Peter Levenda Is Upset with Me. He Also Called Me "Arrogant" and Driven by "Personal Resentment." Yes, He's a Full-Fledged Fringe Writer Now!
Good news, everyone! Peter Levenda is mad at me again! Or, to be more specific, he finds it upsetting and outrageous that I reviewed his book, Sekret Machines (my review: • Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3 •), from the utterly biased perspective that a book which claims to be setting the stage to change humanity’s very conception of itself ought, at a minimum, to provide evidence to support such a proposition and maintain, at a minimum, logical consistency within itself. Since Levenda states upfront in the book that he had no intention to follow either of these propositions (explicitly saying that those looking for evidence will find “nothing here” for them), it necessarily follows that my evaluation of the book will differ from Levenda’s less rigorous intentions. Or, rather, he would have made that claim if he had read the review, which he didn’t, because he decided I am biased against him based on his choice to use my site’s search box to look for his own name and those of his friends Jacques Vallée and Graham Hancock
Levenda posted part of a response in the comments on my blog before the system’s character limits cut him off, and he released the entire statement—amounting to more than 10 single-spaced pages!--on his Facebook page as nine lengthy comments. I’ll try to present some of the highlights, such as they are, as Levenda carefully attempted to use rhetoric to reverse the burden of proof and cast me as an ideologue trying to oppress him through unfair skepticism, thus absolving him of any criticisms of facts or evidence I made against him: “Your skepticism is obviously an ideological position, and you begin from your conclusions and work your way backward, cherry-picking data and then mischaracterizing it to bolster your agenda. This is basically what conspiracy theorists do, and it is ironic that you don’t recognize the same methodology in yourself.” Note carefully the reversal of the burden of proof, as though my questioning of his claims were an effort to make a counterargument rather than to say that Levenda failed to make a convincing prima facie case to overcome presumption. A counterargument would require much more data, but since I am not the claimant, it is not my job to prove that interdimensional spirit monsters don’t exist; rather, it was Levenda’s job to convince us that they do.
Just to clarify: As I laid out in The Cult of Alien Gods more than a decade ago (a book Levenda snarks that few have read), the ancient astronaut theory is not prima facie impossible. It is possible. It is even a hypothesis that can be tested, and should evidence be found in its favor, I would be happy to entertain it. The trouble remains that ancient astronaut theorists failed to provide that evidence.
Levenda is also upset about my use of “fringe” to describe opinions about history that are not mainstream. I’ve dealt with this problem many times, and I have even asked fringe types to propose a name for themselves that they would prefer. Graham Hancock nominated “alternative historians” many years ago, but recently the “alt-“ prefix has taken on a politically charged meaning. Other fringe writers refused to answer or gave me hate-filled responses. There isn’t really a good name, since our rhetorical bias in favor of the mainstream creates a negative connotation for any words describing those beyond the mainstream. Of course, since Levenda uses “skeptic” as a pejorative, his outrage is selective. He is also upset about me using the term “occultist” to describe him. I suppose it’s fair enough. He is a writer on the occult, a so-called “quantum” historian, a fellow-traveler in occult circles, and “expert on … occult and esoteric practices.” He said in a 2001 interview that “I’ve been around occult groups in New York since the late 1960s,” and last week even described the occult as “Levenda’s obsession.” He denied being a member of any specific occult group but crowed that “I was a familiar face around the campfire, so to speak.” He only pretends to believe in the occult sometimes. He wants credit for “exploring” alchemy and mysticism as the way and the light (he recently stated that alchemy could provide a Grand Unified Theory of reality), but doesn’t want to be described as an advocate of such beliefs, even though, beneath his careful list of qualifiers, it is the only logical interpretation of his “investigations.” He is prone to making dramatic statements of “truth” that can only be accepted by believing in the occult worldview. He is like the pundits on TV who scream bloody murder only against Democrats and then conclude by saying they are “independent” and never actually said to vote Republican.
