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Review of America Unearthed S01E01

12/23/2012

278 Comments

 
I wasn’t sure what to expect going into America Unearthed, H2’s new program about the “hidden” history of America airing immediately after Ancient Aliens. The production values on the show are several steps above Ancient Aliens, with almost cinematic cinematography and high-end graphics; but the program relies heavily on obviously reenacted or scripted conversations in which forensic geologist Scott Wolter “investigates” ancient mysteries. Unlike Ancient Aliens, America Unearthed does not provide much by way of description or context since it lacks a narrator, making it very difficult to pinpoint at times exactly what the program is talking about and thus forcing us to simply go along with Wolter, facts be damned.

Wolter, regular readers will remember, is (in)famous for his claims that the Kensington Rune Stone is real evidence of a Viking exploration of Minnesota and that the Bat Creek Stone was a real ancient Hebrew artifact discovered in the United States. Needless to say, his claims hold very little weight, as I discussed before.

The program discusses what it calls the “Track Rock site” in Georgia, a mound site which the program claims is evidence that the Maya came to Georgia. The program asserts that the U.S. federal government prohibits access to the site. At first the show implies through lighting and mood music that this is for conspiratorial reasons, and then Wolter just explicitly says so.

Despite what America Unearthed claims, the Track Rock Gap Archaeological site is open to the public (for free, no less!), and the government offers directions to help you get there and brochures to help you find your way around the site. The only thing prohibited is archaeological excavation without following the formal application process. Since Scott Wolter is no archaeologist and has no interest in conducting real research, this must be the actual reason the “government” blocked him from trampling through the site, if that is what they did at all.

The US Forest Service has a web page (linked above) debunking the claim that the Maya built the mounds and stone walls found at what is properly called the “Track Rock Gap Archaeological Site.” The mounds were constructed by the Creek and Cherokee around 1000 CE, after the Classic Maya had collapsed.

The Creek built mounds like most southeastern tribes during the Mississippian period, so there is no need to postulate Maya influence unless you want all the mounds of the Americas to be Mayan. (Note: The Post-Classic Maya built with stone, not dirt, in the period under discussion.) There is evidence of trade with an influence from Mesoamerica on Mississippian culture, but not the direct movement of large numbers of peoples from Mexico to Georgia, as the show implies. This neatly accounts for similar iconography and the movement of materials between the two cultures. Despite the show’s claim, this is not a “taboo” subject but is widely discussed in archaeological literature. For crying out loud, it was in my college archaeology textbook more than a decade ago!The reason we know that the Maya didn’t personally relocate to Georgia at the end of their civilization is (a) they continued (and continue) to live in Mexico, and (b) no indisputably Maya artifact has ever been found in Georgia. Ocmulgee (Track Rock) was very much part of the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex, which is clearly part of a continuum of native cultures that stretched from Mexico to New York. Wolter makes a big deal out of an image of a “Feathered Dancer” found in Georgia and claims it is uniquely related to a Maya image from Chichen Itza. Wolter does not tell you that the feathered dancer is a widespread image found as far afield as the Siouan and Winnebago peoples. The specific image shown in the program, and reproduced below, was found at Etowah, not Ocmulgee.

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"Feathered Dancer" plate found at Etowah.
It uses the common stock of artistic conventions found from Mexico to Minnesota and were diffused across the Americas from at least the time of Poverty Point, the oldest mound-building culture. There is simply no need to postulate the movement of thousands of people when the movement of goods and ideas explains the similarities Wolter found between Mexico and the mound builders of America.

Wolter tries to prove a connection between the Maya and Georgia by creating “Maya blue,” an artistic pigment used in Maya art, with clay from Georgia. (The pigment is also found in other Mesoamerican cultures, like the Aztec, indicating much broader trade than Wolter allows. The Maya, in fact, specifically considered the clay from which the pigment was made a valuable item of trade, a fact known for at least 50 years.) The sample (from a deposit first reported many decades ago) chemically matched that from Chichen Itza under the analysis Wolter had done at a lab, though again details weren't provided to let us judge whether the match excluded all other sources, such as Yucatan deposits. Again, though, trade networks do not require the movement of peoples, only the movement of goods. Amber moved across Europe without people accompanying it, and this clay could very well have followed the same route. Mesoamericans are known to have visited the American southwest for turquoise, and Mississippian artifacts have been found at a Classic Maya site in the Yucatan. Robert Hall, for example, also found clear ritual and mythic diffusion from central Mexico to Mississippian cultures as far away as the Winnebago. That such connections happened is not seriously disputed, though the question of the direction and degree of influence is still debated. 

“There are a whole host of academics who refuse to believe that there were cultures that came to America prior to Columbus,” Wolter states. “And this is bullshit!”

So, congratulations, Scott Wolter: You “proved” a connection that archaeologists have been aware of for ages and you did it while bitching and moaning about how the “establishment” was “suppressing” the very information they are actively investigating and which you used in your own show!

As entertainment, America Unearthed is no Ancient Aliens. Since America Unearthed has to rely heavily on the wooden delivery of Scott Wolter instead of a wide range of pundits and focuses on just a single topic, the show is very, very slow and very repetitive. We have long, lingering shots of Wolter looking plaintively at trees and rocks. We have long, long pauses between sound bytes and repeated shots of nature. The cinematic photography can't mask the paucity of facts and information, or the barely-coherent conspiracy mindset both Wolter and the show's producers irresponsibly promote, a mindset we have previously seen leads to paranoia and violence among some in the audience who believe that television tells the truth.

 

278 Comments
paul h
12/23/2012 03:45:07 am

Will be interesting to see how the show portrays the evidences...and what it omits. What are your thoughts on the Cahokia people ? I've watched the documentary by Kevin Costner entitled "The 500 Nations..The Story of Indian Americans" which is quite good. The Mississipian Cahokia reportedly had a culture which rivaled London or Rome in size in the 1200's and built pyramidal mounds as large as Egyptian or Aztec/Mayan ones, wooden Stonehenge-type astronomical structures, traded on river routes from Canada to Mexico, etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dr_Qqja4RY
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/march/12/cahokia.htm



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Richard Thornton link
12/29/2012 07:30:43 am

You got it wrong. Behind the scenes has been a whole lot of dirty right-wing politics associated with the Track Rock site. We are not sure why Track Rock became a Republican issue, but it did.

The Track Rock terraces are theoretically open to the public, but access has been blocked by the USFS sawing down over 100 trees over the trail. Also, the USFS vistor's center refuses to tell people where it is. Last spring, after allowing the Travel Channel to film the site, the USFS refused to allow the History Channel or National Geographic Magazine to film the site or even enter the site.

They filmed me for over eight hours. About 98% was left out of the program. Unfortunately, this was the part where I described the research work being done by many Muskogean researchers into the evidence that Mesoamericans and South Americans migrated to the Southeast. It is not "one man's crusade" as some bloggers are saying. It also left out that I studied Mesoamerican Architecture and Urban Planning in Mexico, and have taught that subject at Georgia Tech. None of the archaeologists who have criticized my book have even been in Mexico. They also know diddlysquat about Creek Indian history, genetics or language.

Well, I can't complain though. I merely wrote an article to attract attention to the site from archaeologists. Georgia archaeologists made assholes out of themselves instead. The stink attracted the national media, and I got to be on a national TV show. Life is a box of chocolates.

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Eugene Bridges
2/3/2013 12:35:55 am

Hello My name is Eugene Bridges. My great grandfather Alph Bridges owned approximately 100 acres on Trackrock Gap in the mid 1800's. This land included the petroglyphs that you have made reference to. The property ran from the top of the gap, across to the base of the buzzard roost, down to the terrace walls, which he and his family built. They called the terraces the buzzard roost fields. They grew corn and produce there for many years. My great grandfather also logged all the walnut trees for cross ties. He hauled them to Gainesville, Georgia along with the produce. In 1903, Alph had a son, my grandfather, named Esker Bridges. When he grew up he was given the property and he logged all the acid wood off of it, which they used to make dye. He also hauled this wood to Gainesville, GA by horse and wagon. When my dad, Robert Bridges, was born, his dad Esker turned the property over to his first cousin "Redeye" Barnes, an old moonshiner and logger. Upon payment for the land, once he logged the locust off of it, he sold it to forest service and died owing my grandfather for the property. This is how the forest service owns the property today, even though my grandfather was never paid for the property. I hope this helps you better understand the mystery of the terraces on Track Rock.

pat
11/28/2013 05:36:08 am

Republicans? right wing? you do know that the head of the forest service is appointed by obama, and your average forest service employee is hardly some right wing activist? you seem to have some screaming paranoia going on there pal. I guess the "national media" are right wing activists also? Therapy................therapy

Eric McChesney
11/29/2013 12:17:15 am

First, regardless of politics, I would not necessarily expect the head of the national park service appointed by either party to necessarily have a firm grounding in ancient history or archaeology (unless their degree was in history) anymore than some young MBA degree holders could claim they know about what happened in Vietnam after watching those dumb Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" ads ( though some tried it with me- they disregard primary sources and firsthand eyewitnesses - their money did not equal brains on that subject).
Second, it is likely that virtually any crackpot can and has gone to park service lands armed with a video camera in order to "prove" their conspiracy theories. So long as their activity isn't illegal, it is pretty much all covered under the 1st amendment. If a forest service employee offers their tacit endorsement to such projects, that is their problem. The "America Unearthed" episode on Michigan Minoans was a case in point with non specialists in history and archaeology trying to make their case before a general audience and disregarding facts.

Mark Wolffang
12/10/2013 10:31:01 am

Right wing politics ? Wake up there is only one party in this country and is the money party . The days of left/right thinking should be transcended for people should wake up and see the man or men behind the curtain .

Dan
12/25/2014 04:37:44 am

And its YOU that has this completely sideways. The trees were dead and dying trees that would have fallen on the trails and could have harmed or killed someone, THATS why they were removed. And how you got any "right wing" politics out of this is beyond rational thought. At least to anyone except you and the tinfoil hat crowd.

After the trees were removed and the trail made safe again, the Travel Channel-National Geo and the History channel were all allowed in to do the filming they wanted, Yet again a lie posted by you. Ask them yourself if you dont believe me.

And just like you claim your detractors dont know squat about Creek Indians, also shows YOUR ignorance about the same. You do know these Creek natives are or were part of the 5 nations which included the Cherokee and the Haudenosaunee to name three, and we covered everything from Northern Florida clear up to DC and over to the mississippi river. And our DNA clearly shows we are related to the Inuit (Alaskan Natives)

maybe before you start shooting off your mouth, you might get it correct and let people think you are a damned fool, then to open your mouth and prove it.

Rick Wright
2/1/2015 08:54:04 am

I watch this show find it interesting but one thing kind of disturbs me is Scott Wolter seems to have his own little agenda when it comes to solving mysteries. I'm not saying he is totally wrong on some of his conjectures concerning different subjects he tackles but he needs to not be just one sided answers. Sometimes he really does put his foot in his mouth and kind of looks like he makes up things as he goes.... am i wrong or right you tell me ?

VANETTE L STARR link
2/18/2016 08:03:40 pm

I certainly agree with so much you have shared here and appreciate the for certain knowledge you shared and would like to study more of what you were able to find there? Can you share where I can find your work?

Bud Jamison
1/25/2013 08:22:29 pm

The show is just plain garbage (both episode 1 AND 2)!

One 'expert' couldn't even pronounce Celt correctly (Kelt, rather than Selt!).

But it is in keeping with so many shows recently, on channels that USED TO BE factual, but are now in it JUST for the money.

<sigh>

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Tim Epstein link
2/5/2013 07:37:10 am

The earth, definitely, is a time capsule of some sort, 4.5 billion years old, but the clue to peeling apart this mystery of life on Earth is contained in all the rocks, at or below our feet!

Renee
2/16/2013 08:00:25 am

"Der Kelte" or "die Kelten" as you described originates from the German language and is phonetically spoken as such in those regions. I understand that in proper English it should be pronounced with an "S" as you stated, however some just can't shake off their heritage and pronounce it instead with a "hard k", unlike you.

Vivian Caudell
8/6/2013 06:29:28 pm

Regarding the pronouncement of "Celt"... check you dictionary.
Both pronunciations are acceptable

Kevbo
11/3/2013 10:16:33 am

to Renee
I think that Bud was saying the opposite. The scholarly pronunciation is Kelt, the sports pronunciation Selt. To me, the pronunciation doesn't matter so much, but it often does point to one's educational background.

John McGrath
2/16/2014 11:02:56 pm

Have to mildly chuckle at the Selt comment. The pronunciation Kelt for Celt is actually an erroneous analogy. Yes in the Irish language C always represents K. But the word Celt is not an Irish word. It is a Greek word that was later taken into Latin (although the Romans themselves called the "Celts" Gauls) and adopted in the 1800s by English speaking nationalists to unite minority communities in the British isles. The Irish call themselves Gaelige not Selts or Kelts. Greek and Latin words coming into English sometimes via French pronounce C (the Greek letter kappa originally) as S before E and I. and ae-- that's why it is Seesar for Caesar even though he pronounced it something like Kaisar. The Boston Celtics have it right. The people who pronounce an English word with a c before an e like a k have it wrong and it is not an Irish word. But I guess you can sound elitist by pronouncing it that way.

Rick W.
2/1/2015 08:59:23 am

I totally agree with you,whenever Scott films it seems like it is totally staged coreographed so much it doesnt seem believable.... seems like everything he says and does fits in exactly on cue and to me this isn't natural one bit. Give me a real show with unexpected events anyday over fakery !

VANETTE L STARR link
2/18/2016 08:09:29 pm

I am sorry you feel so negative about the programs you are watching. Maybe you should find something else to watch...like go to National Geographic or Smithsonian channels??? Maybe they will be more factual for you, my dear sir. Beyond that, add something of value, next time? I
m sharing about as much as you did?

Glenn young
3/9/2016 09:40:13 pm

I always watch your show and I like it very much but it seems like nothing gets done always seems like you are chasing dead ends find something tangeble please or your show is going to get cut lots of people are already putting you on the back burner good luck

Kessa Wright
10/18/2016 02:44:06 am

It can be pronounced both ways.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/92948/pronunciation-of-celt-k%C9%9Blt-vs-s%C9%9Blt

Jeffrey A. Friedberg link
2/2/2013 02:32:16 am

I've been a professional investigator for 40 years and I can tell you this show is garbage and this guy is full of crap. Especially silly is his backpack which he wears for walking from his vehicle the half block to his "dig," on a farm; his "bush shirt" shirt bears no sign of wear or wrinkle and was clearly just washed using fabric softener. In the recent episode with the "Viking sword," ANYBODY could have seen it was not really old enough and in fact looked like a 19th century military sword used by artillery gunners. This show is not worth watching and just melts the brain, as does ANCIENT ALIENS, which is even sillier. Here's the formula: show interesting real pictures and sites and narrate rationally for 15-20 minutes, then "suppose" something, and then spin off from the supposition as fact, and then rant to confuse and enthrall the low-info audience. Best wishes...I'd rather watch DEXTER re-runs.

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Nick
2/10/2013 03:18:57 pm

You sir are an ass hat. You claim to have been an "investigator" for 40 years but you give no evidence to prove your claim. Here I will be as smart as you. I have been the King of Macedonia for 57.68 years and these shows are interesting because they make you THINK about the what if instead of being a typical douchnozzle scientist and saying "that can't be true because no one has found it yet (insert stuffy, condescending laugh here). Guess what, people once said the earth is round and were treated the same way. Who was right about that again?

Kevin
3/24/2013 06:01:54 pm

Jeffrey,

One should always be wary of people who throw their credentials around! Of course you know this, you are an investigator! We have no idea who you are. Your first two sentences are personal attacks, which completely discredits your legitimacy and professionalism. Are you sure he only hiked a block or two, and what would you use to carry your gear in when on an expedition/hike--do you hike?

Terry Wagner link
5/18/2013 06:09:10 am

I wasted two hours watching this show he doesn't offer any other professional to dispute his claims and he seems obsessed with linking everything to the Holy Grail. I saw the Arizona artifacts show and I am still laughing about the one that someone drew a dinosaur on, he claims it was meant to be a desert lizard but this thing was Barney all the way. History really is reaching here, I won't waste anymore time on it.

Dick Balsak
12/14/2013 05:11:39 pm

Nick, you poor soul.... I hardly even know where to begin. First, the man's credentials have nothing to do with anything here since what he says is self evident. Second, "Thinking,'What if?'" is an exercise in FANTASY! And has NO place in scientific discourse, no matter how 'interesting' it seems to the uneducated. Third, the whole 'Earth is flat' tripe is a myth that has been perpetuated by those same uneducatable neanderthals for centuries to make the Columbus story 'interesting', as you put it. When I watch this show I find myself disgusted by this man and can not believe that he thinks people are gullible enough not to see through his veneer of crap... then I come online and I'm actually appalled to find that there are actually fools who defend this charlatan! Quacks have made a living for millennia because there is no dearth of morons who'll believe anything- as long as it's not the truth!

David
12/30/2013 03:13:01 pm

Then turn the channel and watch Dexter re-runs.

Haters gonna hate! hahahaha

jim link
1/12/2014 02:03:18 am

Jeff, unlike Dexter who gets the bad guy that is the real bad guy. you execute the messengers.
It is the network, researchers, producers, director and in the end the sponsors that should be on the table in shrink wrap.

jim l. eagle link
1/12/2014 02:04:16 am

Jeff, unlike Dexter who gets the bad guy that is the real bad guy. you execute the messengers.
It is the network, researchers, producers, director and in the end the sponsors that should be on the table in shrink wrap.

jim l. eagle link
1/12/2014 02:04:48 am

Jeff, unlike Dexter who gets the bad guy that is the real bad guy. you execute the messengers.
It is the network, researchers, producers, director and in the end the sponsors that should be on the table in shrink wrap.

jim l. eagle link
1/12/2014 02:05:45 am

Jeff, unlike Dexter who gets the bad guy that is the real bad guy. you execute the messengers.
It is the network, researchers, producers, director and in the end the sponsors that should be on the table in shrink wrap.

CJ
8/22/2013 02:56:39 pm

This entire blog, which is dismantled further down the comment section, clearly is motivated more by hate than actual facts. This guy is just jealous of what Scott is doing and wishes he was him on some level. One of his comments he even mentions hate of the "right wing". All of this, written by a guy who built his ego-centric website here, which states he writes about evidence of ancient alien civilizations, is bizarre. He also states he has published multiple times but they are mostly self-published loony books which nobody has ever read. What a sad little man this guy is.

