As with last week, a historical review is necessary to understand where America Unearthed went so terribly wrong. If you know the history of the Newport Tower, you can skip to the episode review, but I recommend reading since there are some interesting tidbits below that even I didn’t know until I started researching the Tower. The Newport Tower is more famous as a ruin than it ever was as a working building. A nearly-circular tower supported on eight not-quite equal arches, the ruins of the tower site in a park in Newport, Rhode Island, where they failed to much excite anyone’s attention from the time of the building’s construction down to 1839 when the first “alternative” theories emerged. The known facts about the Newport Tower can be summarized rather simply. The first record of the tower comes in the will of Gov. Benedict Arnold, colonial governor of Rhode Island in the mid-seventeenth century, just four decades after the settlement of Rhode Island, previously inhabited by Native Americans. On December 24, 1677, he described it in his will as marking the place where he wished to be buried, on a “parcel of land containing three rods square on or near the line or path from my dwelling house leading to my stone built windmill in ye town of Newport.” He died the next spring, on June 19. His will remained public record (escaping British destruction of Newport’s records in 1779) and was widely consulted by antiquarians down the centuries. Arnold left the mill to his daughter, Freelove Arnold Pelham, along with warehouses, a mansion, and a farm. Freelove tried to bequeath the land to her children, but her brother successfully sued for control in 1730, arguing that a woman was not allowed to decide how to dispose of real estate under English law. At no time did anyone mention, describe, or refer to the stone wind mill as anything else, and neither child of Arnold expressed the least doubt that the mill had been built by their father. It continued to be described as a windmill throughout the eighteenth century in colonial and early Republican documents. In 1836, a magazine called Penny Magazine from Britain included an illustration of the Chesterton Windmill, a 1632 stone-built windmill in Chesterton, England, that is remarkably similar to the Newport Tower in size, shape, and design. It was located close to where some of the colonists at Newport had once lived in England, including George Lawton. This Lawton lived less than twenty miles from the Chesterton mill before coming to the colony, where he became the go-to man for designing windmills. In fact, tower-shaped windmills had increased markedly in popularity in England between the thirteenth and seventeenth centuries; when the colonists came to Rhode Island in the years after 1638, it only made sense that their mill would take the form of the latest (and therefore best) in English style. Between the 1630s and the 1730s, no one doubted that the Newport Tower was exactly what everyone could see it was: A functioning windmill. Things began to change when it was used as a powder magazine and subsequently fell into disrepair. Left as a ruin, it sparked the romantic interest of local residents, who saw in it an analog to the romantic stone ruins of Europe, then a popular subject in engravings and paintings. America, having few ruins of its own, had to make do with what it had; in 1777, the Tower featured in a quite romantic pastoral painting, serving the same purpose as a castle keep in European art. Nevertheless, down to 1838, no one batted an eye at the idea that this building—which had been functional in living memory—was a windmill. This is especially surprising, for had it truly been a Pre-Columbian, Continental European church, as later claimed, it would have been a great piece of propaganda during the Revolution, a symbol tying the new United States to its greatest ally, France—the very home of the Knights Templar—and cutting at Britain’s legal and moral right to sovereignty. And yet the Freemasons in the new American government—those supposed heir to the Templars—said nothing about it. Archaeologists have conducted several excavations around the tower (notably in 1948 and 2006-2008) and have found no artifacts predating the seventeenth century. In 1848, an analysis of the mortar found that it matched other mortars from area buildings of the 1640s. In 1984, radiocarbon testing tied the Tower to the seventeenth century. So where did the alternative view come from? I’m glad you asked. In 1820s, the Danish antiquarian Carl Christian Rafn became convinced, based on his readings of medieval literature, that the Norse had crossed the Atlantic and that the Vinland of the Norse sagas had been a real place. This inspiration was in fact true, as the 1960 excavation of L’anse-aux-Meadows in Newfoundland would prove, but it was still a contested idea in the 1820s. To prove his case, Rafn decided to gather together every possible scrap of evidence that the Norse had been in the Americas. But he didn’t know about climate change or that Newfoundland had once been warm enough to grow grapes—the vín or “wine” in Vinland—during what we now call the Medieval Warm Period. So he aimed too far south and assumed the Vikings had colonized what is now New England, the northernmost place known in those days to be capable of sustaining viniculture. To that end, he tried to assemble the best available evidence of Viking occupation in 1831 in the Antiquitates Americanae, a monumental book written in Latin. Some of it would turn out to be right, and a lot of it would be wrong; among the wrong material were ambiguous petroglyphs (like the Dighton Rock) he thought were Norse runes. Americans devoured the book and went looking for “proof” of Norsemen in America. No “hooked-x” rune stones were known in those days, despite every effort to find Norse runes in America. This is a pretty good indication that many of the so-called “rune stones” were fabricated much later. Rafn’s enthusiasm had gotten the better of him. He began corresponding with New England antiquarian societies for information about “Norse” artifacts. In May of 1839, Thomas H. Webb, M.D. wrote to Rafn with exciting new information. Webb, an ardent bibliophile and one of the founders of MIT’s library, wondered whether the Newport Tower was not what all agreed it was—a mill—but something else. He based this on his own erroneous belief that no round windmill had ever been built of stone, and therefore a stone building of that size and shape had to be something more important. As we have seen, stone mills of this type were well known in England. Webb made a description of the tower and asked Frederick Catherwood, the artist best known for his romantic images of the Maya ruins, to draw some images of it to send to Rafn. These images were highly romantic, and they made the Tower look much more regular and finished than the actual rough-hewn building really is. “The drawings sent may be relied upon as accurate in all essential particulars,” Webb told Rafn. From that false assertion and the romantic imagery, Rafn spun a fantastic tale. He compared the shape of the Tower to Cistercian baptisteries, and he suggested that the arches were Romanesque and therefore medieval. Since he had never been to America, his evidence was nothing more than a superficial similarity between Catherwood’s romanticized drawing of the Tower and selected elements of Northern European architecture. There was nothing more to it than that. He published his ideas in an English-language Supplement to the Antiquitates Americanae in 1839. (I have published Rafn’s entire text here, its first republication since 1839. That’s because, unlike America Unearthed, I want you to read the primary sources.) Henry Wadsworth Longfellow as impressed, including the Norse origin of the Tower in the “Skeleton in Armor.” Articles and books for and against the Norse hypothesis proliferated in the late nineteenth century, with historians often expressing bafflement at the diffusionists who insisted that a windmill was a church or a lookout tower. In 1942, the archaeologist Philip Ainsworth Means, working backward from the conclusion, tried to “prove” that the tower was of Norse origin, though his evidence was faulty. But in time the Norse were no longer interesting enough. Several people tried to claim that the Tower was built by the Portuguese, but on no better evidence. Gavin Menzies claimed that the Chinese built it, but his claim that the tower matched Chinese architecture of the fifteenth century held no water. Finally, Andrew Sinclair decided in 1992’s The Sword and the Grail that the Tower must have been built by Henry Sinclair at the head of a voyage to America by medieval Scottish Knights Templar. But his evidence was nothing of the sort. The claim derives from the infamous Zeno map and narrative—a fifteenth century hoax that claimed that Venetians had discovered a series of unexplored but occupied lands in the North Atlantic in the 1380s. In the story, the Zeno brothers of Venice meet a mysterious king of an Atlantic island, and his name was Zichmni. Zichmni eventually founds a colony in Greenland. In 1780 John Reinhold Forster speculated that Zichmni was a corruption of “Sinclair,” and because Zichmni had defeated Norway in 1380 while Sinclair had won a battle and had Norway make him an earl that year, they had to be one and the same. No one in Forster’s day thought much of the theory, and the exposure of the Zeno Map as a hoax in the 1890s sealed its fate, at least until the modern era when any half-formed “fact” from the nineteenth century could be passed off as “suppressed” truth from a heroic generation of Victorian scholars. (I've posted the whole of the Zeno narrative here so you can judge for yourself.) Andrew Sinclair picked up Forster’s admitted speculation, ran with it as truth, and declared the Tower to be Templar. And the entire thing started because Carl Rafn had a good idea, pursued it beyond the facts, and speculated without warrant from Catherwood’s romanticized drawing about superficial similarities. And that’s how we come to this episode of America Unearthed, which demonstrates far less understanding of the source material than the brief sketch I just provided, but is much more confident in its ignorant assessment than either Webb, Rafn, or Forster ever were. The EpisodeAmerica Unearthed S01E12 “America’s Oldest Secret” begins with a summary of last week’s episode before opening with a staged scene of show host Scott Wolter dramatically peering over Gerardus Mercator’s 1569 world map with a large magnifying glass intercut with shots of the Newport Tower digitally altered in post production with a teal filter. The camera focuses in on the word “Norombega,” better known as Norumbega, a legendary settlement in New England, first recorded in the sixteenth century, but which is widely believed to be a figment of European geographical imagination, like Antillia and Brasilia. In 1542, French explorer Jean Allefonsce found what he described as the inhabitants of Norumbega: The river is more than 40 leagues wide at its entrance and retains its width some thirty or forty leagues. It is full of Islands, which stretch some ten or twelve leagues into the sea. ... Fifteen leagues within this river there is a town called Norombega, with clever inhabitants, who trade in furs of all sorts; the town folk are dressed in furs, wearing sable. ... The people use many words which sound like Latin. They worship the sun. They are tall and handsome in form. The land of Norombega lie high and is well situated. (trans. B. F. Decosta) As with the case of the “Welsh” Indians, this report appears to be a case where a European explorer, unable to speak a Native tongue, heard in it what he wanted to hear, just as the Greeks misunderstood the Median word yazona to be a reference to their hero Jason (Iason). In fact, Norumbega, originally Oranbega, is an Algonquian word referring to quiet waters. Only much later, in the nineteenth century, did this geographical anomaly become tied to the Vikings, after Rafn’s claims, and for the same reason: ignorance of the Medieval Warm Period led to placing Vinland far too far to the south on the assumption grapes could only grow in lower latitudes. Oddly, Wolter ignores Norumbega all together and never mentions it once in the episode. After the credits, we travel to the Newport Tower in Rhode Island, which Wolter called one of America’s “biggest mysteries.” He asserts that the Tower is constructed of “thousands of intricately placed stones,” though this is highly deceptive since any stone construction of the seventeenth century