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Purdue Refuses to Test Stone Pieces Brien Foerster Claimed to Have Removed from Puma Punku

4/5/2014

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Editor's note: Following a complaint from Brien Foerster, this post has been edited to remove references to destructive removal of the stone fragments.

You will I trust recall that Brien Foerster, the fringe theorist, publicly stated that he had taken fragments of stones at Puma Punku in Bolivia for the purpose of having them tested at a laboratory here in the United States as part of an effort to prove that archaeologists have been lying about the age of the ancient site to cover up the involvement of space aliens, a lost civilization, or Bible giants. Foerster stated this on an online fundraising website where he requested that his supporters give him cash to pay for the testing.
At the time, I criticized Foerster for violating Bolivia’s cultural heritage laws since he provided no evidence that he had received permission to damage the ancient site or an export permit to remove artifacts from the country—something Bolivia doesn’t give to amateurs.

Now it turns out that the laboratory Foerster and his research partner, David Swenson, a retired biologist who believes Bigfoot is interbreeding with human women, wanted to test their artifacts refused their request, and this is almost certainly because they did not have the proper export permits and could not demonstrate that they had acquired the artifacts legally. But that’s not how Swenson saw it when he reported this on the project’s fundraising webpage.
It is with some sadness and some anger that the PRIME lab at Purdue informed me that they do not do samples like ours. I felt like I was talking to Jay Carney (Presidential spokesman) in that none of the answers I got rang true. After 6 months of discussion and leading me on, they pulled the plug. You know, scientists need to grow a pair! Fear of hurting their reputation for shaking up the established paradigm is no way to live.
Swenson immediately jumps to a conspiracy to explain why his and Foerster’s plans have been thwarted. Swenson assumes that the Purdue Rare Isotope Measurement (PRIME) Laboratory, in the university’s Department of Physics and Astronomy, is somehow in cahoots with archaeology to defend the “established paradigm.” This type of knee-jerk reaction is diagnostic of a conspiratorial mindset as defined by Michael Barkun, and is exactly what his Culture of Conspiracy framework would have predicted in the face of a challenge to deeply-held beliefs.

PRIME Lab is funded by the National Science Foundation and must comply with U.S. law regarding the testing of artifacts imported from abroad. U.S. law forbids the importation of antiquities without a permit, following international cultural heritage treaties. Foerster exported the artifacts from Peru, with which the U.S. has a bilateral treaty forbidding the importation of antiquities without a permit, and the State Department forbids the importation of material “stolen” (removed without permission) from a “monument” after the implementation of the Convention on Cultural Property Implementation Act of 1983. Puma Punku is, of course, part of the Tiwanaku UNESCO World Heritage Site and subject to the restrictions of CPIA and other cultural patrimony laws.

Several years ago Bolivia, in fact, refused to renew Harvard University’s summer archaeological field school at the site because it allowed untrained students to excavate at the site. Bolivia now allows only certified archaeologists with documented funding to work at the site. Brien Foerster is neither of those things.

Swenson promised to seek “options” for alternative ways to test the sample. A portion of the smuggled artifact had already been examined by New Zealand geologist and engineer Chris Gulliver, who had no problem with examining illegally removed artifacts but could come to no conclusion about the same other than that the stones had been cut mechanically and had been buried in soil for a long time, according to an email posted on the fundraising page.

Foerster and Swenson follow in the footsteps of the Spanish conquistadors, who had trouble believing that Native people could have built Tiwanaku. Pedro Cieza de Leon, for example, wrote in his Chronicle 1.105: “For myself I fail to understand with what instruments or tools it can have been done; for it is very certain that before these great stones could be brought to perfection and left as we see them, the tools must have been much better than those now used by the Indians” (trans. Clements R. Markham). He goes on to say: “From this, and from the fact that they also speak of bearded men on the island of Titicaca, and of others who built the edifice of Vinaque, it may, perhaps, be inferred that, before the Yncas reigned, there was an intelligent race who came from some unknown part, and who did these things. Being few, and the natives many, they may all have been killed in the wars.”