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Michael D. Harris
7/19/2014 01:14:59 am

Fact is I have Mayan DNA in me so I 100% sure the Cherokee and perhaps some other tribes descended from Mayans who came here by sea from Central America. As my great, great, great grandfather was a Cherokee Chief, DNA says I have cousins in Central America.

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Normandie Kent
2/10/2021 02:15:03 pm

It’s not Rocket Science to know that ALL modern Native Americans from Alaska to Tierra Del Fuego descend from the SAME small founding group of ancestral Native Americans! Of course the Cherokee are going to be related to the Mayans, and any other pure blood group that has been genome sequenced, and since most North American tribes in the US haven’t been sequenced, especially the Cherokee who among the tribes who are highly admixed with European and African DNA, of course they are going to be related to the closest tribe that has been genome sequenced . What small Native American you do have is not actually Mayan But closely related, like all other Native American tribes in the States, that are not Inuit or Athabaskan.

kevin.b link
8/4/2014 11:22:50 pm

Think 90per cent was Shiite . And so are 90 per cent of comments it's all just opinions . One man's truth is another's lie and is continuously perpetrated by idiots . I'm not a so called historian but I know a few and if u get them together they can't agree on Shiite . Make your own mind s up . Anybody who can stand their and say this is the 100% real truth please come n see me coz my priest is still tryin to convince me God is real and he's 100% certain he exits he is also a drunken twat. It's up to each person to decide what they believe. Oh n my personal opinion is Americans are so desperate to have history they steel others . I mean most of ya still think ur Irish or Italians or African. fuck me even ur president thinks he's Irish I hope u do wat every other culture has done through the centuries n kill each other. I will apologise to all who do class them selves as Americans and that's the natives that shud own the land as for the rest fuck off

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vee link
2/18/2016 10:38:47 pm

Thank you, all, who tried or attempted to try to debunk the debunk'er, Calivito. This guy is like gum you get on your shoe and cant get rid of, because you read his "crap", and now you can not unread it!!! I really have a hard time with anyone, who clearly has an agenda of tearing down others, for the sake of building themselves up for their own self gain! Feeding the ego only gets you more ego, friend, and eventually you end up being the joke in the room.. we all know that guy we went to high school with who no one will have a conversation with, at the class reunions, because he was so nasty to everyone most of their life? His own ego is being fed, yet at what expense??? and really at such little gain???....Did you know that feeding human ego, is like the feeding mold that grows in the dark and under decaying dead leaves, hay, natural and unnatural debris or garbage, etc....and the end product lacks any real "brilliance of sunlight knowledgeable", lacks any horticultural skill to bring it to fruition? So, is it truly valuable other than to eat up other dead and dying matter? Most of the level of conversation, here,(not all because I can see some very bright contenders weighing in, but the blog has so little real value...(really, I mean right wingers versus lefties? come on?) This mans input, reminds me of a situation where a person aspires to become a chef, but has no real talent, himself...so he barely makes it out of college with a C-, is a bad cook, lacking imagination or even ability to put a decent plate of food together, one who went to the top chef college, yet couldn't find real work, and then becomes a food critic, and a bad one at that...one who has to pay for his own work to be seen! It reminds me of the political races right now...the really sad sacks who stand on the stage with nothing to offer this country other than lots of ego, racist remarks, attracting gender haters, has no real knowledge of what is going on in the rest of the world, not to mention the fact that he is so tactless, we will surely end up in a war over this persons inability to play well with others...etc...and they actually have the nerve to believe that they have the right to run a country? WOW! Thats what this guy reminds me of? This is the New America, after all, and add to the New America ideals, the Reality TV shows and they people who watch this garbage, then think about the people who spend their time actually reviewing the garbage? I guess life is like a box of chocolates! If I find a man or women who is using name calling to bring attention to their work, if you are dramatic and controversial, as well as trivial, you get to find your place, in the New America, I guess? It helps to have a little money to pave your road, but a certain amount of charisma will get you even furtherI mean, look at Mr Hitler...what a charismatic guy he was and all that he was able to accomplish and no one was sharp enough in his country to call him out? Not that you are anything like Hitler, Mr Calivito. He was sharp enough to leave out the abuse and or hide it, until the very end? There is definitely a level of freedom of speech i believe in, but I wonder if we really need to listen or read this kind of hate? Like I said, we can not unread it? Shouldn't we all be pulling ourselves up and out of the fungus and cow dung and become better human beings, looking for desirables to stand by? We need people who are doers, like Scott, people who take risks and are willing to be wrong, people who will at least speak of matters, as if they are educated enough, and seem to know what they are talking about? The very first persons response states exactly why the site was shut down and is now unavailable to professionals? That tells me he knew what he was talking about, because he is educated and because he did a spot along with the professionals in pretty famous magazines and or channels! That says a lot! AS someone above stated, just because you say you have # of years as a what ever specialist...fill in the blanks..doesn't mean you are the expert, and then they come along and pepper it up, with a few choice words , so as to call the person in their line of sight, a few bad names, etc...yes, I agree this guy who leads the show, does have an agenda and I agree he is being told what to do by the directors, the executives, etc...welcome to how theories are proven. It starts with ideas, then its followed up with research for and against, and finally a conclusion...he seems to have all these, but is polite enough to the people who have nothing to offer his program, and just want to be on TV, a bit of time...when he would be better served to avoid this kind of data...since there was no data and it was a complete waste of time! Yes, the guy who had the Barney carving, "the dinosaur", or what ever he said it was, wasn't even worth the edit, but even i could see this particular gentleman was playing him, to get attention and Scott went along to get to the

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VEE link
2/18/2016 10:45:10 pm

i WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN YOUR VIDEO FOUND ON YOUTUBE ON THE "Mississipian Cahokia" AND THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE SO CIVILIZED THEY RIVALED ROME IN SIZE, TRADE AND SOCIAL CIVILIZATION, BUT IT DISPEARED? WHY? DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHY? I HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN SO MANY TIMES, USUALLY BECAUSE SOMETHING SHOULD NOT BE OUT THERE FOR THE COMMON PERSON TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN, THAT IT DISAPPEARS AS FAST AS IT ARRIVED ON YOUTUBE? WHY WOULD IT DISAPPEAR? WHERE IS POSTED AT NOW? NOTIFY ME IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING? VEE

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Richard
12/23/2012 12:37:44 pm

After watching this show with the family during our holiday vacation I had to inquire further. Before the first commercial break I was already sick of the over-produced feel with "conspiracy-camera angles" lol. More time was spent on creating drama instead of providing concrete facts and you summed it up brilliantly. Thanks for the write-up and debunk!

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Gary link
12/26/2012 06:12:42 pm

Just a few corrections.

1)The Track Rock PETROGLYPH site is open to the public. That is completely separate from the Track Rock archaeological site on the side of the mountain above the petroglyph boulders. History Channel was denied a commercial filming permit to visit the archaeological site not the petroglyphs. (This was done because some Native American tribes objected to filming the site for television after previous permits had already been issued.) Although technically the trails on this mountainside remain open, they discourage visitation and have actively felled trees across some trails to prevent access to the ruins.

2) The structures could not have been constructed by Cherokee in 1000 AD because all research shows the Cherokee did not enter the area until the 1700s. If the Cherokee contributed to this site at all it would have occurred after this date. It's located in known Creek Indian territory thus it is likely 100% Creek. But the argument is that the Creeks were made of multiple ethnic groups some from Mexico including Mayan refugees. There is a growing body of linguistic evidence that supports this contention. Visit my site http://www.MayaInAmerica.com for more details.

3) There were many groups of "post classic Maya." Not all built with stone as you suggest. Some of the smaller villages absolutely built with earth. Furthermore, the site in question is not a mound site. It is a terrace farming site on the side of a mountain. There are many similar terrace farming sites in the Maya areas of Mexico, Guatemala and Belize that look remarkably similar to Track Rock. That doesn't mean Track Rock is Mayan. But there is no historical evidence at all that Cherokees or Creeks practiced terrace farming. All evidence shows they farmed along river valleys. So regardless of who built this site, it is quite unique in the area and deserves more archaeological work.

4) I am the interviewee who said it was a taboo subject. Because it is. Yes, it has been discussed for 150 years in the archaeological literature as I clearly state in my interview. That doesn't mean it's a mainstream topic. In fact, an eminent archaeologist in this area referred to it as a "fringe" topic in a journal article as recently as 2008: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25470477

5) Ocmugee is properly spelled Ocmulgee.

6) Clearly all the Maya didn't relocate to Georgia. None of the researchers involved in this episode ever said so. But there does appear to have been Mayan refugees in the southeast...and even trading outposts. Although I didn't discuss this in the tv show, it seems clear to me there was both a religious and trade component to the interactions much like how the Arabs spread Islam into southeast Asia. Did Arabs relocate en masse to Indonesia? No. Did some Arabs end up there in order to oversee their trade network and convert the locals to Islam. Yep, sure did.

7) It's not Wolter who connects the Eagle Dancer image to the Chichen Itza panel. It is the preeminent archaeologist Alfonso Morales who made that connection. Do you know who he is???? He's not some fringe archaeologist. He's one of the foremost archaeologists in Mexico who oversees both Chichen Itza and Palenque. And as he clearly pointed out, the similarities were not limited to the fact that both locations had an eagle dancer, as you suggest. He clearly pointed out the stylistic similarities between these two specific representations including the fact both were holding a war weapon and a severed head and had an identical style feather cape. Do you think someone of Dr. Morales standing would associate himself with a show like this and risk his professional reputation if he didn't see a connection?

8) I'm patiently awaiting the results of the Maya blue test as well to see what sort of match and where from. It wasn't clear if the match was from chichen itza or some other maya site.

9) "Mississippian artifacts have been found at a Classic Maya site in the Yucatan" This is actually news to me. Do you remember the source of this info? I know mississippian artifacts were found at a Mayan site in northeast Mexico just south of the U.S. border but I know of none from Yucatan. So that would be information I'd be very interested in seeing.

10) "That such connections happened is not seriously disputed, though the question of the direction and degree of influence is still debated." Clearly you aren't very aware of what's going on in Southeastern Archaeology. The official dogma is that there was no contact of any sort and all the similarities are coincidence and the southeastern tribes developed completely independently from Mesoamerica without any borrowing of ideas, etc. You don't seem to agree with this and neither do I but that is what's being taught at southern universities.

Well, that's my two cents for whatever it's worth. :)





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Jason Colavito link
12/27/2012 12:36:47 am

I appreciate your comments, and I will obviously fix the spelling errors.

1. Thank you for the correction about Track Rock site. But, as you note, the trails are technically open to the public and Wolter's crew was denied access for reasons other than the implied academic-government conspiracy.

2. You're very correct about the place being a Creek site; I'm almost certain I meant to write Creek and somehow got it mixed up. I am going to fix this, too.

3. The specific claim Wolter's show made was that the place was a pyramid built by the Maya, and I wasn't aware of any Maya who built pyramids of earth at that date. Obviously, they built smaller structures of dirt (and still do).

4, 10. I guess it depends on how you think of dogma. Yes, there are still many archaeologists who refuse to consider the possibility of contact between regions at any level; but at the same time, we don't have an official academy that defines history. I note that the article you cite about this being a "fringe" topic also states that archaeologists are in wide agreement that such contact did happen!

6. As you noted, I'm not opposed to the idea that the Maya had a trade relationship with the southeast, or that Mesoamericans came on occasion. I don't think, though, that Wolter provided the evidence needed to establish his claim that Ocmulgee was a Maya settlement; this is a criticism of America Unearthed as a TV show, not necessarily the facts on the ground.

7. I never doubted that the eagle dancer has a relationship to Mesoamerica; however, as I said, the figure isn't unique to Georgia and can be found all across the United States. These have long been recognized as related to Mesoamerica (since at least 1930, as far as I know) but don't imply a direct movement of people since they are so widespread. Morales isn't risking a reputation in stating the obvious.

9. Lewis C. Messenger writes on his website for the North American Archaeology course he teaches at the U. of Indiana that "A Middle Mississippian figurine head was found in the cenote at the Classic Maya site of Dzibilchaltún in Yucatán." This is literally all I know about this, but it *is* taught at a university!

One issue that I encounter repeatedly with these TV programs, and which I should do a better job of making clear, is that I do not have the resources to determine the actual facts on the ground. I can only evaluate whether the TV program in question made a good enough case to support its claim. In this case, I felt (and still feel) that Wolter did not make a strong enough case that the Maya were physically present in Georgia and were repsonsible for the site in question. Whether the Maya actually visited Georgia is a separate question from whether Wolter can prove it, and it is a question I simply can't evaluate.

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Gary link
12/27/2012 09:01:26 am

Your points are well taken. I'll only quibble over a couple of them ;)

7. I think we may be talking past one another abit here. I'll try again to be clearer. Yes, the bird man is widespread. But this specific depiction of the bird man is not. For instance, I've seen many many different versions of the feather cloak worn by the bird man but the Georgia version is unique from all of these in its details. The Chichen Itza version is identical in these details to the Georgia version. I think this is important. Likewise with the severed head. Most bird man images I've seen do not have this detail. Only the Georgia version and the Chichen Itza version appear to have this detail. Again, I think that's an important point. And it is Dr. Morales who points out these specific details, not Scott. He's not playing it safe and making some general comment on the widespread nature of bird men icons. He's making a specific and detailed comparison between the Chichen Itza bird man and the Georgia bird man.

Personally, I believe these bird men were the religious priests or war chiefs who accompanied the Mayan traders up the rivers into the southeastern u.s. Many tribes in the southeast have legends that foreign priests lived atop the mounds who spoke an unknown language. They also tell how eventually they were so abused by these priests that their own warriors attacked and massacred these foreigners. So these legends suggest that many of these mound sites were foreign trading and religious outposts.

And as far as the "taboo" subject goes I can only attest to my own personal experience. When I created my documentary entitled "Lost Worlds: Georgia" I made a very brief mention of Mexico when discussing the Mississippian cultures. I stated in the documentary, "These mounds represent the arrival of a new people in Georgia, possibly from Mexico." For that one, brief mention of Mexico I was slammed and ripped apart by certain academics. I was told there was no evidence of contact and no legitimate archaeologist ever believed there was any contact and that all the tribes had been living in georgia for 10,000 years and a clear in situ developmental sequence was known by all serious archaeologists in the southeast. That is my experience with academia on this subject. And all of this has been within the past 6 years. So there is a very adamant belief within academics in the southeastern u.s. that there is no mexican contact and the subject isn't even worthy of further study. It's a "case closed" as far as they're concerned. Perhaps attitudes are different elsewhere.

dawooddmon
2/2/2013 03:26:34 pm

I think u have a serious grudge against Wolter.
Your assertions were riddled with inconsistancy and a lack of facts, so who do 8 believe? Wolter has more cred than u on his info. He put it out there and your the armchair quarterback, safely blogging from your media device character assassination.
Get ur own show and show the folks the way YOU know the world.
You are as inconsistant as u claim Wolter is Colavito.
Mark that, homie!

Kevin
3/15/2013 02:23:07 pm

One Correction - If you are referring to Bloomington Indiana - it is IU - Indiana University... Just a Midwestern ( U of I - University of Illinois Graduate!)

Dekanogi Ulogilv
3/2/2014 07:15:52 am

Siyo, dtohitsu, Dekanogi Ulogilv daquado AniSahoni, why, do not ALL, of you ask the OBVIOUS ONES? Those who actually HAVE the answers to these questions, the HISTORY KEEPERS of Americas.
Native American Women have been TRAINED as "History Keepers" since time began, who BETTER to ask?

Nick
2/10/2013 03:25:32 pm

Burnnnn!!!!!

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Nick
2/10/2013 03:28:47 pm

Burn!!!!

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Joe smith
3/8/2013 06:49:05 pm

This show is full of shit. His theories are similar to. If the sun rises in the east then the world is flat.

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jo
3/17/2013 08:16:59 am

Very nice....I also read about refugees from the Mayan empire. Makes absolute total sense. But the show is akin to Finding Bigfoot. Believe me...if Scott or Moneymaker or Bobo found something, you would have heard it on the news way before the show airs. Because we hear nothing, every single show, although entertaining, has nothing to offer.

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D. Earles
1/11/2014 06:05:37 am

Comparing Wolter to Bobo, hilarious. Thanks for the chuckles!

Rick W.
2/1/2015 09:03:15 am

Big foot is a total fake. Up in the pacific northwest where i live we also have great tales about huge hairy creatures roaming the land . Havent seen one yet and most likely ever will..... to me untill either capture a creature or film one alive I will still believe this bigfoot is more or less a myth......

U3
12/28/2013 03:10:08 pm

Years ago I [unfortunalely] purchased the "Ancient American" magazines Wolter used to coproduce/peddle, both Wolter, his Ancient American magazines, as well as his H2 "America Unearthed" series are as phony as a $3.00 bill, crooked as a dog's hind leg and as worthless as the paper they're written on.

To sum it/Wolter all up, Wolter fully knows he's bsing everyone. As long as there's a sucker born every day, Wolter & co. will be right there to sell them Brooklyn bridges, toy phasers, exclusive winning lottery tickets and fire water on request. At best, on his good days, Wolter is a carney/fraud artist, scammer and wolf in sheeps clothing [sorry sheep, no harm meant].

If thee's money to be made, Wolter won't be far bahind, no matter the validity, facts or truth involved in such scams and frauds.



Sincerely

Mrs. Wolter

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jon van nortwick link
12/28/2012 02:27:49 pm

i just love shows like this. even , i just have high school. but have watched stuff like this for as long as i can remember. im 65 years old. and, i have always believed our history hasnt been told in truth. so i hope this show can help set things right. is there anyway to get news letters and up dates. thank you jon van nortwick 820w. laurel st. sherman texas. 75092

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Coridan Miller
12/28/2012 03:19:57 pm

If you really want more pre-Columbian history pick up 1491 by Charles Mann instrad of watching this drivel.

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Doug
1/14/2013 11:02:59 pm

What an amazing book.

caleb
1/19/2013 04:15:15 pm

It seem to me every time someone says facts that make the "educated" class upset they get very personal with there response this is not the first time I have seen you cry over scott maybe you should ignore him it is worse than responding if you dont like what he's selling.by the way the average person can tell if something historically is false.I like the show and can tell he stretches for things but I wouldn't become paranoid and act violently if no one believed what I told them scott wolter told me. I still think you dislike him on a personal level sorry it is very apparent

Brian
12/28/2012 06:11:29 pm

This show is horrible. I watched two episodes (Arizona Runes / Maya in Georgia). It is all speculation molded into an attempt at factual portrayal. I teach history. Too many students watch these types of shows and think it is all fact and true, including the conspiracies that don't even exist. This show is a major step backwards for history education. I would love to cross examine Scott Wolter. He would fall part if questioned thoroughly about his "evidence." Shows like this contribute to the dumbing down of America.