also features “intricately placed stones,” a prerequisite for creating a stable stone structure. He also asserts that “nobody knows who built” the Tower, “or when, or why,” though as described above, this is only the case if one discounts the entire historical and archaeological record from Gov. Benedict Arnold down to the 2008 excavations, which, of course, Wolter does. He never mentions any of the historical record in the episode, another instance of failing to play fair with the facts. Wolter asserts that the Tower cannot be a windmill because he believes that it looks nothing like “colonial architecture,” again discounting the clear analog with the Chesterton windmill, as well as other stone-built colonial structures. That said, he also failed to recognize stone-built spring houses as colonial, so it is entirely possible that he has no knowledge of colonial buildings. At no point in the episode is even a hint of the known historical record of the Tower mentioned. Over some previously-filmed footage of recreations of the Knights Templar, Wolter summarizes their history and his idea that the Holy Grail came to America with the Templars after their order was suppressed following the French raid of 1307. Interestingly, while the previous episode made the Grail into the Bloodline of Christ, in this episode it is reintroduced only as the Cup of Christ from the Last Supper, with only a hint that it may have “symbolized” something more. Once again, Wolter offers a scoffing reference to “academics” who are butting heads with Our Hero in his quest to find the Holy Grail. He meets with one such academic, Jim Egan, the curator of the Newport Tower Museum. Egan does not believe that the tower was a windmill; instead, he thinks it is the first English structure in Rhode Island, built just before 1600 and later converted into a windmill, based, again, on the fact that it simply doesn’t look like a windmill to him. He believes that Dr. John Dee planned a secret colony for Rhode Island, that the Tower was its first building, and that the colony failed, leaving behind, conveniently, no trace of its existence archaeologically or historically. In fact, Egan produced a video naming the tower the “John Dee Tower of 1583,” for which there is not the slightest hint of solid evidence. However, he is certain that it is not medieval in date. Wolter asserts that the Newport Tower is “exactly identical to what they built in the twelfth century” because of the “equally spaced” pillars, round centerpiece, and (missing) “ambulatory.” The pillars are not equally spaced but are in fact irregular. There is no evidence of a stone ambulatory as shown in the computer reconstruction (though some possible post holes uncovered in 2008 suggest there may have been a wooden structure around the tower at some point). Worse, there is nothing “exactly identical” to the Tower among the medieval churches of Europe. Even Carl Christian Rafn, the very first to make this connection, could turn up none that exactly matched; he could only talk of how elements of the Tower resembled elements from various medieval buildings. He compared the arches from Romanesque churches, but the round shape of various churches without arches; none had all of the elements in the tower in the same organization and order. The closest he could come was an octagonal structure at Mellifont Abbey in Ireland, but which is significantly different in construction, ornamentation, and design. The only European building that is almost “exactly identical” is the Chesterton windmill. Wolter, however, merely asserts that “identical” European churches existed, but in his very next sentence backtracks and instead suggests only that such churches merely “incorporate” “elements” also found in the Newport Tower, contradicting his own assertion (and computer reconstruction) of ten seconds previous. It becomes very obvious his material is derived from secondhand summaries of Rafn’s 1839 speculation when he cites Mellifont Abbey and the Danish round churches of Bornholm, both key pieces of Rafn’s evidence. They don’t look the same, or even close. He claims that the Tower is an “exact duplicate” of Cambridge Round Church, which it is not. Cambridge Round Church has a stone ambulatory, and the Tower does not. Cambridge Round Church has an arched clerestory triforium, and the Tower does not. The Church has ornately carved capitals on its columns, and the Tower has no capitals. During the period when the Templars supposedly came to America to build the Tower, the Round Church had already been significantly altered from its original design, having had a chancel and aisle added, a full century earlier. (The Church as seen today was rebuilt in the 1840s based on assumptions at that time about its original design—that’s why in 1839 Rafn didn’t think anything of it.) The Tower has no evidence of an aisle. In sum, the resemblances are entirely superficial. Wolter next asserts that Geradus Mercator’s 1569 world map depicts the Newport Tower. What we see is nothing of the sort. We see Norumbega and Mercator’s symbol for a settlement, a pair of towers connected by a wall, the small number of towers representing the small size of the settlement, as reported by Allefonsce. It is no different than the symbols for other settlements around the world, all drawn in the same Renaissance style no matter the culture or age, or actual architecture. Here, for example, are even closer approximations of the Tower, only these represent cities on the edge of the Sahara desert in Western Africa—a place where no such European-style round tower ever existed. It’s just Mercator’s map symbol, not a secret drawing spirited back from America by the Templars. There is therefore no evidence that Mercator depicted the Tower, and an edited sound byte from Egan shows that Egan recognizes that this is but a map symbol. A huge problem with this segment is that Wolter never discusses the myth of Norumbega, clearly referenced on the map, making it seem unclear to viewers why Mercator would have a settlement in Rhode Island at such an early date.
Wolter next asserts that his special training in geology gives him an advantage because “I know rocks.” But he uses none of that knowledge of geology, instead saying that the shape of the rocks was symbolically important, a question of history, not geology. Egan and Wolter both claim that the Tower has significant astronomical alignments because on the winter solstice, at an unspecified time during the day, the sun shines through the west “window” and illuminates a stone on the opposite wall, which Egan thinks is important because the “Mesopotamian” symbol for Easter was the “egg,” the shape of the rock hit by the sun. Of course, the rock isn’t really egg-shaped—it’s only very roughly egg shaped, with many irregular edges—nor is the winter solstice associated with Easter or its predecessors, the spring festivals. It’s also unclear to me how this “alignment” would have been visible when the Tower was a complete “church” with a presumably finished interior. (The windmill would have had a floor that would have almost certainly blocked the sunlight from reaching the egg stone.) Wolter also believes that the structure has an alignment to Venus. En route we get a call back to last week’s episode where Wolter gawked at Paul Roberti’s magnetic rock called cumberlandite when Wolter finds that a local magnetic rock was incorporated into the Tower! Big deal. The Tower was built out of local rocks. What a shock. An irrelevant search for more cumberlandite in the wild follows. Wolter asserts that cumberlandite is known as the “Stone of Venus,” but I can find no evidence that anyone other than Wolter uses that term to describe it. In Greek and Roman times the emerald was the Stone of Venus, and in Kabala it is the amethyst. The only other reference I could find was to old claims that the magnetic iron stone at the corner of the Kaaba in Mecca, believed to be meteorite, used to be called the Stone of Venus in pagan times. But for Wolter, his assertion that the cumberlandite was known as the Stone of Venus is proof that it is tied to Cistercian and Templar symbolism of the divine female in the heavens, symbolized by the planet Venus. This claim appears only with Alan Bulter (remember him?), who recently asserted that the Templars and Cistercians worshiped the “sacred feminine” by secretly perpetuating an ancient goddess-based religion. There is no earlier connection to Venus in the literature, so far as I was able to tell, outside of ancient astronaut, diffusionist, and Holy Bloodline writers. Wolter next confuses the Templars and the Cathars. The Templars were never accused of believing in the equality of men and women; that was the Cathars, a completely different group of medieval heretics, persecuted from 1208 to 1325. The all-male Templars were actually accused of being homosexuals who worshiped a demon named Baphomet. Alternative writers have drawn connections between the two groups, but the only proof is an alleged document claiming that the Templars gave refuge to Cathar refugees. This paper is conveniently gone, supposedly lost in World War II before anyone other than an alternative writer had ever seen it. Historians recognize no connection between the two groups. There is no evidence that the Templars recognized anything special about Venus, nor is the presence of Venus alignments in the Tower proof of Templar influence. (Why not, say, Venus-worshiping Romans?) There is no reference to Venus in any reference book on the Templars I consulted, and it only appears in the alternative history literature in conjunction with goddess conspiracies. There is no evidence of such Venus alignments in any Templar or Cistercian buildings of the era in Europe. Nevertheless, Wolter believes that the light of Venus could be focused through the Newport Tower’s second story window and “captured” by niche on the opposite wall to bring “the goddess”—the Templars are pagans now?—into the Tower. Last week the Templars were “pure” Christians with the “truth” about Christ; this week they’re pre-Christian goddess-worshipers. Wolter tries to explain that the light from Venus was captured by the niches in the tower, but I have problems with this. If the windows at the very top of the tower (the third story in American usage, or second story in British usage) were meant, as Wolter says, for “observations,” then Venus would need to be visible from ground level, but it is not. The “alignment” could only be seen from halfway up the Tower, at the “niche,” and no light would ever actually shine from the planet into the Tower itself. (Starlight or planet light isn’t bright enough to create a focused beam through an aperture as big as a window; if that were the case, then your home telescope would be shooting lasers into your eyes.) Wolter also fails to state what time during the night this alignment should occur, nor what the azimuth of Venus would be; Venus “appearing” at 22 degrees is not enough information. The angle needs to be measured from a given point, and Wolter won’t say whether that point is at ground level, up in the sky, or what. He thinks that two such alignments together create an “x” like the fictitious Templar “hooked x.” Wolter next states that the engineering of the Tower was “very precise,” but again I must point to the fact that (a) the Tower not perfectly round, (b) its pillars are unevenly spaced, and (c) its arches are of different widths. Engineers who were supposedly so precise that they encoded Venus alignments to an incredibly small angle were also incapable of building a regular structure? “Nobody but the Templars would have designed this into a structure like this!” Wolter screams as he views a laser reconstruction of the Venus “X.” Never mind, of course, that the “X” would never have been visible (since Venus cannot be in two places simultaneously), that the Templars have no connection to Venus, and that when Scott Wolter came to the Newport Tower in 2007 to look for Venus (as reported in Epigraphic Society Occasional Papers 26, no. 1 [2010] and Ancient American 12 [Feb. 2008]), he found that there “was not a visible opening to allow Venus to be seen” as an evening star. At the time, he blamed the failure to see Venus on (a) clouds and (b) reconstruction work on the Tower after 1780 that may have altered the position of the windows. Given that the Tower’s uppermost three feet have been rebuilt, there is no way to know what the original “alignment” would have been. (Other alternative believers have just as little evidence that the true “alignment” was to Sirius and/or the North Star on