Editor's note: Following a complaint from Brien Foerster, this post has been edited to remove references to destructive removal of the stone fragments. You will I trust recall that Brien Foerster, the fringe theorist, publicly stated that he had taken fragments of stones at Puma Punku in Bolivia for the purpose of having them tested at a laboratory here in the United States as part of an effort to prove that archaeologists have been lying about the age of the ancient site to cover up the involvement of space aliens, a lost civilization, or Bible giants. Foerster stated this on an online fundraising website where he requested that his supporters give him cash to pay for the testing. At the time, I criticized Foerster for violating Bolivia’s cultural heritage laws since he provided no evidence that he had received permission to damage the ancient site or an export permit to remove artifacts from the country—something Bolivia doesn’t give to amateurs. Now it turns out that the laboratory Foerster and his research partner, David Swenson, a retired biologist who believes Bigfoot is interbreeding with human women, wanted to test their artifacts refused their request, and this is almost certainly because they did not have the proper export permits and could not demonstrate that they had acquired the artifacts legally. But that’s not how Swenson saw it when he reported this on the project’s fundraising webpage. It is with some sadness and some anger that the PRIME lab at Purdue informed me that they do not do samples like ours. I felt like I was talking to Jay Carney (Presidential spokesman) in that none of the answers I got rang true. After 6 months of discussion and leading me on, they pulled the plug. You know, scientists need to grow a pair! Fear of hurting their reputation for shaking up the established paradigm is no way to live. Swenson immediately jumps to a conspiracy to explain why his and Foerster’s plans have been thwarted. Swenson assumes that the Purdue Rare Isotope Measurement (PRIME) Laboratory, in the university’s Department of Physics and Astronomy, is somehow in cahoots with archaeology to defend the “established paradigm.” This type of knee-jerk reaction is diagnostic of a conspiratorial mindset as defined by Michael Barkun, and is exactly what his Culture of Conspiracy framework would have predicted in the face of a challenge to deeply-held beliefs.
PRIME Lab is funded by the National Science Foundation and must comply with U.S. law regarding the testing of artifacts imported from abroad. U.S. law forbids the importation of antiquities without a permit, following international cultural heritage treaties. Foerster exported the artifacts from Peru, with which the U.S. has a bilateral treaty forbidding the importation of antiquities without a permit, and the State Department forbids the importation of material “stolen” (removed without permission) from a “monument” after the implementation of the Convention on Cultural Property Implementation Act of 1983. Puma Punku is, of course, part of the Tiwanaku UNESCO World Heritage Site and subject to the restrictions of CPIA and other cultural patrimony laws. Several years ago Bolivia, in fact, refused to renew Harvard University’s summer archaeological field school at the site because it allowed untrained students to excavate at the site. Bolivia now allows only certified archaeologists with documented funding to work at the site. Brien Foerster is neither of those things. Swenson promised to seek “options” for alternative ways to test the sample. A portion of the smuggled artifact had already been examined by New Zealand geologist and engineer Chris Gulliver, who had no problem with examining illegally removed artifacts but could come to no conclusion about the same other than that the stones had been cut mechanically and had been buried in soil for a long time, according to an email posted on the fundraising page. Foerster and Swenson follow in the footsteps of the Spanish conquistadors, who had trouble believing that Native people could have built Tiwanaku. Pedro Cieza de Leon, for example, wrote in his Chronicle 1.105: “For myself I fail to understand with what instruments or tools it can have been done; for it is very certain that before these great stones could be brought to perfection and left as we see them, the tools must have been much better than those now used by the Indians” (trans. Clements R. Markham). He goes on to say: “From this, and from the fact that they also speak of bearded men on the island of Titicaca, and of others who built the edifice of Vinaque, it may, perhaps, be inferred that, before the Yncas reigned, there was an intelligent race who came from some unknown part, and who did these things. Being few, and the natives many, they may all have been killed in the wars.” This, of course, is the foundation for all that occurs now, but note that Cieza de Leon drew an inference—in fact, the natives told him they did not know who built Tiwakanu—and later writers like Erich von Däniken and Graham Hancock took his inference as fact and have developed a mythology of aliens or Caucasians who were the “real” builders of the site. Arthur Posnansky provided the final part of the claim—that the site is immeasurably old, based on his faulty assumption that the semi-subterranean temple was perfectly aligned to the sun as it appeared in 15,000 BCE. This final claim is the one Foerster and Swenson wanted to test, in order to suggest proof for the other claims.
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lurkster
4/5/2014 07:24:06 am
"After 6 months of discussion and leading me on, they pulled the plug."