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jd
12/28/2012 08:01:43 pm

I just love how "academics" get their knickers in a twist over these shows. They're all drivel because the info isn't presented as dry, boring statistics and analyses vetted by committees of dry, boring proffessors. I can't tell you how many of these programs have sparked an interest in science in my grandson who hates school. If they inspire him to find out more onhis own,they've done a good thing in my opinion. And who is to say that because the theories are presented as "infotainment" they're totally wrong? I didn't hear anything about massive numbers of Mayans migrating to Georgia or anywhere else, just thst SOME probably came to the SE US. I won't say that I've bought into everything that Wolter has suggested, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And I can say from personal experience that yes, there are places where feds will deny access to the strangest places. Just take a drive up into the mountains around Carrizozo, NM. Don't be shocked at the "Deadly Force Authorized" signs!

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Brian
12/29/2012 01:18:42 pm

I teach 8th grade American history. I am not a boring professor type. My students are definitely not bored in my history classes, for I make it interesting and exciting, including using mysteries in history all of the time. I have no problem at all for the History Channel and others doing these types of topics. I would encourage lesser-known mysteries and topics, and I completely encourage my students to doubt, question, and weigh evidence with an open mind.
The problem with this show (and others like it) produced by corporate America is that they are not based on the scientific method and sound research along with presenting the facts and issues of these topics thoroughly and in-depth, and objectively. These types of shows have the main goal of making money by inventing controversy where none exists combined with ignoring facts that would ruin their phony premises.
If you really want to compare these types of shows with effective ones, watch this documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMs9Kd88lIA

produced by a British film company about a related topic of possible ancient cultures in Miami. I use this film with my students every year. Corporate America needs to model their history shows like the Miami Circles mystery, and yes, my students do not find this show boring because the facts themselves are interesting without any need to hype them like a CSI show.

Christopher Randolph
1/5/2013 02:44:45 am

Strawman argument, jd!

No one claimed that the shows were bad because they were boring; in fact just the opposite. Colavito correctly points out in fact that the shows ARE boring because maybe 30 min worth of material is stretched through repetition to fill 60 min worth of programing. The delivery is in fact quite dry.

Our problem here is that the shows are providing inaccurate information. While it's great to get things interested in things, we do a lot more harm filling their heads with nonsense than we do keeping them blank slates. It's pretty hard to get incorrect material out of someone's head when it's drilled in at a young age.

Christopher Randolph
1/5/2013 03:27:31 am

What I meant to post was that no one was claiming that the shows were bad because they WEREN'T boring.

That's the funny thing here; it's also bad TV. We're told the same things 12 times with a lot of time-wasting shots that do nothing to advance the narrative.

sorthious
1/16/2013 01:27:32 pm

Making learning "Entertaining" is always a good idea. It helps people remember things. But, entertaining people with lies and conspiracies without foundation is doing them a disservice. It does nothing but make people stupid.

There are proper ways to go about finding the truth, and "no evidence" is not it.

If you want your grandson to not be respected by his peers and not taken seriously when he investigates things then, by all means,

ray
12/29/2012 06:42:54 am

""Shows like this contribute to the dumbing down of America.""

Thank you for stating it accurately and clearly.

I see and hear at of Jesse the Body in this show.

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Scott Wolter
1/1/2013 03:23:58 pm

Fire away with your questions Brian; I'll try not to fold under the pressure.

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Chris Randolph link
1/4/2013 03:01:27 pm

Is this the real Wolter and how can we know that? That's Q #1.

I find your (if you are him) show and Ancient Aliens to be massively racist. You string together a huge amount of speculation and partial and non-facts in order to "prove" that absolutely anyone other than the native peoples of this continent could possibly be responsible for architecture and economic activity where they lived for thousands of years.

Prove to us that you are Wolter and I'll have many more specific questions for you.

U3
12/28/2013 03:41:07 pm



Scott, want to buy some [real, real, real cheap] Ancient American magazines [I think Polly is now done with them]? If so, I've also got some authentic ancient, pre Colombian Burroughs Cave artifacts, an ever so slightly/gently used Brooklyn bridge, and a truck load of 1775 fire water.

By the way, love your magazines, tv series and pre Colombian history, fact finding tours on H2 & History Channel. Remember, there's one born every day, & Sat. night is now your lucky day.



Sincerely

P.T. Barnum
[E PLURIBUS UNUM]


Pierre
1/14/2013 03:19:17 pm

I've never seen such garbage on TV. It's Scott driving, Scott on the phone, Scott in his hotel room, and a bunch of what if, could it be and perhaps.
But it's entertainment...so are the Simpsons.

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Sorthious
1/16/2013 01:31:39 pm

Yeah Pierre, but it's on "The History Channel" and not Fox. Presenting this show and others like it on this channel is horrible.

U3
12/28/2013 03:49:29 pm



Ha ha ha, so true, & those pesky black helicopters and government conspiracies never seem to leave poor old honest Abe Scott alone.



Scott Jr. :>O

U3
12/28/2013 03:50:19 pm



Ha ha ha, so true, & those pesky black helicopters and government conspiracies never seem to leave poor old honest Abe Scott alone.



Scott Jr. :>O

U3
12/28/2013 03:50:34 pm



Ha ha ha, so true, & those pesky black helicopters and government conspiracies never seem to leave poor old honest Abe Scott alone.



Scott Jr. :>O

U3
12/28/2013 03:50:39 pm



Ha ha ha, so true, & those pesky black helicopters and government conspiracies never seem to leave poor old honest Abe Scott alone.



Scott Jr. :>O

dawoodmon
2/2/2013 03:44:01 pm

U did nothing except state that u dont have an open mind.
Do u think people are stupid?
In a world loaded with more b.s. coming from the all knowing academia, people are left to figure out what they find in the "truth" for themselves.
Sounds like u dont like Wolter and thats fine.
I am sure your tenure protects you and your opinion, which is like an asshole. We all have on and they all stink!
Think I'm stupid? That's your opinion, we all know it probably smells.

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Pierrewhy
2/18/2013 11:21:14 am

Easy on Scott asshole there dawoodmom. Smell something else for a change. Read something else than the phone book for a change.

dawoodmon
2/2/2013 03:44:21 pm

U did nothing except state that u dont have an open mind.
Do u think people are stupid?
In a world loaded with more b.s. coming from the all knowing academia, people are left to figure out what they find in the "truth" for themselves.
Sounds like u dont like Wolter and thats fine.
I am sure your tenure protects you and your opinion, which is like an asshole. We all have on and they all stink!
Think I'm stupid? That's your opinion, we all know it probably smells.

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Jafafa Hots
2/23/2013 05:34:09 am

I think the word you're looking for is "you."

Christopher
3/4/2013 07:03:48 am

Brian
You said it yourself, you are a history teacher. I have never meet a teacher who got it right yet. You teach out of your government propaganda handbooks, that you call a history book. It is a sad fact but American education is just about bottom of the barrel. Well that's my two cent's. Enjoy your government job. P.S. tell your union friends I said go back to Russia!

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Elizabeth
12/29/2012 07:33:56 am

I just have to say whether you like the guy or not, he definitely gets people asking questions. I had never heard of the Mayan Georgia connection before watching this show, and found it fascinating. I am far from an expert, but if the Mayans were as advanced as everyone says they were why is it so hard to believe that they did not travel all over North America. I think the problem with the academic community is that they are so set in their ways they do not bother to dig deeper and look at things with an open mind. Is the show based in fact...I don't know for sure but at least it challenges people to ask questions and explore other alternitives.

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Brian
12/29/2012 01:17:41 pm

I teach 8th grade American history. I am not a boring professor type. My students are definitely not bored in my history classes, for I make it interesting and exciting, including using mysteries in history all of the time. I have no problem at all for the History Channel and others doing these types of topics. I would encourage lesser-known mysteries and topics, and I completely encourage my students to doubt, question, and weigh evidence with an open mind.
The problem with this show (and others like it) produced by corporate America is that they are not based on the scientific method and sound research along with presenting the facts and issues of these topics thoroughly and in-depth, and objectively. These types of shows have the main goal of making money by inventing controversy where none exists combined with ignoring facts that would ruin their phony premises.
If you really want to compare these types of shows with effective ones, watch this documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMs9Kd88lIA

produced by a British film company about a related topic of possible ancient cultures in Miami. I use this film with my students every year. Corporate America needs to model their history shows like the Miami Circles mystery, and yes, my students do not find this show boring because the facts themselves are interesting without any need to hype them like a CSI show.

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sorthious
1/16/2013 01:37:03 pm

It's not hard to believe that they "Could have", but that doesn't mean they did. Academics are "set in their ways" for good reason. A doctor doesnt just assume what is wrong with you and start operating. They do tests and observe before doing anything like that.

Fine to have an open mind and ask questions, but it's irresposible to present it as true, probably true, or highly likely with no evidence to support the idea.

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Kat
2/18/2013 09:14:33 am

Right on Elizabeth! I've been watching the episodes with a grain of sand - after all, they've produced Ancient Aliens, BUT the show makes you aware of archeological questions that exist.

A questioning mind just might discover the truth!

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lillian solis
5/2/2013 10:22:37 am

Bravo Kat ! my feelings exactly ! I'm an Disaster show "freak" I just love them n surely are not boring n whether factual or not they are fascinating ! I enjoy them n they also encourages us to think "what if" !

Justin
12/29/2012 04:12:06 pm

History is not totally accurate like the books that were taught in high school. And everyday history is being rewritten because of new discoveries. To many full glasses in the field. We are learning civilizations were built earlier than ever. Traveling across the sea as well ... to stop asking questions is to stop making progress.

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heath
1/1/2013 03:26:57 am

Professional archaeologists always come across bits and pieces that doen't quite fit the narrative of the rest of the evidence. They would love to be able to resolve all these quirks except they don't want to waste precious resources on what could be dead end, sidetracking them from the main story.
These programs is about 50 years too late as everybody has accepted Revisionist History as a critique. The History Channel tends to take one piece thats different and uses it to discredit everything else, even though that might be accepted narrative.

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Bud
2/1/2013 04:31:01 pm

History IS what's true, and what Wolter is pushing IS NOT true, not even CLOSE to the truth.

If you enjoy stupid conspiracies, then watch them, but DON'T try to tell intelligent people that the crap you watch is real.

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William Whitebird
12/8/2014 01:54:58 pm

If you watch, he investigates local legions and most of the time disproves them.

Bud
2/1/2013 04:31:16 pm

History IS what's true, and what Wolter is pushing IS NOT true, not even CLOSE to the truth.

If you enjoy stupid conspiracies, then watch them, but DON'T try to tell intelligent people that the crap you watch is real.

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William Whitebird
12/8/2014 01:53:42 pm

Correct! The show explore local legions and most of the time they are shown to be untrue. I find it interesting because history is written by the victors not the defeated.

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Wade Baker
1/1/2013 01:39:48 am

Just the fact that the show enables more people to learn of these things is good news.
Everybody should be in favor of that.

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Sorthious
1/16/2013 01:40:18 pm

So learning things that haven't been proven is a good thing? Then, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you!

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SmartyPants
2/9/2013 09:24:27 am

So ignoring things that are possible but not proven yet is a good thing.

Scott
1/1/2013 05:08:09 am

Jason, Paul and Richard. Thanks for your frank and open discourse on this topic, it was far more entertaining and informative than the original show.

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mark clayton
12/7/2013 11:48:20 pm

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Alan Watts
12/10/2013 10:46:08 am

Mark are you trying to set up some tryst with Scott Walter ?

Oscar
1/1/2013 08:46:58 am

I agree with Wade, Im no history buff or student of these things. But I found the show entertaining and learned about new things I did not know existed. The show got me to look into the subjects further and is why I found this blog and learning there are two sides of the story. If the show makes you want to know and learn more no harm I think.

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Christopher Randolph
1/4/2013 03:36:07 pm

But there AREN'T two sides to the story; there's an objectively true narrative which real scientists work through to figure out and there's a group of people who lie to get TV money thrown at them.

In fact there really aren't two sides to most stories - generally someone is objectively correct and someone is objectively incorrect.

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Christopher Randolph
1/4/2013 03:36:23 pm

But there AREN'T two sides to the story; there's an objectively true narrative which real scientists work through to figure out and there's a group of people who lie to get TV money thrown at them.

In fact there really aren't two sides to most stories - generally someone is objectively correct and someone is objectively incorrect.

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Sorthious
1/16/2013 01:43:23 pm

See, this is the problem!! LOL.... Facts do not have two sides, they may have different interrpretations, but evidence has to exist in order to interrpret it. I can't wait, I'll be hearing about the Mayans living in Georgia for years to come!

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Scott Jr.
12/28/2013 04:00:08 pm



Well friend, you're just going to love next weeks episode, "Mole People under NY City"

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Christopher Randolph
1/4/2013 03:36:42 pm

But there AREN'T two sides to the story; there's an objectively true narrative which real scientists work through to figure out and there's a group of people who lie to get TV money thrown at them.

In fact there really aren't two sides to most stories - generally someone is objectively correct and someone is objectively incorrect.

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Ricardo
1/4/2013 07:03:15 pm

I found the show entertaining. The host is not objective. His mind was made up already. He could be right, but that isnt science. I also like shows on the the lost ark of the israelites but i seriously doubt it was actually an alien artifact if it even existed. Reality tv invades academia and posts huge numbers. Dont sweat it. If you want hardcore

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walter sabo link
1/4/2013 11:58:36 pm

Guys guys if it was all buttoned up it would be on THE HISTORY CHANNEL rather than HISTORY 2. It would be scheduled next to the precisiion pricing and appraisals of ancient texts seen on Pawn Stars or the careful archeological digs revealed on American Pickers or the astonishing---over the edge---photography of Ice Road Truckers. Gents, it's a show. A lot of fun, a show. Now, i must go back and watch the guy with the hair explain that the Great Pyramid was a hydrogen plant emitting world wide microwaves.

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Christopher Randolph
1/5/2013 02:39:34 am

First off let me apologize for the multiple postings on this thread - I got repeated messages that the posts failed and apparently that wasn't the case.

The problem isn't that it's "a show" and entertaining like X-Files, the problem is that is presented as science done by a scientist (a "forensic geologist", whatever that is). This is presented as non-fiction. And it shapes the way more people view the world than any number of worthwhile books on the subject.

For me the overriding damage is the depiction of anything of cultural or technological value in North America having necessarily been imported by non-native cultures. The racism implicit in that is staggering.

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Richard Thornton link
1/5/2013 03:21:39 am

Hey this is Richard Thornton again. Guess I didn't make a detailedg enough statement, when I said that there was not enough time in the show for most of my interview. Most of the remaining 8 hours dealt with genetics, architecture and linguistics.
The Southeast has been an ethnic melting pot for at least 2000 years. We Creeks represent an assimilation of at least 17 ethnic groups, that includes a big chunk of Maya DNA. About 1/3 of the Itstate-Creek language is composed of pure Maya and Totonac words. The infusion of Maya commoner refugees sparked the our advanced town building culture. A recent comprehensive genetic study of the NC Cherokees revealed the shocking news that they are primarily a Middle Eastern population, descended from Spanish Sephardic Jews, who colonized the NC Mountains in the 1600s. That is why they have no cultural memory before around 1700, whereas ours goes back to around 400 BC. The presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people, is part of both the Creek and Cherokee oral history. For America Unearthed to cover the topic comprehensively would have required a mini-series! LOL Well, it was fun being part of the show and a lot of good things are coming out of it.

Richard Thornton link
1/5/2013 03:22:04 am

Hey this is Richard Thornton again. Guess I didn't make a detailedg enough statement, when I said that there was not enough time in the show for most of my interview. Most of the remaining 8 hours dealt with genetics, architecture and linguistics.
The Southeast has been an ethnic melting pot for at least 2000 years. We Creeks represent an assimilation of at least 17 ethnic groups, that includes a big chunk of Maya DNA. About 1/3 of the Itstate-Creek language is composed of pure Maya and Totonac words. The infusion of Maya commoner refugees sparked the our advanced town building culture. A recent comprehensive genetic study of the NC Cherokees revealed the shocking news that they are primarily a Middle Eastern population, descended from Spanish Sephardic Jews, who colonized the NC Mountains in the 1600s. That is why they have no cultural memory before around 1700, whereas ours goes back to around 400 BC. The presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people, is part of both the Creek and Cherokee oral history.

Richard Thornton link
1/5/2013 03:22:45 am

Hey this is Richard Thornton again. Guess I didn't make a detailed enough statement, when I said that there was not enough time in the show for most of my interview. Most of the remaining 8 hours dealt with genetics, architecture and linguistics.
The Southeast has been an ethnic melting pot for at least 2000 years. We Creeks represent an assimilation of at least 17 ethnic groups, that includes a big chunk of Maya DNA. About 1/3 of the Itstate-Creek language is composed of pure Maya and Totonac words. The infusion of Maya commoner refugees sparked the our advanced town building culture. A recent comprehensive genetic study of the NC Cherokees revealed the shocking news that they are primarily a Middle Eastern population, descended from Spanish Sephardic Jews, who colonized the NC Mountains in the 1600s. That is why they have no cultural memory before around 1700, whereas ours goes back to around 400 BC. The presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people, is part of both the Creek and Cherokee oral history.

Richard Thornton link
1/5/2013 03:23:36 am

Hey this is Richard Thornton again. Guess I didn't make a detailed enough statement, when I said that there was not enough time in the show for most of my interview. Most of the remaining 8 hours dealt with genetics, architecture and linguistics.
The Southeast has been an ethnic melting pot for at least 2000 years. We Creeks represent an assimilation of at least 17 ethnic groups, that includes a big chunk of Maya DNA. About 1/3 of the Itstate-Creek language is composed of pure Maya and Totonac words. The infusion of Maya commoner refugees sparked the our advanced town building culture. A recent comprehensive genetic study of the NC Cherokees revealed the shocking news that they are primarily a Middle Eastern population, descended from Spanish Sephardic Jews, who colonized the NC Mountains in the 1600s. That is why they have no cultural memory before around 1700, whereas ours goes back to around 400 BC. The presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people, is part of both the Creek and Cherokee oral history.

dawoodmon
2/2/2013 04:06:21 pm

Again thinking people are stupid!
And you do think all are stupid when u are looking for validation to your educated opinion.
It is entertainment.
Do u believe everything u see on t.v.?