various days.) Wolter tries to test his idea by looking for Venus atop a ladder placed inside the Tower. Neither Wolter nor Egan seems aware that it is possible to calculate the position of Venus at any given time; it is not a miracle that requires speculation. Are we to assume that the Templars stood on stilts to see Venus? Fortunately for Wolter, the weather prevented him from “proving” where Venus was in the sky, despite, again, the fact that astronomers are able to determine such positioning with great accuracy. Wolter is disappointed that Venus fails to hit the niche, and he rationalizes that “maybe in the past” the niche aligned with Venus, when the earth’s axis was in a different position (!) and before earthquakes (!!) had misaligned the Tower! This is post-hoc rationalization at its worst. Again, as a geologist he should be able to find evidence if these alleged monument-moving earthquakes had occurred—is the Tower’s foundation damaged? And astronomers can tell you exactly where Venus was on any given night, except that they are “academics” and so in on the conspiracy. But only seconds later, Wolter then trumpets a solar alignment that hits a keystone at an unspecified point during the morning around the solstice. But I thought he just said earthquakes moved the Tower out of alignment. Which is it? The sun is seen quite high in the sky, so the “fertilization” of the keystone “egg” isn’t happening at dawn, the actual sacred moment in ancient religion, but rather by chance sometime later in the day. “The academic community has dropped the ball,” Wolter says. “Not just with the Newport Tower but with many of these ancient sites and artifacts that indicate that people have been coming to what is now America for thousands of years.” Wolter fails to tell viewers that the “academic community” has been studying the Newport Tower since the 1840s, and the results of architectural, archaeological, radiocarbon, and other studies are always the same: All signs point to the mid-1600s (see above). He is being highly dishonest in ignoring actual archaeological and academic work on the site in order to claim that none exists. “I truly believe that the society that the Templars envisioned was eventually laid out by modern Freemasons over a period of centuries, and those symbols, the signs, they’re all around us, hidden in plain sight.” Thus, America is actually the culmination of sacred goddess worship, the joint inheritance of the Templars and Masons: “These two orders were responsible for founding our United States itself.” Wolter sees that one of the Newport Tower’s keystones is very roughly shaped like a Masonic keystone (like the one used in Pennsylvania road signs—it’s the keystone state), but seriously it is so roughly shaped like one that it’s hard to attribute intentional symbolic design to the rock rather than the necessity to support the circular stone placed by design directly above with a flat support that juts up above the rest of the arch. So much for pecision engineering. Wolter sees this stone as a “Mark Master Mason’s Keystone,” but such a stone is a modern invention. As recently as the nineteenth century, the mark master mason’s keystone was smooth (un-notched), with a circle inscribed within. It may be possible, I suppose, that the circle above the Tower keystone was meant to represent this, but Wolter isn’t aware of the fact. I think that the rock was irregular and shaped as best as possible to fit into the available space in the arch. Instead, Wolter takes a helicopter to look at the Statue of Liberty, a statue created in France, who holds a tablet that has two notches at the top. Although the tablet is rectangular (with parallel sides) and therefore could not possibly serve as a keystone—which by definition must taper in a wedge shape to fit into and support an arch—Wolter screams and hoots that he found a hidden Mason’s symbol. In fact, the sculptor intended the tablet to be a tabula ansata, an imperial Roman tablet with dovetailed (notched) ends used for votive inscriptions. Such tablets also appear in Renaissance European art from the same ancient sources. The show concludes with Wolter expressing his certainty that the Templars gave rise to the United States and its “religious freedom” and “determined the very destiny of our nation.” This episode was originally scheduled to be the season finale, and it plays like one, summing up the series’ clear aim of providing an ancient (or at least medieval) rationalization for American values, continuing the project started with the mound builder myth several centuries ago of giving non-Native Americans—immigrants all—deeper connections to the land and a fictive, mythic history sufficient to assuage any doubts about who really belongs in America, and also who does not belong in America as a true member of our society.
192 Comments
3/9/2013 05:12:10 am
I think you and Scott are wrong about the Newport Tower by about the same magnitude, but in different directions. A nice set of extremes to chart a reasonable course between. The NT is not a colonial windmill, and it isn't any of that Masonic Templar crap, either.
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Ron
3/9/2013 06:27:30 am
Lynn, then what is it? Jason; The SyFy channel is now showing wrestling, ghost hunting, and the like so we do need someplace for science fiction/fantasy! Maybe ESPN can take over actual science programming?
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3/9/2013 07:05:38 am
I don't know who built the Newport Tower or why. I do believe that, out of the many theories, the colonial windmill theory is the least plausible. There is really no evidence supporting it at all. I'm all in favor of bashing the Templar stuff, but don't do it by advocating the Arnold theory because sadly, even the Templar story is more likely.
Graham
3/9/2013 11:04:21 am
Lynn, is your case written up somewhere and if so, why not link to it?
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Gareth
3/9/2013 12:37:57 pm
Yes, I'd like to see a convincing refutation of the Colonial theory written up too. I bet it relies on hoary old chestnuts to do with fireplaces never being used in windmills, Chesterton windmill not having been used as such until after Governor Arnold's time, stone tower mills being unknown before the 18th century, and a whole host of other "objections" that have no basis in provable fact. 3/10/2013 01:31:14 am
You called it, Gareth. Lynn's list of rebuttal points (posted below) does in fact include (a) fireplaces, (b) the Chesterton windmill not being a windmill, (c) unknown stone windmills, (d) and the accusation that skeptics must prove that the facts are in fact actually facts.
J
3/9/2013 06:06:54 pm
Oh geez, Lynn, you're one of them old bags, eh? You think you're so clever, trying to give us YET another theory without actually giving your idea as to what it is = which is basically the same as Wolter misleading everybody on the show. Brilliant.
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Phil
3/11/2013 06:27:34 am
Lynn, take another bong hit and a shot of booze you are spot on as you too can offer alternitive explination9s) for this w/o any documented back up. I really do not waste my time watching this stupid show but I think Jason has done a very good job explaining himself w/o stating that there is not time to waste typing it in. Please at least offer some substance or links to support your analysis? You make Scott look like a research genius!
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3/11/2013 05:16:03 pm
J and Phil,
JAM
10/9/2013 06:12:38 am
Just looking at the two windmills side by side should be enough to end the discussion! Converting wind energy was an essential technology that, like now, was a form of power and an advantage for the owners. The only mystery is what it was used for or did it have multiple uses? Look up uses for windmills, particularly in that era. Plus, the missing dome was a technological advantage as well! Imagine the time period and what the Native Americans might have thought witnessing the Mill in its full capacity. Is it a leap to think that people in the 1600's where any less excited about technology than we are today? Probably not, especially when it cuts down on labor! This is not a mystery.
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CFC
3/9/2013 05:53:57 am
This was another superb review, well researched and hitting all the main points. I especially appreciated the detailed history with references. Thank you!!!
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J. Adamson
3/9/2013 06:04:24 am
"Eagan and Wolter both claim that the Tower has significant astronomical alignments because on the winter solstice, at an unspecified time during the day, the sun shines through the west “window” and illuminates a stone on the opposite wall, which Eagan thinks is important because the “Mesopotamian” symbol for Easter was the “egg,” the shape of the rock hit by the sun. Of course, the rock isn’t really egg-shaped—it’s only very roughly egg shapped, with many irregular edges—nor is the winter solstice associated with Easter or its predecessors, the spring festivals. It’s also unclear to me how this “alignment” would have been visible when the Tower was a complete “church” with a presumably finished interior."
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William M Smith
3/9/2013 09:15:12 am
Your points about the wood floor and how did they access the second floor is a good one. I have posted a link to my research of the tower and it will explain a likely answer to your questions. As a retired engineer I feel their has to be logic behind all mysterious artifacts. The tower is not a fake like many might point out if they have no vision or connections. The tower is located on a natural hill with the Bay on one side and the Ocean on the other. About two blocks toward the bay is spring street, a source of fresh water. In the ocean their is still the large stone V structures to catch cod fish at low tide. The mass number of cod fish bones (specifically the large vertibra bone) are in boxes in the Godfrey artifacts dug in 1947. The logic as to why only the large vertibra bone is because they inserted a rod into the fish at this point for smoking. When they removed the rod from the meat the large bone was detached. When you are at the tower and view all the inside nooks and pockets you will see that the door to get to the second floor ran from north to south and was two parts which opened not only for access but also functioned as air dampers to allow air into the second story smok room. The doors were operational from the inside of the tower or the outside of the tower. Above the doors about 4 feet was a wooden beam which could be rotated from standing on the atrium roof on the north outside of the tower or from a platform and steps on the north inside wall of the tower. By turning the beam ropes would move the doors open or close. Each door would have been about 8 feet long and 2 feet wide and open in opposite directions to allow circular air movement in the smoking area.
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J Adamson
3/9/2013 10:30:51 am
I think you missed the point. They make a big deal out of sunlight coming in through a window and shining on the egg shaped stone. However when given the fact that a floor in the structure would not let that happen their response was to make something up out of thin air.
J
3/9/2013 06:13:18 pm
Ummmm.... yeah...... so if you are an engineer, you must be good at maths? So why not show us the exact angles of the sun on the solstices and where they would hit inside the tower, and then show us where the floor(s) would have been with openings for ladders from the ground, as well as pillars inside that must have held the windmill's spinner shaft, and how those things must have been perfectly out of the way for the sun to shine through to that keystone?
Marco
3/9/2013 06:29:16 am
I too had a chuckle when Wolter got his Cathars and Templars all mixed up. He also claimed that St. Bernard of Clairvaux was a founding Templar. He wasn't. His uncle was one of the original 9, as I recall, and Bernard did take part in the Council of Troyes where the Order's rules were drafted. He also corresponded with Hugh de Payens, who was one of the founding Templars and their first Grand Master.He was also usefully employed as the pope's recruiting sergeant. If he couldn't that basic bit of history right, what does that say about the rest of the programme? There's another "new" episode on next Friday but I won't be watching. I've wasted enough time with this drivel already.