This, of course, is the foundation for all that occurs now, but note that Cieza de Leon drew an inference—in fact, the natives told him they did not know who built Tiwakanu—and later writers like Erich von Däniken and Graham Hancock took his inference as fact and have developed a mythology of aliens or Caucasians who were the “real” builders of the site. Arthur Posnansky provided the final part of the claim—that the site is immeasurably old, based on his faulty assumption that the semi-subterranean temple was perfectly aligned to the sun as it appeared in 15,000 BCE. This final claim is the one Foerster and Swenson wanted to test, in order to suggest proof for the other claims.

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lurkster
4/5/2014 07:24:06 am

"After 6 months of discussion and leading me on, they pulled the plug."

That seems like an awfully long time to get rejected for not having the proper paperwork. Doesn't it seem far more likely that Foerster and Swenson were the ones giving PRIME the run-around?

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Jason Colavito link
4/5/2014 07:36:46 am

I could only speculate. I would guess (and it's only a guess) that they contacted PRIME 6 mos. earlier to inquire about getting rock tested and probably didn't tell them what it was or how it was obtained until it was time to file the application and paperwork at the time of payment. After all, Foerster claims he didn't export the chips from Peru before the end of Nov. 2013, which was less than six months ago, so PRIME couldn't have been working with them on it that long.

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lurkster
4/5/2014 08:27:48 am

Ahh, thanks! I overlooked the Nov. 2013 claim when trying to make sense of this. I wouldn't have raised the question if I had spotted that inconsistency.

Steve StC
4/5/2014 06:08:39 pm

Fascinating review of Colavito's self-published book, "Unearthing the Truth".

"This self-published book follows a trend started in the wake of the huge success of the book and film The Da Vinci Code. A whole cottage industry grew up around The Da Vinci Code devoted to debunking its claims. Jason Colavito’s book jumps on that bandwagon and is entirely devoted to debunking the claims of the popular television series, America Unearthed.
While this book makes some interesting arguments and rebuttals to what is presented on America Unearthed, those arguments are all ultimately sidelined by Colavito’s fixation on attacking the show’s host, Scott Wolter, as well as the production company and the History channel, against whom Colavito seems to have a personal vendetta (which may be due to the fact that Wolter’s series beat him to hosting his own show on a similar topic, as revealed on Colavito’s own website).

While this all calls Colavito’s arguments and judgments into question, in the end, what most makes me question Colavito’s arguments is that he has no expertise in the fields into which he wades. He takes Wolter to task for having no more than a bachelor’s degree, but Wolter is a professional geologist with years of experience (his firm was called in to assess the damage to the concrete in the Pentagon after the 9-11 attacks), while Colavito has no relevant degree or experience in the fields he expounds upon and it quickly shows. Sadly, this all makes the title of the book - Unearthing the Truth – very ironic. It is amateurishly, and at times childishly, written. His constant personal attacks on Wolter (right down to the clothes he wears on the show) quickly become nauseating.

But most damning of all is what Colavito claims in the last words of the introduction, where he discusses the huge audience the show has: “Something in the show struck a nerve, and in reviewing the show episode by episode I came to learn exactly what.” At the end of chapter one, we learn what this is. Colavito asserts that the show has a racist agenda, promoting a white, Eurocentric view of history, a “barely-coherent conspiracy mindset both Wolter and the show’s producers irresponsibly promoted – a problem that would only grow as the show moved from the Maya’s to its real focus, Europeans.”
When Colavito went on in chapter two to associate Scott Wolter with neo-Nazis and pedophiles, I could read no more. Sadly, the forum on his website is filled with similar accusations by Colavito’s unquestioning followers, and it all paints a sad picture. Colavito gives informed and responsible skeptics a bad name."

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terry the censor
4/5/2014 06:42:25 pm

@Steve StC

Fortunately, Steve, long, off-topic, copy-and-pasted attacks aren't symptomatic of malicious cracks.

Unless you are a malicious crank, in which case I will update the profile.

Matt Mc
4/6/2014 02:35:12 am

So many tears from a descendant of a British noble.

very sad actually, Steve I always thought despite being a pain in the ass you were above behavior like this. I guess not. Lets face it finding a negative review of anything on the internet is not really that difficult.

I mean we could all start cut and pasting all the negative reviews for Wolter's books and shows but what good would that do.

Sad really, very very sad. Steve I would say it is time to grow up a little.