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4/5/2014 07:36:46 am
I could only speculate. I would guess (and it's only a guess) that they contacted PRIME 6 mos. earlier to inquire about getting rock tested and probably didn't tell them what it was or how it was obtained until it was time to file the application and paperwork at the time of payment. After all, Foerster claims he didn't export the chips from Peru before the end of Nov. 2013, which was less than six months ago, so PRIME couldn't have been working with them on it that long.
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lurkster
4/5/2014 08:27:48 am
Ahh, thanks! I overlooked the Nov. 2013 claim when trying to make sense of this. I wouldn't have raised the question if I had spotted that inconsistency.
Steve StC
4/5/2014 06:08:39 pm
Fascinating review of Colavito's self-published book, "Unearthing the Truth".
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terry the censor
4/5/2014 06:42:25 pm
@Steve StC
Matt Mc
4/6/2014 02:35:12 am
So many tears from a descendant of a British noble. 4/6/2014 02:42:21 am
Please, that isn't even the worst review I've ever received. That one has the singular honor, though, of being factually inaccurate, since my degree in archaeology would, of course, be relevant to questions of archaeology. The author of the review, Jeffrey Butz, is of course, a fringe history buff and a true believer in the Priory of Sion and a Freemason conspiracy to hide the truth about the real legacy of Jesus, which involves America's Founding Fathers... Oh, wait... you mean he has an axe to grind and a motive for trashing anything that calls his own profitable business of conspiracy-mongering into question... Perish the thought!
Steve StC was quoting
4/6/2014 04:13:33 am
Steve StC was quoting the review by Jeffrey J. Bütz from Amazon Books
BillUSA
4/6/2014 10:30:37 am
Steve StC -
RLewis
4/7/2014 01:40:15 am
Hey, they forgot to note your credentials as a "low level journalist".
Steve StC
4/5/2014 06:10:57 pm
Just trying to help you sell more copies of that book, Jasaon. Surely, this review will help...
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Only Me
4/5/2014 07:30:45 pm
So should these:
Steve StC
4/5/2014 06:13:13 pm
Worthy of repeating --
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Only Me
4/5/2014 07:01:20 pm
As long as we're playing the cut-and-paste game, allow me to help.
KIF
4/6/2014 04:26:52 am
If "America Unearthed" were made in a scholarly and objective way, balancing conspiracy theory with historical fact - both the viewer and the presenter Scott Wolter would learn something
Brien
4/14/2014 12:11:54 am
No artifacts were chipped from, nor were they taken from the Puma Punku site, as in, within the fenced area. Your allegations are both false and libelous...
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4/14/2014 12:21:36 am
Would you care then to explain you comments where you appear to state otherwise? "Samples of andesite stone from Tiwanaku and Puma Punku that have come from the megaliths will be shipped from Peru." Given that such material is not allowed to leave the country, how did you remove it?
Robin S. Swope
4/5/2014 08:56:32 am
In the light of the recent FBI raid in Indiana, I bet there is going to be a knock on Mr. Foerster's door in the near future.
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Mark E.
4/5/2014 10:08:53 am
Jason; your post reminded of the two germans, Dominique Goerlitz and Stefan Erdmann, that are in trouble for vandalizing the Khufu pyramid. When I did a search to see what the current status of the two was I ran across a photo on a German "Atlantis Research" site where they are standing next to Dr. Hans Giffhorn.
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A.D
4/5/2014 12:14:43 pm
Thanks Mark for confirming what I had suspected about that character.No surprise to me at all.I expected it.
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william smith
4/6/2014 03:29:40 am
As a graduate from Purdue in mechanical engineering and a daughter in chemical engineering, I am proud that the university maintains the high standards of ethics that is required to exist in todays world of politics and research. If the University opened their doors for testing artifacts without proper documentation they degrade the credibility of the University.
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John Lowe
4/6/2014 05:55:03 am
The thing about conspiracy theories is that you can always just accuse anyone who believes other than you do of being part of the conspiracy.
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Only Me
4/6/2014 06:11:53 am
Sounds like Kal Korff and the Billy Meier case.
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RLewis
4/7/2014 02:52:40 am
Sounds like nearly every UFO, Alien, Bigfoot, Ghost, ESP, Templar claim.
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The Snarkmeister
4/6/2014 05:00:05 pm
Well Steve St Clair strikes out again!
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Pacal
4/7/2014 06:15:38 am
Regarding the date of Tiwakanu. It is indisputable that the site dates after 1 B.C.E. There are all sorts of Carbon 14 dating results. The problem with using stellar alignments of buildings is that the site is very heavily damaged by people quarrying the site for building stone for the last few centuries. There have also been various bungled efforts to reconstruct some of the structures. So alleged alignments do not trump carbon 14 dating results.
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william smith
4/10/2014 03:46:41 am
Pacal - I agree with you on the use of stellar alignments alone for dating ancient sites like Tiwakanu, however with Carbon 14 dating and true north and south alignment the position of the stellar alignments can be estimated.