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RLewis
3/9/2013 07:49:39 am
I loved Wolter's Jedi mind trick - "Some people call cumberlandite the Stone of Venus" to "cumberlandite is sometimes called the Stone of Venus" to "cumberlandite is also known as the Stone of Venus". Must be a fact.
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D.K.
3/9/2013 08:54:04 am
RLewis, they should have came to Philadelpia, there are hundreds of keystones here. As Jason mentioned, this is the Keystone state afterall and it's not too far from the Statue of Liberty.
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3/9/2013 09:07:16 am
You are correct. Cumberlandite is an ancient volcanic rock that is found only around Narragansett Bay. It is rich in iron (which is why it is magnetic) and titanium, and it was used by early colonists for cannons and farm tools, neither of which is associated with the sacred feminine and Venus. The Templars could not have known of its existence to give it symbolic name before coming to America unless you are like Scott Wolter and think that Europeans had been traveling back and forth for centuries making reports about weird rocks.
B L
3/9/2013 10:37:37 am
Great catch on the Cumberlandite. It is true that the rock is ONLY found in Rhode Island. Even if the Templars were coming to America their order and traditions would have been long established well before they would have known of this mineral's existence. "Stone of Venus" indeed! You know who calls Cumberlandite the "Stone of Venus"? Scott Wolter, and NO ONE. This was an outright lie. Up to this point one could make the claim that Wolter was just a harmless idiot not willing to do real research. Last night was a new low for the show.
Historian
12/8/2014 09:26:33 am
Cumberlandite only outcrops on Iron Mine Hill in Cumberland. The last glacier scraped up pieces and when it melted, dumped chunks of the rock in a do called "glacial boulder train" as far south as Martha's Vineyard and extending along the west shore of Narragansett Bay northward. Interestingly, a small sample of Cumberlandite was found in the course of the Tower excavation conducted in 2006, and was misidentified as a meteorite at the time. The lab at Arizona State University could not ID it, ruled out meteorite. I told the people who had hired the excavation team that the chemical report indicating Ti proved it had to be Cumberlandite.
Phillip
3/9/2013 03:51:04 pm
@RLewis,
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William M Smith
3/9/2013 08:08:56 am
I felt the show did a good job of leaving a lot of people on the edge of their seats looking for facts, however people that have studied the tower may not agree that all the findings were presented. One main example could be the builders mark at the top of the tower located 17 degrees west of true north. The critics would say, how could they have located the Triangle builders stone in that specific location. They could have used a lodestone compass. The evidence of this is the 17 degrees was the magnetic declination of the tower in 1472. Other support for this is the compass needle and cover glass found in the 1947 Godfrey dig and the magnetic stone found in 2008 in a hole 2 feet below surface which was studied by
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3/9/2013 08:42:14 am
This ^^^^^ is also more plausible than the colonial theory.
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Max Newman
12/8/2014 06:53:14 am
The problem with this pre-colonial date is that excavations have been done and nothing has been found from pre-colonial times. Are you adding in an assumption that after they were done using this structure that they carefully excavated and cleaned everything up from many years of use?
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Historian
12/8/2014 09:41:22 am
The "magnetic stone" you referred to was studied at ASU, not Univ. of Az. At any rate, it was found to be a sample of Cumberlandite. When the last glacier melted, pieces of Cumberlandite the glacier had scraped off and picked up at Iron Mine Hill in Cumberland were dropped out as the ice melted, creating a Cumberlandite boulder train all the way back to Iron Mine Hill. Newport is included in that boulder train zone, and that is how it got to the tower. Of course it could have been transported there by natives, but it was only a tiny fragment.
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William M Smith
3/9/2013 08:48:34 am
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Johnson
3/9/2013 09:05:25 am
Firstly, it's Egan, not Eagan. Secondly, this has to be the most far fetched episode yet. Magnetic rocks, bogus Venus alignments, fake mid-air X symbol, and a crappy keystone by "master" masons. Did you notice he made no attempt to date the mortar even though he proclaims himself to be the world's expert? He obviously knows it dates more recently and it blows away his Templar theory. I hate people like him.
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William M Smith
3/9/2013 09:24:19 am
Johnson - the mortar has been dated with 6 samples showing an early date of 1450s and a later date showing 1700s. Wolter took a sample he stated and never posted the results. Their are lots of material that could be dated if you look at the Godfrey artifacts gathered in the 1947 dig. Cod fish bones, clay pipes, green glass. Other items from Jan Barstads dig in 2008, wooden post holes, fire pit wood in the outside fire pit.
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3/9/2013 09:42:18 am
The radiocarbon dates actually confirm a mid-1600s date. Alternative writers have expressed reservations about the dates and have tried to find methodological errors to support an earlier date. The researchers involved, however, confirmed a 1600s date. 3/9/2013 09:26:35 am
Another great review, Jason.
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3/9/2013 09:44:36 am
Ha! That's what the Kensington Rune Stone "code" really says: Dear Native Americans, stop using astronomy!
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3/9/2013 10:02:05 am
Precisely. Indeed, the whole "science" of symbology seems predicated on the rather dangerous assumption that a) all symbols have discreet meanings, b) particular symbols are the sole domain of one group and b) if it looks like a symbol, it was placed there intentionally.
phillip
3/9/2013 04:13:08 pm
This was AU's worst effort. I was disappointed, as lousy as it is, I like seeing Scott get all duded up to get "the truth" out! This episode gave me the impression that he felt beaten. He did not even try to fib to me intellectually, When the AU nonsense is no longer humorous, I guess I have to move on . Maybe I can send Scott an email claiming Ive seen Bigfoot, Thats History right? Ancient Aliens has already warmed up the car for me. 3/9/2013 10:13:14 am
Professor Andre J. de Bethune, Pro essor of Chemistry at Boston College, in a 1998 ar icle appearing in Journal of the Newport
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3/9/2013 11:11:59 am
As I said above, some have raised objections to the original radiocarbon dating, which was to the mid-1600s. However, even J Huston McCulloch, a staunch defender of diffusionism, in reviewing the objections to the 1600s carbon date could only conclude that the radiocarbon results were "inconclusive," not that they proved a pre-colonial date. http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/newport.htm
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3/9/2013 11:23:16 am
Also, the peer reviewed article by J. Heinemeier and H. Junger (2000) rebuts de Bethune and excludes a pre-Columbian date.
J
3/9/2013 06:16:25 pm
What a load of codswallop.
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William M Smith
3/10/2013 11:25:21 am
Mr J, first understand I am not hiding behind a letter which represents my name as you are. It is ok to ask questions, however do not expect answers by being critical of people that attempt to provide facts to the interested researchers.
Gareth
3/10/2013 12:01:53 pm
William
Kent
2/24/2023 09:01:55 pm
Mr. Smith:
Jason D.
11/30/2013 11:03:23 am
If CO2 (essentially air) can disprove carbon dating in this case, wouldn't that disprove all carbon dating? What is special about the Newport Tower that CO2 penetrates it more than any other carbon dated item? Seems like just another way to explain away hard evidence that doesn't fit someone's pet theory. Since when does true science try to explain away evidence instead of changing the hypothesis to support the evidence at hand?
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Johnson
3/9/2013 10:23:58 am
The floor between the first and second story would block the view of Venus from the niches, so this Templar theory is busted. I bet Egan mentioned that but this of course was edited out. The niches were most likely used to hold firewood and had no other purpose.
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CFC
3/9/2013 10:50:56 am
The Venus allignment failed so what do they do but create a diversion and fly to the Statue of Liberty. I nearly died laughing.
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Tripps
3/9/2013 11:11:51 am
Has anyone located norumbega and done real research comparing to real geography? Sure looks a bit lie Narraganset bay or even up in Maine
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3/9/2013 11:15:30 am
The land labeled as Norumbega on Mercator's map was Narragansett Bay; however, there was never a European colony by that name. The term was applied to many different locations between Rhode Island and Maine and was a figment of geographical imagination. Mercator happened to locate it in Rhode Island, but other maps chose different locations.
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Tripps
3/9/2013 12:34:55 pm
Jason do we know why Mercator chose RI?? Because he determined it to be in RI what knowledge or legends was he privy to? 3/9/2013 12:40:18 pm
I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, it's probably because Giovanni da Verrazano put it at about that location in his 1529 map, and Verrazano is known to have visited Narragansett Bay.
Tripps
3/9/2013 01:17:13 pm
Interesting Jason are you saying like others that Verrazano was checking in on Newport secret settlement or at least aware of it as significant in the new world??
Helen
1/13/2018 06:30:50 pm
@tripps
Richard Rush
3/9/2013 11:19:39 am
i have extensive and indisputable proof that the Tower is the ignition pit for interplanetary rockets to Mars. Analog - the launch-pad rings for the Saturn V rockets in Florida.
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B L
3/9/2013 11:32:06 am
Was that the season finale the? I'm gonna miss this blog if it was!
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3/9/2013 11:43:44 am
There's one more episode next week, and then it's off for a few months before the next season launches.
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N L
3/9/2013 01:06:53 pm
Jason, I'm throwing a wrench in the works here....Plowden's New Albion Petition to King Charles I in 1632. Collections of New-York Historical Society, 1869. *This is a British public document written in 1632. Many scholars theorize that the mention of a round stone tower in this document is proof of the Old Stone Mill's existence before 1640. The item in the collection of the New-York Historical Society is an 1869 copy. If the structure was called old and stone in 1632 it would imply the plaster had already fallen away and that the structure was a ruin. Could Arnold have retrofitted a pre-existing structure to make his windmill?
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:16:15 pm
See here, pp19-22. What the Plowden petition actually describes isn't the Newport Tower
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:16:21 pm
See here, pp19-22. What the Plowden petition actually describes isn't the Newport Tower
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:16:30 pm
See here, pp19-22. What the Plowden petition actually describes isn't the Newport Tower
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:16:36 pm
See here, pp19-22. What the Plowden petition actually describes isn't the Newport Tower
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:17:06 pm
See here, pp19-22. What the Plowden petition actually describes isn't the Newport Tower
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N L
3/9/2013 01:38:18 pm
Thanks Gareth. I was not aware of that analysis. Very informative.
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:18:03 pm
Apologies, that was only supposed to post once.