Jason Colavito link
4/6/2014 02:42:21 am

Please, that isn't even the worst review I've ever received. That one has the singular honor, though, of being factually inaccurate, since my degree in archaeology would, of course, be relevant to questions of archaeology. The author of the review, Jeffrey Butz, is of course, a fringe history buff and a true believer in the Priory of Sion and a Freemason conspiracy to hide the truth about the real legacy of Jesus, which involves America's Founding Fathers... Oh, wait... you mean he has an axe to grind and a motive for trashing anything that calls his own profitable business of conspiracy-mongering into question... Perish the thought!

Steve StC was quoting
4/6/2014 04:13:33 am

Steve StC was quoting the review by Jeffrey J. Bütz from Amazon Books

BillUSA
4/6/2014 10:30:37 am

Steve StC -

The complaint-disguised-as-a-review you posted sounds like sour grapes. You make it sound as if there are but a gaggle of Colavito followers with nothing else better to do than to lay here in wait for something to debunk.

Here's a clue, stop going on television to promote debunk-able theories and I'll bet you would find yourself (and other purveyors of fringe theories) less of a topic. You want to escape criticism? Try proving your claims.

I see you come on to this site to make statements without regard for maturity or respect. You attack Jason and readers who are merely trying to provide a source of information about (in this case) the theories put forth by people who are trying to capitalize on the success enjoyed by Dan Brown. Sounds like you have a problem with the truth and how it negatively affects business.

I follow no one. My mind is my own. While not a scientific scholar in any specialized field I have always had the greatest enthusiasm for the scientific community, the scientific method and critical thinking. I independently arrive at this website to learn. You and the likes of you live in a land of make-believe and try to brainwash the unknowing for the sake of a buck.

Tell me, which is more noble, teaching the unknowing to be wary of snake oil salesman or the business of selling snake oil?

RLewis
4/7/2014 01:40:15 am

Hey, they forgot to note your credentials as a "low level journalist".

Steve StC
4/5/2014 06:10:57 pm

Just trying to help you sell more copies of that book, Jasaon. Surely, this review will help...

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Only Me
4/5/2014 07:30:45 pm

So should these:

"They should turn his book into a episode tv show that will air right after the specific American Unearthed episode. Hope he writes a book for this season Also."

"I love the margins of history, and this book is fantastic at highlighting and explaining some of the stranger stories of early American history. It is also, of course, a full-throated criticism of the H2 show America Unearthed, with the author demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt that very little of what's on the show is true. Full disclosure: I haven't seen a single episode of the show; but I still enjoyed the book immensely. It's required reading in an age when "alternate history" is on the rise."

Steve StC
4/5/2014 06:13:13 pm

Worthy of repeating --

"It is amateurishly, and at times childishly, written. His constant personal attacks on Wolter (right down to the clothes he wears on the show) quickly become nauseating."

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Only Me
4/5/2014 07:01:20 pm

As long as we're playing the cut-and-paste game, allow me to help.

In response to Jeffrey J. Bütz's "review":

Bryant Lister says:

"So, you hate a book that questions the nonsense of people like Scott Wolter, but you love books that claim bible fairy tales are 'history'. I think your bias clouds your ability to review books that question mythology and fairy tales.
Your review attacks the author but doesn't address the facts presented in the book. Your are guilty of exactly what you claim the author of this book is doing. Based on your final paragraph, you state that you didn't read more than the first chapter. That's a very telling admission and makes your review of this book fairly worthless."

Steven R. Thompson says:

"Unless I have misunderstood the Amazon rating system, a "1" star means you hated the product. Like Bryant I wish you had read a bit farther into the book and talked a bit more about the points made by the author so I could make a more informed decision on whether to ultimately purchase this."

KIF
4/6/2014 04:26:52 am

If "America Unearthed" were made in a scholarly and objective way, balancing conspiracy theory with historical fact - both the viewer and the presenter Scott Wolter would learn something

Brien
4/14/2014 12:11:54 am

No artifacts were chipped from, nor were they taken from the Puma Punku site, as in, within the fenced area. Your allegations are both false and libelous...