He is very upset that I have pointed out that numerous sources have accused Levenda of being the brains behind the Simon Necronomicon, the work of fake occult lore masquerading as Lovecraft’s fictional grimoire, so to distract from that he focuses on the fact that I mistakenly described the (fictitious) “Simon” as “Greek” Orthodox instead of “Slavonic” Orthodox. (The mistake happened because “Simon” claimed to be Orthodox and to have a Greek Necronomicon.) This distracts from the inconvenient fact that the man who prefers not to be associated with Simon or the occult is also the credited copyright holder of Simon’s sequel to the Necronomicon, an occult work of ceremonial magic. While Levenda denies being the author, at the very least he is complicit in facilitating and promoting occult fantasies, and he would prefer we ignore that when it isn’t convenient. He is a journalist and historian when he wants mainstream respect, and happily rhapsodizes about the occult when he wants to shape audiences’ beliefs.
He foams with rage that I engaged in what he calls “character assassination” against Jacques Vallée because, in my “arrogance” (a theme of Levenda’s—that I don’t bow before old men), I decline to “respect” his achievements in ufology. He falsely claims I have criticized only one of Vallée’s books and therefore cannot judge Vallée’s philosophy, but this is not true. In addition to Wonders in the Sky, I have also identified similar methodological and research errors in his Passport to Magonia and at least two of his other books. He gets by on his measured tone and Gallic persona, but his work does not withstand scrutiny. If the facts are wrong, the theory explaining them doesn’t matter. “You seem to have a particular problem with people who have accomplished a great deal in their lives in their intellectual (and other) pursuits,” Levenda writes. No, just people who promote fantasy as reality. I’m rather dumfounded that Levenda reads criticism as arrogance and disapproval as lack of deference.
The duration of the first five Facebook comments of his criticism focus on elements of his biography and his feeling that my description of his previous books was unfair because it suggested that his histories of the “secret” role of Esoteric Hitlerism in world politics were overstated. He attempted to make a case for the importance of the occult in Nazism, and most mainstream historians do not credit the occult with as much influence as Levenda does, nor have the occult aspects of Nazism dominated in the postwar Neo-Nazi movement except among the weird Esoteric Hitlerists. To put it a bit more clearly, Levenda took issue with my characterization of his works on occult history as promoting the primacy of Nazism as a secret stream in world politics, and the occult as a driving force of Nazism. More than a decade ago, in The New Conspiracy Reader, Levenda outlined his view that the magical and the political were deeply “entwined,” and that Nazi occultism remained a “dangerous influence” on world politics. The irony that just last week he said that “occultism and esotericism were at the very root of the development of Nazism” is too rich. Apparently to describe Levenda’s own words is to do him grievous harm, for my plain reading of his many, many claims over the years doesn’t align with the carefully modulated version he prefers.
But all of this is Levenda’s dislike of how I have characterized his past work—and no one likes when other people characterize their work, because others’ impressions rarely match the self-image in our own minds. Clearly, Levenda thinks of himself as doing very different work than the impression he left on me. But none of it so far has anything to do with Sekret Machines.
Let’s get to that. In my review, I criticized Levenda for promoting Tom DeLonge’s purposeful mixture of fact and fiction as two prongs of UFO “disclosure.” I said, “If you cannot or will not relate what is happening in the real world without resorting to fiction, then you are a bad writer and researcher, a moral coward, or a fraud.” Levenda disapproved:
Them’s are fightin’ words, there, Jason! Can you back that up with anything other than animus, cowboy? Or does the lady protest too much, I wonder? I have already noted your lack of research integrity and in this article I am calling attention to your use of dishonest rhetorical devices to mislead your readers.
Nope, no dishonesty there. I made my view clear: If DeLonge claims to have evidence that will change the world, then show it. If you have proof of aliens and UFOs and ancient astronauts, then lay it out. If you want to pretend, say some things can only be explained through fiction, and not show the proof, then you are not writing history but polemic. Show us the evidence, or go home. Levenda’s self-justification, posted online last week, that the proof is so self-evident that it can simply be assumed, is an end-run around making good on the promises DeLonge—the credited author of the book that Levenda assigns to himself on his blog—maintained he would deliver on.