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3/9/2013 01:21:31 pm
How many other stone buildings were in Newport in 1675? Answer - zero. How many other stone windmills were in New England? Zero. How much mention did this fantastic structure get when it was being built, in newspapers, letters, anywhere? Zero. I could go on and on. In fact tomorrow, I will.
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:26:11 pm
Oh, please do. It's clear, just from those three statements, that you don't understand the subject at all.
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J Adamson
3/9/2013 01:32:53 pm
Why exactly would building a windmill be so fantastic that it would deserve to be mentioned in letters, newspapers, etc?
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:44:07 pm
The likes of Lynn Brant assume that there is something specially unusual about the Newport Tower as a windmill (because it's stone, and because its unusual design echoes that of a windmill built in central England in 1632 well within sight of what was then a main southwest - northeast route across the English midlands), so much so that (according to them) it can't have been one, since if it had, some lucky chance would have led to its actual construction (rather than just its existence a few years after it was built) being recorded on a piece of paper that survived 300 years of wars, accidents and general tidy-ups.
Kent
2/24/2023 09:36:44 pm
@Lynn Brant:
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:30:15 pm
Just to take the last of those three, how many buildings (of any material) were there in New England in 1675? a reasonable estimate must be thousands. And how many of them had their construction recorded in the relatively small percentage of the total number of documents of the period that have survived to the present day? a tiny proportion. How many are described as "my stone built windmill" in one of those few surviving documents? One - The Newport Tower.
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Gareth
3/9/2013 01:52:06 pm
However...
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N L
3/9/2013 02:00:25 pm
Gareth, you seem to be the most knowledgable guy on the subject in the forum. What are your thoughts on the strange placements and sizes of the windows at the NT? The Chesterton mill has four windows of traditional size and placement. One window int the NT would be 2 ft from the floor while another would have been 6 feet from the floor. Seems like these strange placements would have had a purpose.
Tripps
3/9/2013 02:10:15 pm
Hmmmmm so RI's first governor just happens to own the Viking tower land???
Tripps
3/9/2013 02:15:59 pm
Very interesting that RIs first govenor claims the Viking Templar tower land and decades later a relative Benedict Arnold a war hero and navy man tragically becomes an infamous traitor!!
Gareth
3/9/2013 02:16:32 pm
Here's a redrawing of Philip Means' internal elevation of the NT
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Gareth
3/9/2013 02:42:26 pm
Here are some archive photos and a short description of Chesterton (including dimensions, which match the NT very closely)
noriko artero
3/1/2016 12:39:06 pm
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Gareth
3/9/2013 02:20:46 pm
Tripps: "Hmmmmm so RI's first governor just happens to own the Viking tower land???"
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Tripps
3/10/2013 08:44:51 am
Garret ri was formed in early 1600s where is the proof he built it? If you guys are gonna use strict logic then we can use it against your dismissals as well
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Sean
3/9/2013 04:39:39 pm
While narrowing the search to Newport, Rhode Island naturally produces few results examples of seventeenth century colonial stone, brick, and mortar construction are abundant.
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mj
3/16/2013 06:20:50 am
While admitting my observations are cursory, and don't include entire buildings, I must say that looking at the foundations of early colonial era Newport homes (especially those nearer the water) display techniques not dissimilar to the body of the tower.
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William M Smith
3/9/2013 05:55:20 pm
As an engineer who has studied the Newport Tower as well as the artifacts from the 1947 Godfrey dig at the tower, I assure you it it not a windmill. All of the measurements of the tower indicate the Dutch or Scottish Ell was used in construction. (37.25 in. in a yard or the length from your nose to the end of your finger). The tower was built as a smoke house to process cod fish. If you went to the links I posted earlier you will get an answer to your questions as it relates to each window and other parts of the tower that is special to its purpose. It is not a mill because their is no bearing supports in the walls or openings that are constructed to handle the horizontal shaft at the correct elevation required. Their is also no ground evidence that support a bearing stone for the vertical shaft of a mill.
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J
3/9/2013 06:19:35 pm
Where's the soot on the inside walls then? Stop making shit up.
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J
3/9/2013 06:20:31 pm
And you're not very smart if you can't distinguish between THERE and THEIR grammatically.
N L
3/10/2013 03:48:04 am
There couldn't be any soot on the inside if the tower to test because any soot residue would have settled on the layer of plaster that covered the entire tower. This plaster has long since deteriorated and only small patches remain.
William M Smith
3/10/2013 08:53:18 am
Most of the wall plaster is gone except for the boxes in the local Historical Society museum. This is where you may find the soot from the smoking process. The ground floor area inside the tower is likely to show little smoke in the mortar because it was likely heated from a outside fire pit located in 2008 which would make the structure with a central heating system. This heating system has been reported in ancient castle and churches. I will say I am a poor speller, however I do hope you understand the message rather than shoot the messenger.
Gareth
3/10/2013 04:44:06 am
OK William, Here's the cross section of Chesterton Windmill again:
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William M Smith
3/10/2013 08:35:13 am
Gareth - First I want to thank you for taking the time to read my paper on the tower in Migration and Diffusion. To answer your question (Can I point to a circular, stone-built arcaded fish smoke house) The answer is N0 not exactly. Their are two round smoke houses in France that have the walls finished with a plaster to improve air flow in the building and make it more sanitary, Their is a stone light house about 5 miles south of the Newport Tower that is made in the similar stone mortar as the Tower. Their is report of an ancient site built by the Bask fisherman that had an atrium with central heating. Sue Carolson of NEAR gave a good report on some round buildings attached to ancient churches that had the double flu fire places on the second floor. Their are wood carvings dating in the 14th century showing the processing of fish. I have a soil sample that Michigan State confirmed the difference in the soil at the barrel unload west window, which is likely the area on the ground where the fresh water was added to seal the barrels of smoked cod fish. Most of my research is in the paper which is in Migration and Diffusion. The process of smoking is clearly stated. Also understand this report is about 4 years old and new information is being accumulated that add additional support. Example: The grove in the south wall just to the right of the south window is said to hold a table likely and the nitch in the center was for a table support. The south window sides are relieved to allow max. light into the working area. This table was the likely location where the fish were removed from their hanging rod and packed into barrels for shipment. These barrels of fish were moved out the west window with a lift aid and placed on the ground 12 to 14 ft from the tower. This is where they were filled with water from the spring on Spring Street until the top sealed. The cod liver oil that soaked into the soil at this sealing station worked like (salt be gone) and is similar to the same liquid we use today to remove salt in our yard at the street. The most important work going on currently is proving the use of the lodestone compass at the tower for confirming the triangle stone at 17 degrees west of true north on the upper outer edge of the tower. Note: This location was 17 degrees magnetic variance in 1472. It is 14 degrees west today. At the 41 degree latitude this change is on an average of 50 miles per 100 years. Today the 17 degree magnetic declination is about 250 miles east of the tower. Note: This same process may have been used to locate the Kensington Rune Stone on the argon line in 1472 or in 1362, 110 years earlier 65 miles west of its present location. Also keep in mind the over 60 native American skeleton's were studied for the presence of the pneumonia virus and it's first appearance was at Narragessit Bay and western Wisconsin that in late 1400's killed over 80% of the Indians in the area's. Sorry for the long talk but I have many hours of study at the Newport Tower. I also agree with the two engineers that were the only engineers to report on the Scottish Ell for the standard dimensions of the tower. I also assure you, that many reported measurements are not correct. Their are reported alignment marks in the upper surface of the south window. I hope to confirm these marks and show how they were used to locate the builders stone on the north side. I wish I had someone close to the tower that could help because the drive from Ohio is costly.
Gareth
3/10/2013 08:58:13 am
William, I have indeed read your paper. I can only say it was hard going and the strain you were involved in - in trying to force a "fish smoking house" explanation out of a building that very clearly was not built, or ever used, for that purpose - is obvious. It is one of the most contrived explanations for the Tower I have seen.
Marco
3/10/2013 05:06:09 am
That's an interesting theory. As for the soot remarks made by others, I thought the colonists dried and salted cod, in which case, no smoke would be used. I think your use of the words "smoke house" might be misplaced and taken literally by others. Just a thought.
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William M Smith
3/10/2013 04:43:45 pm
Marco - You may be correct on the process used by the colonists to dry and salt their fish. Most of us have had smoked preserved ham from the modern day commercial smoke house. To dry fish takes much of the flavor out and it is almost impossible to remove the salty taste. The key to making a good fish product to sell on the European market and allow the time to get the fish to market is to clean the fish by removing its head and inner parts leaving a butterfly fillet which would be placed on a rod with about 5 other fish. This rod of fish would be dipped into a hot pot of water and cod liver oil. When the fish was removed from the pot the oil would coat the fish. The rods of fish would be placed about two feet above the second floor in the smoking room. One end of the rod would go into the groves on the north or south wall. The other end would be supported with a rack off the floor leaving walking room between the rods. The mortar finished walls made the smoking room more sanitary by sealing the small holes in the rocks and mortar. This smooth surface was also an aid to the air flow in a circular pattern as it smoked the fish. The cod liver oil coating on the fish would solidify sealing the meat from the open air. They also used this oil on their sails to make them stiff. After about 8 hours the fish would be stripped from the rods and placed in wooden barrels. They would be brought to the ground as described before and sealed by filling the barrel with water. I am not sure if salt was needed in the water, however a salt pond was near by and a bronze Portuguese canon was found at this location. The barrels of fish would make the trip to the fish markets in Europe. The consumer would purchase the fish and place it in boiling fresh water which removed all the coating of cod liver oil and allowed the user fresh fish without a salty taste.
Gareth
3/10/2013 06:03:45 am
Published dimensions of the tower
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D.K.
3/10/2013 06:48:14 am
You forgot one vital piece of information. The earthquakes that plague New England obviously shifted the stones and therefore they are not in exact Ells units of measurement.
Kate
3/10/2013 10:54:24 am
Earthquakes that plague New England? Seriously? Let's go state by state for largest earthquakes (Richter scale) in New England:
Gareth
3/10/2013 11:05:33 am
I think D K was joking. The thing about an earthquake powerful enough to skew the measurements that much (if it didn't actually destroy the tower) is that it would also have upset the supposedly precise but actually accidental astronomical alignments that some people attach such unwarranted importance to.