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Jason Colavito link
4/14/2014 12:21:36 am

Would you care then to explain you comments where you appear to state otherwise? "Samples of andesite stone from Tiwanaku and Puma Punku that have come from the megaliths will be shipped from Peru." Given that such material is not allowed to leave the country, how did you remove it?

Under Bolivian law, antiquities are not restricted to "fenced" areas, so this is not relevant to Bolivia's ban on exporting archaeological material without a permit. Please show us a copy of your export permit. Or are you saying that you don't know where the stones came from and just assumed they were from the megaliths?

Robin S. Swope
4/5/2014 08:56:32 am

In the light of the recent FBI raid in Indiana, I bet there is going to be a knock on Mr. Foerster's door in the near future.

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Mark E.
4/5/2014 10:08:53 am

Jason; your post reminded of the two germans, Dominique Goerlitz and Stefan Erdmann, that are in trouble for vandalizing the Khufu pyramid. When I did a search to see what the current status of the two was I ran across a photo on a German "Atlantis Research" site where they are standing next to Dr. Hans Giffhorn.

http://atlantisforschung.de/index.php?title=Bemerkenswerte_Vorträge_zur_Erforschung_der_Zivilisationsgeschichte

Just thought you may find it of interest.

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A.D
4/5/2014 12:14:43 pm

Thanks Mark for confirming what I had suspected about that character.No surprise to me at all.I expected it.

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The Chief link
4/6/2014 02:21:56 am

In a room full of luminaries its hard to spot the brightest, but the dim one is easy to find.

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william smith
4/6/2014 03:29:40 am

As a graduate from Purdue in mechanical engineering and a daughter in chemical engineering, I am proud that the university maintains the high standards of ethics that is required to exist in todays world of politics and research. If the University opened their doors for testing artifacts without proper documentation they degrade the credibility of the University.

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John Lowe
4/6/2014 05:55:03 am

The thing about conspiracy theories is that you can always just accuse anyone who believes other than you do of being part of the conspiracy.

I wish I could remember the guys name so I could link the article; but there was a UFO enthusiast/investigator who believed the government was hiding proof of Aliens etc. The investigator was conducting an investigation of into a man's claims that he had proof of this. The investigator found out that the man had made the whole story up and the investigator reported it as a hoax. The man then accused the investigator of being part of the conspiracy and everyone in the UFO community turned against the investigator.

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Only Me
4/6/2014 06:11:53 am

Sounds like Kal Korff and the Billy Meier case.

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RLewis
4/7/2014 02:52:40 am

Sounds like nearly every UFO, Alien, Bigfoot, Ghost, ESP, Templar claim.

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The Snarkmeister
4/6/2014 05:00:05 pm

Well Steve St Clair strikes out again!

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Pacal
4/7/2014 06:15:38 am

Regarding the date of Tiwakanu. It is indisputable that the site dates after 1 B.C.E. There are all sorts of Carbon 14 dating results. The problem with using stellar alignments of buildings is that the site is very heavily damaged by people quarrying the site for building stone for the last few centuries. There have also been various bungled efforts to reconstruct some of the structures. So alleged alignments do not trump carbon 14 dating results.

See Dating the Tiwanku State at <a-href>http://www.scielo.cl/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0717-73562004000100003.</a>

There are of course some dates that don't fit the period 0-1000 C.E. but the majority do and there does not appear to be any date before 2000 B.C.E.

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william smith
4/10/2014 03:46:41 am

Pacal - I agree with you on the use of stellar alignments alone for dating ancient sites like Tiwakanu, however with Carbon 14 dating and true north and south alignment the position of the stellar alignments can be estimated.
A more modern structure like the Newport Tower in R.I.can be date estimated with accuracy by applying all known measurable information.
The mortar in the tower using C-14 shows 3 dates in the late 1400s and 3 in the 1700s. (these two dates make séance when you consider its construction date as late 1400s and the repair made after a powder explosion in the 1700s).
Additional support to the 1400s date is the builders triangle stone placed 14 degrees west of true north at the top of the tower. The triangle stone does not confirm it was built by Templars, however it does confirm the tower was built with alignment tools that measured true north and magnetic north during its construction. The only tool known during this time period to accomplish this task was the lodestone compass. Because of the drift toward the east of the earths magnetic field one could use a magnetic declination calculator to establish a historical date of construction.
Other information that support this are items found at the site by the 1947 archaeological dig by Godfrey. Some items recovered from this dig are held in the Historical Society of Newport. They include a compass needle, lens and alignment marks in the sill of the south window. In summary The Newport Tower was first built in 1472, 20 years before Columbus. This date is also supported in the 1494 treaty between Spain and Portugal which describes the process of marking new land. (Build a tower on the East boundary and place a marker 370 leagues west of this tower).

