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Poland's Version of Fringe History Imagines a 70,000-Year Aryan Super-Empire

8/18/2017

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​There is no new episode of Ancient Aliens tonight due to the History Channel’s car-focused programming week. (What, no “Aliens and Automobiles” episode?) So, it looks like I get the night off! That would be great, except that I am bombarded with work today. Therefore, I’m going to keep today’s posting short.
​I read yesterday about a bizarre pseudohistorical fantasy that has developed a small but influential group of followers in Poland. It is so transparently a Polish nationalist myth that I am amazed anyone could take it seriously. According to historian Mateusz Fafinski, a group of pseudoscholars known as the Turboslavs (an apparently mocking term favored by their opponents) have developed a myth based on a forged “ancient” text that describes the “true” history of the Poles. According to this myth, the Polish nation emerged 70,000 years ago from a wandering tribe of Aryan supermen who once ruled all of the Slavic lands from the Danube through to the Urals. As Aryan believers in the One True Faith of Arianism, they ruled supreme and withstood all attacks until the first king of Poland, Mieszko I, came to the throne in the 900s CE. By converting to Christianity, he corrupted the Aryan purity of the Lechia Empire, resulting in the subjugation of the Poles to the Germans when Mieszko made Poland a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire.
 
The believers in this myth lay their faith in the Slavic-Sarmatian Chronicle of Prokosz, a forgery written the 1700s by Przybysław Dyjamentowski and printed in 1825. Although recognized as a hoax from 1826 on, the believers claim the document to be real. As Fafinski notes, the proponents of this myth are following a familiar narrative common to most fringe historians, but one that is also present in the nationalist versions of history promulgated by nationalist governments: “Everything is framed as ‘uncovering the truth’ and, if I may be allowed a literal translation, ‘de-lying’ history. For history, you must know, has been stolen from Polish people. Historiography is just another tool through which enemies oppress Poland by stealing its history from it (a note very much present in the current government’s narration).”
 
I will recommend Fafinski’s entire article to you, as it is an excellent examination of an unusual historical fabrication in a part of the world where language barriers often prevent us from seeing as clearly as some other nations’ pseudohistorical absurdities. I’ll close this section with this paragraph that sums up Fafinski’s analysis of why Aryan narratives appeal to Poles, the victims of the last round of Aryan supremacist ideology in Europe:
In this mindset Poles and Poland fulfill a divine historical mission (it is almost funny how close this right-wing fantasy comes to historical determinism) that is constantly foiled by Germany and Russia (and their previous incarnations). Turboslavism is just an iteration of that myth, with greater emphasis put on Germany as the enemy. It is also easier to believe and more difficult to disprove because it mostly happens in the distant past. That myth is also subtly racist - Poles are better, have almost divine origins, are “the martyrs of the world” and suffer for other nations. In the Turboslav ideology it is expressed by being descendants of Aryans (it is hard to ignore subtle Nazi parallels here…)
​As Fafinski notes, the Turboslav myth is closely associated with rightwing politics, and as such, I would say that it bears some resemblance to the way the so-called alt-right uses Solutreans, hyperdiffusionism, and lost white races to create a mythical history for America that places white Europeans at the origin of every facet of North American life.
42 Comments
Bob Jase
8/18/2017 11:47:34 am

Am I understanding this right - this super empire (which no other civilization sknew about) began 70,000 years ago, last until just over a 1,000 years ago but managed to leave zero traces of itself?

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Clete
8/18/2017 12:05:11 pm

Why is that so hard to believe. They left, leaving no trace of themselves, tearing down their homes, public buildings and roads. Why they even took their toilets with them. They vanished, probably into thin air, not even leaving their shit for future generations to study and marvel at.

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Americanegro
8/18/2017 03:16:35 pm

Actually they did leave behind lots of artifacts and records, just not from 70,000 years ago.

I think maybe "Arianism" should be "Aryanism"?