D.K.
3/10/2013 11:11:06 am
Kate, thank you for that information, but I believe my attempt at humor eluded you. Not sure if you saw this episode, but Scott Wolter attempted to blame the misalignment of the Venus light in the niche on earthquakes moving the tower. I know New England does not have 'plagues' of earthquakes (I have family and friends in Mass). I hope you didn't go through too much effort providing the historical info.
Kate
3/10/2013 11:15:35 am
I hope you're right, Gareth, but this is not the first time I've heard this argument. And even if he is joking, I'm sure there are others that might jump at the idea of this as a possibility.
Kate
3/10/2013 11:21:48 am
Yes, D.K., I did see this episode. And as a geologist, I hope you understand my frustration. This show is undermining my field to the general public. As far as finding the historical data, it takes thirty seconds to find it, as any respectable geologist would be able to do.
Gareth
3/10/2013 12:31:37 pm
I should say that these calculations use William's alleged Ell of 37.25 inches, which is not the Scottish Ell (as standardised in 1661, so too late for William's theory in any case) of 37.059 inches, nor does it seem to be any recognised former Ell as used by the Vikings (c.18 inches), the Dutch (approx 27 inches), the French (approx 54 inches), the English (45 inches) or any other variants.
phillip
3/9/2013 06:57:13 pm
A simple glance a Wikipedia will show you half a dozen other "wild" Alternative Theories about the structure. ALL OF THEM more plausible then Templar Grail Nonsense
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Gareth
3/10/2013 05:15:50 am
And NONE OF THEM supported by a shred of evidence in the real world, except the 17th century windmill one, which is amply documented.
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cora
3/9/2013 07:14:53 pm
Jason,
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3/10/2013 01:27:20 am
A few observations on why the NT cannot possibly be a colonial windmill are at http://lynnbrant.com/html/newport_tower.html
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3/10/2013 01:36:30 am
I'm a bit confused. Against the archaeological and documentary facts you have astronomical alignments and assumptions about architecture that were rebutted back in the 1940s?
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Gareth
3/10/2013 05:13:56 am
Sigh, "There's none so blind as those that *won't* see"
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CFC
3/10/2013 01:57:49 am
What attracts me to this blog is this: Jason demonstrates an understanding and appreciation for the scientific method, provides proper referencing, is diplomatic and fair and promptly admits if he’s not correct.
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Bill
3/10/2013 09:57:11 am
What always amazes me is that throughout the series Wolter doesn't even know that Mexico is part of North America, at least it was when I went to school.
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3/10/2013 10:04:35 am
I'm not sure America Unearthed would even count Canada--you know, the place where actual Europeans really did land in North America before Columbus.
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J.
3/11/2013 07:30:58 pm
Up until the Mexican-American War (1846-48), Mexico stretched all the way up to Utah and California. I wonder how that would affect his English in Arizona theory.
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Lisa C
3/10/2013 12:43:29 pm
Jason - Any chance you would consider banning whoever goes by "J"? You have to type your email addy in, so you must be able to track his/her posts somehow. This is a quote from J earlier in the thread, aimed at Lynn "I am going to fuck you up. Stop spreading lies. You're no better than Wolter, so I am going to fuck you up so you'll stop living in fantasy land, you condescending little bitch."
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Lisa C
3/10/2013 12:46:11 pm
Also, repointing MIGHT explain the wooden posts found around the site, as you would need to create some sort of support to hold the structure in place while re-mortaring it. I don't know where the posts are placed, so I wouldn't put money on that. Just a thought.
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William M Smith
3/10/2013 05:29:27 pm
The two wooden post holes and outside fire pit were discovered by Jan Barstad in 2008. The post were 14 in. in diameter and 4 Ells from the column post. (12 ft. 5 in.). The fire pit was outside and between the two columns to the north east. My report on Migration and Diffusion shows the calculated living area of the tower. Each of the eight sections of the outer atrium would provide living quarters for a large group of people, however the fire pit section would not be included but only to supply central heating to the other seven units. If you look at the flat stones located at equal heights (about 7 ft. ) from ground on each column they would support a beam from one column to the next then a beam on top of this beam to each post. When the roof or floor was placed on these beams about 3 inches of the stone arch would be open. This unique design was likely to allow smoke removal from the living area at each of the seven atrium sections. I feel the true dating and history of the tower may be located outside of the stone structure between the fence and tower at the living quarters before all the wood disappeared.
Gareth
3/10/2013 11:12:00 pm
William - 4 of your imaginary 37.25 inch Ells is 12 feet exactly, not 12.5 feet.
Kent
2/24/2023 10:51:44 pm
@gareth: "William - 4 of your imaginary 37.25 inch Ells is 12 feet exactly, not 12.5 feet." 3/10/2013 12:49:10 pm
Sigh. I try to monitor abusive posts, but this morning there were more than 50 new posts, and I just don't have the ability to monitor all of them. Weebly also doesn't give me the ability to ban IP addressses; I can only delete individual posts.
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Lisa C
3/10/2013 01:46:37 pm
It's alright. I understand. I LOVE to disagree with people. That's how you learn - by being presented with new information from discerning individuals. But, there are right ways to do it, and wrong ways to do it. = ) 3/10/2013 01:50:01 pm
Not necessarily. The houses the colonists built were much cruder and less polished than their European counterparts, even the early mansions. Compare a colonial mansion to an English stately home and you'll see the differences. You do the best you can with the materials and craftsmen at hand. Plus, the Newport Tower was meant to be coated in plaster, which would have masked the rough stonework.
William M Smith
3/10/2013 03:13:36 pm
Jason - Thank you for allowing the people that are searching for the truth in hopes of solving some of our mysterious sites and artifacts in an open forum. Their are critics like J in all fields of our life. I have even been one a time or two. In most cases these people make profound claims which can be tested. I have watched all of the H2 shows and agree with your detail recap of each. I have known Scott Wolter since 2006 and conversed with him on many occasions. Keep up the good work.
J.
3/11/2013 07:33:38 pm
Aw, dammit... I use the same initial and try to differentiate with a period. (I know, ingenious.) But I'm not sending out any abuse. Should I pick a new moniker?
William M Smith
3/10/2013 05:02:32 pm
Lisa C - your points of dating the artifacts from the Godfrey dig could be questioned. If the cod fish bone dated to have ended life in 1480 would be significant. About two years I think at Cambridge University they were collecting cod fish bones from castles in Europe in order to identify what cod fish school the bones came from as well as the date of the fish. I do not think they have dated any Newport Tower bones. Their is an ox bone in the Godfrey artifacts that was dated, however it was only 100 years old. I would also feel the clay pipes could be dated. As for dating the tower, one thing can not be wrong. The 17 degrees west of true north position of the triangle stone that marks the magnetic declination at the towers location shows a late 1400s date. The only tool available to measure true north and magnetic north at the same time was a lodestone compass. This has a sun dial for true north and a magnetic needle for magnetic north all incorporated into one tool. Parts of the lodestone compass are in the Godfrey artifacts.
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Lisa C
3/11/2013 01:00:27 am
I guess I wasn't clear on that point. I should have said that if someone dated the smoke, bones, and pipe to a date in the 1600s, then it wouldn't be significant because people could have come along and used the site for convenience. However, if the items dated much earlier, then of course, they would be highly significant - indicating that the structure may have been there the whole time. My first statement was in response to one I read above about using the dated items to prove a connection to the 17th century.
Kent
2/24/2023 11:09:28 pm
@ "William M Smith": "The only tool available to measure true north and magnetic north at the same time was a lodestone compass."
William M Smith
3/10/2013 02:58:08 pm
In the oldest drawing of the Newport Tower, I think about 1650 the tower looks like it stands today. In that photo one is looking to the south west according to the two small openings on the north side. The ships are to the west or in the Bay. If you look beyond the tower you will see a round roof barn and a very large house on the east side of the photo. It does not show the Atlantic which is less than 1/4 mile east. In all the items from the Godfrey dig inside the tower only about 10 square nails were found. Their were no two alike. When I took the 100 plus photos of the artifacts and placed them in one of 4 structures (church, mill, smoke house, water tower) I found that the smoke house for commercial fish processing and tobacco and pipe manufacturing would only all fit the smoke house use. If you remove the smoke house theory you must explain the 5 bone handled knifes, the hand held iron barrel stay tool, the fish hooks, the meat cleaver, the cod fish bones, the broken clay pipe bowls with no stain, in one of the remaining choices. Each of the three main second floor windows have different construction to fit its function. The east window just north of the two flu fire place could be for adding wood chips to the shallow fire place which is above the floor. The groves in the sill could be for sliding doors to regulate air. The south window is tapered on its outer edges to allow maximum light into the structure and the packing area to the west of this window. This window is also to the east in order to maintain a north south alignment with the east edge ot the north tower leg. The west window is also tapered on the outside to allow maximum light. It has a archway upper sill to aid in supporting the load generated from the lift aid yard arm directly above this window. I would not be to shocked to find blue prints of this structure in the Azores or Portugal.
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Gareth
3/10/2013 11:04:22 pm
But they're 17th century (and later) fish hooks, clay pipes, etc. None of them is 15th century. How do the numbers of these items found relate to the numbers found at other digs of 17th century domestic / industrial sites in or near Newport? I'd like to suggest they aren't remarkable (and bear in mind that the city authorities, in landscaping the park in the late 19th century, moved soil (and associated artefacts) round in large quantities, bringing material in from elsewhere.
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Gareth
3/10/2013 11:24:28 pm
I assume you must mean this painting:
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William M Smith
3/11/2013 04:35:39 am
Gareth - Thanks for posting the picture and date. If it was 1770 or any other date it seems to be the oldest drawing of the structure. It also brings up many other questions which makes one wonder if the story of solders staying in the tower and powder being stored during the revolution war. I see no evidence of a roof or atrium in the drawing which one would think would be present if it was used for living quarters.
Lisa C
3/11/2013 01:25:36 am
Jason,
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Gareth
3/11/2013 01:34:19 am
The tower was plastered, externally as well as internally. So its appearance when complete would have been much more regular and "smart" than it looks today.
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Lisa C.