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Only Me
4/10/2014 06:21:07 pm

The Newport Tower is a terrible example, William, for the following reasons:

1) You propose a 1472 construction date based on the idea the 3 and 6 in the KRS's 1362 date should be read as 4 and 7. Scott Wolter makes a stronger argument for the date, due to his research indicating a "double-date" on the stone.

2) The 1992 C-14 dates remain controversial, because all six mortar samples yielded dates between 1410-1930. The researchers themselves concluded a range between 1635-1698 based on those results.

3) Godfrey's *1948* dig, published in Godfrey's 1951 Ph.D. dissertation, concluded that all the artifacts discovered were from the 17th century. Godfrey's dissertation identifies Benedict Arnold as the builder of the tower, stating that Arnold "purchased some of his Newport property, specifically the section on which he later built his house and the stone mill, the year before he moved... At some period before 1677 Arnold built the Old Stone Mill."

4) The 1494 Treaty of Torsedillas does *not* state "Build a tower on the East boundary and place a marker 370 leagues west of this tower". This is an interpolation on your part, based on a "feeling", as you admitted to Mandalore in another comment.

5) The first proposed Portuguese origin for the tower comes from Edmund B. Delabarre, using the controversial Dighton Rock as evidence. He claims shipwrecked Miguel Corte-Real built it in 1501 or 1502, later than your date, and after the Treaty of Torsedillas was signed.

6) There are no accounts from any of the colonists of Rhode Island about a stone tower already present when they arrived. Also, colony co-founder, Roger Williams, published a book called "A Key Into the Language of America". This was based on his years of friendly contact with the Narragansett people, and it included not just details of their language, but also a great deal of information about their culture and their view of the world around them. One thing it does not include, however, is a single word about a mysterious stone tower on Aquidneck Island.

7) Comments from Gareth, in March of last year, debunk quite well your assertion that the tower was built using the Dutch/Scottish Ell. For those interested, check the headline "America's Oldest Secret".

8) All your repeated statements about the tower come from your article on Migration and Diffusion, which contained no sources for others to verify or read on their own.

Alternative hypotheses are fine, as long as there is sufficient evidence to support them. Slapping some numbers together and making claims without proper reference material doesn't cut it. Just like Posnansky's stellar alignment and date of Tiwanaku.

william smith
4/11/2014 05:46:02 am

Only Me - I thank you for your dedicated support for Scott Wolter and your attempt to degrade my facts of find or theory about the Newport Tower and the KRS. I have been researching these sites for many years with the aid of people that are well qualified. On many of these visits Scott Wolter has been present and helpful when requested. I also have met Steve Sinclair and admire his ability to organize information sharing like he did at the Atlantic conference. I also admire people like Jason that provide this forum for open discussion. As an engineer I may look at things a little different than other researchers. Frankly I do not value your opinion because you choose to hide behind a conceded name (Only ME).

Only Me
4/11/2014 07:23:18 am

I see. I didn't realize using the potential of the Internet to research the substance of your hypothesis would be so offensive. I had no idea that discovering contrary evidence was not tolerated. My mistake.

Your interactions with Steve and Scott have no bearing on the matter, and I have no problem with you looking at things from an engineering perspective. Years spent researching something doesn't necessarily mean that your conclusion is right, only that it differs from the information I found. That also doesn't mean it's wrong, because at least someone is still looking into the subject.

I think you know as well as everyone else that I'm far from a dedicated supporter of Scott, but I guess you had to get in a cheap shot to satisfy the perceived slight.