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Only Me
4/10/2014 06:21:07 pm
The Newport Tower is a terrible example, William, for the following reasons:
william smith
4/11/2014 05:46:02 am
Only Me - I thank you for your dedicated support for Scott Wolter and your attempt to degrade my facts of find or theory about the Newport Tower and the KRS. I have been researching these sites for many years with the aid of people that are well qualified. On many of these visits Scott Wolter has been present and helpful when requested. I also have met Steve Sinclair and admire his ability to organize information sharing like he did at the Atlantic conference. I also admire people like Jason that provide this forum for open discussion. As an engineer I may look at things a little different than other researchers. Frankly I do not value your opinion because you choose to hide behind a conceded name (Only ME).
Only Me
4/11/2014 07:23:18 am
I see. I didn't realize using the potential of the Internet to research the substance of your hypothesis would be so offensive. I had no idea that discovering contrary evidence was not tolerated. My mistake.
william smith
4/11/2014 04:48:35 pm
Only Me - You have not explained your so called information you have found other than some references to other authors work. Are you aware that people other than myself have also measured the Newport Tower and studied factual data that exist on the KRS. A couple examples are the Scottish or Dutch El used as the standard of measurement at the Newport Tower. Their has been over 100 people researched and published material on the tower. Three of these were engineers counting myself. One was contracted by the Newport Parks department to collect data for documentation. All agreed that the Scottish or Dutch El was the unit of measure. My collection of measurements have over 100 separate measurements supported by a Civil Engineer working with me in some cases. This one fact alone makes a hard case for any English like Arnold building the structure as a wind mill. Scott Wolter states it is a church, however Michigan State agriculture department for soil study indicates the soil below and outside the west window has no salt compared to native soil in the park. One process for removing salt from soil is to spray it with fish oil. The oil absorbs the salt in the ground and rain brings it to the surface to be washed away. We use this process today to remove salt from the soil along the road in our yards to allow grass to grow. It is called (Salt be gone). When the barrels of smoked cod fish were removed from the tower at the west window they were placed on the ground and filled with fresh water from the well 200 ft. away on Spring Street. The water added to the barrel to swell the wood and seal it before capped allowed cod fish oil that did not crystalize to overflow the barrel onto the ground where it left its mark today in the soil study. Why do you feel the west window is the only window built with an upper sill designed like the Roman arch to support added weight from above? As an engineer and pointed out to me by an architect, it was to support the 6inx6in wooden beam above the window that was used like a yard arm for unloading. You say Godfrey supported the windmill theory from his 1947/8 dig. I have read his report and studied all of the recovered artifacts and took photos of many. I did not see his support for what you say. Please show me. Did he comment on the two boxes of cod fish bones that are in the collection. Did he comment on the barrel making tool, the compass needle, the compass glass or the 5 knifes and over 40 pipes? I did in my migration and diffusion paper. Not because I want to publish any book, but because I wanted the truth to be stated for accurate reporting with facts I confirmed.
Only Me
4/11/2014 05:36:19 pm
Let me explain something to you, William, so we are clear. My response to your post was never intended to be an insult or an attempt to belittle your work. However, I've seen comments from past posts where others have questioned or pointed to what they felt were flaws in your hypothesis. I took it upon myself to look into each argument you use to support it, and without sources from your article, I spent a long time reading multiple sites to get an idea of what was the consensus view vs. the personal view expressed from someone's book/website. I tried to weigh it all fairly, and had hoped to find some of the references you had used to arrive at your conclusion.