3/11/2013 02:22:14 am
If that is true (and I'm not saying it is/isn't), then would the "magnetic north" stone have been covered? I'm trying to determine if I think that stone is significant or coincidence. 3/11/2013 02:23:07 am
As Gareth said, the Tower was originally plastered. As a general rule, but especially for utilitarian structures, you don't put too much time into making beautiful parts not meant to be seen.
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T.
3/11/2013 03:27:45 pm
There's nothing significant about the cumberlandite, or the "egg shaped" stone or the notches in the keystone, nor connections to Templars or the statue of liberty or freemasons or Christianity or astronomical alignments. Use your heads, people. For all the cod fish bones and ells and all the other crap that can be thrown out and rebutted for no reason IT'S A WINDMILL,STUPID!
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B L
3/11/2013 03:20:42 am
The Cumberlandite and the egg stone both would have been covered by plaster. The Cumberlandite has to be coincidence, right? Even Scott Wolter wasn't able to put forth any ideas as to why it was placed in that particular spot or what it would have been used for. This in spite of the mineral being supremely important (in his imagination) to the supposed builders.
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Christopher Randolph
3/11/2013 03:57:40 am
I didn't see this episode yet. We don't need to get past the title "America's Oldest Secret" to realize that the assumption is that nobody and nothing of note was on the continent worthy of study before Europeans got here. You'd think America's oldest secret might have been generated by people who were on the continent several thousands of years earlier... unless of course they simply aren't 'people.'
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The Other J.
3/11/2013 07:45:57 pm
Re. Canada: That's a really good question. The only such mystery I know of off the top of my woolly head is the Oak Island mystery of Nova Scotia. It's sort of a bottomless mine that no one knows who built or what for. It's about 300 years old (or far older, if you swing that way), is linked to pirates and Freemasons, there are stone tablets drug out of the pit with coded symbols on them (which should make it a perfect Wolter job), and it's even been featured on Ancient Aliens.
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3/11/2013 05:11:39 am
Mr. Smith, I visited the tower last summer and took many, many photos from all angles. After posting this comment, I will go back and reduce down some of them and build a new tower page. Wait at least a few hours. www.hallmarkemporium.com I took photos with a telephoto lens and even have closeups of two sets of initials carved into the tower...one set of initials appear to be quite aged.
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Christopher Randolph
3/11/2013 05:38:07 am
"some people think"
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3/11/2013 06:20:20 pm
To start with, let me offer my "here, here" to Christopher Randolph's question of your use of "some people think." Who? Name names. How hard is that? Let us check your sources. This is the core of real history.
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3/11/2013 08:56:41 am
William M. Smith, I published my photos of Newport Tower at www.hallmarkemporium.com. I believe you may find the opening you are looking for in one of the photos. That one set of initials looks quite old...its on the inside, quite far up. As a return favor, perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining to Opher how 14th century explorers went about finding pretty close to the center of North America.
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Kevin C.
3/11/2013 10:59:07 am
I watch this show out of what I can only figure is intellectual masochism, and it's obvious that we have a first-class fraud and huckster on our hands. I get furious every time I hear one of Wolter's 'straw man' statements about academics or unreferenced passive tense assertions (this stone was called the 'stone of Venus', etc- by whom?!). What's worse, he's a bully as well.. he has less tolerance for other people's research than the boogey-man academics he's constantly referencing. Thank you for this blog, I was beginning to think I was the only person out there infuriated by Mr. Wolter's pseudo-archeology.
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The Other J.
3/11/2013 07:54:50 pm
"I watch this show out of what I can only figure is intellectual masochism."
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Sean
3/12/2013 04:10:49 am
Well played. You should be getting the call about appearing on season 2 any minute now.
Americanegro
12/30/2016 08:19:16 pm
Kevin C.,
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RLewis
3/11/2013 02:13:34 pm
Jason, I have a general question that relates to several episodes. Why would any early explorers - having survived an incredible journey across a vast ocean (or at least far from their homeland) - immediately continue their trek deep into the unknown territory to establish settlements in mid-America (Oklahoma, Minnesota, etc)? Would they not first try to settle the coasts? It took the colonists decades to venture more than a few hundred miles from the shore.
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3/11/2013 04:13:53 pm
You make an excellent point. It makes no sense to say the colonists would have bypassed so many good places to settle. As far as I know there is no precedent for it. And it would have been very difficult to do.
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RLewis
3/12/2013 10:18:31 am
Why Colorado? It's well known the Templars were avid skiers. Haven't you noticed that when you cross your skis they make an X?
Christopher Randolph
3/11/2013 04:16:02 pm
There aren't people in the center of Greenland to this day, not surprising owing to the glacial cover and general conditions. More to the point there are hardly any people at all living inland in Iceland to this day, 1000 years later. The overwhelming majority of central Iceland is as habitable as the rest of the island (there is a bit of glacial cover). The primary highway in Iceland is the "Ring Road," which as the name suggests makes a large circle around the perimeter of the island, where the Norse descendants actually live.
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The Other J.
3/11/2013 08:03:48 pm
Not that I buy into the theories, but I could see some adventurous Vikings sailing from the Atlantic up the St. Lawrence River to Lake Ontario, and from there finding their way over to Lake Huron, which links up with Lake Superior. I don't know why they would travel from the coast down into humid, mosquito-ridden, rocky northern Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota -- I guess that's for the Freemasons to explain, or the Cathars, or the Sons of Knut.
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RLewis
3/12/2013 05:30:36 am
Note that my original remark was meant more to question Settlers not Explorers. There are records of multiple explorations of the North America interior before permanent (European) settlements were established. I agree that an adventurous Viking would, eventually, want to explore further - but it seems reasonable that they would want/need to establish a base-camp of sorts to logistically support expansion
The Other J.
3/12/2013 10:09:42 am
Yep, no argument here. Just brainstorming how people with notoriously awesome seaworthy boats with a shallow draft for river excursions might actually make it to the interior in the first place. But no doubt, there would be encampments along the way leaving a trail of where they'd been. If they had gone into the interior, we should have found more L'Anse aux Meadows'.
John Milton
3/11/2013 04:04:10 pm
Jason, GREAT SITE. I can't stand Wolter's drivel. Because I'm new to your site I would like to thank you for your time and research. It is refreshing to find someone who looks for truth and knows what the scientific method is. Wolter rejects it - he just makes unfounded statements and if you don't agree with him, your are part of the conspiracy aginst him
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The Other J.
3/11/2013 08:06:53 pm
Loved your book, but wonder if it really needed a sequel.
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3/12/2013 06:21:56 am
Thank you for the compliment!
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John Milton
3/12/2013 08:47:08 am
We would have something if that was true. Perhaps I wasn't clear in the previous post. If the tower predates Columbus it was there when the early colonists arrived. Why was there no reference to it in the letters and documents of that time period prior to the governor's will. One would believe a structure of that size would warrant some mention or notation if for nothing else than the history of the area, from the earliest colonists documents. I may have some of the facts wrong but my impression was molded from the understanding that the will was the first mention of the structure in any documents. Which surely indicates the governor as its builder. Hope this is clear. 3/12/2013 09:20:05 am
I was making a joke about the claims made for Anubis Cave in Oklahoma on an earlier episode of the show. You are correct that there is no earlier mention of the tower than Gov. Arnold's will, where he implicates himself as the builder.
C.C.
3/12/2013 02:28:30 am
Didn't I hear Wolter say that the Venus alignment would be at 22 degrees? When he put the compass up and looked at it he stated that the line of site was 25 or 26 degrees to the niche....so didn't this disprove the Venus alignment theory in and of its self? I couldn't believe they still put the lasers up to make the X....It's an obsession with the guy ,these so called mystic symbols,ironically they are all connected to some sexual fertility nonsense ,so maybe that's the real agenda to spread the ancient secret that mankind has been obsessed with sexuality for eons.....hee hee
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RLewis
3/12/2013 05:40:44 am
Jason, have you had a chance to personally meet Wolter (I know you have exchanged some e-mails)? Does he really, really believe all this stuff? I mean, is he delusional to where he believes his own lies, or is he simply playing to the crowd and twisting facts to spin a good yarn for entertainment sake (i.e. just to make a buck)?
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3/12/2013 06:20:20 am
I have never spoken to him in person, but from everything I've heard from many people who have, he is apparently genuinely convinced that he has discovered the Templar secret behind ancient America.
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Cathleen Anderson
3/13/2013 11:39:18 am
Yep. He will find it in or near one of the masonic temples in either Minneapolis or St. Paul in Minnesota.
Dewayne Guthrie
3/14/2013 06:09:09 am
You are a typical QUACK-a-demic, you think you have it all figured out, but are just a paid lackey boy of a corrupted system. REAL diffusionist scholars like Barry Fell would piss on you from his grave.
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Christopher Randolph
3/21/2013 05:37:26 pm
I think one of the things academics have figured out is that bodily functions tend to taper off some in the grave.
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3/15/2013 05:50:18 pm
thank you for publishing this. While i'm intrigued by this America Unearthed program, it also kind'a makes me angry with its oh-so-obvious hype and exaggeration, and god only knows what it leaves out. It's like Ghost Hunters or Conspiracy Files for misguided historian-types. Thanks....
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Dan Richardson
3/15/2013 09:11:05 pm
Tilting At Windmills
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Cathleen Anderson
3/15/2013 07:02:42 pm
There is an article from 1999 by a Dr. Manuel de Silva that can be found in the Newport Library.
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3/17/2013 12:33:54 am
Jim--thank you for writing. Your entire post did not make into the comments because of the word limit. If you would like to email me your thoughts, I will post them in their entirety.
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Dick Anderson
3/21/2013 05:03:59 pm
While anyone can lay stones anyway they like, the stone pattern of the tower appears to be Saxon, which means it could have been built any time between 750CE and 1700CE. It does contain a keystone and a keystone symbol, which is a Masonic construct. But before we all go running off into the woods, let's remember that the Masons use the Abydos Passion Play in their rituals, but that doesn't mean Egyptians built the tower, either. What all of this may well mean, however, is that there is far more cross-culturalization than was previously thought. Isolation is a common misconception among many non-digger archaeologists.