OK, so by comment 7 have we finally gotten to my review? Almost! Levenda inadvertently confirmed my criticism of his book while thinking that he had cleverly attacked me, and that was fun. In my criticism, I noted that Levenda (a) declared explicitly that his approach was completely different from that of “ancient astronaut theorists” and (b) pretty much duplicated the famous 1973 documentary In Search of Ancient Astronauts, right down to the use of the cargo cult to frame the story, thus making his approach neither fresh nor unique. Levenda confirmed that he never did a literature review of his own subject—ancient astronaut theories—and therefore was talking out of his ass about being fresh and unique. He also misunderstood me, thinking I believed him to be claiming to have discovered the existence of cargo cults, a patent absurdity:
I never said I was the one who discovered the Cargo Cults. They were discussed in the anthro classes I took to get my graduate degree, and I believe one such cult appeared in the old film Mondo Cane. I never saw the In Search of Ancient Astronauts program you referenced, because (as any of my friends can attest, with some horror) I did not watch television or even own a television set during the entire decade of the 1970s. At any rate, I ignore much of what pretends to be journalism and historical research as presented on television shows. I prefer texts, and footnotes, and bibliographies. My research was not conducted by watching television, but through books, documents, and independent – personal – research, here and abroad.
In short, he never checked what previous ancient astronaut theorists had done except for von Däniken and Sitchin, and thus missed the vast changes that the traditional ancient astronaut theory has undergone since the 1970s, particularly in delving into “consciousness” and alternate dimensions as key aspects of the “mystery,” exactly the points Levenda claims are unique to his approach.
But here’s a doozy: Regular readers know that I have devoted years to carefully gathering, translating, and studying primary source material related to the Watchers, the Nephilim, the Pillars of Wisdom, and the medieval pyramid mythology based on them. I have gathered the largest collection of texts on the subject ever put in one place (including dozens never before published in English), and I made almost all of them available to readers for free. Beyond these, I have also read a few more that, for copyright reasons, I am not able to publish here. It’s kind of my thing. Levenda assumes I am lying about this and accuses me of arrogance in stating the plain fact that this is a subject I know inside and out because I have done enormous amounts of work on it and actually did the primary source research:
“Certainly more than Levenda”? Seriously? What is the basis for that assumption? That is certainly not a statement one would expect to find in any sort of responsible review and smacks of an adolescent schoolyard taunt. How do you know how much primary source material I have read on this subject? In fact, how would I know how much you have read? How childish, this insistence that you are smarter or better-read than virtually everyone else: a claim that itself becomes your only evidence to prove your claim, an example of what is known as “begging the question”, another cheap rhetorical device that should be beneath you.
It’s not a rhetorical device. Since Levenda has, by his own admission, never read my collection of texts, which contain obscurities that only a handful of specialists reference in footnotes, and texts that were hitherto only published in languages Levenda has never claimed to speak, I am quite confident that I have read more primary source ancient and medieval texts on the subject than Levenda has, though it is technically possible that he has read everything and simply chose to ignore all of it and be unable to use or cite any but the most obvious texts, even when they would strengthen his arguments. It isn’t arrogance but a plain statement of my special area of expertise, hard won through the kind of deep research that Levenda’s book skates over. I can compare Bar Hebraeus to al-Juzjani in their use of the remnants of Berossus in an Abrahamic Nephilim context. I can explain the altered traces of the Nephilim in the Akhbar al-zaman, chapter and verse. Levenda’s book simply accepts the Nephilim’s existence at face value, and by its own methodology fails to trace or compare the textual evidence over time, or the interactions among different literary traditions.
Levenda closes by accusing me of “personal resentment” and declaring preemptively that he will not read my review of his book, thereby freeing him from the necessity of having to deal with my actual criticisms of his facts and his claims. By making personal what was an evaluation of specific claims, Levenda attempts to neutralize criticism of his stale ideas and lack of evidence.
3/15/2017 10:36:51 am
Jason, shame on you for reviewing Levenda's, and other fringe writers, and pointing out their shoddy research and lack of valid sources. They copy and paste each others "work", repeating the same tired arguments over and over. They then wonder why they are not taken seriously by real historians.
3/15/2017 11:26:36 am
>>>By making personal what was an evaluation of specific claims, Levenda attempts to neutralize criticism of his stale ideas and lack of evidence.<<<
10/9/2022 04:32:56 pm
You're angry fool. Get back in the shallow end. Nobody cares what you think or feel. At the end of the day, you're a bad writer. Look how butt hurt you are. Levenda tore you up properly. Your responses come off like that of screaming toddler.
3/15/2017 12:10:49 pm
"Levenda is also upset about my use of “fringe” to describe opinions about history that are not mainstream. I’ve dealt with this problem many times, and I have even asked fringe types to propose a name for themselves that they would prefer. Graham Hancock nominated “alternative historians” many years ago, but recently the “alt-“ prefix has taken on a politically charged meaning. Other fringe writers refused to answer or gave me hate-filled responses. There isn’t really a good name, since our rhetorical bias in favor of the mainstream creates a negative connotation for any words describing those beyond the mainstream."