I have nothing against you, but if trying to find the sources behind your facts, for my own benefit, is going to lead to such animosity, I'll leave you alone. I wish you good fortune in the future, whether you value that or not.

william smith
4/11/2014 04:48:35 pm

Only Me - You have not explained your so called information you have found other than some references to other authors work. Are you aware that people other than myself have also measured the Newport Tower and studied factual data that exist on the KRS. A couple examples are the Scottish or Dutch El used as the standard of measurement at the Newport Tower. Their has been over 100 people researched and published material on the tower. Three of these were engineers counting myself. One was contracted by the Newport Parks department to collect data for documentation. All agreed that the Scottish or Dutch El was the unit of measure. My collection of measurements have over 100 separate measurements supported by a Civil Engineer working with me in some cases. This one fact alone makes a hard case for any English like Arnold building the structure as a wind mill. Scott Wolter states it is a church, however Michigan State agriculture department for soil study indicates the soil below and outside the west window has no salt compared to native soil in the park. One process for removing salt from soil is to spray it with fish oil. The oil absorbs the salt in the ground and rain brings it to the surface to be washed away. We use this process today to remove salt from the soil along the road in our yards to allow grass to grow. It is called (Salt be gone). When the barrels of smoked cod fish were removed from the tower at the west window they were placed on the ground and filled with fresh water from the well 200 ft. away on Spring Street. The water added to the barrel to swell the wood and seal it before capped allowed cod fish oil that did not crystalize to overflow the barrel onto the ground where it left its mark today in the soil study. Why do you feel the west window is the only window built with an upper sill designed like the Roman arch to support added weight from above? As an engineer and pointed out to me by an architect, it was to support the 6inx6in wooden beam above the window that was used like a yard arm for unloading. You say Godfrey supported the windmill theory from his 1947/8 dig. I have read his report and studied all of the recovered artifacts and took photos of many. I did not see his support for what you say. Please show me. Did he comment on the two boxes of cod fish bones that are in the collection. Did he comment on the barrel making tool, the compass needle, the compass glass or the 5 knifes and over 40 pipes? I did in my migration and diffusion paper. Not because I want to publish any book, but because I wanted the truth to be stated for accurate reporting with facts I confirmed.
I agree with much of the findings on the KRS by all researchers that have spent time on the ground at the site and are open to constructive criticism, however when they let their humming bird ass get ahead of their alligator mouth I walk away. The KRS has a .022 in. mechanical wear line about one inch below the runic letters which hopefully is being double checked to confirm the stone stood upright for about 300 years before it fell on its front face. It stood at the south west of the hill and faced this direction so all coming by small boat could read it. Remove the small dam about 1/4 mile west of the hill and in the spring you may be able to float to the hill from the west. Of course it would have been a lot easier in 1362 because of the lack of man made water barriers and road beds built between Kensington and Hudson Bay. This includes the three large dams in the US and Canada. I try not to cut others work, however their is no hidden code or date on the KRS supported by the dotted R or Easter code. (The dots in the R's are not man made when compared to the dots separating the runic letters) You have to explain all the dots on the KRS and avoid cherry picking to manufacture a hidden code. You also have to explain why their is very few dots on the stone below the wear line compared to all the dots above this line. You also have to explain the concave bottom of the KRS and the 1/3 of the unused area of this 202 lb. artifact.
I do not mind you criticizing my findings as long as you have factual data and not he said she said information.
My reason for not identifying names and documents that support or do not support my theory is because I respect their opinion and work. This does not say I agree or disagree.
Some correction to your earlier post is Michel Cort real was not lost in 1501 it was in 1502, one year after his brother Casper was lost or 31 years after his father built the Tower. Michel's ship was the Altamora and was lost in a storm off the coast of Main. The ships mast is in a museum in Nova Scotia. The date on Dighten Rock is 1511 when the local native Americans became hostile after they realized their race was being decimated by the introduction of pneumonia. They fled to New Hampshire where they lost the lodestone from their fathers compass, then went to New York where they left the remaining

Only Me
4/11/2014 05:36:19 pm

Let me explain something to you, William, so we are clear. My response to your post was never intended to be an insult or an attempt to belittle your work. However, I've seen comments from past posts where others have questioned or pointed to what they felt were flaws in your hypothesis. I took it upon myself to look into each argument you use to support it, and without sources from your article, I spent a long time reading multiple sites to get an idea of what was the consensus view vs. the personal view expressed from someone's book/website. I tried to weigh it all fairly, and had hoped to find some of the references you had used to arrive at your conclusion.

