This week, the new head of the Discovery Channel, Rich Ross, announced that he was ending that network’s practice of showing fake documentaries, like the one about the prehistoric shark falsely claimed to still be alive, or the one about man pretending to get eaten by a snake. According to Ross, the network with make “true” information “mandatory” on its shows. Unfortunately, H2 is owned by a different conglomerate, and we’re stuck with hour after hour of flights of fancy passing for science.
Due to some preexisting commitments, I have a little less time this evening than usual, so my review may be a bit spottier than usual.
The obelisk known as Cleopatra’s Needle came to New York’s Central Park in 1881 because Americans were jealous that Paris and London each had recently acquired one of their own, as did Rome—though its several obelisks arrived in the Roman era. The obelisk dates to about 1450 BCE and was erected at Luxor by Thutmose III.
Wanting to be seen as coequal with the great European power, the powerful New York newspapers began agitating for an American obelisk as soon as news broke that one would leave for London in 1877. Through a serious of blunders, the papers mistakenly claimed that the Khedive of Egypt (the Ottoman viceroy) had planned to give an obelisk to America, and in March 1877 various officials decided to start a fundraising effort to bring the obelisk to America. William H. Vanderbilt contributed $100,000 and selected the site in Central Park where the monument would stand. His reasons for picking the site were obscure, but typically it is attributed to the limited locations available in Central Park, its proximity to the Metropolitan Museum, and the ease with which the obelisk could be anchored to bedrock to secure it safely.
An American official in Cairo, Judge Farman, received two letters from the State Department “accepting” the “gift” of an obelisk that had never been made. Farman, however, took the opportunity to simply ask the Khedive to give America an obelisk. In May 1877, the Khedive donated the matching obelisk that once formed a pair with the one in London, to the United States, for its friendly neutrality in the struggle between France and Britain for control of Egyptian affairs.
However, the Egyptians were not happy about the Khedive exporting their heritage, and protests and legal challenges prevented the monument from leaving the country until 1880. In July, it arrived in New York, and a team of 32 horses and a steam engine took 112 days to drag it to Central Park. The obelisk finally went up in 1881.
When Freemasons found on the obelisk some symbols that are similar to those of the Freemasons (largely due to the Freemasons recycling older symbols and then reading them backward into history) the Masons decided that the piece deserved full Masonic honors. It was difficult to find a date for the ceremony since it was hard work just getting city officials to agree to allow a Masonic ceremony, for they weren’t big on Masonic parades. The Masons had wanted October 2 as a date, but city officials had already booked that day for the unveiling of a bust of Scottish poet Robert Burns, so it had to move. (So much for a government conspiracy!)
On October 9, 1880, the Grand Master of the Masons of New York, Jesse B. Anthony, laid the cornerstone for the obelisk, just as the Masons were asked to do at most major constructions, including the Statue of Liberty. He spoke about architecture, antiquity, and the (myth of) Masonic history dating back to Egypt. He also placed a box in the cornerstone, as per tradition. Fifty thousand people watched as nine thousand Masons marched to the Park for the ceremony. A hymn was composed and sung, praising God for sending the obelisk, which it called the “ancient Sign / Of Thine own Light Divine,” prompting conspiracy theorists to suggest a hidden meaning. There is one, of course, and it goes back to the Masonic view, derived from medieval texts, that obelisks symbolized the pillars of Solomon’s Temple, and in turn two Pillars of Wisdom Enoch erected to preserve knowledge before the Flood—the last remnant of the old myth of the Watchers.
Anti-Masonic conspiracy theorists saw something sinister and pagan in the Egyptian symbolism and themes in Masonic ceremonies. But rather than attribute this to archaizing tendencies (as, for example the Grange adopted what it believed to be the trappings of the Eleusinian Mysteries), conspiracy theorists instead argued that the Masons actually retained genuine Egyptian traditions across thousands of years, and that they secretly were devil-worshipers who used obelisks to symbolize the lost phallus of Osiris. The Masons didn’t exactly dispute most of this. In The Master Mason in 1921, the Mason and Christian writer John Jabez Lanier described the Egyptian belief in resurrection and added that “that first faith is our faith today.” However, due to the influence of the solar theory of the mythology popular in the 1800s, Masons of that era mistakenly believed that Osiris was the sun, or a fertility god. To that end, some conspiracy writers have purposely misrepresented a contemporary article from the Freemasons Repository as confirming that the Masons raised the obelisks “to praise and adore the divinity of the sun,” though the original article says that Thutmose III, not Masons, had that purpose in mind.