3/15/2017 03:29:05 pm
ATRISK: What is your background if you don't mind me asking. I am by no means an expert, and don't claim to be, but as one of the unclean masses, most of what I have read from a non Wolter related source says that the inscription is like modern language written in old runes. It does not match. I am not trying to be rude or a bully, but between KRS And stoneholes, it seems a 50/50 bet at best. How are you so sure? With no other artifacts around stone holes, how do you know for sure it wasn't farmers or natives, even. And can't you see how improper. Word usage and non existent runes would make people suspect a hoax? And if you can see how someone would suspect a hoax, then why don't you. Again, I know you know way more about this than I do, and I'm not try to attack or bully, I'm just trying to learn.
3/15/2017 04:08:30 pm
BigNick, this topic (stoneholes) was heavily debated in the comment section of Andy White's Stonehole blog entries found here:
3/15/2017 06:06:39 pm
BIGNICK, my background is that I'm now retired. I served in the military several years, missing out on Woodstock, and I was both a long-distance trucker and a state-level corrections officer for a while. I have a Bachelor's degree in Criminal/Social Justice. For your interest here, I first became interested in KRS-related material as a result of going to visit the Runestone Museum in Alexandria, MN, back on my 30th wedding anniversary, back in 2010. My wife has regretted the visit ever since....
3/15/2017 06:30:01 pm
BigNick, as you can see by his own words, the man has no expertise whatsoever in the area and has simply decided that this is true on the basis that he WANTS it to be true. Gullible or not as a general rule, you can't shift him away from his stance that this is true and anyone who disagrees is attacking him personally--regardless of what they say.
3/15/2017 06:35:53 pm
V, I should send your comment to our new, beautiful First Lady. She may care more about what you think than I do. You are a hateful person, whoever you are. If I were Jason, I would eliminate your posting, which can be construed as being much more disappointing than mine, I'm sure. Why don't you go away, instead of me, since I'm adding something and you're not? My name here is At Risk because of destructive, anonymous trolls like you.
3/16/2017 01:36:16 pm
BigNick, you can see precisely what I mean here.
3/16/2017 02:07:39 pm
"...I first became interested in KRS-related material as a result of going to visit the Runestone Museum in Alexandria, MN, back on my 30th wedding anniversary, back in 2010. My wife has regretted the visit ever since...."
3/15/2017 04:49:27 pm
2 points, if you will kindly accept them:
3/15/2017 06:30:21 pm
Unfortunately, A BUDDHIST, most historians do not think the KRS is authentic, plus most people have never heard of the KRS. I lived in MN a number of years before I heard about it...which is why I feel safer saying "thousands" rather than millions.
3/16/2017 02:00:05 pm
Because farmers NEVER have any need to understand the terrain and topography of their lands, nope.
3/16/2017 07:37:36 pm
I have made peace with the idea that part of a peninsula can be washed out making it effectively and temporarily an island. I still take issue with the statement that "The inscription refers to an 'island, or peninsula-island'" from Mr. Risk as I doubt that he can read the inscription, just as I doubt Mr. Wolter can read it though he claims he knows "the language, script, and dialect". It is to Mr. Risk's credit that he does not make similar statements. I would expect a maritime, littoral or riverine people to distinguish among islands, peninsulas, and peninsula-islands.
3/15/2017 06:24:28 pm
You ARE "fringe". You just have a different obsession from Wolter's. "Peninsula-island"? Seriously dude? Pick one. You cannot have both.
3/15/2017 06:46:46 pm
AMERICANEGRO, you're ignorance is showing. The KRS party left the scene of the massacre and traveled back down the Chippewa River and then overland east a few miles (about 4), to reach Runestone Hill. This presented a safe distance from the "river highway" to better safeguard against noise and campfire smoke.
3/15/2017 08:23:55 pm
You don't know what a peninsula is, do you?
3/15/2017 08:50:53 pm
Actually, there are features in the world that could be described as island-penisulas. I immediately thought of Caesar's Commentaries on the Gallic War, which describe Veneti fortresses as follows (3.12):
3/15/2017 08:58:04 pm
Does anything here have anything to do with Peter Levenda? If not, it is off topic.