Yes, the information I found is reflective of the work of other researchers or archaeologists, but that doesn't mean I can't use it to compare to your own work, just because you have a different opinion, does it? I was hoping it would spur you to address the difference, so I could have a better understanding of your methodology.

I didn't say Godfrey supported the windmill theory; I only reprinted what I had found concerning his identification of Benedict Arnold as building the tower. If this is wrong, then there are several places on the Internet where this wrong information has been repeated. This has been attributed to Godfrey, "Digging a Tower and Laying a Ghost",p.5.

As to the KRS "dot code", I found a PDF last year (I didn't save the site) that included Scott's research that led him to believe the stone was "double-dated" with 1362. Just because I mentioned it doesn't mean I support it. I just thought he made one of his *better* arguments for it.

I'm aware of the disappearance of Miguel Corte-Real, because one of *your* past comments made me curious enough to search on my own.

You see, William, I think you have an interesting idea. Due to you, I've searched for more information on a subject that I wasn't aware of before. Even if the work of others I have found disagrees with your hypothesis, even if I'm not completely convinced, you shouldn't take it personally when I use that information to point out there are facts that dispute your own. Nobody has all the answers, or even the best answer, but I try to expand my own knowledge base to understand how there can be such diverse opinions on a given subject.

I do appreciate the new details you've given me. You've provided me with more insight into your hypothesis.

william smith
4/12/2014 12:18:56 pm

Only Me - Thank you for your view and feel free to ask for any missing logic you find in my postings. I have also like you challenged many of the published findings and find fault in the supporting facts they use to support a specific theory. I am sure you have made statements that can be challenged. Your post states Godfrey stated Benedict Arnold built the Newport Tower. My research shows documentation of this Tower existing on maps that existed before Arnold was born. I have read where others state it was his grandfather who built the tower for a windmill. Some say it is a church (Sue Carolson) and some say it is a Templar church (Scott Wolter). When you look at the structure with an open mind as well as the information or theory's published by others with an objective to make sure all of your findings and research are tested before published you will come a lot closer to the truth. My first actual visit on site of the tower applied the theory's others had published to see if they hold the test of time and function. During my first visit William Pendalhower (sp) was showing a NEARA group how the light from the south window would cast light at mid day on the ground 8 ft. north of the tower. When mid day came and Bill was disappointed that the light did not shine on the location he pointed out, I walked over to his group and told him it was Sept and the light would not reach the area he chose until Dec. 21st. I also told him it would be at the center of the tower on the summer solstice. When I told him this it was whispered in his ear so his peers would not degrade his very good work. I have spent many hours and emails with Bill and respect his findings. The engineering challenge I walked away with was how would this work if their was a floor between the south window and the ground? The answer is obvious when you look at the south second floor wall pocket and the north small window at the same elevation and size. When you connect the two openings in the tower with a wooden rod about 24 ft. in length you will see this north south rod about 4 ft. above the finish floor on the second level. When you then ask the question why does this rod protrude outside of the tower only on the north side? The answer to this is best explained by small step recesses and platform recess that exist on the inner north wall. This leads to another question as to why would the users of the tower want to reach the north end of this rod from inside the tower as well as from the outside of the tower? The only logic answer was at times they wanted to turn the rod from within the tower and at times they wanted to be outside to turn it. This brings up another question as to why they wanted to turn the rod? The logical answer is by turning the rod it would open a trap door of sorts or baffle to allow air into the upper room or close it to contain heat or smoke into the room as well as allow light to tell the time of year. This brings up another question. The steps allowed operation from the inside of the tower, however the rod was at least 16 ft. above ground level on the outside and how did they get to this height or did they use a rope coiled that went to the ground? The logical answer was found by Jan Barsted when she found two post holes located 4 ELL's from the tower columns and projected the likely hood of six more, each being located the same distance from the tower. She also found a charcoal pit outside the tower to the north east. When you look at these facts as well as the facts that each of the eight columns on the tower have an exterior stone support step all you need to do is connect the dots. The logical answer is the tower had a wooden atrium around it with 7 of these for living quarters and 1 at the north east located above the charcoal pit. The roof of this atrium allowed the users to adjust the floor doors or air baffle, adjust the exit of smoke from the double flu second floor fire place and even aid in unloading barrels at the west window. (Their are marks on the south west exterior wall above the atrium that support this area as a staging site for barrels) It also shows one of the eight atriums located at the exterior charcoal pit was designed to provide central heating to the entire facility by building a fire on the ground like other large structures in Europe.
I will stop for now, however this is less than 10% of the information the structure will tell you if you wish to spend the time as I have. The other 90% shows this structure had a main function when it was constructed that allowed processing Cod fish for commercial use. It could have been used to pray in, however likely not a church. It could not have been used as a windmill built by the Arnolds because the walls at the upper level would not support this and no artifacts found by Godfrey or any other researcher support this claim. All other colonial buildings in this area were built with the English standard of measure and not the ELL used by the Dutch and

