The Wild West holds very little interest for me. I don’t care much about noble cowboys sauntering into town on their ruddy steeds, about the whores with hearts of gold that kept frontier towns functioning, or about the glittering depths of mines. I had my fill of Westerns when I read Mark Twain’s Roughing It, and that hasn’t changed in two decades. So when it came time to try to figure out just what this episode of America Unearthed, S03E02 “Guardians of Superstition Mountain,” was going to be about, I realized that I have no background in the Old West and no knowledge of it. So I took a cue from show host Scott Wolter himself. In Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers (2013), our hero cites Wikipedia as a source 14 times in 162 notes, or 9% of all his notes. Therefore, since I had neither the time nor the inclination to pursue this in much detail I decided to follow suit and learn what I could about the Lost Dutchman’s Mine from Wikipedia. But, being unsatisfied with such a source, I then went on to check the sources and read a bit more, though the further reading in the original sources and in other books on the subject didn’t turn up much of interest except for a few corrections. BackgroundThe Lost Dutchman’s Mine is a folk-tale, a legend told and retold so many times that fact and fiction have blended into an impossible confection. Whatever core of truth stood behind the story has long since eroded away. According to the most popular version of the story, a German (i.e., Deutsch, elided as Dutch) man named Jacob Waltz found the largest and richest gold mine in all of America near Arizona’s Superstition Mountains around 1870 but refused to tell anyone the location before his death in 1891. This might or might not have happened, but the grand tales extrapolated from a dying man’s last words have only grown more magnificent with the telling. More than 8,000 people have tried to find the mine, and all share one thing in common: None has found it. To go in search of Waltz’s caves of gold is a fool’s errand, as productive as the fatal quests for the lost mines of the “Roman” city of the Amazon in Manuscript 512, or the fabled Seven Cities of Gold of Spanish legend. So what fool would go in search of this lost mine? Please, like we don’t already know the answer to that question. The history behind the myth is convoluted, so much so that in 1977 nationally recognized folklorist Byrd Granger discovered 62 variants of the story of the Lost Dutchman Mine, which in turn are based on what seem to be four distinct stories of four different lost mines. The most famous, but apparently chronologically last of these was the supposed mine of Jacob Waltz. The variations are complex and confusing and tiresome to rehearse. In simplified form, and in chronological order, the underpinnings of the myth go something like this:
The Lost Dutchman Mine is not a classic story; in fact, aside from a Lost Dutchman Mining & Milling Company operating in 1920 (at the Lost Dutchman Mine of Rowena, Colorado), the local legend left precious little impression on the wider world until 1931, when a treasure hunter named Adolph Ruth died looking for the supposed mine. This death became a newspaper sensation, and it turned the Lost Dutchman Mine into a sensation, and eventually a movie, Lust for Gold (1949), based on a 1945 book by John Griffith Climinson (writing as Barry Storm), itself made possible by Ruth’s death. The book made conspiratorial claims that Storm had been tracked by a sniper to prevent him from finding the lost mine. This was the tipping point that turned the story into a pop culture trope, and I am not embarrassed to report that the only reason I know of the Lost Dutchman Mine is because the Hanna Barbara cartoon characters Ruff and Reddy went in search of the mine in a 1960 serial, and I must have caught it in a rerun in the late 1980s or early 1990s, when the old shows were in heavy cable rotation. By the 1950s, a set of stones engraved with strange symbols were being advertised as a map to the Lost Dutchman’s Mine. These stones, known as the Peralta Stones, after fictitious claims that the Peralta family once mined the Superstition Mountains, have been debunked as modern fakes because they show evidence of having been drilled with modern power tools, according to Charles Polzer of the Arizona State Museum. Like the Ica Stones, the Tucson Lead Artifacts, and other modern forgeries, they feature art style very much unlike other works of their supposed historical era but very much like the untalented hackwork of modern amateurs. Just in case you’re keeping score, the Lost Dutchman craze was kicked off by Ruth’s death, and Ruth’s death was confirmed (by matching a found skull to medical records) by none other than Smithsonian anthropologist Aleš Hrdlička, whom another History Channel show accused of being part of a conspiracy to suppress the truth about Bible giants. Odd that he would create a mystery he could have suppressed, isn’t it? The EpisodeSegment 1