Americanegro
9/2/2016 08:14:52 pm

Mr. Thornton,

Not buying that load about Cherokees being Spanish Jews for a minute. Completely lost their languages and culture in less than 200 years? No. You are on the same sh|tlist as Wolter in my view.

Sorthious
1/16/2013 01:49:10 pm

LOL....No, it's Rednecks taking over America. Dumb people can't understand REAL history, science,etc., so we need to replace it with things that aren't true, irrelevent material,etc., Oh...you forgot Ax Men, ....oh gotta go, Gates of Hell is on H2, it's about 6 locations believed to be entrances to hell!! I love learning about REAL things!!

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dawoodmon
2/2/2013 04:01:54 pm

The guy with the hair is Giorgio.
That hair is something else!
I think he's an ancient alien! Maybe illegal too!
Purely entertaining.

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Richard Thornton link
1/5/2013 03:25:52 am

Hey this is Richard Thornton again. Guess I didn't make a detailed enough statement, when I said that there was not enough time in the show for most of my interview. Most of the remaining 8 hours dealt with genetics, architecture and linguistics.

The Southeast has been an ethnic melting pot for at least 2000 years. We Creeks represent an assimilation of at least 17 ethnic groups, that includes a big chunk of Maya DNA. About 1/3 of the Itstate-Creek language is composed of pure Maya and Totonac words. The infusion of Maya commoner refugees sparked the our advanced town building culture. A recent comprehensive genetic study of the NC Cherokees revealed the shocking news that they are primarily a Middle Eastern population, descended from Spanish Sephardic Jews, who colonized the NC Mountains in the 1600s. That is why they have no cultural memory before around 1700, whereas ours goes back to around 400 BC. The presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people, is part of both the Creek and Cherokee oral history.

Well, it was fun being part of the show and a lot of good things are resulting from it.

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Sorthious
1/16/2013 02:14:46 pm

Ok...several issues here. In what journals, or elsewhere, can we read about these DNA tests. I would love hear about the spectrum of people tested. Where can I read about 1/3 of the Itstate-Creek language being composed of pure Mayan words. Where can I find written examples of these words for comparison?

How did you glean the information regarding the "infustion of Maya commoner refugees?" By what methods did you determine them to be commoners and refugees?

How did you become aware that Spanish Sephardic Jews colonized the NC Mountains, and where is are the artifacts that show they had settlements there?

"The presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people, is part of both the Creek and Cherokee oral history."- That sounds awfully vague.

It seems to me you've raised more questions than you've answered. It's easy to say "We have all this evidence and stuff...." without ever showing anyone it....thats what shows like yours normally do. Could you please point us to legitimate sources that hold all this evidence?

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Varika
2/15/2013 11:45:03 pm

Funny--the only "Cherokee DNA genetic study" I know of was funded by and tested the CENTRAL BAND of Cherokee in Ohio, and it conclusively proved they were NOT of Jewish ancestry.

Also, "the presence of a large city on a high mountain populated by another people," ....hm...were there also circular canals and amazing technology, too? Srsly, EVERY culture has a reference to "others who live somewhere inacccessible." That's really not proof of ANYTHING.

Finally, the NC Cherokee's OWN WEBSITE provides their "cultural memory" as: "The Cherokee believe that they have always lived in Western North Carolina. Indeed, finely crafted stone tools and fluted spear-points confirm that ancient people lived here more than 11,000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age. Ancient Cherokee tales describe hunts of the mastodons that once foraged through the upland spruce and fir. By 8000 B.C., semi-permanent villages dotted this region." (http://visitcherokeenc.com/the-people/history-culture/) 11,000 years ago sounds like a LOT further back than 1700 CE, doesn't it? And, for that matter, further back than 400 BCE.

Are you sure you aren't indulging in ancient predjudices, since you claim to be Creek?

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Scott
12/28/2013 04:10:44 pm



Hmmm, I heard the recent DNA study attempting to genetically link the Cherokee people with any Middle Eastern or Jewish culture, ancient or otherwise, was inconclussive, per recent genetic DNA testing results of course.



Scott

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joe
1/4/2014 05:19:46 pm

Are the Cherokee all living in counting houses? Are they human vampires drinking the blood of gentiles? If so, the Jewish link is real indeed.

Christopher Randolph
1/5/2013 03:37:06 am

Richard -

I imagine I have a "big chunk" of Mayan DNA too - and I'm a white guy. We're all humans. we share most DNA. What do you mean by "big chunk"?

Also - are you claiming that the Cherokees speak - what? Judeo-Spanish? They'd better; you claim that Mayan survived in Georgia for 1500 years, so we'd best by the same token have Judeo-Spanish surviving 300-400, should we not?

Incidentally the Sephardim were literate, if not multi-lingual literate, and first contact with the English was in 1657. There should be a huge amount of textual, written accounts from both sides of encountering other Europeans, should there not be?

Or are you claiming that Mayan survived for 1500 years in GA while Judeo-Spanish died out in about 20 years in NC..?

From the Wiki entry on the Cherokee: "Linguistically, they are part of the Iroquoian language family. In the 19th century, historians and ethnographers recorded their oral tradition that told of the tribe having migrated south in ancient times from the Great Lakes region, where other Iroquoian-speaking peoples were located."

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Tracey
1/6/2013 06:08:46 pm

I was googling this place within the first fifteen minutes of the show and as soon as I saw that it was, in fact, open to the public, all credibility went right out the window. And that's a shame because this stuff IS really interesting all on its own without the drama they dream up. So I continue to watch and just do my own independent research. :)

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Arthur B. Fox
1/12/2013 06:28:59 am

I am a retired archaeologist and now teach US and World Geography. I just saw the show last night on the Minoans mining copper in Michigan. This is really a stretch. I was waiting for the facts of how they knew copper was there in the first place, and also how did they get inland by ship. There was no directly route 10,000y years ago. Consider the St. Lawrence route or the Hudson River Route, there would have been many rapids or shoals in the river system. Maybe someone can explain. Thanks

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Sorthious
1/16/2013 01:19:10 pm

"Stretch" is being overly kind. To be fair though, he said that tests of wooden braces or something, found in the mine shafts, dated to 5000 years ago.

There is speculation that other cultures traveled to North America well before Columbus. The Norse had a settlment in Newfoundland at L'Anse aux Meadows around 1000 CE, which is the only widely accepted pre-Columbian trans-oceanic landing in North America to be widely accepted in academia. Unfortunately, at least around my area, this is still not taught.

So, Mr. Wolter never exhibits how it would have even been possible for the Minoans, around 3000BCE, to travel that far. He fails to explain why a civilization would have decided to travel into parts unknown in search of minerals, because this was his premise for them going to Michigan, then, after hitting the coast, they decide to trave nearly half way across the country in search of copper ore and, as Arthur says, there is a transportation problem. They stay that it would have taken 10,000 men 1,000 years to mine all the ore that had been held at that site. If, the Minoans had indeed mined it, where are the minoan artifacts, amphora, midden pits? ANYTHING?!? If what you presented in these shows is all you have it's nothing more than conspiracy, speculation, and psuedo-science. I used to like the History Channel, Science Channel,etc., now most of the information on them is unreliable and has people thinking this sort of crap is legitimate history. *shakes head*

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Eric McChesney
1/16/2013 09:11:14 pm

Just as important is the question of how did these tidy copper hungry Minoans manage to travel up the Great Lakes to Michigan without leaving colonies, forts, ports, and huge midden heaps along the way.There certainly are enough turbulent waters along the Great Lakes (the Edmund Fitzgerald tragedy is a case in point) to have made Egyptian derived Minoan ships carrying copper ore on them a fool's errand, not to mention the dangers of the Atlantic. By this logic, the Minoans must've had extra ships to clean up amphora, since none of those have been found along the Great Lakes either. It would've been easier simply to take over Spain and mine them under Minoan supervision than travel to the Americas for copper. Unfortunately for Wolter, no such sites exist anywhere on the routes he mentioned and we are left with alleged Minoan script. Is the writing allegedly Linear A or B?, Wolter doesn't specify and doesn't bring a linguist on the show to translate in case it is the proto-Greek Linear B script. Worse still, the original alleged Minoan texts have (conveniently) disappeared for all practical purposes leaving us to hear Wolter speculate on the the Minoan "W" (a letter that exists neither in Linear A, B, or Greek in any form). Yet if we were to believe Wolter, then we should have expected to find problems such as deforestation to possibly follow the alleged Minoan trash heaps along the Great Lakes for a large scale thousand year long mining operation, but no proof for that is given either. Maybe some of Erich Von Danniken's Ancient Aliens gave the Minoans a helping hand? Not much more far fetched than squaring the real archaeology with the Minoan Michigan theory. Just a few of the questions I wondered about for enquiring minds want to know.

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Americanegro
9/2/2016 08:21:03 pm

"I am a retired archaeologist and now teach US and World Geography. I just saw the show last night on the Minoans mining copper in Michigan. This is really a stretch. I was waiting for the facts of how they knew copper was there in the first place, and also how did they get inland by ship."

Not how did they know the copper was there, but how did they know the landmass was there? Baby steps.

The real question is why did a copper shortage in Europe and Western Asia START and then STOP?

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scott b.
1/12/2013 10:26:42 am

I have enjoyed watching Wolter's show Unearthed. I think Jason has his panties in bind because he doesn't have his own show.Jason, go back to your horror fiction writing.

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Sorthious
1/15/2013 02:53:49 pm

The sad thing is that people who like to watch about "History" are now being subjected to this and other shows that exhibit next to no scientific method or leads the viewer by way of omission to believe their "theory." I am no scientist but you really don't have to be to smell bullshit. It's kind of like watching a child try to shove a square peg into a round hole. They grasp at straws to make their "evidence" fit the theory. Thats not science. You, and people like you do a disservice to those with a thirst for knowledge.

The History Channel, Science Channel and many other "Educational" channels are being replaced by psuedo-science, Reality Shows, and other non-related programs. Since when are "Aliens" history..other than people wanting them to exist? You make a mockery of science and you muddy the waters of real scientific research. Just another company putting profits before people in my opinion.

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J. Mueller
1/15/2013 05:56:42 pm

I'm amazed by some of the comments in here.

It's a TV SHOW!!!! Of course there's going to be controversy. That's the sell... Making you raise an eyebrow. Duh!!

I also find it very interesting that somehow Scott seems to keep ending up at a National Park or some similar area making an incredible new discovery. I wonder why it's already a National Park!?!?!? And isn't it even more curious that at a time when visitation to National Parks is at an all time low, we have a tv show advertising the glorious and mysterious history of America that can be found at National Parks.

It's TV, people. Just buy the products.

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Jason Colavito link
1/15/2013 10:28:35 pm

Your cynicism is depressing. In a few lines, you suggested that viewers should treat television as nothing but lies and also suggest a wide-ranging conspiracy between TV producers and the U.S. government to bilk the public because the public takes these programs to be true. Then you add a further conspiracy surrounding its park status. If any of those ideas were true, it would still be important to point out the fakery.

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Jordan Mueller
1/16/2013 05:54:03 am

Jason, I'm not sure how you've concluded that I suggested anything that supports your comments. I made no mention of "lies" or "conspiracy." You've simply projected your perceptions to do exactly what the television shows do - attach controversy. Perhaps you should do a show about your ridiculous and overblown responses to comment left on your blog.

Regarding what you obviously think is a suggestion of "conspiracy", there is certainly every possibility that there exist a legally binding contractual arrangement between two parties for one to provide what is effectively advertising for the others fee based visitor centers. If you think that the Government has no interest in getting paying visitors out to National Parks, or that someone would identify and exploit and opportunity to promote that effort in exchange for funding, then you're incredibly naive. Regardless, that's not a conspiracy. It's a business arrangement. It's called advertising.

Also, I think using the word "cynical" is just inappropriate. I'm always curious about the people who think those who have a realistic view of things are "cynical." However, I find great irony in the fact that your blog is full - FULL, of criticisms towards this program (America Unearthed) and basically suggests to your readers that Scott's theories shouldn't be taken too seriously, yet when I post commentary on it's entertainment rather than educational value, you immediately shoot back that I'm a cynic. I wonder, do you see the irony?

I'll have to agree with Scott B.

Jordan Mueller
1/16/2013 05:54:33 am

Jason, I'm not sure how you've concluded that I suggested anything that supports your comments. I made no mention of "lies" or "conspiracy." You've simply projected your perceptions to do exactly what the television shows do - attach controversy. Perhaps you should do a show about your ridiculous and overblown responses to comment left on your blog.

Regarding what you obviously think is a suggestion of "conspiracy", there is certainly every possibility that there exist a legally binding contractual arrangement between two parties for one to provide what is effectively advertising for the others fee based visitor centers. If you think that the Government has no interest in getting paying visitors out to National Parks, or that someone would identify and exploit and opportunity to promote that effort in exchange for funding, then you're incredibly naive. Regardless, that's not a conspiracy. It's a business arrangement. It's called advertising.

Also, I think using the word "cynical" is just inappropriate. I'm always curious about the people who think those who have a realistic view of things are "cynical." However, I find great irony in the fact that your blog is full - FULL, of criticisms towards this program (America Unearthed) and basically suggests to your readers that Scott's theories shouldn't be taken too seriously, yet when I post commentary on it's entertainment rather than educational value, you immediately shoot back that I'm a cynic. I wonder, do you see the irony?

I'll have to agree with Scott B.

Jordan Mueller
1/16/2013 05:54:42 am

Jason, I'm not sure how you've concluded that I suggested anything that supports your comments. I made no mention of "lies" or "conspiracy." You've simply projected your perceptions to do exactly what the television shows do - attach controversy. Perhaps you should do a show about your ridiculous and overblown responses to comment left on your blog.

Regarding what you obviously think is a suggestion of "conspiracy", there is certainly every possibility that there exist a legally binding contractual arrangement between two parties for one to provide what is effectively advertising for the others fee based visitor centers. If you think that the Government has no interest in getting paying visitors out to National Parks, or that someone would identify and exploit and opportunity to promote that effort in exchange for funding, then you're incredibly naive. Regardless, that's not a conspiracy. It's a business arrangement. It's called advertising.

Also, I think using the word "cynical" is just inappropriate. I'm always curious about the people who think those who have a realistic view of things are "cynical." However, I find great irony in the fact that your blog is full - FULL, of criticisms towards this program (America Unearthed) and basically suggests to your readers that Scott's theories shouldn't be taken too seriously, yet when I post commentary on it's entertainment rather than educational value, you immediately shoot back that I'm a cynic. I wonder, do you see the irony?

I'll have to agree with Scott B.

Jason Colavito link
1/16/2013 08:58:56 am

You wrote "isn't it even more curious that at a time when visitation to National Parks is at an all time low, we have a tv show advertising the glorious and mysterious history of America that can be found at National Parks." While my tongue was in my cheek when using the word "conspiracy," you did with that wording suggest that there was a behind-the-scenes collusion between the National Park service and the media.

Eric McChesney
3/2/2013 12:51:12 pm

Jason, I'd say that even if those working with Scott Wolter were simply trying to get more visitors to state and national parks, they are doing this cause a disservice when it comes to an educational standpoint. It hurts the intellectual credibility of those who work there in the public mind (many of whom possess advanced degrees in fields like geology, history, public history), and that cannot be considered good.

Sorthious
1/16/2013 02:49:50 am

It's also a "TV SHOW" on a channel who's very name, The History Channel, implies that it's content is history centric. All these fringe 'scientific' groups spend an hour, espousing assumptions, many 'I believe...' comments, playing dramatic music, etc., then end the show with absolutely no evidence, untestable evidence, or, more often, just a plain summary of their ideas on a particular 'theory.' It's find to put shows like that on other channels, but its a shame to present these things as history or science when they are anything but.

The History Channel, Science, Discovery,etc., used to be great channels to learn. Now they are filled with speculation, religion, aliens.,etc. I'm not saying to censor these shows, but damn, do they have to commandeer the very few decent stations to raise ratings?

Pawn Stars is a nice show, sometimes, but is only vaguely historical. I saw Jesus related programs on the 'Science' channel. Everything is becoming 'Reality TV.' I enjoy non-educational tv from time to time; thats what 'Comedy Central' and like stations are for. But, you wouldnt want to turn on Comedy Central and find them playing Romance shows would ya?

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Sharon
2/17/2013 05:30:07 pm

I agree with your comment on tv shows not being true to their titles: Travel channel has food shows, History channel has pawn shops and so on. I watch most shows for entertainment or just background noise, but when I turn on a specific channel because of a specific title, it would be nice to actually get it!
As far as the accuracy of the information provided by these shows, I think there always have been people who will believe what they are told, people who think about what they are told, and people who will go out and research what they have been told. I hope that I can keep my wonder and curiosity alive, but be willing to accept proven facts whether they fit my opinions or not. I guess the question is whose research and facts do I chose to believe? I love to read about Atlantis and watch Ancient Aliens and listen to the big hair guy, but that's just entertainment for the most part. I don't seriously believe in all of it.
Of course, Bigfoot is real, though!!!! ( at least I would like to believe it)

Eric McChesney
1/16/2013 05:37:25 am

I am inclined to side with Sorthious regarding much of the more recent history "educational" programming he mentioned. Scott Wolter's "Unearthing America", specifically the Great Lakes copper heist is a case in point. The idea that the Minoans would have travelled to the Great Lakes for copper is plainly innacurate and the questions Wolter leaves unmentioned make this theory seem even more ludicrous. First, there is no proof that the island based Minoan civilization were such great consumers of copper that they needed to travel far afield ( especially across the Atlantic) to satiate their needs for it. Minoan civilization was based chiefly in the Aegean (Crete), and the southeast Cyclades (Thera) and that was sufficient enough a presence combined with their navy to dominate the Mediterranean trade routes in copper via the Black Sea. Sicily and especially Spain had valuable deposits of copper at the time too, but no evidences of Minoan settlements, forts, or ports are to be found there. Wolter's case becomes even flimsier when applied to some hypothetical Minoan presence in Michigan. Where are the Minoan settlements, forts or ports, (let along areas leading from Crete to the Americas such as island way stations) to be found along the Great Lakes? Not even so much as a shard of amphora or other items in everyday Minoan use have been found along the way, and a mining operation on that alleged scale would have been littered with Minoan midden heaps in several settlements if Wolter's theory was true. None of this has been found either. Wolter largely rests much of his evidence on alleged Minoan writing tablets that have disappeared for all practical purposes in the course of this last century and a grainy photograph of a tablet purported to be evidence of Minoan presence in Michigan. He didn't even distinguish just what type Minoan writing it allegedly was (Linear A or Linear B). If it was Linear B, some excavated examples have been translated for it is a precursor to Greek language proper, yet Wolter doesn't invite any linguistic specialists on his show to attempt to translate the photos of the alleged Minoan texts that he does have. If he could find one, I'm sure they could've given Wolter linguistic pointers such as the fact that the letter W as we know it that Wolter mentions on that episode doesn't exist in Linear A or B, let alone Greek for that matter. In any case, it is the archaeology, knowledge of settlements,trade routes, and linguistic evidence (or lack thereof in all of these cases), that will make or break such hypothetical arguments every time. Just another example of bad scholarship posing as cutting edge knowledge.