Christine Erikson link
8/20/2017 11:25:32 pm

yep. of course that's how it goes. notice it is a direct attack on Christianity and reeks of reconstructionist paganism, except they are usually more historically and archaeologically sound than this, but the idea is the same, blame everything on Christianity and demand a return to your "roots" and the false gods of your distant ancestors.

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Americanegro
8/20/2017 11:42:40 pm

How does this blame anything on Christianity and why is your false god better than any other false god?

John
11/8/2018 03:00:11 pm

Actually there is concrete proof.

DNA

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Dan D'Silva
8/18/2017 12:37:27 pm

I don't think I've heard a word or phrase on this blog that made me grin as much as "the Turboslavs."

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
8/18/2017 08:39:17 pm

Not even "Egyptian-Hebrew-Gnostic-Habsburg-Templar-Freemason-US Government-Exxon-REMAX-Nabisco conspiracy"?

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Riley V
8/19/2017 12:30:34 pm

Not REMAX. It was Century 21. The UN Troops will be housed in Century 21 houses as part of the Jade Helm invasion. It is all laid out in Agenda 21.
How can you protect yourself from the Reptilians in Wal*Mart basements if you are looking in the wrong place?

Americanegro
8/19/2017 02:54:38 pm

No, it was REMAX. It has the hooked X in the logo.

Scott David Hamilton
8/18/2017 01:15:47 pm

I assume the Turboslavs will eventually be replaced by the NOSslavs.

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BigNick
8/18/2017 01:37:20 pm

How many polish super aryans does it take to build an empire that lasts 70000 years

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Only Me
8/18/2017 03:08:57 pm

These Aryan myth believers are going to have a hell of a time trying to determine just who are the "true descendants". Too many claimants to the throne, so to speak.

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TONY S.
8/18/2017 10:28:57 pm

I'd love to see one of the champions of the fringe try to connect all of their tales into one all encompassing, cohesive timeline.

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Matt
8/19/2017 09:35:45 pm

The Grand Unified Theory.

Jim
8/18/2017 04:57:02 pm

Unfortunately, not having alien intervention, the Super Poles never learned how to make really big piles of rocks. I'm afraid their pitiful attempts at building pyramids will leave them on the back burner of history.

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Zig
11/8/2018 02:57:11 pm

Check DNA evidence, mate. Just because you are ignorant can’t be helped!

DNA, linguistics and archaeology prove that Polish R1a DNA spread to China, India, Persia and Scandinavia all the way to Iceland.

You’re an idiot, mate.

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Kai
11/13/2019 02:50:54 pm

Couldn't it be the DNA proofs exactly the other conclusion? I'm pretty sure all polish people are actually chinese with a small tracees of persian.

Graham
8/18/2017 09:27:57 pm

It does, all fringe claims of a glorious past, whether it be the Alt-Rights claims about Solutreans, the Turboslavs claims about Poles or Afrocentrist claims that Ancient Egyptians were black (as were the ancestors of all Navtive Americans.) are built around the rewriting of the past to provide a glorious ancestry. For example if you look at the early British King lists you will find Julius Caesar and Wotan amongst the ancestors.

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Americanegro
8/18/2017 09:54:29 pm

Okay, so let's label everything stupid or bad as Alt-Right. As a well-know expert code-named Scott Wolter recently told Andre Kovac, the Solutreans were merely "following the seal herds" (as one does) because there were no animals on the European landmass in those days. They were HONGRY.

Then once they got to North America they impregnated sex apes (as one does).

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Mannxos the Great
8/19/2017 12:20:10 pm

The Alt-Right is stupid too. Graham also mentioned Afrocentrism but you only talk if the word "Right" is mentioned. Stop being a RW snow flake. This is nothing political and trying to defend the alt- right from criticism is stupid. Good day sir.

Americanegro
8/19/2017 03:01:28 pm

The Solutrean Hypothesis predates the Alt-Right by a good bit, so you can shut it. Now show me on the doll where the bad man triggered you.