We open with a reenactment of Jacob Waltz’s 1891 death, in which the old man flashes back to his discovery of his fabled mine and his (mostly imaginary) career paying for luxuries with chunks of gold. Waltz whispers the mine’s location to a woman as he lies on a bed above a bag of gold. We then cut to the opening credits. After the credits, we’re off to Apache Junction in the Superstition Mountains of Arizona, where Scott Wolter tells us that he is searching private property for what legend says is the “most storied” mine in American history. To begin his quest, we flash back “one week earlier” for Wolter to tell us about Waltz’s legend (though without explaining why a German man is labeled Dutch)—a story even Wolter concedes is embellished. Wolter meets with historian Thomas Kollenborn, who has been interested in the lost mine since 1944, and has studied the two homicides that had occurred among those searching for the treasure. Kollenborn also relates Native American tales of the thunder gods who guard the mountains. This part of the story is meant to give a supernatural explanation for why the mine has never been found. Then we’re off to look at pictures of the Peralta Stones, which Wolter hopes to decipher and authenticate. En route Wolter briefly mentions Ruth’s death—but not its role in promoting the story to legend status—and we hear about some of the other people who have died in the Arizona desert due to various failures. At the OK Corral in Apache Junction, Wolter meets with Ron Feldman, a treasure hunter who has spent 48 years failing to find the Lost Dutchman Mine. Feldman has what he says are the Peralta Stones, but Wolter expresses dismay as we go to break that the stones are replicas. No fooling. According to Wikipedia, the originals are held by the Arizona Museum of Natural History, which loaned them for long term exhibit to the Superstition Mountain Museum in 2009. (Later in the hour the Museum will contradict this.) But other sources, those repeating claims by Mark Clayton, (wrongly) claim that the stones were held by the Arizona Mining and Mineral Museum in Phoenix until its closure in 2011, after which they were transferred to the Arizona Historical Society. No matter who has custody of them, they are on exhibit recently at the Superstition Mountains Museum, according to no less a source than the Museum itself. Segment 2 After the break, we have an on-screen recap followed by a replay of Wolter’s dismay at the replica rocks. Feldman tells Wolter that the rocks are “B.S.,” but Wolter says he’s like to look for some hidden truth in the rocks anyway. Wolter relates the legend of the Peralta prospectors, but he does not acknowledge that there is no historical evidence that the Peralta mine was in Arizona. (The legend moved it there because a Mexican governor of what is now New Mexico and Arizona shared the name Peralta.) Wolter wants to see the original stones, but Feldman tells him that no one knows where they are. Wolter shows Feldman some small gold ore samples in a staged scene with poor acting as Feldman then tops Wolter by showing him a “real” gold sample, a much larger chunk of ore. Feldman tells Wolter that the chunk of ore was probably from the Lost Dutchman Mine because… well, of a tall tale. The filmmaking here is lacks a bit, and some of the over-the-shoulder shots have lips moving out of sync with the audio, when apparently different takes were melded together poorly. The long and short of it is that the chunk of ore is a geological match for a chunk of gold supposedly taken from beneath Waltz’s bed, and somehow this implies that there is a super-mind full of more gold that anyone can imagine. As we go to commercial, and H2 promo plays. It glamorizes Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed. As the H2 logo spins and the music swells, disembodied voices from Ancient Aliens tell us there is “a hidden hand in history… it’s incredible.” That about sums up everything wrong with the H2 network in just 15 seconds. Segment 3 When we return from the break, Wolter’s voiceover recaps what we’ve already heard, and we see a replay of the opening reenactment. In Queen Valley, Arizona, Wolter meets with his third elderly interviewee, Jim Sieglitz, who hopes Wolter can prove that the stones are authentic. Sieglitz believes that Waltz’s gold wasn’t in a mine at all. Instead, he thinks it’s a shipment of gold raided by the Apaches and hidden in a cave—this being one of the folklore variants of the story outline in the background section above. Sieglitz believes that by applying numerology of some sort to the Peralta Stones, we can read them as signifying trail markers on the way to the gold, and even Wolter wonders whether Sieglitz is simply “picking the numbers you want.” When were these trail markers put up? Who knows? This show won’t tell us. Wolter expresses doubt that he’ll ever see the stones. Does he not have Google? The Superstition Mountains Museum says they have them on exhibit. It is almost like the show is purposely trying to create drama to mask the fact that this episode will fail to find the lost mine. Segment 4 After the break, Feldman tells Wolter about a spot of land where he hopes Wolter will find the gold, and we get a brief lesson on iron pyrite, fool’s gold. Wolter is looking for quartz because he hopes that the quartz will lead him to the gold. We get a recap already of what we just heard two minutes earlier, which was recapping the recap of the recap from before the second to last break. As Wolter wanders through the desert, I have visions of his last desert adventure, searching for the Ark of the Covenant—not because they bear a similarity but because it recalled to my mind the Exodus. This endless recapping is only slightly less entertaining than spending forty