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Richard Thornton link
1/16/2013 07:23:44 am

Scott Wolter is testing speculations, theories and beliefs. Some are going to pan out, others not. For example, a lot of people in Minnesota believe that a Viking sword was plowed up in a farmers field. Scott found it to be a late 19th century stage prop! I imagine that there will be some programs that we don't know any more about the probability of the theory at the end than in the beginning.

I was surprised by the theoretical link to the Minoans, but will keep an open mind. There is a lot more solid evidence linking a Bronze Age Pre-Celtic population to copper mining in eastern North America. Several of the petroglyphic boulders in North Georgia are identical to those in County Kerry, Ireland and southwestern Iberia. Something that SCOTT COMPLETELY LEFT OUT was that the shape of copper ingots in eastern North America was identical to the shape of copper ingots in western and northern Europe. Who knows what was really going on back then? It is not time for the archaeology profession to hang up their tools and become commodities traders! LOL

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Roger
1/25/2013 03:41:02 pm

Sorry, Richard---there is nobody in Minnesota who believes that clearly 20th century sword is a Viking artifact. Wolters made that "analysis" because he tried to pretend that he's applying scientific rigor to his fairy tales. If this is a sample of his scientific credibility, I have to question how he got a PhD...in any subject, much less geology.

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Clyde Woodfin
1/16/2013 12:40:07 pm

I hear talk of evidence that supports your theory, but I don't see any links to media, or text backing up your words. Which petroglyphic boulders are you reffering to in each of these places? Have they been authenticated by other scientists? If you expect people to take you seriously you have to provide details and actual evidence, not dramatic music and camera angles.

Keeping an open mind is fine, however, blindly accepting something as totally probable without precedence, or "real" evidence that warrants further investigation is nothing more than naivety.

No one is suggesting that Arcaelogists "hang up their tools," just that you perform and present your investigation in a logical order. It's like, at least the way it was presented, that Scott skipped several steps in his investigations and ignored things that we'ren't convenient to his theory.

As Eric said, midden pits would be a prime source for showing an extended habitation, of a particular group, in an area. I'm no arcaeologist, but I know that anytime people live in a place for long durations, they accumulate trash. This trash needs to be disposed of. So, if you really want to prove your point, where are the pottery shards, weapons, and other items that would distinctly prove your conjectures about the people you say lived in Georgia, or the miners in Michigan. You cannot use one artifact, supposedly found in Georgia, as proof that a group resided there for any length of time.

I'm open minded to ideas, theories, etc., but I won't blinded accept something as a fact until it has been proved.

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Lynn Brant
1/17/2013 01:13:28 am

Adventure fiction cloaked as science is a new genre. The shame is, there "is" evidence of pre-Columbian European exploration in America. But it is now in the bathwater with all the crypto-archeology. This may be the strategy of those who do NOT want true history made more clear - the best place to hide a bit of truth is often inside a pack of lies.

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chris call
1/17/2013 08:53:13 am

I'm so sick of these pseudo science / fake docu- dramas.It's ideocrsacy coming true.The History channel and others who show this drivel should be ashamed.

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Kris
1/18/2013 04:57:22 pm

I'm sorry - but you're just not thinking fourth-dimentionally... Where Scott Wolter is certainly focused appropriately on America's past, the History2 Producers are currently thinking and planning well into the future, (probably two seasons ahead, even) when the brand new season of "Ancient American Aliens Unearthed" will be unveiled to the pseudo-science-devouring public, and all those apparent "blank spots" and "holes" in Scott Wolter's scientifically proven theories will be filled in with the same Swiss cheese that the Ancient-Alien moon bases were made out of so many millenia ago, and everything will fit nicely into place. ..I can see it now - Scott Wolter and buddy "Hair-guy-with-a-tan" from Ancient Aliens spelunking down a cave together to find the Ancient Pre-Columbian/Meso-American MotherShip hiding from them, with the "smoking-Gun" Swiss cheese inside... (Can't wait)

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Kris
1/18/2013 05:28:13 pm

...I know - I spelled "dimensionally" rong...

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Mike Wood link
1/22/2013 11:11:53 am

I have watched the first ep and the one with the 12th century Englishman in Arizona and the Copper one in the Great Lakes. The first was conspiracy silly. The second seemed interesting but highly implausible to be able to match the person mentioned on the stone to a single individual in England. The third with the copper, is interesting with the physical evidence of the so called copper culture mining. But if the Minoans had been there and navigated either through the Great Lakes/ St Lawrence or went up the Mississippi, there would have been way points here and there. And likely remains of some settlements on the river/lake fronts. And so far nothing. Highly unlikely given how densely populated and developed they are and how far from the Atlantic is. Even one of those things would be as significant as the Viking settlement in northern Newfoundland. He can't be knocking these out of the park every week and still seem credible.

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:31:11 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -
http://www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:31:19 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -
http://www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:31:32 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -
www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:31:46 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -
ramtops.co.uk/copper.html

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:33:21 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -
ramtops dot co dot uk/copper dot html
sorry about dot but we apparently can't post html or even urls here

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:33:34 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:34:15 am

The copper thing is bunk as well. Here's a good source on it -

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:35:28 am

The copper thing is bunk as well.
ramtops dot co dot uk/copper dot html
sorry about dot but we apparently can't post html or even urls here

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Lynn Brant
1/22/2013 11:38:18 pm

Sorry about the multiple posts. It kept giving me an error try again message. I have asked that the be removed. The links on the great lakes copper is a good read. "Fueled the Bronze Age" LOL!

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cat
1/25/2013 04:05:24 pm

I was incredulous at h2s new show called "America Unearthed" tonight and checked online to see if anyone had reviewed the show.? Your review reinforced my original impression and utter disappointment at what I expected to be an intelligent show. It was completely unscientific and i applaude your review.

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Roger
1/28/2013 04:11:27 pm

You are to nice.
It's total garbage and crappy fiction.
But there is a lot of idiot out there that believe in that crap.
I'm tying to convince some of them that the Bermuda triangle was in reality a square. They get pissed off and see flying saucer.

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claiborne merritt
1/25/2013 04:50:55 pm

America Unearthed is so disrespectful to the mound builders of the Americas and a very racist point of view. It is so arrogant for these European come here and pass this type misinformation as facts.

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cat
1/25/2013 05:00:17 pm

Does that "forensic geologist" have a real degree?

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Jason Colavito link
1/25/2013 10:29:38 pm

He holds a bachelor's degree and has a license as profession geologist based on his experience examining structural faults in concrete. He claimed an honorary master's degree between 1987 and 2012 but recently admitted it was made of whipped cream. I am not making that up. Check my blog for "whipped cream" and you'll find the posting.

Ahuskaga link
2/1/2013 04:23:08 pm

As a Native (Ho Chunk) of WI, this whole episode was extremely maddening! How can you base a theory and show just on one fact and that is of the purity of copper? Minoans...really? Also, not 1 native tribe was interviewed for this episode and yet they acknowledge the "Natives" briefly. It is a documented fact the Ho Chunk minded Iron and Bronze in WI, MN, IA and MI. Minoans, really? This is a growing construct by these types of "people" to try to discredit the actual inhabitants of this continent. This show is pathetic!

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Cat
1/25/2013 06:36:58 pm

Just have to SAY I would love to be in BRIANS history class......!
I loved his comments.....and his insight.

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Wm. Van Ness
1/27/2013 06:51:17 am

So now the Mithra cult that first developed in the middle-east & was later practiced by the Romans turns out to have been an "Ancient Irish Celtic" religion, just because some old guy in a cowboy hat says so? I don't think I'll need to watch this show anymore.

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Jason Colavito link
1/27/2013 06:58:32 am

Do be sure to check out my review of that episode, posted on 1/19/13; I share all of your concerns.

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Gary J. link
2/1/2013 12:58:58 pm

I pretty much agree with most of the comments that say the program is drivel. I find the subject matter interesting, but the program would be much better if it was presented in a documentary format rather than as a reality show. It loses a lot of credibility with such an approach. And Scott Wolter is no actor ... I'm not sure of his academic credentials but the program format certainly does him no favors.

The most recent episode I've seen was "Stonehenge in America", which features a stone arrangement in southern New Hampshire that ultimately is deduced to have been constructed by the Phoenicians. Scott doesn't quite buy into this assertion because the time frames of their existence and the construction of the stone formation don't coincide. And it's interesting, and flabbergasting, to see how the Phoenician conclusion was arrived at.

There is a somewhat nerdy kid that shows Scott around the site because it's on his family's property, and has immersed himself into research into its origin and meaning. He concludes, and Scott concurs, that the site is another one of the sites aligned with the solstices.

The most startling conclusion the kid comes up with, and Scott goes along with, is that if one draws a line from a certain rock, through the position of the sun at the summer solstice, it goes directly to Stonehenge, and even more startling, exactly splits one of the formations at Stonehenge. The accuracy required of such a line would be incredible! I don't really know how far southern NH is from Stonehenge, but let's assume it's 2000 miles. If the alignment by the constructors of the NH formation was off by a mere 0.1 degrees, then by the time the line got to Stonehenge it would be off by +/- 3.5 miles! The construction accuracy of the stone masons in NH would have to have been uncanny ... and certainly nothing we could come close to duplicating today.

The Phoenician conclusion came by further extending this superbly accurate line on further ... and it lands right in the middle of present-day Lebanon, the location of the ancient Phoenicians. They were known for their sailing skills so naturally they could have visited NH and built the formations ... in the mind of the young man who owns the property.

The program could be really good if it was more scientific and less hoopla. I think Scott could present his thesis that there was pre-Columbian activity in the present-day US in a much more believable manner.

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Lynn Brant
2/1/2013 01:09:02 pm

Good review! The goal of this program is not to show that there was pre-Columbian activity in the US. The goal is to entertain the ill-informed, and to make money!

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Gary J.
2/1/2013 01:54:24 pm

I'm 'anxiously' awaiting the program on the lost Roanoke colony. It comes on in about 7 minutes and I'm sure we will be treated to some rather startling conclusions ....

And I have to agree with your statement that the program is to entertain and make money. When it was first promoted, I thought it might be a serious scientific program. At first blush in the promotions, Scott came across as credible, but that vanished in a hurry.

Time to make some popcorn.

walter sabo
2/3/2013 03:07:03 am

Apparently he liked the Dare stones and thinks the colony split. I love how all the other experts say things like..."Uh, that's a helluva story Scott." or "No, that's just not possible. " or "It makes not sense" to almost any inquiry he has. Then he ignores them and takes an expensive trip to England when a phone call would do. I wonder if they shot all the English trips at once? It's a very entertaining show. What we need now is for Scott to believe the only answer to the granite rocks is Alien intervention and then to sell the artifacts on Pawn Stars after they are appraised by the guy with the Amish hat.

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Lynn Brant
2/3/2013 04:18:21 am

I can't bring myself to watch an entire show, but I watch 15 min, to get the setup, then skip through to the end. I noticed that with the Dare stones he didn't even make a show of comparing them to some gravestone somewhere. Just a pontifical, "Yup, old." So the stones are authentic purely because he says so, then they "must" have moved west because that's where the stones were.

Like Monster Quest, this show jumps from legend to legend, uses cinema and speculation (speculinema?) to create a sense of mystery and the promise of discovery unmatched since Geraldo Rivera's secret tomb. And all those contrived trails the viewer is led down. We have to go to England to breathlessly pull back the patch instead of just commenting in narrative that it covers a sketch of a fort that was never built, and is really not germane at all. But unlike MQ, after a few of those cheap titillations, it doesn't even debunk itself in the end.

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Jason Colavito link
2/3/2013 04:24:50 am

Agreed. You'll see I made many of these same points in my review of the episode, posted yesterday.

Gary J.
2/4/2013 12:59:08 pm

I suppose all rocks are old .... but to give him a little credit, he did indeed go to the trouble of finding that they types of rock of the Dare stones existed in the area.

But regarding the map ... unless I'm mistaken, when he talked to the woman at the British museum (or perhaps it was a university) she only showed him a copy of the map, not the original. Because it was a copy, the patch could not be literally pulled back, but she claimed that the original had been x-rayed and showed a star-like pattern that Scott immediately likened to a sketch of an area in NC that he had made in a similar pattern. I'm not altogether sure that x-rays would show ink underneath a patch of paper, but maybe it would.

One thing that struck me odd ... apparently the patch was put on the map in an attempt to cover up the existence, or planned existence, of a fort. But if someone were to steal the map, the first thing they would notice would be the patch so it wasn't hiding anything.

I'm not very familiar with the lost colony of Roanoke, so commenting on it is a bit hard to do. But it seems that in every show, Scott has to get argumentative with one of the locals or "experts" ... in this case a guy who had a museum at the Croatoan site where the colony may have gone to. I suppose Scott's denial of the guy's credibility was agreeable to him for the program. But once again, a documentary format instead of a reality format would be much more credible. But I don't suppose that's the purpose of the show.

And right now I'm watching a "Finding Bigfoot" program ... humorous at times, but the drama is amazing and tense ... and of course, unrealistic. At least it's on Animal Planet and not a supposedly serious History or Discovery channel.

Jason Colavito link
2/4/2013 01:06:08 pm

Gary, check my review of this episode (blog entry dated 2/2/13) for more on this topic. The fort symbol is visible under a lightbox, not an x-ray, and it most likely was a correction to the map to fix an error.

LS
2/7/2013 11:47:51 am

I love the fact that in both of the episodes of this programme that I've seen their claims seem to be primarily supported by one really innocuous piece of 'evidence'. The claim about Maya blue is a perfectly literal illustration of a common fallacious tendency my friend Geth once brilliantly described as "there's blue here and there's blue here!" The episode about 'the American Stonehenge' was dependent on a line on a map!

I think part of the problem is the fact that while some really lucky people are great at both the natural and the human sciences, they do require somewhat different skills and not everybody seems to realise this! Scott Wolder was so keen to get the dye into the lab as he seems to be with whatever chunk of rock he comes across, that he imagines this coupled with one common motif, a spiral design and whatever else is overwhelming evidence!

Interestingly I have a friend who does ethnographic and historical work on conspiracy proponents and he found that many of them are engineers or from similar professional backgrounds. He thinks that it might have something to do with the desire to streamline and make connections, universally human of course but a hallmark of these professions. The problem is that human societies don't work quite as neatly.

I would argue that the study of human communities requires the ability to conceptualise them: how they are structured, how they interact and relate internally and externally and I don't think Scott Wolder can do this. He can't appreciate that some commonalities and contact don't make two disparate groups the same. I think a little like many of the holes in AA however they rely on examples that the audience at least will let them away with, they couldn't do this with European history for example. The Book of Kells, created on the island of Iona in Scotland, if memory serves contains lapis lazuli from Afghanistan and I believe some dyes from China and very far flung places and everybody is quite happy with the idea that this is a diffusion of trade goods not evidence of diffusionism in that sense. .

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LS
2/7/2013 11:50:07 am

I mean you'd think from the presenter's excitement that he had literally tripped over a buried Mayan pyramid or something!

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Lynn Brant
2/7/2013 10:33:20 pm

You make some very good points. The Roanoke episode was entirely based on the specious claim that the Dare stones are authentic. It is really a "what if" speculation: "what if this was the case? Then we could build an interesting fantasy around that."

But Scott knows his analysis is flawed. He presents himself as a geologist, but his real forte is theatrics. Believe me, most of what has been presented in this show so far, he knows is bs. But he also knows it titillates and sells and that's what this show is about. He's a cross between a professional wrestler and a TV evangelist.

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Varika
2/16/2013 12:01:26 am

"what if this was the case? Then we could build an interesting fantasy around that."

Amusingly, I have been using this show to do precisely that in my frequent bouts of insomnia. Though generally I take the premise, "What if this premise were true? What would the world actually be like now? What if Minoans HAD been seafaring int he Atlantic, not just the Med, and mined in North America? How would European history have changed? Asian? African? Would we even have a United States of America?"

...the Dare Stones thing led me in a bit different a direction, more to an interesting "alternative timeline" short story piece about the known politics in the area and what if some of the colonists HAD gotten split off from the group. It ended...rather badly for the character, I have to admit.

I consider these things FAR more entertaining than Counting Sheep.

Jafafa Hots
2/23/2013 05:39:14 am

It has been noticed that a lot of creationists have engineering backgrounds too.

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Cy
2/8/2013 07:23:07 pm

True knowledge begins with asking questions. Does it not? The more discussion stimulated, the better. Try not to be so rigid as to stifle further investigation. :-)

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Lynn Brant
2/8/2013 11:27:32 pm

I appreciate the sentiment, but true knowledge begins with "answering" questions. Anyone can ask them. All myths and legends (and hoaxes) have a grain of truth in them. That's what makes them seem compelling to the low information consumer. Debunking what is false is not rigidity. In fact, attempting to disprove the null hypothesis is the cornerstone of the scientific method.

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Crewcheef
2/9/2013 12:24:51 pm

Just watched the episode on the "solar equinox chamber" in Pennsylvania. Total bunk. That was so obviously a root celar to an old home it was ridiculous. You see these all over the Blue Ridge Mts and other places where they take a natural spring and build a structure around it to provide water at the house and store perishables in the area cooled by the ground water. Bunk! Even looked like poured concrete around the "basin"!

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Jason Colavito link
2/9/2013 12:45:08 pm

Be sure to read my review of that episode, posted today (2/9). I agree completely.