3/16/2017 02:01:28 pm
Short answer, Jason: No. It's "At Risk" taking over with his idiotic obsession again, just so he can accuse everyone around him of being haters--like we haven't just gotten sick and tired of having his obsession rammed down our throats over and over!
3/16/2017 05:16:40 pm
I guess one answer may deserve another, then, since after-thoughts are apparently acceptable. V, you are the one I accuse of being a hater here, not anyone else, not even AMERICANEGRO.
3/17/2017 12:22:54 am
AtRisk. Off topic is off topic, you are the instigator with your repetitive garbage, take your fringe feelings ball and go home if you feel bullied. Your emotional investment is your problem.
3/17/2017 12:08:45 pm
FAWKES, what did that troll-comment have to do with Levenda? Does this mean V is for vendetta?
3/15/2017 12:25:05 pm
3/15/2017 08:55:05 pm
It is often alleged by critics of American libertarianism that American libertarians are people who enrich themselves from a less regulated market and so want to further deregulate the market to further enrich themselves - and those who benefit from market regulation can suffer as they wish.
3/15/2017 02:42:40 pm
Go for it Levenda!
3/15/2017 02:51:17 pm
"Them’s are fightin’ words, there, Jason! Can you back that up with anything other than animus, cowboy? Or does the lady protest too much, I wonder?"
3/15/2017 09:22:42 pm
And if he's going to affect that old-timey prospector vernacular, he might want to actually do it correctly.
3/15/2017 10:01:19 pm
Agreed. Shifting from cowpoke to Hamlet is disconcerting.
3/16/2017 07:46:47 am
3/16/2017 11:40:59 am
Next time you correspond with him, tell him that sticking a finger in both ears and singing la-la-la-la-la-la-la continuously really helps.
3/16/2017 01:43:29 pm
Yup, that make sense. He speaks to me in the voice of Yosemite Sam ("Them's fightin' words!") and then takes umbrage that my headline offers cartoonish bemusement at his antics. He really is the "rootin'-est, tootin'-est, shootin'-est hombre north, south, east, and west of the Pecos."
3/16/2017 04:21:01 pm
"Fringe" writers need to realize that it's their views and inept presentation of such views (whether fueled by OCD and Tourette's like one prolific poster here or not) that makes them "fringe".
3/17/2017 01:09:56 pm
You can't let it go, can you AMERICANEGRO? Right in Jason's face. Who has OCD, Joe?
3/16/2017 08:24:36 am
3/16/2017 10:57:35 am
"He is like the pundits on TV who scream bloody murder only against Democrats and then conclude by saying they are “independent” and never actually said to vote Republican."
3/16/2017 11:59:22 am
It was just an example, not a declaration that there is only one type of idiot on TV.
3/16/2017 02:14:47 pm
See, the problem is that to a lot of conservatives, there's no such thing as "moderate," so that kind of kills that comparison. Because if it's not conservative, it must be liberal. So how do you say someone "champions only liberal causes" and have an actual hard line to show that's not just you assuming that anything you don't agree with is "liberal"? Jason's example is a little easier to quantify than yours.
3/16/2017 04:15:40 pm
The quick and dirty guideline is Independent = Republican and Progressive = Democrat. And Libertarian = Ineffective (yeah, yeah, Rand Paul blah blah)
3/17/2017 10:38:14 am
I thought Libertarians were the ones who wanted to bring their guns to their abortions?
3/17/2017 12:49:25 pm
Why Levenda isn't a top advisor for Trump is beyond me. He appears to have all the qualifications.
3/19/2017 12:39:28 pm
You need a name for fringe?
3/19/2017 01:05:35 pm
So you could call a fringe writer a Spongmonkey.
3/20/2017 11:13:30 am
I always liked "Not Even Wrong," like Rational Wiki utilizes to categorize certain opinions.
3/20/2017 11:13:43 am
I always liked "Not Even Wrong," like Rational Wiki utilizes to categorize certain opinions.
Thank you so much for publishing this critique. Every time I come across people who took the time to debunk some of these cooks, I am infinitely grateful for the time they saved me.
2/25/2023 06:45:45 am
Simply put, the goal of writing Sekret Machines Gods, is to create (and in some instances add to) a foundation that facilitates deep thought and constructive dialogues surrounding the ‘phenomena’.
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