years wandering the arid wastes. The Israelites, at least, had manna and giants to keep them company. As we hit another break Wolter sees a snake, which thoughtfully poses so the camera crew can get a close-up. What, no road runner or coyote? Segment 5 After the next break, we pick up with the snake as Wolter bravely walks right on by the snake and begins chipping away at rocks. He keeps on walking through the desert examining rocks. Weirdly, there is no recap, which makes me wonder why segment 4 had multiple recaps. Did the producers need to jam in an extra commercial break, leaving things a bit out of sequence? Wolter is now off to Goldfield, Arizona, where the Mammoth Gold Mine (more formally, the Mammoth-St. Anthony Mine) was, according to Wolter, discovered in 1892, and Wolter speculates that the Mammoth mine was perhaps Waltz’s mine. However, the Mammoth mine claims were started in 1879, and the mine operated from 1881 to 1912. It therefore was in operation when Waltz claimed to be providing information about where the mine really was. Feldman disagrees, but Wolter suggests that the gold from the Mammoth mine might be connected to an outcropping Waltz found on the other side of the same mountain, thus making them one and the same. In a staged scene, Wolter claims to have gotten a text announcing that the “Peralta Stones have been located.” Good to know they have Google at Committee Films. Segment 6 After the break we get a recap, and Wolter is off to the Superstition Mountain Museum where he implies lightly that the stones were “quietly” relocated in what I guess we are to conclude was a conspiracy. “Someone,” he said, texted him this information. This year he doesn’t even pretend that his Baker Street Irregulars are behind the fake texts the producers use to fabricate drama. The Museum tells Wolter that the Flagg Mineral Foundation previously controlled the stones before they came to the Museum, thus refuting both Wikipedia and Mark Clayton. Wolter then authenticates the stones by saying they “look old.” (Science!) We finish the hour with Wolter visiting Waltz’s Phoenix grave, where he finally acknowledges Waltz was German after spending the hour calling him Dutch. He never does explain why Waltz was called Dutch, and I am not sure he knows. Wolter briefly indicates that another anonymous “someone” emailed him a photo of a gold mine, so maybe the mine is real. So, in the end, Wolter found nothing, didn’t even make a convincing argument for his own view that the Lost Dutchman’s Mine was the Mammoth Mine, and declined to make even a cursory stab at separating fact from fiction in probing the historicity of the Lost Dutchman legend. Instead, he concludes that “maybe one day I’ll find out” if the story is true. In short, this was another superficial, lazy hour that lacks a real historical understanding or perspective of the mysteries it claims to investigate.
124 Comments
SaraKate
11/15/2014 02:41:01 pm
Seriously, my favorite part of this show has become watching reruns while reading your reviews at the same time.
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L. Barth
11/15/2014 11:14:31 pm
LOL I do the same thing. It is more entertaining than just watching the show.
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Libbie
12/2/2015 06:02:22 am
So sad that you are teaching your daughter to laugh at history. The man who wrote this article obviously knows nothing about the Superstition Mountains or the people in it. Or any of you commenting on this post. Seriously, he can't even figure out why they called a German man 'Dutch'?? He needs to use his own advice and use Google. While the show may not be as dramatic as before, if you know about actual history, you would know the answers to a lot of Jason's questions.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/15/2014 02:44:23 pm
This episode was a lot of fun …
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Paul
11/15/2014 03:00:10 pm
@4 minutes it says 1 week earlier, look at sky, the sky is exactly the same @34minutes present time - liars and network who deceive the public. we are also to believe @45 minutes the stone he found was by chance, why would i believe that.
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Paul
11/15/2014 03:06:11 pm
or when the guy doing it for 48 years says he doesn't know where the real stones are, ya right.
FrankenNewYork
11/17/2014 04:04:34 am
I thought I saw, but don't have the fortitude to look for again, a close up of Wolter's boot passing behind a big piece of quartz. This was after Wolter says that the presence of three minerals could indicate the presence of quartz (previously noted as the most common crystal) as they are often found near each other.
666
11/16/2014 06:54:27 am
Are ya back reverend
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/16/2014 09:07:26 am
"666" --
Matt Mc
11/15/2014 04:01:02 pm
Jason I am surprised that in the H2 promo you mentioned during the second break you did not mention one of the text that H2 used right after mentioning AA and AU was
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Dan
11/15/2014 04:48:35 pm
I don't know what to say about this episode except that I miss the crazy ranting conspiracy nut Wolter rather than this half-hearted old legend chaser. I'm baffled about why H2 would neuter one of their most out-there fringe guys. I feel almost bad laughing at the show now.