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Pierre
2/18/2013 10:58:24 am

How could Scott miss the fact that the Minoans used all that copper as they were building the great lakes. If you watch the great lakes from space, it is exactly the shape of Minoans symbols.
I want to write more but my spaceship has to leave before sunset, we have no headlights.

Jim Brake
2/9/2013 09:00:51 pm

America Unearthed is a complete joke of a program. I wish I could get paid to host a show on a subject I am completely ignorant about. The history channel might better serve its audience with a show outlining the real history of archaeology in the US. American Archaology Decoded or something along those lines. Discover the evolution of scientific archaology in the US. Learn about the key archaologist and the major discoveries and evidence that shape our current view of history and pre-history in the New World.

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William M Smith
2/10/2013 12:54:24 am

Can you believe this Guy has ordained himself as a forensick geoligest and H2 is allowing him to represent the process of research in the United States. Do we hand a compass from Minn. to a person in Penn. to take a scientific reading without adjusting the compass for magnetic declination? Was the magnetic north reading 300 or 308?

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Lynn Brant
2/10/2013 01:02:46 am

This show is to research what Karaoke is to music

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Jason Colavito link
2/10/2013 01:05:57 am

Be sure to check out my review of this episode, S01E08, in my blog post dated 2/9/13.

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bob volkson link
3/29/2013 05:43:46 pm

You,re all just cruel.These poor people on A. U. and anc alien really dont know.Thats why they ask all those questions"could it be that,,,would they build it if"on and on. I counted and Anci A averages 603 and unearthed,157[slow pace] per episode. Jason,and all you others,please,just start the playback and answer their questions.They;re desperate . . .DESPERATE for answers.Help them.

catie
4/1/2013 06:46:51 pm

The History Channel has done it again!!! "The Indiana Jones of Forensic Geology!!!" What is a Forensic Geologist doing on a program that is depicting itself as ancient archeology? The "History" of ancient peoples? A Forensic Geologist studies the soil by which decomposed bodies have layed and this soil used as evidence in the court of law. What credentials does this man have other than that and an apparent "personal" interest in history. I was, of coarse, expecting an acredited proffesional to head this most interesting subject. But.....nooooo! It's the "New and Improved" History Channel!!! "Bozo's Circus is on the air!!!" Come on kiddies!....Let's watch Bozo throw a creme pie and see if it sticks!!! "Let's get someone with moderate success who will take money in exchange for his reputation to sell a load of bull!!!" Scott is missing the hat and whip. Instead he carries a lab-in-a-sack. I was bamboozled into believing this was going to be an educational adventure about our indigenous people (and those who came from abroad) and all the questions to be raised and if not answered with scientific solidity, at least questioned. NOT possibilities presented as facts. This show is a farse when it could have been great. Scott is no more than a plumber calling himself a proctologist!

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catie
4/1/2013 06:54:55 pm

R. Grisi
2/13/2013 12:59:08 pm

Am awaiting his investigation of Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox.
"Ripping good yarns"!

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mj
2/13/2013 04:12:35 pm

This guys leaps of 'logic' are astounding. This show takes supposition, mixes in a few facts, salts it with conspiracy theories and serves it up in a nice mush for the uneducated and easily influenced public. Another case of trying to make money from nothing. It`s crap.

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rich
2/14/2013 04:10:45 pm

Well, take it with a ton of skepticism. I just watched the Medieval Desert episode, where "Mike" the "ancient language expert" claims to interpret the rock inscriptions in the Mustang Mountains of Arizona as 12th Century English, which he translates into 29 words.
Yet we can read the inscription, which is only 5 lines and not more than 10 words, max., including a fairly obvious word.. MMMTS, (Mustang Mountains). Also the words MISS RATRTS (or close to this... they never give a clear still shot of the writing on the rock)
Obviously the program is carefully choereographed. Every word is spot on. Not a waver. Well done entertainment.

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Ken Overholt
2/15/2013 11:49:51 am

If this guy really and truly believes the shit he is slinging, then he should be examined by a professional. I am watching now as he is trying to find "proof" of what he already believes. I thought one was supposed to determine the facts first then create a hypothesis. Last week I saw someone hand him a sword found buried in a field 100 years ago which looked totally pristine. Not a fleck of aging, corrosion or rust. He immediately pronounced it a viking sword.
So many of the things which he purports as fact, such as giants and the Kensington stone, have been proven to be hoaxes.
Now he is saying it is "reasonable" to him that Minoans came over 5,000 years ago to get Great Lakes copper, and "this is a big deal". Reasonable, Wow.
Anyone up for joining me in a petition to make the History channel stand behind their programs. I honestly believe that I would rather watch the ancient alien idiots than this guy.

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Victor M
2/15/2013 03:05:16 pm

Scott Wolter joined my dads club a few years ago (Midwestern Epigraphic Society) and used us to get information he wanted probely for this show. We went down to Kentucky to look at the site the plan was for to spend 4 days. 2 days would be spent at the site we rented rooms and everything scots crew came and left the same day and asked trivia type questions, from what I herd it was bad I didn't get to see the site because I got sick the night before. The trip was bad. He also borrowed my dads car to go get some rocks somewhere near by but didn't come back with any. After the Kentucky trip he didn't keep in contact with the club or my dad.

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Lynn Brant
2/15/2013 11:43:28 pm

Scott believes some truly crazy stuff, but most of what we've seen on this show he knows is nonsense. He vowed on multiple occasions that he would never do something like this. He's the ultimate sellout.

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JM IN CA
2/15/2013 08:15:54 pm

After reading this thread - I am relieved. Thank goodness so many of the commenters here point out the sheer idiocy and transparent greed of this travesty of a program- America Unearthed. Mr. Wolter - Shame On You. You are producing and promoting absolutely JUNK science. To Wit : The AE program exploring the "Conspiracy" re: Meriwether Lewis' death - was apparently created out of whole cloth by a laughably selective, and willfully ignorant examination of the facts surrounding Lewis' actual death. And it gets worse ... Implicating Thomas Jefferson , as a possible plotter in this fantasy land "murder" of Lewis, with absolutely no evidence -- Even THAT did not exceed The History Channel Execs - nor Mr Wolter's apparently limitless bounds of reason and/or taste. Indeed- Wolter seems to care nothing for actual fact finding - ignoring the tons of documented research on the Lewis death, Corps Of Discovery etc. Never even mentions any fact that might deflate his loony toon theories. Instead - He yammers on breathlessly, laughably propped up with schlocky and "dramatic" **CONSPIRACY MUSIC** and hacky, Hitchcockian camera angles... Awful on every level. There is at no point any actual evidence presented that Lewis and Clark were quote " given a mandate" to seek out Welsh Tribes" . And Wolter sinks to disgusting lows with the "repeated dramatization" of the "conspiratorial" burning of Lewis' missing diary pages -again- with absolutely no credible facts to back this nonsense up - none. In short, the program and Mr. Wolter's work are an intellectual obscenity. This is not just bad, craven, awful TV. It's Snake Oil TV. It's a shameless video con game - disguised (barely), as legit scientific inquiry. The "History" Channel should just quit pretending and change their name already. Maybe The Tall Tales Network would be a better fit. ...or... Tin Foil Hat TV. Mr Wolter and the makers of this corrosive bit of hucksterism should truly be ashamed for dumbing down to an all time TV nadir - in order to make a little (or maybe a lot) of money. And how ? By by preying on people too ill informed or as yet fully educated re: the truth, legit research, and quantifiable scientific inquiry about the historical topics this program pretends to "investigate". Finally: As i suppose is abundantly clear, I will certainly not be watching this drivel anymore. And I sincerely hope this show goes away - but - it probably won't. Mr. Wolter and the History Channel have it seems learned one important fact from American History - "There's A Sucker Born Every Minute" -- At least PT Barnum could put on a good show. Not the case with America Unearthed. May this rubbish TV be figuratively buried, and deep, soon. THE END.

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Protector of History?
2/16/2013 12:06:23 am

There will always be people doing bullshit cable TV programs. What bothers me about this is that Wolter promoted himself as a great protector of history with his work on the runestone and his book etc. Like, oh no.. HE isn't going to let the conspiracy of the lying archeologists keep the TRUTH from us!

Now, he is consciously raping history to make a few bucks. He is the lowest form of poser.

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William Smith
2/16/2013 04:14:54 am

I feel this H2 movie is the best yet. Their are one million or more researchers that have a new look on histry. They may even cut the apron into one million pieces before the end is near. Why do we go to Canada to test it? Lets look at the facts: The Lewis and Clark expedition took place in 1806 and Meriweather Lewis was drunk, high on dope and in a state of depression when he was shot by himself or a bunch of government people in 1809. (The only fact is he died of gunshot wounds in 1809.) The other fact is The Brandenburg Stone was found in 1912 by Graig Cricelius when he was plowing his field. In my opinion it took the H2 a long time in the show to admit the Brandenburg stone was made by an English fake artist. The real problem is not this stupid show it is the dammage done after these imposters make their visit. When I visited the Falls of The Ohio to view the Brandenburg stone and other artifacts in Dec of 2012, the stone was moved for no reason out of their museum. If the museum allows Scott Wolter to convince them that it has no connection to the Welsh then the hard work of people like the late Jim Michael and President of Ancient Kentucky, Lee Penington who was on the show the real victoms of this murder case. Lee and his active Ancient Kentucky group are to good for this quality of movie.

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Victor M
2/16/2013 07:10:42 am

Scott has used people to get what he wants to promote himself. Any information he does have he probely just took it from someone else

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Peter F
2/17/2013 12:41:46 am

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I found a mistake on the copper in Lake Superior episode. About 18 min into the show, they show a map that goes from Rock Harbor to McCargoe Cove. Underneath McCargoe Cove, it says "Traveling to acient copper mines". I'm assuming they meant to say ANCIENT. I would think someone would have noticed this before they aired the show on TV?

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Lynn Brant
2/17/2013 01:09:52 am

This show is a target-rich environment :-), let's not nitpick over a typo.

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jenk
2/19/2013 11:46:56 am

First off i come from an anceint welsh family and we have two storys that are passed down from father to son the first one is that two brothers once stole a horse and were banished to a secret prison colony becouse there uncle was a duke and did not want them exacuted this same uncle was said to have killed a prince in a dule and was banish to the same place america before the british were here i am welsh and native american my grandfather has grey eyes my uncles are green and his brothers brown you never now what eye colar a person in my family will have but were all born with blonde hair that turns black after about age 12 i alway thought theses storys were made up but now i dont the picture of the welshnative women they showed on unurthed looks just like my sister just like her

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Tia
1/6/2015 12:43:35 am

jenk, I heard the exact same story about my family growing up! Would you mind contacting me - the_warden4@hotmail.com. Seriously, everything you said occurs in my family as well.

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R Gilbert
2/23/2013 06:42:20 am

I watched a couple of the episodes with some interest and questions. I have no great interest in pre-historic America. Then came the episode with the assertions that Mithras was a Celtic deity. I do have some expertise in 1st -3rd century Roman studies, and certainly, Mithras was a Persian god adopted by the Romans, whose worship was largely taken up and spread by the Roman Army. The cult died quickly in the 4th century after Constantine and the advent of Christianity. The Celtic pantheon was well established prior the Roman conquest. However, after the conquest of western Europe and Gaul, the Celtic religion tended to co-mingle with the Roman religion. There was little cultural contact between Roman Britain and Ireland, where the Celtic beliefs would have remained little changed until Christianity. I would challenge Mr. Wolter to give one single, reputable cite that would confirm Mithras as being a “Celtic god.”

The problem with shows like this is that unquestioning people tend to buy into them “hook, line and sinker” thus perpetuating junk history. Shame on the History Channel for foisting off such trash on the public.

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Pierre
2/23/2013 06:45:28 am

Well said.
Thanks

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JeffS
2/23/2013 03:58:27 pm

Even more than the show the responses saying "who's to say..." meaning any fool stands on an equal footing to people who have spent their life training and learning in their field. Charlie Pierce has it so right in his book. This is Idiot America!

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Lisa C
2/25/2013 12:10:38 am

I am a 29 year old female, with an IQ of 142 (or so I've been told). I don't know what the demographic for the show is meant to be, but I find it highly interesting. First, it is important to note that many of these comments state they only watched the first or first couple of shows. Then, it must be noted that it is important to take ANYTHING you see/hear with a grain of salt. The show, since the first few shows, has made an effort to improve the quality of the narration.
I am in a doctorate program right now, for which I am doing a concept analysis on denial. Sometimes, when analyzing a concept (or object) it is just as important to determine what a subject is NOT and not just on what it is. It is true that Wolter is not able to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that certain objects are real. However, it is still of import that the objects are not necessarily fake. It leaves open the possibility of something quite fascinating - the potential of learning something new. We are still discovering new species daily. We discover new planets, new treasures, new theories all the time. Is it pretty well accepted that within the medical field, any "cure" that is herbal or alternative in nature is immediately ignored or discounted as false. That is because, regardless of the efficacy of "cure", there is no money to be made from an easily available product. The same type of closed-mindedness may be occurring in academia, perhaps for other reasons.
As to whether there was a true European or Mexican Pre-Columbian presence in America, who knows? BUT - if you want to know how history gets rewritten simply look at a recent event - the attack of the embassy in Benghazi. Even though reports of the attack coming from verified sources at the site were listing it as a strategically planned attack, we were repeatedly being told for quite some time that it was an impromptu riot based on some obscure youtube video. Yeah. Right. So, in this case, with all of the advanced media communication methods, we were able to wade through the lies a bit to determine something wasn't quite right. However, who knows how far the lies went? We will probably never know. So, if you take into consideration that if historical events in today's world can be altered for political reasons, surely that could have happened in a time when things were much less strictly documented. It's feasible. That is my point. It may not be provable, but neither is it disprovable. Why close the case on it now?

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Jason Colavito link
2/25/2013 12:25:38 am

To be honest, I'm not sure how to respond to this. What I want to say is that I am surprised that you are in a doctoral program and are not apparently familiar with the idea of the burden of proof in argumentation or the null hypothesis in science. I have never "closed the case" on any alternative belief, but the burden of proof is on the advocate to prove that it is real. Each week, I evaluate whether the show has done that, and so far it has failed to do so. If the standard is only "could be true," then why aren't we spending tax dollars hunting for unicorns? They could be true, too.

I'm also not quite sure I understand how you can work in academia and also think academia is in on a vast conspiracy to suppress non-profitable discoveries or those that challenge the status quo. Are you now or have you ever been a conspirator?

(Note to the humor impaired: The last sentence is a humorous reference to the McCarthy hearings, not a serious attack.)

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Americanegro
9/2/2016 08:42:12 pm

"I am a 29 year old female, with an IQ of 142" <--- Right there is where I tune out. A smart innie like you should be able to figure out why.

Writing essays about reasoning is like playing baseball about fishing.

Lynn Brant
2/25/2013 12:29:01 am

On subjects like this (and politics), people tend to polarize. They either embrace everything and anything (Wolter), or they are skeptics and reject everything believing that the "status quo" is the benchmark for truth (Jason). It's hard to find evidence of those who are discriminating.

Speaking of which, your thinly-veiled criticism of the Obama administration will get you labeled racist here.

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Jason Colavito link
2/25/2013 12:33:11 am

I do not use the status quo as the benchmark for truth. You are mistaking my assertion that Wolter has the burden of proof to overcome the status quo for an unconditional acceptance of the same. In my own work, I have put forward arguments that have challenged the status quo and in so doing have had to assume the burden of proof--and take the criticism of skeptics.

Lisa C
2/25/2013 09:46:52 am

I am, of course, familiar with burden of proof. I also realize that Wolter may have an agenda of his own. He apparently believes something to be true, and looks for ways to prove it. I understand that may not be the best way to investigate. I do believe, however, that there are potentially important details about his findings. I am not a fanatic, conspiracy theorists, or anything else all that interesting. I just think there is a lot we don't know yet.

I am also not a political fanatic. I took one of those silly quizzes where a website determines your political orientation for a class. I took that, too, with a grain of salt. And although I tend to be slightly conservative fiscally, I am solidly in the Centrist column on most other issues. I am only of those weirdies who actually likes to (calmly) discuss both sides of a topic. However, we should NEVER gauge anything's validity on what the government spends tax dollars on. For instance, in the 1980s, Andres Serrano received a grant from The National Endowment of the Arts for the photograph Piss Christ. I'm not even Catholic, but I can't think of one reason why it would be necessary to pay someone for a photograph of a crucifix in a container of the "artist's" urine. I also don't equate tangible archaeological sites, however misinterpreted, with unicorns.
I can appreciate the sentiment behind your comment, but in an effort to disagree with me, you made yourself sound a little bit "out there, maaaaan." Smoke much? Unicorns. lol.

At any rate, I think you made a lot of assumptions about me. Firstly, I work in the medical field, not academia. As you might be aware, there are many reasons to get a doctorate. One specific example of a legitimate medical technique that is not utilized due to its lack of means to generate money would be a fecal matter transplant. It is, granted, quite disgusting. However, it has a 98% success rate in curing clostridium difficile. If we had ANYTHING that had a 98% success rate of curing any disease, don't you think we would embrace it? Absolutely not. Instead, we load up the patients with antibiotics, which were more than likely the cause of the illness in the first place. Another would be inhalation rewarming. You can rewarm a hypothermic patient using the heater on the ventilator (assuming there are already on one), a therapy they are already being charged for. Instead, we break out the Bair Hugger and charge them for that too. There are others, but I don't think it's necessary to list every one.

Lastly, I don't give two hoots about Obama or his administration. I was simply stating the fact that one group of people were attempting to perpetuate a story which was in direct opposition to the story being told by another group of people. I used that example only because it was so recent, not because of the people involved. If you want another example, we could surely discuss GW Bush's interpretation of the meaning of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" - weapons that were supposedly confirmed to be in specific locations and weren't. If you talk to Lincoln experts they will tell you a lot of reasons the Civil War was fought, and it wasn't all about slavery.
Science (and history) is often driven by the political climate surrounding it.

As for being a racist, I have been the minority in my group for my entire life up until a few years ago. I would also like to point out that everyone has biases. It is how you deal with them that makes you a racist or not. Those working in the medical field are required to attempt to acknowledge their biases and overcome them. Granted, this doesn't always happen effectively.

I try to take people for what they say, rather than what they did not say. I would appreciate if you would not try to read so far into my comments. I grew up in New York and do not have a problem with being direct. I either said something or I didn't. Try not to put so many words in my mouth - particularly ones that are so off base.