william smith
4/12/2014 12:18:56 pm
Only Me - Thank you for your view and feel free to ask for any missing logic you find in my postings. I have also like you challenged many of the published findings and find fault in the supporting facts they use to support a specific theory. I am sure you have made statements that can be challenged. Your post states Godfrey stated Benedict Arnold built the Newport Tower. My research shows documentation of this Tower existing on maps that existed before Arnold was born. I have read where others state it was his grandfather who built the tower for a windmill. Some say it is a church (Sue Carolson) and some say it is a Templar church (Scott Wolter). When you look at the structure with an open mind as well as the information or theory's published by others with an objective to make sure all of your findings and research are tested before published you will come a lot closer to the truth. My first actual visit on site of the tower applied the theory's others had published to see if they hold the test of time and function. During my first visit William Pendalhower (sp) was showing a NEARA group how the light from the south window would cast light at mid day on the ground 8 ft. north of the tower. When mid day came and Bill was disappointed that the light did not shine on the location he pointed out, I walked over to his group and told him it was Sept and the light would not reach the area he chose until Dec. 21st. I also told him it would be at the center of the tower on the summer solstice. When I told him this it was whispered in his ear so his peers would not degrade his very good work. I have spent many hours and emails with Bill and respect his findings. The engineering challenge I walked away with was how would this work if their was a floor between the south window and the ground? The answer is obvious when you look at the south second floor wall pocket and the north small window at the same elevation and size. When you connect the two openings in the tower with a wooden rod about 24 ft. in length you will see this north south rod about 4 ft. above the finish floor on the second level. When you then ask the question why does this rod protrude outside of the tower only on the north side? The answer to this is best explained by small step recesses and platform recess that exist on the inner north wall. This leads to another question as to why would the users of the tower want to reach the north end of this rod from inside the tower as well as from the outside of the tower? The only logic answer was at times they wanted to turn the rod from within the tower and at times they wanted to be outside to turn it. This brings up another question as to why they wanted to turn the rod? The logical answer is by turning the rod it would open a trap door of sorts or baffle to allow air into the upper room or close it to contain heat or smoke into the room as well as allow light to tell the time of year. This brings up another question. The steps allowed operation from the inside of the tower, however the rod was at least 16 ft. above ground level on the outside and how did they get to this height or did they use a rope coiled that went to the ground? The logical answer was found by Jan Barsted when she found two post holes located 4 ELL's from the tower columns and projected the likely hood of six more, each being located the same distance from the tower. She also found a charcoal pit outside the tower to the north east. When you look at these facts as well as the facts that each of the eight columns on the tower have an exterior stone support step all you need to do is connect the dots. The logical answer is the tower had a wooden atrium around it with 7 of these for living quarters and 1 at the north east located above the charcoal pit. The roof of this atrium allowed the users to adjust the floor doors or air baffle, adjust the exit of smoke from the double flu second floor fire place and even aid in unloading barrels at the west window. (Their are marks on the south west exterior wall above the atrium that support this area as a staging site for barrels) It also shows one of the eight atriums located at the exterior charcoal pit was designed to provide central heating to the entire facility by building a fire on the ground like other large structures in Europe.
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william smith
4/13/2014 02:39:03 am
Sorry for the long post about the Newport Tower in my reply to Only Me. I feel their is a few on this site that seek information to identify out of place artifacts that I have studied. My word for study should be defined as gather the facts (photos, size, material, location), then form your own opinion before you start reading all other peoples opinion. I like to use the five W process (Who, What, When Where and Why). If facts support all of these is not enough alone because other peoples theories and facts need to be tested to your findings. This is where you will find it very difficult and personal because you become the bad guy. I admire Jason's ability to do this and still hold up under the threat of law suit and such by the conceded want to be researchers that attack him. I also admire Purdue University for standing up and saying no to some want to be researchers. Sometimes by saying No you become the good guy.
Mark L
4/8/2014 01:27:28 am
I complained to the Indiegogo people while this fundraiser was still going on, and the reply I got was "well, he might have just not mentioned that he's got the right paperwork", which I thought was pretty odd.
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Dan
4/8/2014 02:33:54 am
I also complained to the Indiegogo people and got the same kind of brush-off. I guess they got their money and are insulated from liability so they don't really care.
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Judith Bennett
4/8/2014 03:14:14 pm
Might be interesting to contact indiegogo again. It is too late for this round, but they might think twice about hosting another fundraiser for Foerster.
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McGilicuty
4/29/2014 09:52:53 am
The site was created with machines. The fact that there is hardly any interest in the construction of Puma Punku, reflects the sad state of humanity today. Distorted priorities, no time to look into the sky at night, ponder, ect..
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whats it matter
7/9/2016 10:23:57 am
Laughable.
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Dana Kuss
10/9/2020 12:34:13 am
There is little difference in the people you criticize for perceived folly, poor human behavior and your own. I'm a nurse, do you know my ethic? I tell people my own opinion. I don't go find a nurse I think doesn't have the best practice then write a blog and sew discord and childish fighting, I just create a space where there's more competence and better science, and people are drawn to me for it. It's because it shows restraint, wisdom, maturity and emotional intelligence (good esteem). You can't use being right to bully others. If a drunk man with a mental illness threatens to sue me, I still treat him with kindness. I apply boundaries, and I don't challenge his character disorder or confabulation, I don't add fuel to it. I find a way to distract or stop responding. I find evidenced based ways to promote him as well as shielding society and providing guidance and support. I encourage you to maybe talk out some of your behaviors towards others you disagree with, to maybe find better ways and get some feedback. It may reveal some deeper issue. The tribal behavior with the cattiness seems like a red flag to me and I see this mainstream in humans now. I see people literally using excuses like social justice and peace to act out behaviors, alternative forms of violence (passive aggression and manipulation). I wish someone would help model a better behavior for you. Best of luck.
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