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Only Me
11/15/2014 05:25:53 pm
So Scott pulled a Seinfeld; this was an episode about nothing. Maybe this was the warm-up for the upcoming episode about Montezuma's treasure.
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666
11/16/2014 06:57:45 am
>>>So Scott pulled a Seinfeld
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EP
11/16/2014 07:01:35 am
Sigh... I knew your claim to have been banned was too good to be true...
Seeker
11/15/2014 06:32:43 pm
I appreciate the distillation of the various Lost Dutchman mine legends, Jason. I always learn something from your blog, but in a word, this episode was incredibly BORING--I learned nothing new.
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John Dunham
11/17/2014 01:42:39 am
I think the show would be much better if they paired Jason with Scott. We could have Jason give us the background on where the legend being examined comes from (very interesting) and have Scott wander around looking at rocks (we can see interesting places).
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Truthseeker
11/24/2014 08:08:29 am
While it's possible some Apache may have been in the Superstition Mountains at one time or another, the Kwevkapaya (Yavapai) are the Native Americans who included the Superstitions in their territory and mostly used it for hunting/gathering. It most certainly was NOT an area where the Apache held out against the US Army - not in the least bit. You need to head further south to the Chiricahua Mountains and into Mexico to find their primary locations of resistance.
RLewis
11/16/2014 01:14:25 am
The most interesting part of this episode was seeing a phone that can receive text messages inside a gold mine.
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dlefhcie
11/16/2014 01:30:06 am
Just started watching this episode. I haven't read the review or any of the comments, but I got to the part at the beginning where Wolter says he is going to find the Lost Dutchman's Gold Mine and I just want to predict that he will not do so. Whenever Wolter says he will find something, he never does and honestly never even makes a serious effort to do so during the course of his "investigation". For example, Ark of the Covenant, Grand Canyon cave, Burrows Cave, etc.
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dlefhcie
11/16/2014 02:59:21 am
Spoiler alert, I've finished watching the episode and Wolter didn't find anything, despite his assurance he would. And as usual, Wolter's version of an investigation is an unorganized waste of time. Taking tall tales as fact, looking at fakes and calling them old and real without any actual examination, never bothering to check the real background of the story and of course wandering around the countryside and/or digging up something to make sure everyone knows he is a "real life Indiana Jones". This all made for another boring episode with endless recaps and useless interviews. I love the hypocrisy of Wolter espousing how important it was to get out there and look for yourself, when all he does is spend about an hour wandering around at the end of the episode before deciding he'd had enough.
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Brent
11/19/2014 06:15:17 am
There is one thing Scott Wolter always finds: "THE TRUTH"!
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augie
11/16/2014 02:53:29 am
Scott did find the Peralta stones in a museum....this makes him a hero that America owes a debt of gratitude to. He solved this mystery. Who would have guessed they were in a museum all this time?
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Scott wasn't interested in finding anything and did a very poor job of even explaining the Lost Duchman's Mine legend. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of versions of the Lost Duchman's gold and Scott Wolter pretty much ignored 98% of the legends to try to simplify the legend and make it seem like he was going to show up and find the gold. It would have been far more interesting if he would have explored more of the different legends and actually gone out into the Superstition Mountains. For example, on the trail from Canyon Lake to the First Water trailhead is the foundation for a "very old" (Scott's scientific term) small building that is possibly a remains from the Peralta's in the area. That would have been interesting to have shown and Scott could have definitely worked it into some sort of conspiracy theory angle.
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Will
11/16/2014 04:00:10 am
"Wolter expresses doubt that he’ll ever see the stones. Does he not have Google? The Superstition Mountains Museum says they have them on exhibit. It is almost like the show is purposely trying to create drama to mask the fact that this episode will fail to find the lost mine."
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Clete
11/16/2014 05:18:07 am
You can't fool me. I know where the lost gold is. Aliens came to earth, enslaved the locals and mined it. Then left, leaving the Peralta stones as evidence just to fool us... and Scott Wolter.
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EP
11/16/2014 01:50:39 pm
They didn't leave. Daniel Craig and Harrison Ford got 'em :)
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tm
11/16/2014 06:13:08 am
No, no, no. The Apache gave the gold to the German Dutchman because they thought he was the reincarnation of their great white god Rough Hurech. Hurech, a dyslexic alchemist, brought the stone of destiny to America where he used it to turn the Tucson artifacts from gold to lead. Embarrassed, he buried them before dying. The Scottish connection is obvious: the "horse" on the Peralta stone is actually a Shetland pony.