Christine Erikson link
8/20/2017 11:29:55 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL9S-TUikfg
an explanation of evolution (southpark)

Americanegro
8/18/2017 10:08:03 pm

Where does one go to see these lists? Julius Caesar certainly was effectively King of England for a while, but I'm having difficulty finding these lists. Thanks.

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TONY S.
8/18/2017 10:26:37 pm



I can just see Himmler and his goons spinning in their graves at the thought of their master race having Slavic roots.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
8/18/2017 10:55:19 pm

Well, the Indo-European migration did probably originate from southwestern Russia.

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Americanegro
8/18/2017 11:39:16 pm

Since it didn't actually cause a problem, it wouldn't have caused a problem.

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MartyR
8/20/2017 02:36:57 pm

The Aliens and Automobiles program would begin with a look at My Mother the Car.

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Geo
8/21/2017 03:35:10 pm

Heh heh...

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Pacal
8/20/2017 06:05:51 pm

This stuff reminds me of the bat shit crazy writings of Fomenko who argues that much history is fraud perpetuated in an effort to keep Russians down.

The insanity and craziness of Fomenko's "New Chronology" has to be read to be believed that anyone would swallow such foolishness much less create it. Fomenko rejects everything from carbon 14 dating to coin studies and of course asserts that the writings of classical historians were forgeries concocted during the 16th and 17th centuries.

And through it all Fomenko creates a "true" history that massively aggrandizes Russia and its place in history.

Fomenko creates a huge centuries old vast conspiracy based in the west to create a false history of the world all designed to keep Russia down.

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Americanegro
8/20/2017 09:01:08 pm

Never heard of this guy before so thank. He seems to be Ukrainian by birth but I don't know the system over there. Anyway...

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/apps/search?q=fomenko

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El Cid
8/21/2017 08:37:51 pm

Genetically, there *were* no 'white' Europeans until around 7,000 years ago when the older European migrants interbred with newer, farming migrants from Anatolia.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7491/full/nature12960.html

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Americanegro
8/21/2017 09:57:25 pm

Thanks for the Turkocentric worldview. From an article BASED ON ONE SKELETON, with multiple skin color alleles.

"not yet ubiquitous" unlike "NO", DOES NOT MEAN "NO".

Excellent fail. Be better, won't you?

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El Cid
8/22/2017 02:51:46 pm

There was no Turkey at that time. It wasn't even yet Anatolia. The populations who journeyed *from* Turkey weren't argued to have originated in modern day Turkey specifically, but part of the large migrations of farming populations out of that region of the world--including the Mesopotamian regions.

The notion of "white" as a category is more recent, as you know, but under no circumstances, including your rejection, is any of this a 'fail'.

Since you were so pompous to declare the study a failure given 1 skeleton, how about 51?

"The 51 individuals, dating from 45,000 to 7,000 years ago, whose DNA was analyzed by some six dozen researchers on four continents in the new study, represent a good deal of the known ancient skeletons from the time period. According to the study’s findings, published this week in the journal Nature, analysis of the DNA of Ice Age Europeans showed they had dark complexions and brown eyes. Blue eyes as a genetic trait only began to spread after 14,000 years ago, and it was only after 7,000 years ago that fair complexions appeared across much of the continent. Both traits, the researchers concluded, were likely brought to Europe by migration from the Near East."

http://www.history.com/news/new-dna-research-sheds-new-light-on-ice-age-europe

Now, they could be wrong, but they will be much more correct than you, simply because they are making a scientific argument based upon real research and real data, and you are not.

Americanegro
8/22/2017 04:24:39 pm

Turkic ≠ from Turkey you idiot.

"Blue eyes as a genetic trait only began to spread after 14,000 years ago, and it was only after 7,000 years ago that fair complexions appeared across much of the continent."

"Genetically, there *were* no 'white' Europeans until around 7,000 years ago"

14,000 years ago ≠ 7,000 years ago you idiot.

"Since you were so pompous to declare the study a failure"

I wasn't talking about the study, just your reading skills.