For Scott Wolter, though, obelisks have a slightly different meaning. Rather than being demonic solar symbols, for him they are instead giant penises fertilizing the divine goddess he seems to think that the Freemasons and the Knights Templar worshiped. Last season he discussed this in terms of the Washington Monument, which he argued was a penis impregnating what he imagined to be a vulva inscribed on the National Mall (S02E07). Although this was a figment of his imagination (the “vulva” was added only a few years ago to a monument started in 1848), Wolter continues to believe that the Masons are involved in secret goddess worship that involves phallic symbolism. Otto Augustus Wall, who famously described the Golden Fleece as a blonde Aryan woman’s public hair, described the Central Park obelisk as one of the “phallic pillars” in his classic bit of pseudo-history Sex and Sex Worship (1919), so this is nothing new.
We open with the opening of a briefcase within which is a model of the Chrysler Building, the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building and other New York City monuments. These Scott Wolter solemnly places on a street map of New York City as dry ice swirls around the structures. The last of these is Cleopatra’s Needle, in Central Park. Then we cut to the opening credits before jetting off for Central Park.
“That was a long, pointless opening,” my brother said, seeing the show for the first time tonight. It is the first time I’ve watched the show with other people in the room. I usually don’t because it makes it hard to concentrate on my writing.
Wolter gives a potted history of the English takeover of New Amsterdam as Wolter arrives in Central Park to meet his tipster, Dorothy McCarthy, to whom he mansplains her Egyptian-themed jewelry. Dorothy is wearing the cartouche of Thutmose III, the pharaoh who built the obelisk now known as Cleopatra’s Needle. McCarthy was the advocate who got the Egyptian government to protest to the New York mayor’s office, who in turn covered the monument in scaffolding as part of a restoration effort. McCarthy tells Wolter that the obelisk was erected in honor of Amon-Ra, the sun god, whom Wolter considered Egypt’s most important god. Wolter notes that there is a similar obelisk in Paris, and McCarthy notes that one is in London.
Wolter states that the obelisks came from Heliopolis where it once guarded an academy of wisdom, and he confuses the Mysteries with the Seven Liberal Arts. He seems to say that the obelisks are all that remains of this Mystery school, but that isn’t true.
McCarthy spins a Masonic conspiracy theory in which she alleges that when the obelisk was moved from Egypt, Masonic artifacts were found in its foundation, leading to the Masons becoming obsessed with this obelisk and erecting it in New York. In early reports, some of the hieroglyphs resembled Masonic symbols, but much later sources started to speak of Masonic “artifacts.” Such artifacts could not have been found in the obelisk’s foundation stone because the obelisk had been moved from Luxor to Alexandria in the Roman era. Its foundation stone was long gone.
After a verbal recap, Wolter again asserts that Masonic artifacts were found under Cleopatra’s Needle, and based on this assertion he builds a fictitious hypothesis that the pyramid builders were ancient Freemasons deeply connected to the Founding Fathers of America. To that end, he calls his wife Janet to ask her what she can find about the obelisk’s location. She connects Wolter to Brendon Green, a Freemason based in New York, whom he “contacts” via staged text messages for an afternoon meeting in Brooklyn, illustrated with a block-by-block map of Wolter’s amazing adventure across the urban jungle.
Green gives a potted history of how Henry H. Gorringe, a Freemason, arranged for the obelisk to be transported from Alexandria to New York (he cut a hole in the side of a boat to get it on board), and Wolter ties William Vanderbilt’s funding of the obelisk’s journey to the last of the Vanderbilts still in the public eye, Anderson Cooper. Rather than ask Cooper whether William Vanderbilt was a Freemason, the two men speculate that he must have been even though there is no evidence to support the claim.
After the men gape in awe at the engineering involved in transporting the obelisk, we go to commercial with nothing more than some gaseous speculation about Freemasons masquerading for an investigation.
After an on-screen recap—which now corrects the “artifacts” found beneath the obelisk to “symbols”—Wolter recaps the show verbally, during which he asserts that the Freemasons were responsible for founding America. Wolter is still speaking to Green, and he tells Green that “artifacts” were found beneath the obelisk, and Green agrees. The Freemasons make mention of this, but they didn’t seem to consider it anything extraordinary. (In fact, the Masons cautioned that this “does not mean that Masonic Lodges existed in ancient China or Egypt.”) Nor does it make much sense since the obelisk had been moved to Alexandria in Roman times; therefore, the tools are more likely those of the Roman engineers than the ancient Egyptians.