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Shane Sullivan
11/16/2014 06:40:14 am
"Wolter expresses doubt that he’ll ever see the stones. Does he not have Google?"
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EP
11/16/2014 07:00:06 am
...Unless a manly man decides to write a history book. In that case, Internet originals are the only source manly enough! :D
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Harry
11/16/2014 07:36:46 am
What?! No Templar/Freemasonry references? I guess this season is a bid for respectability, or Wolter's pet obsession is getting too old even for Committee films.
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Jerky
11/16/2014 08:20:02 am
They did show a tombstone with a Freemason symbol on it in that grave yard at the end of the episode.
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Kal
11/16/2014 07:42:15 am
Why is it that when treasure hunters go out on a Jeraldo Rivera, they never actually find anything?
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Ac
11/16/2014 08:22:42 am
I thought the end of this episode was really bizarre. He spends the whole show trying to find the peralta stones. When he does find them all he does is take a picture,says they look old then nothing more is said. He then mentions getting an email from someone with a picture of a mine which proves what exactly? Doesn't say anything more about that, or follow up on it so why even mention it? At the ending " maybe one day ill find out" seems like he lost all his enthusiasm and just dropped it cold. This seemed like an episode Wolter wasn't really that interested in, and was just going through the motions for the producer.
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Brent
11/19/2014 06:19:24 am
Yeah, he really did seem bored. More than he has been before, even.
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CHV
11/16/2014 08:47:20 am
The lone dramatic highlight of this episode was Scott almost stepping on a snake - or so the editor would like us to think.
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Only Me
11/16/2014 09:28:39 am
I'm glad the snake didn't bite him. It would have suffered a long, agonizing death.
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EP
11/16/2014 10:28:20 am
Scott Wolter does not wear a condom because there is not such thing as protection from Scott Wolter.
Gary R
11/16/2014 09:44:31 am
Has this self anointed, modern day Indiana Jones , ever found anything?
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G Edwin
11/16/2014 10:21:09 am
Ruff and Ready cartoons are where I first learned about the Lost Dutchman mine too!
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Clint Knapp
11/16/2014 11:04:04 am
I knew it! Jason's a Templar! The new "Jason Colavito Blog" graphic is all the proof I need! Where are you hiding the Last Scion?!
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EP
11/16/2014 11:09:47 am
I agree that it looks pretty cool. Does that mean that Jason will stop using registered trademark sign every time says "Hooked X"? :P
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11/16/2014 11:53:32 am
Your wish is my command, though it's a work in progress.
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Clint Knapp
11/16/2014 01:55:53 pm
Hey, that works. I like the extra hint of depth. It brings a little more pop into the title bar and name without getting too distracting. Helps break up the relative "flatness" of the rest of the page, too.
SouthCoast
11/16/2014 02:46:55 pm
I learned about the mine back in the early 60s from an impeccable source: Walter Brennan's hit single, "Dutchman's Gold". Surprised AU didn't mention it! ;)
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Shane Sullivan
11/16/2014 05:49:57 pm
Actually, there was one other thing I was going to mention. The other day, you said that radio host Matt McNeil claimed to have never seen a book with more citations than Wolter's, and that that makes his assertions undeserving of criticism. Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers has 162 notes, as you just pointed out; Cthulhu in World Mythology has a 181.
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EP
11/17/2014 03:12:46 am
The book I'm reading right now has 1784 notes. But something tells me Matt McNeil aren't likely to ever see it...
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Shane Sullivan
11/17/2014 06:39:43 am
Heck, even Fingerprints of the Gods has like 1300, which is why I call it the most thoroughly-researched piece of speculative fiction ever written. Most of them were references to Donnelly, Santillana and Hapgood, but still.
EP
11/17/2014 07:12:58 am
Check out Vladimir Nabokov's Pale Fire :)
Hoyt Clagwell
11/16/2014 06:11:22 pm
I always enjoy watching shows about places I've been to and know well. You would never know from the show that that museum is just down the road from the Mammoth mine and Goldfield which is now a fake ghost town tourist spot. Had he gone down the road a little further and stopped at the Bluebird Mine gift shop he could have talked to John Wilburn to get the real story. John is a real geologist who wrote a short booklet about the whole history of the Dutchman, his mine, and where it is. I won't spoil it, but it wouldn't make for a very exciting episode.
