly implies), then I think I can live with that. (Keep telling yourself that I'm in a "run-off" with you, by the way. The idea is absurd. I might as well worry about losing a footrace to a bag of bricks.)

Speaking of peer review, the last time I read someone's draft, that person pulled it from publication in light of my criticisms, in spite of having already promised to contribute it to a friend's anthology. That person is one of a handful of leading scholars in his field. Internationally. It is much easier to get the peers one deserves than the peers one needs.

titus pullo
10/29/2014 09:03:37 am

Bryon,

Which is why prices are so important for decision making in the marketplace. Price discovery allows the individual to act without knowing all the detailed info that no one can know anyway. That is why the worst thing you can do is distort prices through subsidizes, money printing, artificially set interest rates or by govt regulation. Clean prices allow one not to get arbitraged as they say by the bankers and elites. Whether it is what Jason has just gone through or "ethanol" subsidizes or "green subsidizes", it not only allows theft but lower living standards.

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Harry
10/28/2014 05:39:29 am

Jason,

Seek legal counsel immediately! You might be able to get out of it if you act promptly. In the meantime, you should also look through the contract for a clause allowing you to rescind within three days.

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Harry
10/28/2014 04:47:46 pm

Jason,

To follow up on what I said earlier, most states have a Deceptive or Unfair Trade Practices Act that prohibits businesses from making misrepresentations to consumers. That statute might give you a remedy against paying the finance charges or to get damages for being hoodwinked, but you need to consult a lawyer to find out and potentially take advantage of that law.

In addition, as I mentioned, the law might require the company to give you three days to rescind the contract. If so, the clause should be in the contract. Even if you signed it more than three days ago, it is possible that you might still have the right to rescind if you did not get a copy until now. Once again, you need to consult a lawyer to know if that is case.

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Cathleen Anderson
10/28/2014 11:09:02 am

You have been a victim of fraud. Check with state attorney general and see if they can help you. Also Better Business Bureau.

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Jason Colavito link
10/28/2014 01:56:42 pm

I appreciate the concern, but after checking around, using credit cards as "financing" appears to be standard for the industry. Both of the largest heating companies in my city use credit cards as their "financing" and have apparently been doing so for years.

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EP
10/28/2014 12:16:35 pm

Jason, on occasion I may come across as devoid of any human feelings, but I just wanted to express my sympathy for your continuing boiler difficulties. And yes, I'm not a legal expert, but I agree with the others that this sounds so outrageous that it couldn't possibly be legal.

Here's hoping you can get them scared enough to maybe give you a better deal on your boiler! :)

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DanD
10/28/2014 12:42:33 pm

"Jason, on occasion I may come across as devoid of any human feelings "

Now who would think that? You have shown much compassion with your witty postings, Dad.....lol

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EP
10/28/2014 01:49:43 pm

"Dad"? Is that some obscure reference I don't get? Are you coming on to me? Are you a member of a suicide sex cult? You are, aren't you?!

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/28/2014 02:39:44 pm

Is there some joke here I'm not getting?

DanD
10/28/2014 02:55:25 pm

Yes, a short harmless exchange with EP some weeks ago.

He may not remember but just some ball busting,

Sorry for the confusion, carry on.

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EP
10/28/2014 03:13:27 pm

Yeah, I'm with NtCdSG. I don't get it. It was weird. You're weird :P

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EP
10/28/2014 03:18:05 pm

Nevermind, I get it now.

You just proved that yo mama jokes still pack a wallop after all these years :)

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JaredMithrandir link
10/29/2014 04:17:52 am

Michale's credibility with me was severely hurt by the fact that he actually argues Giants is an accurate Translation of Nephilim. The etymology of the word is clearly that it means Fallen Ones.

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EP
10/29/2014 04:35:27 am

"Michale's credibility with me was severely hurt"

You're saying it like it's a bad thing...

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Titus Pullo
10/29/2014 08:08:03 am

Jason,

It sounds very unethical. Whether in NY State if you can do anything about it (I thought you had 72 hours for any contract that is a capital improvement to cancel), I am not sure.

Financing a new boiler via credit card rates is insane. The bank obviously is working with the firm installing to offer these financing terms. The thing is the bank will probably package the payment streams and sell it off at a discount. Welcome to the modern world of "financial engineering" courtesy of Nixon taking us off the Gold Standard in 71 (I won't attempt to explain that).

Given that the banks can borrow at zero percent from the Fed these days, getting a 28% return on a four year loan with virtually no risk is a sad statement on that entire industry. I would file a BBB complaint regarding the bank and the installer. The installer might do something as small businesses take an BBB compliant seriously. I had it out with one last year who was supposed to fix my "new" hot water heater when it was zero degrees in January. They showed up without the part and then had to "order" it despite it being available at the local hardware story. They never came back and charged me for a "visit.".

Lesson learned but next time you would be better just to go to a credit union and ask for a short term loan for this, you probably could have gotten one for 5% or less annually.

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