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Marie Carter
4/1/2013 08:32:15 pm
Thank you Jason! You are a breath of fresh air. It is rather obvious that Wolter is just another hack trying to make a buck out of the worn out Templars and Mary Magdalene 'theory'. Note I have 'theory' in quotes, because it is nothing but pure fabrication, a modern invented fairytale, a hoax.
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Dan
5/4/2013 11:17:32 am
A well thought out rebuttle to the History Channels lame attempt to allow some wacko wanna be Indiana Jones the opportunity to uneducate the people of America. Enough with the conspiracy theories, we all know that aliens built it!
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JAMDFH
7/13/2013 05:04:30 am
It's not a windmill! It's a 'well built' windmill exhibited by the fact that its still standing! Mystery solved!
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Jeff Samin
8/27/2013 01:05:36 pm
This Wolter guy has as much credibility as Mr. Peabody on the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show (Peabody's Improbable History) I am very disappointed in H2 for allowing this garbage to be aired. They would be much better served to hire people like you to de-bunk these myths, rather than creating them.
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Don't even argue with the nongs.
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Jeff Samin
12/30/2016 08:57:16 pm
It is still mind-boggling that History Channel continued to air the garbage spewed forth by this charlatan for three seasons. This is a true testament to the gullibility of the viewers. The only positive is that it does help to explain how Donald Trump got elected. Some Americans will believe anything that anybody tells them without any regard for the truth.
Brent
10/2/2013 07:20:52 am
Jason, you seem to have done a good job with historical research on this topic. I found your post to have about ten times more academic merit than the original show.
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Charlie Devine
1/3/2014 03:47:48 am
Cumberlandite was actually found during the 2006 dig at the tower. It was tentatively ID 'd as a meteorite. However, the chemical analysis performed at Arizona State University indicated it was terrestrial with a Titanium content. That tells me the sample recovered was Cumberlandite, which is a Titanium ore, but economically unfeasable to mine and extract. Cumberlandite is already present in Newport, no need to look for it on Prudence a island. As a geologist, Wolter should know Cumberlandite is distributed as a glacial boulder train from it's source at Iron Mine Hill in Cumberland south to Martha's Vineyard. In addition, Wolter stated it is only formed in Cumberland, RI. Again, a geologist should know better. It only outcrops on the surface of the Earth at Iron Mine Hill. It is formed elsewhere and present in deep core samples from Canada. In addition, may we ask how a rock that only outcrops on one place on Earth, Cumberland, RI, ever became known as the Venus Stone by the Templars in the first place? There is a lack of logic in the reasoning there.
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Charlie Devine
1/3/2014 03:51:13 am
In other words, it was the New Age that applied the term "Venus Stone" to Cumberlandite. I think we can safely state the New Age movement significantly post dates the Knights Templar!
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Josey Wales
1/3/2014 03:53:05 pm
It doesn't make a lot of sense for people to come to Newport, Rhode Island and build a monument for making celestial observations during what weatherwise is the worst time of year. Also, there is absolutely no connection between cumberlandite and Venus. Wolter is a charlatan.
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Joe
2/15/2014 12:55:16 pm
The guy is a geologist but seems to talk as if he's an expert on history and architecture. Besides the style of a structure is only useful in limiting how old it could be (known skills or techniques) but doesn't mean it couldn't have been built later. I could build a pyramid today but that won't make me an Egyptian.
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7/3/2014 02:43:57 am
Before you buy into the windmill theory you may wish to review the below: http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/newport.htm
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Wisguy4
8/1/2014 09:42:21 am
Jason, you may want to proofread your review of this episode a bit better. You state that it has 8 arches, but I'm only counting 6. Also, you state that from the 1630s to the 1730s, no one doubted that this was a windmill. I don't think there is any evidence that this was built in the first two years of the colony and if the British colonists found it when they arrived in the Newport area in 1638, that would verify Wolter's claims that it was pre-colonial.
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teedubya
10/9/2014 02:17:24 pm
This is a fantastic blog. I have enjoyed this discussion immensely! After catching this episode on amazon I just had to look into this. I didn't buy the hosts claims for a second but you all have convinced me. Everyone's got an opinion and as long as that's still allowed we will always debate mute points and unsolvable mysteries. Thank you all for entertaining me more than the show did. :)
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Karl
12/27/2014 02:45:31 pm
I have to see this one just so can laugh at him funny how everything he goes looking for he always comes up short and most the time with the same stuff that was already know to any of us old enough to remembers the show In Search Of that said I have spent many a day and night at this place in many a form just pondering on it just about every Newporter has. I bet he didn't mention that at the time when this was built the waterfront was much closer then it is now at that it was built on a hill above a spring or that Newport is really swampy everywhere after it rains as for Gov. Benedict Arnold he didn't build it tho he did claim it as his because it sat just above his house which is where he is buried not there I know they didn't mention that and this stone that y'all talk about is it that one white one that faces the mouth of the bay you can see it in the pic above I have always said it was a light house of sorts
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karl
1/3/2015 08:13:11 am
http://thenewportblast.com/whats-going-to-happen-to-the-newport-tower-on-january-4th/
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Chris
2/25/2015 04:02:41 am
You make a good argument, the only point I would like to make is that the Templars were indeed both devout Catholics as well as Gnostic Christians and as such they practiced numerology and believed in other dimensions; Baphomet was the balanced one who could traverse the various dimensions as he pleased. One thing about America Unearthed that has perplexed me also is how they keep attributing the pentagram to movement of Venus in the stars, but that might very well be true and have something to do with the historical meaning behind the pentagram, but as you probably know it is most commonly associated with Baphomet and this idea of "balance"...it also represents spiritual knowledge. I think he tiptoes around the Templars deification of Baphomet to stay within the realm of chivalrous knights akin to King Arthur. I would like him to elaborate on the fact that the Templars were wool industrialists (which he has mentioned) and how they were only allowed to wear wool clothes, so you can imagine how bad they smelled escapading across the middle eastern deserts. Also you can think of the homosexuality that they were accused of in the same light as modern Catholic Priests. About 200 years after the Templars originated there were so many scandals of the philandering variety amongst their ranks, that the church said, "you guys keep each other warm!" You know? Similar to how they forbade Priests to fornicate or marry at one point. But the Templars actually did hold each other on those cold desert nights...You know kind of like in the same tradition as Spartans partook in man love while at war. The Templars simply told their guys to hold each other, but then that leaves people wondering just how far it went.
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Johnnyhotcakes
12/19/2015 04:57:07 pm
A colonial date makes no sense. Colonials would have built a windmill using wood. Colonials would not have used arches. Colonials would have used English measurements to build the tower. We can agree that Arnold used it as a base for a windmill, but there is a lack of evidence that he built the tower. His will refers to his stone windmill but is there evidence of his building it? Indeed the evidence of attempts to strengthen the foundations belies the notion that the tower was built as a windmill as it is architecturally unsound as a base for a windmill. Is there a contract for the construction? Is there evidence of money paid for the many Mason's that were employed for the project? Why did Arnold build it and have it align with solar and lunar alignments? To incorporate such alignments would have to have been done for some purpose, what was Arnold's purpose? I don't know about Templars or the hooked X but I do know Colonial History and architecture. The Newport Tower does not fit with Colonial architecture. The Tower is a unique artifact, unlike anything constructed in Colonial America. Architecture tells me this was not built as a Colonial windmill.
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Martin Courtenay-Blake
4/12/2016 03:24:43 pm
I'm from Scotland on the other side of the pond and have just wasted an hour of my valuable time watching the t.v documentary in question. I have to admit that I don't think I have seen such a complete load of garbage for a considerable period of time. As a supposed geologist I was amazed that he missed that Cumberlandite is only found on Rhode Island and then only at one location, with the exception of glacial erratics and odd lumps moved by locals over years. To me it looks like a late medieval / early colonial structure made of locally collected stones and lime mortar i.e. typical of so many utilitarian buildings found throughout Europe including here in the British Isles. If it was made by the Templars then it would have certainly been much grander and replete with mystical symbolism. For me it's a windmill, nothing more, nothing less. I don't think I'll subject myself to any more of this idiot's outlandish claims and his desperate attempt to 'prove' that the so called 'Holy Grail' is located somewhere in the US. I can only assume that he is on some kind of religious quest, in which case he won't let anything such as facts get in his way, or he's just trying to sell a load of rubbish books (although I can't imagine who would want to buy them).
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Historian
4/13/2016 08:25:33 am
Amazingly, IMO, he asks that we accept his weathering studies seriously, claims other geologists support his testing method, yet his work appears in no peer review geological venue. At the same time, as a geologist he displays a complete lack of understanding of what Cumberlandite is, and it's distribution. His claim that the Templars knew Cumberlandite as "the Venus stone" is a product of his imagination alone. There is absolute zero historical evidence to support such a claim. None. I really am surprised he was willing to make a claim that is so easily dismissed as baseless.
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John Marks
10/23/2016 11:20:14 am
I am 3 years late to the show, I am currently watching episodes on Netflix. So my apologies for the late posting.
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12/29/2017 11:13:15 am
I love this show for the comedic aspect, and how Scott doubles down on every piece of bad news. The point made above that any smartphone app could show the positioning of Venus had me yelling at my TV during the live airing. And after making this great fuss about Cumberlandite being in the Newport Tower when it was only found miles away, it is quietly muttered that it was spread around by glaciers and may have just been sitting at the site before construction began.
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Historian
2/26/2023 08:01:39 am
As a geologist, Wolter probably(?) knew the Pleistocene involved continental glaciers, and the Tower was in a once glaciated landscape. He knew Cumberlandite outcropped only at Iron Mine Hill in Cumberland, RI. He might have inferred that glacial action resulted in Cumberlandite being found in Newport. He might even have learned about the glacially derived Cumberlandite boulder train. But no, why follow the path of least resistance where evidence is concerned? That, God forbid, resembles science. So, let’s put the Templars in Cumberland, RI, and let’s say they called Cumberlandite the Venus Stone. Uh huh….
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Historian
2/26/2023 07:51:29 am
Mr. Smith: Kent is correct about cod: “ Atlantic cod reproduce through a behavior known as broadcast spawning, where females release eggs and males release sperm into the water column above the seafloor, at the same time.”. They do not mate for life…..
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