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william smith
4/13/2014 02:39:03 am

Sorry for the long post about the Newport Tower in my reply to Only Me. I feel their is a few on this site that seek information to identify out of place artifacts that I have studied. My word for study should be defined as gather the facts (photos, size, material, location), then form your own opinion before you start reading all other peoples opinion. I like to use the five W process (Who, What, When Where and Why). If facts support all of these is not enough alone because other peoples theories and facts need to be tested to your findings. This is where you will find it very difficult and personal because you become the bad guy. I admire Jason's ability to do this and still hold up under the threat of law suit and such by the conceded want to be researchers that attack him. I also admire Purdue University for standing up and saying no to some want to be researchers. Sometimes by saying No you become the good guy.

Mark L
4/8/2014 01:27:28 am

I complained to the Indiegogo people while this fundraiser was still going on, and the reply I got was "well, he might have just not mentioned that he's got the right paperwork", which I thought was pretty odd.

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Dan
4/8/2014 02:33:54 am

I also complained to the Indiegogo people and got the same kind of brush-off. I guess they got their money and are insulated from liability so they don't really care.

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Judith Bennett
4/8/2014 03:14:14 pm

Might be interesting to contact indiegogo again. It is too late for this round, but they might think twice about hosting another fundraiser for Foerster.

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McGilicuty
4/29/2014 09:52:53 am

The site was created with machines. The fact that there is hardly any interest in the construction of Puma Punku, reflects the sad state of humanity today. Distorted priorities, no time to look into the sky at night, ponder, ect..

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whats it matter
7/9/2016 10:23:57 am

Laughable.

A man who lives and breathes a culture, really getting to know its history, its traditions, and its people.

"I have a degree in archeology"

Well, I have a degree in Computing....and after 10 years of real experience in the field, and real success...guess what its worth? squat....

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Dana Kuss
10/9/2020 12:34:13 am

There is little difference in the people you criticize for perceived folly, poor human behavior and your own. I'm a nurse, do you know my ethic? I tell people my own opinion. I don't go find a nurse I think doesn't have the best practice then write a blog and sew discord and childish fighting, I just create a space where there's more competence and better science, and people are drawn to me for it. It's because it shows restraint, wisdom, maturity and emotional intelligence (good esteem). You can't use being right to bully others. If a drunk man with a mental illness threatens to sue me, I still treat him with kindness. I apply boundaries, and I don't challenge his character disorder or confabulation, I don't add fuel to it. I find a way to distract or stop responding. I find evidenced based ways to promote him as well as shielding society and providing guidance and support. I encourage you to maybe talk out some of your behaviors towards others you disagree with, to maybe find better ways and get some feedback. It may reveal some deeper issue. The tribal behavior with the cattiness seems like a red flag to me and I see this mainstream in humans now. I see people literally using excuses like social justice and peace to act out behaviors, alternative forms of violence (passive aggression and manipulation). I wish someone would help model a better behavior for you. Best of luck.

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          • Man During the Stone Age
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        • Fragments on Giants
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        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
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        • The Mutinous Sea
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        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
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        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
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        • Prince Henry Sinclair
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        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
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        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
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        • Noah's Ark Cables
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        • UFOs in Ancient China
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      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
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        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
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      • The Cursed Car
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      • Lucian's True History
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      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
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      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
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      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
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        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
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      • The Balloon-Hoax
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      • The Migration of Symbols
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