El Cid
8/22/2017 08:19:45 pm

I can't read?

The 14,000 years referred to 'blue eyes'.

The next part with "it was only after 7,000 years ago" refers to the fair skin, which is the same as the *original* article I posted, noting that the earliest post-Ice-Age inhabitants of Europe had blue eyes and dark skin.

For most people, "after" has a meaning. Even if you grant a variability of +/- 1,000 years.

Apparently you are beyond such limitations.

Americanegro
8/22/2017 10:43:05 pm

"Blue eyes as a genetic trait only began to spread after 14,000 years ago". The "7000 years" is linked to "across *much of the continent*.

You really need to suck it, don't you agree?

Steve StC
8/27/2017 10:50:14 pm

American Negro, you are a vile and hateful piece of filth. You make this already hateful place far worse.

El Cid
8/25/2017 06:22:59 pm

"Both traits, the researchers concluded, were likely brought to Europe by migration from the Near East."

Go bother someone else with your rants. You're capable of doing so, and maybe someone else might actually be interested in your inanities.

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Kai
11/13/2019 03:05:59 pm

EL CID
These people will never get the meaning of DNA, ancestry, population, evolution and their implications - above somebody claimed a haplogroup as "polish" - it's just ridiculous.
In such cases it is better to turn to somebody who is at willing to understand or at least to listen.

Adam
8/22/2017 06:11:35 am

Hi Jason,

I am Polish and a long time follower of your blog. Just one note to start - Mieszko I was not our first king, he was still a prince. The first king was his son Boleslaw.

Could you tell me why you find Fafinski worthy of even mentioning? Because he has a blog in English? I have access to the Polish part of Internet and can find absolutely nothing of significance about him.

I have been following Polish historical and political scene closely for a while and can tell you that this article is inspired by current political events. It tries to link current Polish ruling party with fringe nonsense, and it is completely baseless. This movement appeals to exactly no one in our government. The only people that even mention The Great Lechia etc. from time to time in public are leftist anti-catholic groups that try to prove that the Catholic Church destroyed the thriving ancient Polish civilisation that existed before prince Mieszko I. They are the largest and still a fringe group. The author is trying to portray this movement as somehow being used by Polish right-wing parties and that is nonsense. All polish right-wing parties, patriotic, nationalistic, etc. groups of any significance use the Baptism of Poland in 966 as the beginning of everything.

The author also makes some interesting claims. For example Polish "colonialism" - I would absolutely love to read something more about that. Yeah - Poland was a large country and a major European player until late XVII century. I bet that he would be able to list all those major battles, conflicts, those glorious victories that must have happened for our borders to reach so far east. I mean, it must have happened so that we could claim all this land so that this "colonialism" could later occur, right? Also summarising Sarmatism, which was a result of a mixture of various cultural traditions of eastern European nobility, as "nationalistic, colonialistic and xenophobic" is simply laughable. Well, sure, when you apply modern standards to something 400 years ago, you probably will get that result, especially if you see racism, nationalism and xenophobia everywhere anyway.

When I am reading this article I see oikophobia. It simply exploded after the last election cycle in Poland. This is what happens all the time. People find something like this - a gathering of literally 5 persons doing or saying something nasty/racist (or generally anything they perceive as bad, really) and then generalize it to the whole portion of society that elected the current government. Completely unwarranted in this case.

Adam

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Momus
8/27/2017 07:28:18 am

Well said. The ones actually promoting in the theory seem to be on the fringe of Polish neopagan scene. They are not "influential" in any sense. However the interest in the theory seems to extend far beyond just those who endorse it, and that may reflect the global trend of pseudoscience/conspiracy theory becoming more popular, also in Polish society. There used to be something along those lines in the early '90s (after the first free ellections), when dowsing, shape radiation, and bioenergotherapy, as well as newly imported western New Age ideas became flavor of the day in Poland and other former communist countries (first and foremost in Russia). These days this seems to be a worldwide fad.

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