Wolter babbles about solar and astronomical symbolism before asking about Masonic symbolism on the Great Seal of the United States. He wants to know about the unfinished capstone on the pyramid, and he suggests that the Eye of Providence is actually the Eye of Horus, from Egyptian faith. The two men agree that the pyramid “takes us back to Egypt.” But Green took a “vow of secrecy” that prevents him from sharing Masonic secrets with Wolter, so Wolter returns to the Washington Monument investigation from Season Two to repeat his false claims about the secret symbolism of Washington, D.C.’s street grid. Wolter believes that Cleopatra’s Needle has the same connection, and his wife dutifully informs him by telephone that the monument’s position was selected by William Vanderbilt. Wolter’s wife “discovers” that the Vanderbilts built Grand Central Station and commissioned its famous astronomical ceiling.
After a recap, Wolter takes us to Grand Central Terminal and notes that the constellations were painted in reverse (for the most part), except for the constellation of Orion. Wolter uses his branded tablet computer to read emails from Janet about further obelisks in New York, the Thomas Addis Emmet Obelisk and the Worth Obelisk, which form a line roughly similar to the belt stars of Orion. I just know he wants to say they are aligned that way. Unfortunately, Janet Wolter is cherry-picking: there are several more obelisks in New York City, which would ruin the alignment. Wolter connects the Emmet Obelisk in front of St. Paul’s Chapel to the Freemasons, and we go to commercial.
After an on-screen recap, Wolter travels to Worth Square to look at the 1857 Worth Monument, which was designed by James Goodwin Batterson, the designer of Washington’s Masonic Temple, to stand above Mexican-American war hero Gen. Worth’s grave when his body was returned to New York from Texas, where he died in 1849. Wolter now makes the three obelisks into a map of Orion’s Belt, because the three obelisks are not in alignment, but the distances are off. They don’t form a perfect correlation to Orion’s belt. I don’t have a handy map, though, to pull this together.
But he’s saving this for the grand revelation at the end of the show.
Instead, we waste time looking at the accidental alignment of Manhattan streets with the setting sun. Even Scott Wolter recognizes that this alignment is a coincidence.
After another recap, Wolter is back at his lab talking with Cari Marryman, a designer who has laid out various Manhattan monuments (“not to scale”) on a map of New York City. These she removes and replaces with models of the obelisks. Wolter declares these obelisks Orion’s belt, and he then asserts that the Giza pyramids are also aligned with Orion’s Belt, which was Robert Bauval’s Orion Correlation Theory, which even its great supporters—like Graham Hancock—now concede do not form a mathematically perfect correlation but a “symbolic” one. Wolter asserts that the obelisk alignment “points” to the Statue of Liberty, which he asserts (as per season 1) that the statue is the goddess Isis and therefore the star Sirius. No support is offered for any of this, and no effort is made to show that the “alignment” has a close mathematical relationship to the Orion belt stars. Nevertheless, Wolter is convinced that the alignment “proves” an Egyptian connection to Freemasonry.
As you can see form the map below, the alignment isn’t really close. (North is up.)
It's also not very good when I ignore scale and directions altogether and just try to fit them. I would have expected more precision.
Now how did they know that the Statue of Liberty would go on Liberty Island when the first obelisk went up a century before? IT'S ALL A PLOT!
Oh, and the real reason the obelisks are in a rough line? Each was most likely independently placed as close as was practical to Manhattan's central axis.
1/10/2015 02:27:30 pm
The fake text messages was corny, I thought I was watching some CW post-pubescent soap opera.
1/10/2015 03:00:37 pm
Your joking, right? This isn't ancient aliens, where even then it's stupid when they talk about Bigfoot.
1/10/2015 03:03:44 pm
I wish. The trailer for next week was about Bogfoot. And DNA was mentioned. I did a double take because of Jason's last post.
1/10/2015 03:04:59 pm
I meant "Bigfoot" ...damn fingers.
1/10/2015 02:49:29 pm
Springfield, Illinois; Indianpolis, Indiana; and Columbus, Ohio all form a similar line just like the pyramids and Orion's belt. Did ancient extraschmekels build these three midwest capitals as a beacon for others? Why are they all boring? More, after this break.
1/10/2015 02:54:07 pm
Scott Wolter: Just a Midwestern boy, taking a bite of of the Big Apple!
1/10/2015 03:14:42 pm
And to think this crapfest will be followed by an episode investigating Bigfoot.