Finally, when I mentioned not "closing the case" I wasn't speaking directly to you, Jason. I realize this is your website, but I was making a general comment, not a focused one. I apologize if I phrased it in a way that made you take it personally. Frankly, I didn't realize who owned the site, as I followed a link from another link. I read ALL of the comments in this thread, not just yours. I was addressing the public in general - those that have already made comments and those that might in the future.

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Jason Colavito link
2/25/2013 09:57:29 am

I used unicorns because they have a long and storied tradition. Perhaps you are unaware that they appear in the King James Bible? There is a fascinating story behind unicorns; it was not a random suggestion.

You mention the fecal transplant, which is well-known, frequently reported, and available for those willing to pay. This is not the same as conspiring to prevent anyone from even being aware of its existence, which you accuse academia of doing. I do imagine that getting a doctorate does involve some schooling, or otherwise I have been sadly misinformed.

I have no idea what government funding has to do with evaluating America Unearthed, except for the fact that they take some.

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R. Schoor
3/4/2016 07:18:19 pm

Thank you so much for starting this post. I found it by doing a google search for scott wolter is an idiot, but he's a rich idiot.

Americanegro
9/2/2016 08:47:37 pm

Oh, Lisa. "Lastly, I don't give two hoots about Obama or his administration. I was simply stating the fact that one group of people were attempting to perpetuate a story which was in direct opposition to the story being told by another group of people."

You can't bring yourself to say "one group of people lied"? You might want to spend less time playing baseball about fishing.

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Lisa C.
2/25/2013 09:51:22 am

Oh and Lynn - I am still laughing about your karaoke comment. As the oh-so-eloquent Larry the Cable Guy said - "Now that's funny. I don't care who you are." = )

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Lisa C
2/25/2013 09:54:22 am

Oops, my "Lastly" in the 4th paragraph should be "Secondly"
Apparently I lost track of my seriation somewhere in there.

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Lisa C
2/26/2013 03:29:13 am

Jason,

You were the one who brought up government funding, not me. My comment was in reference to yours. 'If the standard is only "could be true," then why aren't we spending tax dollars hunting for unicorns?' My point was that you can't use government spending to gauge the validity of anything.

I was unaware of the unicorn references in the KJV. However, it would be important to note the context of the use of the word. The earliest known dictionary states unicorn is simply an animal with one horn. Two of the five species of rhinos have only one horn. The Bible references of unicorns mention "strength of a unicorn." I'm no great Biblical scholar, but it hardly seems they would be referencing a white, frilly horse with a horn. Also, the latin text uses unicornis and rinoceros, which are both references to the Asian One-Horned Rhino. Of course, if you have seen the new coloring book called "Unicorns are Jerks" then perhaps you could think that the Bible was mentioning a mythical creature. According to the coloring book, they can be super bitchy.

As for the FMTs. I have worked at 22 hospitals in 3 states. Not one of them has done one. Most of the FMTs performed in the US have been done by a handful of doctors. As for "available to those willing to pay" - you are also incorrect. The Infectious Disease MDs are not on board yet. I suppose a patient could travel to one of the few hospitals doing the procedure (such as the Mayo Clinic and some hospital in Rhode Island), but you would otherwise have to travel out of country. More than 3 million people get C. diff each year. I hardly think that a few doctors who have done about 100 FMTs each over the last five years are going to be able to fill the demand should many patients suddenly decide they want them. Also, there shouldn't be a lot of cost involved. It involves one person pooping in a container and placing that person's poop into the GI tract of another person via a tube. Last time I stooled, it didn't cost me anything. I don't know about you. Obviously the stool has to be tested, but in the scope of things, the tests are minimal. As for placing the stool in the GI tract, it can be done via colonoscopy, which would be the most expensive feature, but it can also be done with a simple enema or nasogastric/nasoduodenal tube. A nurse can have such a tube from the supply room and placed in the patient within a five minute period. Where is the great cost you are referencing? One round of Zosyn and/or Vancomycin costs much more and isn't nearly as effective. The "frequent reporting" you mention has only come about in light of a very recent study that tested the efficacy of the FMTs. They have been being performed for more than 50 years without much reporting at all.

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r. Schoor
3/4/2016 07:20:21 pm

Oh please we're down to unicorns now!

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Americanegro
9/2/2016 08:54:08 pm

"As for the FMTs. I have worked at 22 hospitals in 3 states." At age 29? Sounds like you're a job hopper, Lisa, or otherwise unreliable. Are you an Angel of Death?
"It has been used for over 100 years in veterinary medicine, and has been used regularly for decades in many countries as the first line of defense, or treatment of choice, for C. diff. It is customary in many areas of the world for a newborn infant to receive a tiny amount of the mother’s stool by mouth, thought to provide immediate population of good bacteria in the baby’s colon, thereby jump-starting the baby’s immune system.

Fecal transplant has been used in the U.S., sporadically since the 1950′s, without much regulation. It has gained popularity in the U.S. in the past few years, although experts estimate that total number of treatments to date in the U.S. remains below 500 patients.

In late spring of 2013, the FDA announced it was classifying fecal matter as both an Investigational New Drug (IND) and a Biologic, and that only physicians currently in possession of an approved IND application would be allowed to continue performing fecal transplant.

This resulted in less than 20 physicians in the U.S. being allowed to perform fecal transplant. There was a groundswell of opposition from physicians and patients, and on June 17th, 2013, the FDA reversed their position, and announced that qualified physicians could continue to perform FMT for recurrent C. diff. only, with signed consents from patients and tested donor stool."

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Ryan
3/1/2013 08:41:12 am

I am not a scientist but I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the Mayans spread out after they abandon their city the same way the Europeans did after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Where I sta draw the line is the claim that there were Eurpeans roaming the Arizona desert a thousand years ago. That seems to be something that would warrant some serious evidence. Common sense would say that it would be difficult/impossible for someone from Ireland to reach the western half of the North American continent 500 years before Christopher Columbus.

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Larry D
3/2/2013 07:51:16 am

I do watch this show, but have noticed as have many others that Mr Wolter picks and chooses the evidence he wants to focus on. He ignores what apparently doesn't fit his narrative. Instead of focusing on one particular symbol, or letter why isn't the whole inscription evaluated as a whole ? Why at least isn't it questioned just why any postulated people landing in the new world would trek thousands of miles inland through a wilderness to leave some relatively small trace of their passage ? Could it possibly have occurred ? Perhaps, but how likely ? Why are supposed carved texts seldom if ever deciphered by established accredited scholars who could put the entire message into context, and establish authenticity beyond a shadow of a doubt ? I could go on and on, but my point is that if Mr Wolters objective is to prove the objective authenticity of these various finds, and his assertion for their origins then he needs to do a more comprehensive analysis, and let the chips fall where they may. I am not against investigating such subjects, and indeed am intrigued by the possibility that we do not know all our history in fine detail. I would like to believe I have an open mind, however I want the investigation to be thorough, unbiased, with all aspects of a given find looked at in "total context" via recognized scholars who have no personal dog in the fight. I believe all around the world there are aspects of various archeological sites that just amaze us even today, and which do not receive the kind of recognition they ought to. However whatever site of archeological interest is found, where ever found needs to be investigated with complete integrity. If at the end of the day the find is found to be a fake then so be it. I say go into the investigation neither pro, nor con, and let the facts take you where they may.

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James Nichols
3/11/2013 05:01:27 pm

Obviously, Wolter would love for the show to be longer so that he could show us more of what actually goes on during his investigations. But TV is about money and sponsors. Producers don't care anything about the content of the show as long as it's making money.

Wolter is just trying to use what he has available in order to bring certain things to our attention. I believe he's doing his best. Someday you'll all say, "I knew it all along!".

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Pierre
3/11/2013 05:22:13 pm

If he only has 40 minutes per show, he should make the best out of it and stop showing him on the phone, driving around or sitting in his hotel room. And most of all he should stop saying stupid things and go to the point. If he had anything he wouldn't never say "what if", "could it be", "is it possible", He is the Homer Simpsons of science.

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Walter Sabo link
3/17/2013 02:41:26 pm

This show is a hoot. He is very sincere and the Newport towers was a challenge. It rained for the whole shoot. (It always rains there.) But the wacky part was that he didn't look at the key stone until he was there a week. Wouldn't he look at the key stone first? And then we go on a helicopter ride around the Statue of Liberty when photos of the statue are in almost every home.

As usual the "expert" who tagged along kept say, "Uh ok Scott but I think you're wrong." The expert is always right and Scott ignores him. I love this show. It's great entertainment.

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Walter Sabo link
3/17/2013 02:41:33 pm

This show is a hoot. He is very sincere and the Newport towers was a challenge. It rained for the whole shoot. (It always rains there.) But the wacky part was that he didn't look at the key stone until he was there a week. Wouldn't he look at the key stone first? And then we go on a helicopter ride around the Statue of Liberty when photos of the statue are in almost every home.

As usual the "expert" who tagged along kept say, "Uh ok Scott but I think you're wrong." The expert is always right and Scott ignores him. I love this show. It's great entertainment.

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Walter Sabo link
3/17/2013 02:41:41 pm

This show is a hoot. He is very sincere and the Newport towers was a challenge. It rained for the whole shoot. (It always rains there.) But the wacky part was that he didn't look at the key stone until he was there a week. Wouldn't he look at the key stone first? And then we go on a helicopter ride around the Statue of Liberty when photos of the statue are in almost every home.

As usual the "expert" who tagged along kept say, "Uh ok Scott but I think you're wrong." The expert is always right and Scott ignores him. I love this show. It's great entertainment.

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Walter Sabo link
3/17/2013 02:41:49 pm

This show is a hoot. He is very sincere and the Newport towers was a challenge. It rained for the whole shoot. (It always rains there.) But the wacky part was that he didn't look at the key stone until he was there a week. Wouldn't he look at the key stone first? And then we go on a helicopter ride around the Statue of Liberty when photos of the statue are in almost every home.

As usual the "expert" who tagged along kept say, "Uh okay Scott but I think you're wrong." The expert is always right and Scott ignores him. I love this show. It's great entertainment.

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Herald
5/1/2013 01:17:38 pm

The History Chanel [s] is just junk now! I'd rather go back and watch the overload of Hitler and WW2 programming than to watch the scripted crap like "America Unearthed" and "Pawn Stars".

I stumbled on to this site by searching for the credentials of Scott Wolter. He is just trying to get paid and someone is willing to do it, so I can't really blame him for that. He knows he is reaching and misleading. Ethics and self morality just does not matter to him or the History Channel and Chaska Herald [the show's production company).

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how to choose a good violin link
6/25/2013 05:03:49 pm

Actually i have never heard of this America Unearthed before and I never heard a review such as this right now. i am now curious on what it would be like and now thinking to at least grab a copy of it and will do further research.

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Trey
7/8/2013 11:40:55 pm

If anyone takes anything on cable television seriously these days were all in trouble. I dont take half the crap on the nightly news seriously. But if you want your kids to watch tell em to do their own research and not take every word as gospel. Also good exercise to do the same to their history books. I think the mind set of todays archeologists and historians is one of that America history is a done deal and cant be reexamined. Even recently in Bosnia with the pyramids.

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Pierre
7/9/2013 02:21:31 am

What you said made sense until you mentioned the pyramid in Bosnia. It has been proved as a scam as soon as whoever made the claim to them.

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Donovan
8/9/2013 04:19:43 pm

You talk like you know something, yet you deny everything with legitimate proof! Everything to you is a hoax, are you sure you were born on planet earth or is that a hoax, too? No wonder people that want to present the truth for what it is are disheartened by delusional people like you. No matter what solid proof there is you blow it off as illegitimate. As for these shows they are a joke, always hiding behind false assumptions and misrepresenting the proof, much like you do.
Yes the Mayans were in Georgia and they are of Israelite origin!
It is very Biblical about the people that populated the Americas. If you don't believe the Lord's Word, then my sympathies to you. Genesis 10 table of Nations Japheth are the Caucasian race(like your mug). Shem are the Orientals( the Native Americans) and Ham is black(African). Genesis 10:25 Heber had two sons Peleg and Joktan. Genesis 10:30 Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the various Chinese people. Peleg migrated to the mid east and became the Israelite people. They were strictly forbidden to intermarry with the people of the land, so to preserve their Oriental heritage. They fell into idolatry and in turn God exiled them to the four corners of the earth. Isaiah11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS of the earth.
What other people were dispersed to the four corners of the earth in ancient days? Alaska Native American, South American tip Native American, New Zealand Oriental Natives, Siberia Oriental Mongolian. They all originate from Shemitic peoples. What part don't you understand?

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Pierre
8/9/2013 06:15:39 pm

That's a lot of words to tell everybody that you are an idiot.
So you can quote from the bible (written by some 45 people, 200 years after the facts)
I will consider you dangerous from now on and take the appropriate step to give you a brain enema, or make sure you don't do them cheap drugs that make you the idiot that you are.
And if you don't do drug.....You're lost forever....no salvation is possible.

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Donovan
8/10/2013 06:44:47 am

Pierre, I'm sick and tired of all you sorry liars. The Word was written for the lost in order to receive salvation. Unfortunately not too many Japhethic people can accept the truth as I am finding out. Look in Strong's Concordance Japheth- expansion, now the root word is Pathah- allure, deceive, enlarge, entice, flatter, persuade, silly one.
Your people have been deceiving ever since Japheth popped his white translucent face into the world. You've been spreading lies with propaganda to divide and conquer since time immemorial. You can't threaten me you silly boy!

Jason Colavito link
8/9/2013 11:29:16 pm

The part where the Bible is somehow a guide to history.

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Donovan
8/10/2013 07:07:55 am

The so-called archaeologist keep referring back to the Bible. You notice they only give little tidbits of information? Seems to me they have a whole lot to hide.
The hoax of the ancient mummy supposedly with caucasian dna, all the whites we're jumping up and down with pride, Lol. They didn't even officially confirm the information, only racist trying to claim lineage to this ancient people. I know it's propaganda and others need to know the truth.
The ancient Egyptians during the time of Ramases were an Oriental Shemitic people. Their was no Whites ruling Egypt during that time. The Whites ursurped Egypt during the time of Alexander the Great. So Ramases and King Tutankhamen were Oriental Shemitic People. Just look at their their images, they left it for all posterity. They are neither White nor Black, they are Oriental Shemitic.

Brian F
8/17/2013 03:56:15 am

I do want to start off and say that America Unearthed is a hundred times better than Ancient Aliens. Why? Unearthed follows controversial evidence whereas AA blatantly lies about the evidence.

I am not saying the Wolter's methods are right and to protocol as it were; he is using scientific method to try and gain some evidence about some very controversial evidence of Precolumbian Contact. His credentials are a whole lot better than Tsoukalos's in AA (Tsoukalos has a degree in sports information and communication; a frigging sports commentator!).

One of my favorite episodes is the Michigan Copper episode. He was following an old article about an approximate 2 billion pounds of copper taken from the Great Lakes region that was written back in the 1960s. More scientific proof shows the number is a lot less than the article wrote. However, the fact of the matter is that there are several known Minoan boats had some copper lining that tested to have a purity only unique to Michigan copper. Hard to explain that.

I have to correct Wolter's intro cinematic; "America's past is wrong" should be changed to "America's past is incomplete." There is a lot about America we don't know and there could be artifacts that could definitively prove that Europeans or even Asians could have been in America long before Columbus and the Vikings; we just got to dig it up.

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Jason Colavito link
8/17/2013 04:01:22 am

Any smelted copper can be taken to the same level of purity, as standard textbooks on the subject confirm. There is no mystery to the purity question; only trace element comparison--which Wolter did not do--could confirm a connection.

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Mark W
8/22/2013 02:21:28 pm

I just watched my first and last episode of America Unearthed. It dealt with the lead crosses found in the desert outside of Tucson, AZ. I cannot believe that any reputable “scientist” would immediately jump to the conclusion that there is some conspiracy and that history needs to be rewritten.

I offer this…why not consider that at some point in the past, someone or somebodies traveled west with old European artifacts. Maybe they were waylaid by Native Americans or robbers. Maybe the artifacts were dropped accidentally and forgotten.

I guess such scenarios are too prosaic and not enough to generate interest with the show. How pathetic an episode. I just hope his son can see through the garbage and pseudo science…..

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Gene I
8/24/2013 11:41:55 pm

This overly sensationalized TV show is a disgrace to folks interested in real scientific critical analysis applied to the field of archaeology. However, it is entertaining and somewhat laughable to see how gullible some people can be chasing "Holy Grails" and encountering "knights who say Ni". I hear there's a hillside in New York that belches out magic golden plates with "ancient" inscriptions on them too, harhar! But hey, it's good that some weird sites with artifacts (most of which are probably FORGERIES or are genuine Native American artifacts) get highlighted as roadside attractions and/or entertainment oddities. People with rational minds and critically functioning brains realize this show is entertainment for laughs. The main problem I have with shows like this is that some ignorant people are going to be duped, and some kids are going to be misinformed and believe that this crap is really true. "Of course them Native American Injuns didn't do nuthin' much, little Jimmy, it must've been White Celtic Vikings or summethin' doin' all them carvings - ya see, their happy hunting ground was really our Valhalla all along 'cause there's no way they coulda come up with such ideas on their own!" The show Ancient Aliens craps on the whole human race, saying all of our human achievements are basically those of a superior alien race from across the universe. Unearthed America, on the other hand, seems to prefer to overlook the Native Americans in order to further promote notions of White Supremacy (through the barely veiled notion that "these United States were really White Man's land all along"). Way to relegate the first Americans to an archaeological reservation, History Channel! Disgraceful!! Hey, Scott and the History Channel folks: If you really want to do a good show on strange archaeological sites, please use real scientific critical analysis in your methods and presentation instead of all the wide-eyed gullible belief without sufficient evidence bullcrap, but then again, that might just be too much to ask of a channel that spins yarns about aliens building the pyramids to try and sell commercial space to "what if" history buffs who prefer fantasy to evidence-based reality. Or, at the very least, please rename your channel something more accurate like, "The Folklore Channel", or, "Folklore and People Digging Through Barns To Try And Find Old Crap To Sell Network".

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TB
9/2/2013 07:26:24 am

Be uneducated, it's easier to be entertained.

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Just_visitin
9/5/2013 12:56:30 am

Was it Mark Twain who said:
IF YOU DON'T READ THE NEWSPAPERS, YOU ARE UNINFORMED; IF YOU DO READ THE NEWSPAPERS, YOU ARE MISINFORMED????

I wonder if this holds true to the ISSUE under discussion????