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even noone found out where the mine is, everyone knows reading, and looking takes time. and sime one should watch the area and look at the same time study the maps, stores, and where did he live, how long he was gone, and what did he buy with this gold. everyone if they have the money, they will buy it, and hide things. thrn maybe, the mine is out, never had much there, maybe, he blow it closed, walled it in. ECT
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Bwhite
11/17/2014 03:33:28 am
The show Myth Hunters on the American Heroes channel had an episode on the Dutchmans mine. Goes over the legend in more detail. So seeing that show had me prepared to watch AU but Mr. Wolter of course dropped the ball. I actually miss the first season. There was effort at least.
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Jerky
11/17/2014 05:27:52 am
I don't see what the big interest is in this "Lost Dutchman's mine". If it's for gold, these treasure hunters would have more profit with less costs going to closed down abandoned mines that can be found on detailed topographic maps, when I was in New Mexico, a few friends and my self went down into a few mines shown on a map and saw plenty of gold ore still waiting to be pulled out. So why wast time and money on looking for gold in a mine that might not even exist when there are known mines that could still produce enough gold for a 2 or 3 man team to get pretty rich?
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The reason these mines are no longer in use is that are not capable of turning a profit. They were originally dug to chase a rich vein. As long as the vein held out, they would be turning a profit as the processing costs would be relatively cheap. Once the vein runs out they would pull up stakes and look else where.
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Jerky
11/18/2014 02:10:27 am
"The reason these mines are no longer in use is that are not capable of turning a profit"
What I was referring to in these older small operations is that at the time of operation they were pulling out enough gold to be profitable. remember at the time of operation (1860 - 1910) gold was selling for $20.00 to $25.00 per troy ounce. So once the easy gold was gone, you would move to a new area and try again.
Jerky
11/18/2014 09:23:18 am
Yes, but again, there is no real evidence that it even exists, so why wast time and money looking for something no one has even found? It's been what, over 80 years or so since folks first started looking for it? And has any one got any return on there investments? It just seems like a lot of wasted work and resources chasing after that free mother load. For all we know, he could have just been panning the gold or using a sluice box dry.
Jerky
11/19/2014 09:02:22 am
I would if I could, but even if I did, I doubt they will care what I have to say.
debra driscoll
12/4/2015 11:07:56 am
There????? It's THEIR. Now who has the fried brain?
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I discovered America Unearthed and watched 4 episodes Saturday evening. My impressions...
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tm
11/17/2014 03:01:03 pm
The results from Occam's razor depend on how you define the problem. If you want to use your skills to seek historical accuracy, Occam's razor will give you one set of answers. If you want to use your skills to seek attention, make money, and travel free to cool places, Occam's razor will give you a different set of answers. Being generous, I would call it more of a problem with cognitive dissonance than with Occam's razor.
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TJ
11/17/2014 03:11:17 pm
I find much comic relief reading everyone's comments. It's as though your lives revolve around each episode. Reading these posts remind me of when my child would come to tell me that her arm hurts when she moves it up and down. She looks at me with wide eyes knowing that I hold all the wisdom in the world. So I tell her to not move her arm up and down. Wow, it's magic. All the pain goes away.
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Only Me
11/17/2014 05:54:46 pm
You don't like the opinions expressed here, so you belittle the commenters, then issue a challenge to "provoke good intelligent conversations".
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Seeker
11/17/2014 06:10:10 pm
I can only speak for myself, but I think you've touched on the problem: the show isn't entertaining and well-researched enough to warrant being on television. The show had great potential but fell short; ideally something better can replace it. Not everyone has given up on the hope of quality programming.
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EP
11/17/2014 06:15:11 pm
"marketing and production people behind these shows follow what's being said about their programs on social media"
Brent
11/19/2014 06:39:49 am
All these reviews usually are is literally listing Scott Wolter's claims and then, in your words, "seeing what matches and what doesn't" against the facts. That's basically the whole thing. Have you even read these reviews?
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TJ
11/18/2014 03:08:16 am
This show may not be entertaining to some but to others it is. Who decides got the nation what should or should not be viewed as entertainment?
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TJ
11/18/2014 03:31:06 am
I apologize for the auto-correct on certain words that make my comments seem incoherent. The comment box will lock up and I have to repeatedly tap out to another block in order to re-enter and continue my comments.
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Only Me
11/18/2014 06:12:46 am
Your first sentence is a strawman.
Brent
11/19/2014 06:53:12 am
Opinions are great, and there's nothing wrong with Scott Wolter's (incorrect) opinions alone. What I (and many of us) find so offensive is his method of reaching/supporting that opinion. He often skews evidence one way or the other, or dismisses it out of hand. In the first season, his methods were even worse, with many failures of doing obvious research and due diligence. Not only that, he obscures lots of other facts, or leaves obviously contradictory evidence out of the equation. That's dishonest, and his methods and claims are intellectually dishonest.
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EP
11/19/2014 09:39:45 am
"there's nothing wrong with Scott Wolter's (incorrect) opinions alone"
Matt Mc
11/19/2014 09:54:24 am
I think everyone has a right to their own opinions whether they are correct or not. An opinion is not fact it is just what someone believes.
TJ
11/18/2014 10:39:51 am
All, especially EP,
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Only Me
11/18/2014 12:39:12 pm
I don't think so. Scott would more likely try to find some tenuous Eurocentic connection a la Vikings, perhaps. Maybe a nod to the Mound Builders. The only religious arc he follows involves the Templars and the Holy Bloodline.
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Clint Knapp
11/18/2014 03:21:06 pm
In fact, the one time he "investigated" an explicitly giant-related fringe claim (Rockwall episode), he went out of his way to agree with actual science for once and declared it a natural phenomenon.
EP
11/18/2014 02:57:48 pm
Jerky, if you don't mind, could you tell us about the farm breakin again? I think it's highly instructive. Like, what were they looking for? How did they know about the Masonic symbol? Any details would be great.
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Jerky
11/19/2014 12:14:29 am
I would love to EP, of course that is only if Jason gives the okay.
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Jerky
11/19/2014 05:31:37 am
I mean I'm not concerned to much about any legal issues, but there is always a very tiny chance it could get Jason in legal trouble, and I don't want that. So maybe I should email it to Jason and see if he thinks it should be posted? Maybe see if it should be reworked and edited so that it can be posted? Or where it needs to be posted if it's okay to post it?
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EP
11/19/2014 07:59:43 am
As long as you don't make it sound like it's Wolter's or AU's fault (and don't name names of those idiots), I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Jerky
11/19/2014 08:57:02 am
Note: I make no claim this is the fault of Scott or his show, The fault rests squarely with the individuals who preformed the act of vandalism. The names, numbers, and other information of that nature will be left out. My claim is only that the Trespassers claimed to have been inspired to look for hidden Freemason documents that they felt might provide proof for the claims on the show they watched being true. (Jason, feel free to edit or remove as you see fit, as my use of words is rather poor.)
EP
11/19/2014 09:15:25 am
Thanks, Jerky!
Clint Knapp
11/19/2014 09:24:34 am
Thanks for sharing this, Jerky. It's definitely a story worth telling even if it didn't have the AU inspiration behind it. It's disgusting what people will do in the name of harebrained schemes; especially when it comes down to destroying someone's property and livelihood.
Jerky
11/19/2014 09:40:00 am
They where not locals, at lest not any I know or have seen around any of the 3 towns in this county, or living on a farm. Not sure where they where from but there tags where from out of state is all I will say.
EP
11/19/2014 09:45:34 am
That's interesting, actually. This means that they may have traveled far to screw around your local cemetery and your farm. I wonder if they'd "visited" anyone else's property along the way before getting caught... :)
Jerky
11/19/2014 10:02:30 am
It's all ways possible. But I never bothered to ask, and I doubt they would have been dumb enough to confess to other counts of trespassing.
EP
11/19/2014 10:08:38 am
"I doubt they would have been dumb enough to confess to other counts of trespassing."
Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/18/2014 04:01:51 pm
Especially in spring time, the Sonoran Desert is GORGEOUS …
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/19/2014 07:30:17 am
Well, again …
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EP
11/19/2014 08:22:00 am
I have known the Arizona desert for 25+ years as both a personal friend and a professional colleague... I assure you that it is not a Nazi...
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Matt Mc
11/19/2014 08:26:49 am
nor is it a racist, and all racist statements made by it are in fact not racist statements but rather just observations.
EP
11/19/2014 09:32:15 am
It was a Neo-Nazi lecture, I swear! Not a Neo-Nazi rally! :P
Sir Donny Brooke
11/19/2014 09:52:12 am
^^^^^and j@ckA$$ is a popular movie with its tag*team sequel^^^^^
Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/19/2014 09:47:00 am
An excellent way to get a quick safe experience is to go to South Mountain Park, which is just on the southern edge of Phoenix … and the Desert Botanical Garden is spectacular ...
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TJ
11/19/2014 10:17:18 am
Well now, thank you for the support Che but I believe our fellow bloggers proved my original point.