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just me
11/28/2013 07:44:33 pm

I'm not saying I agree with everything on these types of shows and I don't think any person should. That being said, at some point every scientific/historical "fact" was doubted. Research was then done to prove or disprove those claims but, it was not done on a cable network. That seems to be the biggest problem everyone has with shows like this.

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Sheila
12/14/2013 07:10:27 pm

The show is a disappointment. PBS is still the place to go for educational programming. Scot Wolter is no Carl Sagan. As Dr. Sagan proved, a real scientist can also be an entertaining educator. The show seems to be directed at a grade school level of comprehension.

My signing up again for cable after a two year break in order to get the educational programing may have been a waste of money.

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walter sabo link
12/29/2013 02:04:48 am

I don't want education. I want entertainment. Scot Wolter ie
Sir Walter Scott. It's a show.

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John Scanlan link
12/24/2013 07:41:22 am

Didn't anyone catch Wolter's claim that Denver International Airport is the BUSIEST airport in America? This silly and clearly unfounded claim is enough to reject the entire show. Add in the fake phone calls and trumped up interviews and the show is complete nonsense.

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Jason Colavito link
12/24/2013 07:43:34 am

Feel free to visit my review page for America Unearthed S02E02 and see the lengthy discussion about the show's many errors! You can find the link by clicking the America Unearthed Reviews link on the right side of the page.

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Walter Sabo link
12/29/2013 02:02:27 am

Gang please remember ....his name is Scott Walters....ie

Sir Walter Scott. It's a show. It's like Al Capone's vault. Love the show.

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Walter Sabo link
12/29/2013 02:02:32 am

Gang please remember ....his name is Scott Walters....ie

Sir Walter Scott. It's a show. It's like Al Capone's vault. Love the show.

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Walter Sabo link
12/29/2013 02:03:15 am

Gang please remember ....his name is Scott Walters....i.e.:

Sir Walter Scott. It's a show. It's like Al Caponne's vault. Love the show.

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J. Lone Eagle link
12/29/2013 04:20:33 am

I watched the episode dealing with the Grand Canyon and the supposition fifty thousand Egyptians immigrated to this site and lived died and buried in caves their dead.
Bunk!!! The bands that have made this area and farther their ancestral home have written or drawn in stone and sand, NOTHING!!!! of these peoples. Regarding the artifacts made of lead thet were casts of original gold artifacts found at a So. Illinois cave. Bunk!!! Today computers and soft ware create any image or three-d article called upon to duplicate from pictures or any other manner.
Though I have watched many of Wolters programing and agree with in part possibilities of some theories, this one NOPE!!!. Scott, get back on trac and go back to, Templar theories. Native Americans have written the history and future in sand and stone, what was and will be for this land the white man stole and polluted. You sir pollute it by your theory.

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J. Lone Eagle link
12/29/2013 06:32:50 am

It is a fact when this influx to North America by Egyptians was to have occurred, the land of what was to become Egypt was ruled by the Nubia. The Nubians were today's black folk of the Middle East A.K.A. Africa. So we native bands did not see or notice in any manner black skin peoples in caves and the canyon? Does anyone see or think how ridiculous this concept of thought is? Scott?

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Jason Colavito link
12/29/2013 06:34:31 am

If you'd like to discuss the Grand Canyon episode, may I please direct you to my review of that episode, posted today (12/29/13)? There is already a lively discussion going on there.

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J.Lone Eagle link
12/29/2013 09:17:57 am

Jason, I would like very much to discuss the Grand Canyon episode with you or anyone, whether pro or con. You may not care for my views of his(Scotts) theories over all, related to what transpired on these lands prior to permanent settlement of and by Europeans. Permanent being the key to any discussion.

Jason Colavito link
12/29/2013 09:22:26 am

You're welcome to join in here: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2013/12/review-of-america-unearthed-s02e05-grand-canyon-treasure.html

J.Lone Eagle link
12/29/2013 10:26:38 pm


J. Lone Eagle link
12/29/2013 12:20pm

I watched the episode dealing with the Grand Canyon and the supposition fifty thousand Egyptians immigrated to this site and lived died and buried in caves their dead.
Bunk!!! The bands that have made this area and farther their ancestral home have written or drawn in stone and sand, NOTHING!!!! of these peoples. Regarding the artifacts made of lead thet were casts of original gold artifacts found at a So. Illinois cave. Bunk!!! Today computers and soft ware create any image or three-d article called upon to duplicate from pictures or any other manner.
Though I have watched many of Wolters programing and agree with in part possibilities of some theories, this one NOPE!!!. Scott, get back on trac and go back to, Templar theories. Native Americans have written the history and future in sand and stone, what was and will be for this land the white man stole and polluted. You sir pollute it by your theory.
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J. Lone Eagle link
12/29/2013 2:32pm

It is a fact when this influx to North America by Egyptians was to have occurred, the land of what was to become Egypt was ruled by the Nubia. The Nubians were today's black folk of the Middle East A.K.A. Africa. So we native bands did not see or notice in any manner black skin peoples in caves and the canyon? Does anyone see or think how ridiculous this concept of thought is? Scott?

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Actongue
12/31/2013 04:38:11 am

Interesting Discussion on this page
I find the show interesting and Intriquing

My take on the series is that its main purpose is not to say " This is the way it is" but instead to make one Question what we are told like Scott says during the show.


We Know that Columbus was not the First here, we know the Vikings were the first in Canada and that it is highly unlikely they did not go further South There is also some evidence they made it to South America

The Vikings were well Known, respected and feared throughout the Mediterranean and employed as Mercenaries

Remember to not take it at face value, but Instead to use it as a tool to question the possibilities

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Actongue
12/31/2013 04:41:54 am

So if the Vikings were the first known to appear in the Western Hemisphere from the old world, it is quite likely others were here at some point before them, or after and before Columbus

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J.Lone Eagle link
12/31/2013 05:41:47 am

Getting back to this last segment of the 50 grand in the Grand. I will say again The bands(Hopi,Havasupai, Navajo, Apache and other high desert and plains tribes have it NOT in their lore or depictions, The Egyptians were NOT THERE in the Canyon. I do not understand that this issue is still being discussed, written or talked further. NOT!!!!

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john
1/3/2014 07:16:36 am

scott is just an actor, trying to make a buck by creating conversations like this.he could give a dam about facts or real history or the people he hurts along the way....its all about the buck$$$$$$$....if people stopped watching this crap, people like him would go away.

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Pierre
1/3/2014 07:26:32 am

Scott will never go away. He will end-up growing a beard and join Duck Mindlessly and continue the dumbing down of America.
He's half way there by being a quack.

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Netai Raean feather
1/4/2014 02:10:48 am

The Egyptiand (Kemetians ) in the Grand Canyon thor makes sense if you read Dr. Ivan Van Sertima or some of David Hatcher Childress books. This was the Egypt of the West.

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Jason Colavito link
1/4/2014 02:13:21 am

Neither Childress nor Van Sertima should be trusted. Both used bad information with little factual support.

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Netassi Raven feather
1/4/2014 02:20:03 am

My apologies for the error sent abouve! The Egyptians (Kemetians ) in the Grand Canyon theory makes sense if you read Dr. Ivan Van Sertimas "They Came Before Columbus or some of David Hatcher Childress books. This was the Egypt of the West. http://davidhatcherchildress.com/. I am not too keen on how Wolter edits out history blatantly and some of the comments on his show about "Native Americans" not having metal??? Which Native American? Which tribes? Each tribe (and just dealing within the United States- I dont even have to use Canada, Mexico or South America)Each tribe has a very different culture, way of dress, and housing from brick to tepees, to wooden longhouses. Some were abundant in welding gold and copper and this was hundreds of years before Columbus. The Montauk indiands are different from the Apache, The Cherokee are different from the Navajo, The Shinnecock are different from the Washitaw, the chocktaw are different from the Lacota. When saying "Native Amerian whe Wolter (and some of his guest) when they clearly know which tribe is in the area is an isult. The five civilized tribes were only the ones who deceided to act and mingle with the colonists, but even they did not divulge all of their ancient places. The ones they do know about the lie and cover it up!

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J.Lone Eagle link
1/4/2014 03:12:41 am

Bunk science Scott!!!!

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Toni
1/25/2014 01:53:26 pm

It seems that everything has to point back to Europe.... I'm not Ok with how the evidence is given.... He shows his biase very well. I wonder does he know people have lived here in the "US" prior to all the Europen visitors?

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william
1/26/2014 02:20:47 am

I do not agree with all that Scott reports, and I do not have the confidence that he does in all that he shares on the show.

However, he has made me think and also begin to look at history as an "uncertain." For many years, history in the "history books" has changed over time.

Also, I cannot remark on the many alternate scientific facts and theories that have been discussed in the previous comments. I have no intense study in the field.

As an average viewer with a real lack of background in many of the subjects he has reported on, I know that he is off base with many. "Common sense?" Not sure.

However, he has made me think. If others in the scientific world would join Scott in the many of the areas he is researching - rather than attacking with accepted history - maybe something concrete might be found.

This is my 2 cents. I am attempting to find a balance between the "absolutely NO" and the current claims that Scott has made via science.

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Jeff Popplewell
2/1/2014 01:15:44 pm

Like most of the critical thinkers who have posted, I occasionally watch some of this stuff merely for the cinematography of exotic sites and take the information proffered with monumental grains of salt. But, then again, as Churchill observed, "History is written by the victors", and I may momentarily ponder anomalies if academia has taken a rigid stance.

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JerryJ
2/20/2014 05:36:45 am

Real history can be boring, yet truthful and interesting but still boring. Scott and crew have great acting skills, to the extent of embellishing some truths. I'm sure there might be some truth to the stories told but I think much of it is hogwash.

I find that at the end of each episode it seems to be a cliff hanger. I'm always left thinking at the end: "um is that it?" No evidence, no proof, no substance and only probabilities. That's not scripted reality?
The most recent show that I saw was when about the Free Mason factors in Washington DC. About symbols hidden in plain site was seen on Brad Meltzer's Decoded. Brad Meltzer's show was another one with a twist. Three people surfing the country for truth on stories. I loved the professor always jotting notes down. Most of what was being asked/answered could have been found in books, because most of what was sought is older than existing people know about.
Both shows are clever by hiding the show's BS.

I still watch Scott's show but only because of curiosity. Another one also is the Curse of Oak island. Too much wasted time with editing and funky graphics. Producers are always shaving time off a show so to run more commercial time, yet they add these ridiculous graphics to somehow entice the 12 year old mentality viewer

History and H2 tend to run the good stuff as well as the crap
Buyer beware

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Bonjing
2/20/2014 10:34:30 am

Problem with Scott Wolther is, he seems to make so-called "scientific" conclusions and declarations even way before he can even present any sort of real evidence that supports it. It's also disturbing to hear him lace his theories with intrigue by suggesting that some sort of government "conspiracy" exists to keep him and other people that believe these ridiculous theories to reveal how supposedly pre-Colombian European peoples "discovered" the new world before the Asian crossed the ice age land bridges between Alaska and Russia... while ridiculously glamorizing their theories by tossing in the Templars and the Holy Grail into the mix.... Really Mr. Wolther???, Templars hiking around the hot, arid western deserts and canyons in America, searching for a cave or hole in the ground to hide it??....really??!....
Heck, Scott might as well be looking for Big Foot and the Sasquatch ....Or better yet, hunt for ghosts with the Ghost Hunters. He might have better luck in finding "real" evidence doing so....
I think that these so-called reality shows presented by networks like the History Channel is slowly but surely causing the "dumbing down" of society for the sake of ratings and sensationalism, and it will be good for people to be informed that shows like "Unearthing America" is just mostly crap, not worth anyone's time....

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JerryJ
2/20/2014 03:19:08 pm

looks like we're both on the same page. I often wondered if these realities ever decided to clean up their act, even if only one show at a time to provide some reality. I wonder too, how they expect ratings when they do 'dumb things down' That turns me off. and when viewers are turned off they go elsewhere. Wouldn't it be nice to see truth in some of these shows?

We know that rating equal dollars. so, in essence it's the almighty dollar that means more than truth. But we all know that some people just need the entertainment and not worry about truth.

The old story. A guy goes to the doctor and tells the doctor what his problem is by self diagnosing. The doctor asks. "how do you know this?" the guy says I read it on the internet... okay we spend 7 years in med school. you spend 7 minutes surfing and now you're a pro?...right !!!!

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Rémi Dallaire
4/15/2014 01:00:21 pm

OMG !!! Complain complain complain. Bitch bitch piss piss moan moan.

The truth here the truth there. Scientific not scientific. Dramatic not dramatic enough. It's just for rating and blah blah blah blaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.

You know what ? I am happy that Scott is so entertaining because if not we would not get such type of shows available,

And y'all keep this in mind.

NONE of the written history is completly truth.....None of it because there was always written by someone with a specific propaganda gain.

So stop bithcing get some popcorn sit down and enjoy.

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Stephanie Boney
8/14/2014 03:03:57 am

Swamp Mammoth episode was great and just recently they have found more evidence that Solutreans could have been in us first. So....I like the show its fun and interesting
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fisherman-pulls-beastly-evidence-early-americans-135831893.html

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waltersabo
1/6/2015 02:39:56 am

This show is fun and often funny. He makes you think and that's good. They give lots of dramatic pause time to allow for thinking.

The best is that the show always flies Scott to an exotic expensive location like, say, Paris where he just needs to talk to someone. The conversation could always have happened in a phone call, but Scott, being a scientist has to go. Yes I love the show

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Joe S
1/11/2015 02:20:42 pm

Scott's shows are pure entertainment devoid of any hint of the scientific method. If there were an Olympic event for jumping conclusions, Scott would be a gold medal winner.

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Macca
1/16/2015 08:12:56 pm

Most rediculous garbage I have ever seen, No evidence at all.
Almost proves what other countries say, Arrogant Americans.
It's like, Merica the centre of the universe!
Next they will be saying Caesar is buried in Wyoming, Thanks to a fake planted roman coin.
This show is worse than ancient aliens, These shows should be sued for fraud and the people that own the to networks should also be held accountable. Putting these shows on History channel is disgraceful, people expect some proper history not pseudo science. By all means show it on some other "entertainment" channel but not on history or science channels! No wonder the human race is becoming more stupid with shows like this, anything to make a quick buck. The tv producers need to produce content to fill in the hundreds of channels, hence why we get bullshit reality shows and fake history.
Don't be surprised if next season they claim Alexander the Great discovered Merica then built some pyramid so that aliens could recharge their spaceships. Because no doubt Bill Burnes and George from ancient aliens will be in on it.
I am not even educated and can clearly smell the bs a mile away!
I think these shows are doing more harm than good and hindering real science.

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James Smith link
1/24/2015 01:42:57 pm

The show is typical of most of the garbage on the history channel anymore. They always start off their statements with "what if". It would be great to find a program that actually bassed on fact instead of fiction.

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doreen dillon
2/5/2015 10:16:06 am

this program is so full of feca matter, i hope scott wolter can go thru it and find something to put in his bank account that has meaning.

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Rodger Lee
3/4/2015 04:02:57 pm

This Wolter guy is so full of shite I can smell it through my TV. The fact that people believe him supports my view that humanity's greatest flaw is it's rampant gullibility. P.T. Barnum was right.

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John M Jensen Jr link
9/13/2015 03:05:50 pm

Jason,

Your castigation of David Thornton via Scott Wolter is not only disrespectful to David, but is done within the framework of you not even knowing who he is, and what he represents in indigenous American history. Otherwise you would have taken your assault out on less credible and less beloved historians.

I would take David's word on a matter relating to Amerind culture and associations before almost any other native born historians. He does not lend his name, knowledge, skill and talents to any activity that would bring discredit to himself or his values-beliefs, his people, or other peoples of native culture. I am certain, that like most other native historians, David always presents materials as he understands that material to be in as accurate a manner as he possibly can. Regardless of who's pet horse it may gore. :-

The fact that you and your followers think Scott Wolter is less than genuine is your opinion. But if Wolter takes the time to engage David Thornton, he is talking to one of the most knowledgable and respected native historians in this country, which means by definition that Scott Wolter is at least trying to get at the data using the best and most credible minds in the business. At least give him credit for that.

Last, the TV show does not survive if it does not put butts in seats. That is how advertising is sold. Numbers of viewers per episode. Period. So all TV, from the cheapest kids show on Sat.Morn to the drive time blockbusters are made up of content that is parsed to sell tickets. That hasn't got anything to do with Scott Wolter, but has everything to do with the Network or Company that produces and delivers the content. If you were smart enough to be doing it, you would be. There is no such thing as "truth" in media. There is NO truth in News, very little in Sports, and none in Politics. Science as a whole is just as guilty as Brian Williams of stretching "truth" to fit their own agenda. But you don't touch on any of that. For example, why is it that Dr. Schweitzer of North Carolina State has NEVER C-14 (AMS) tested the T-Rex hind limb that was found to contain "elastic colagen and hemoglobin elements"? Science won't even discuss that find, or the more than 360 c-14 tests world wide on non fossilized dinosaur bones. The list is endless, and I could provide you with another 40 or so blatant examples of other Science disciplines hiding evidence that conflicts with the current incremental evolution standards
taught today as "truth". It isn't truth, and more importantly, it isn't even accurate. But folks like you are shills for that sad state of affairs.

Act like a grown human being, and apologize to David Thornton for damage you are doing to his reputation and character. He, at least has that coming.

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jim Lone Eagle link
9/13/2015 04:29:48 pm

Whoever replied to my comment that was just the quote of another poster. It appeared multiple times by mistake, it should have been once. To be chastised for this B.S.
My disagreement with Scott is his take on the Egyptian inhabiting the Grand Canyon area thousands of years ago.
David Thorton? F him I don't know hin read hum or even car for him in any manner. My E-mail was to be private and I don't appreciate you using it to harass me. STOP!!

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Frank Caridi
11/17/2016 01:20:53 pm

First off I am not an archaeologist or hold any kind of scientific degree. Having said that, I always find annoying when people who do hold degrees treat me as stupid and that I know should know better because it's written in a history book. Imagine, people thought Galileo when he challenged what was supposedly common knowledge in his time.
Shows like Ancient Alliens and America Unearthed should at the VERY least make people question what main stream history has written.
Scott Wolter is not a Holywood actor. Probably because he didn't to go to acting school. He has presented some compelling things that often don't jive with what is in history books, but to discount him perhaps say he's a conspiracy theorist....that to me is a juvenile comment.
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