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EP
11/19/2014 10:20:44 am
"EP is proud to delete posts because they got off topic and it's in the terms to do do. Correct you are. You and Jason have every right to control the narrative."
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TJ
11/19/2014 10:41:27 am
EP,
EP
11/19/2014 10:42:27 am
How about my other points? Who's *really* the one deflecting? LOL
EP
11/19/2014 10:55:01 am
"me and Gunn let EP get a little of his own back B4 poor Gunn departed."
Jerky
11/19/2014 10:34:59 am
Okay? what's your point?
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silverfish
11/20/2014 06:09:24 pm
Jerky, thank you! I'm a daily reader of this blog but never contribute (for any number of boring reasons). But I am always engaged in the blog as I learn a ton from Jason's reviews and often from contributors such as yourself. I am a University professor and I learned a long time ago that proper spelling and grammar are essential skills - and need to be cultivated if missing- but are uncorrelated with intelligence or (probably more important) critical thinking. Thanks for sharing your very interesting and telling story!
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Jerky
11/21/2014 01:26:29 am
Okay? That's good to know
Jerky
11/21/2014 02:04:26 am
silverfish, what class are you a professor of? If you don't mind me asking.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/19/2014 12:13:10 pm
"In the desert, you can remember your name, 'cuz there ain't no one for to give you no pain … "
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James Reavis faked the Peralta Land Grant, not Michael Peralta
11/19/2014 12:21:10 pm
A man named Miguel Peralta operated a gold mine in Valencia, California, in the 1860s, and this once very rich mine is still visible in Valencia today. But when the mine ran out of gold, Peralta tried to make money by selling a fake Spanish Empire deed to southern Arizona and New Mexico. THIS FRAUD, IN TURN, FED INTO A LATER ARIZONA LAND FRAUD. In the 1930s, the story became folded in to the Lost Dutchman story in mangled form, with Peralta now alleged to be the victim of a fictitious massacre by Apaches who had discovered a gold mine." (Jason Colavito)
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TJ
11/19/2014 01:41:22 pm
Che
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EP
11/19/2014 02:16:38 pm
Good one! Did you come up with it all by yourself?
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tm
11/19/2014 02:33:20 pm
Better if he hadn't misspelled hole and geologist.
Jerky
11/20/2014 01:09:54 am
That's just sad....wost joke I have ever heard
EP
11/20/2014 10:56:12 am
You're still under the impression that anyone sees you as anything other than an annoyance, aren't you, . ?
EP
11/20/2014 02:05:16 pm
The comment above is in response to one that's been deleted. Not to tm or Jerky (or even TJ).
Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/19/2014 03:16:50 pm
"The desert is an ocean with its life underground and the perfect disguise above …"
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EP
11/20/2014 03:00:05 am
Speaking of lives underground and perfect disguises... :P
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
11/20/2014 11:24:09 am
"EP" (whoever you are) --
Only Me
11/20/2014 07:56:25 pm
Ever feel like you're one dumbass away from completely losing it?
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Jerky
11/21/2014 01:30:21 am
Only Me, every day.
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Only Me
11/21/2014 06:14:48 am
Just another wall of text containing subject matter unrelated to the article above.
Jerky
11/21/2014 06:51:34 am
For some reason I'm not receiving the normal emails when a new post has been made. So I was starting to think I was going nuts for a second.
EP
11/21/2014 02:17:09 am
"I don't mean to unnecessarily complain, but I am really damn tired of seeing this blog wallpapered in spam by one certain individual"
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Coridan
11/21/2014 06:03:06 pm
I first heard about it from an episode of Unsolved Mysteries (the original with Robert Stack), I had taken it as face value up until your post (not that I was ever planning an expedition)
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Hal Croves
4/23/2015 01:11:53 am
"In short, this was another superficial, lazy hour that lacks a real historical understanding or perspective of the mysteries it claims to investigate."
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Martal
10/26/2015 02:20:20 pm
Thanks for this excellent recap. Just watched the episode which started out being quite intriguing. But when the host announced that he would "do his best" to look for the the mine, I kinda assumed that he'd gather a team of volunteers and have a couple of drones equipped with cameras and ground-penetrating radar at his disposal that would do an exhaustive 'grid search' of the target area. But no, we just see him wandering aimlessly by himself through the desert dodging rattle snakes and picking up the odd rock -- EPIC fail! Especially since in the next scene he concludes that the 'lost mine' and the 'Mammoth Mine' were probably one and the same! What a colossal let-down and waste of everyone's time!!!
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