1/10/2015 03:48:34 pm
Oh come on Only me...only a forensic geologist as credible as Scott Wolter can find out that Bigfoot existed. After all...Bigfoot DID make it to America before Columbus. Just ask the Ancient Alien theorists. I'm sure there's a rune stone he left behind as a land marker before he went back to the mothership as a means of claiming America for the greys.
1/10/2015 04:13:43 pm
Hopefully, Scott won't need his loupe or camera adapter to identify the stone Bigfoot throws at his head!
1/11/2015 02:34:13 am
Loupe... heh... what a funny word :)
1/11/2015 04:34:40 am
I actually felt sorry for ol' Scott when I saw that promo. Talk about jumping the shark.
1/13/2015 03:36:09 pm
Oh, and don't forget the Knights Templar and the Freemasons, also stopped by to say hi to big foot
1/10/2015 03:49:56 pm
What I learned this week:
1/10/2015 03:55:59 pm
Look on the plus side Matt...at least Tsoukalos won't be there with him. I hope.
1/10/2015 03:59:39 pm
I wonder if he will look for Nessie next. He could claim the Templar used Nessie's distant relative to pull a water chariot across the Atlantic and left it behind in Lake Champlain were it became Champ.
1/11/2015 12:36:55 am
Nessie is in Scotland is she not - she must be a Templar
1/11/2015 01:17:09 am
John Dunham, Your tongue in check comment adds No Value to the discussion. Try using some facts.
1/11/2015 02:36:32 am
YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY MOUTH JOHN DURHAM!!! :P
1/10/2015 04:50:20 pm
Folks, FYI Grand Central Station is a Post Office! Grand Central Terminal is where the Vanderbilt's built the constellation in reverse accidently, then hired a PR firm to put a good face on it. The firm came up with the explanation that the ceiling was done, "as God would see it." Even the most basic research would turn up this story, and, oh my goodness, to not even know the difference between a station and a terminus.
1/10/2015 05:34:09 pm
"After a recap, Wolter takes us to Grand Central Terminal and notes that the constellations were painted in reverse (for the most part), except for the constellation of Orion."
1/10/2015 05:39:11 pm
Actually, both names are acceptable:
1/12/2015 06:56:27 am
Ok now my reply button is working. Please see my response at the end of this list. I can't leave this alone. A "Terminal" is a terminus. The end of the line. Trains can't go any further once they reach this terminus. A " Station" is a stop along the way on a route, where trains can proceed to stops in either direction. So actually. Both names are not acceptable, and neither is sourcing Wikipedia, unless of course you are a researcher for Scott Wolter or Giorgio Tsoukolos.
1/10/2015 05:52:08 pm
Wait, is this just an hour to discover that there are many obelisks in NYC and three of them happen to sort of line up in a NNE direction?
1/10/2015 10:50:21 pm
Jason does great work! We all want to get to the real truth of the matter. What concerns this Skeptic is that some Skeptics don't believe in ANY CONSPIRACIES. Anyone who does not believe the government is termed a "Tin Foil Hat" person. Why would you trust a Government that lies to the people?
1/11/2015 01:33:41 am
I missed SW mention any of this in the show.
1/11/2015 03:10:13 am
There were several reference in the post to "conspiracy theorists" and "government conspiracy" with a tongue in check attitude suggesting anyone who believes this is a "tin foil hat person".
1/11/2015 02:43:48 am
Tom, I don't think anyone here would claim that conspiracies never happen. When we speak of "cospiracy theories" dismissively, we mean conspiracy theories that are developed post hoc to prop up otherwise unsupportable views because the person isn't willing to do the rational thing and set them aside.
1/11/2015 03:15:50 am
I'm a Skeptic by nature and member of several Skeptic Societies. But I have met a lot of Skeptics who don't believe in any "Government Conspiracies". Politicians lie to get elected and lie once they are in office. They sell out to the highest bidders in the Special Interest Lobbies for campaign contributions. Why would you believe any of them? Governments lie to the people and cover up crimes of government officials. Yet some Skeptics don't believe in any government conspiracies. They accept what the government says at face value. Why?
1/11/2015 03:23:25 am
This sounds like a pointless political discussion I don't feel like having.
1/11/2015 04:09:44 am
EP, Exactly what the Politicians want you to do. Withdraw from the political arena. "Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you!" Pericles 495-430 BC Greek General and Statesman.
1/11/2015 04:19:03 am
I did not read EP's statement as him withdrawing from politics. Instead I read it as he is not interested in this specific discussion, there is a big difference.
1/11/2015 04:28:51 am
Tom Dietrich since the Nazi Templar Jesus blood people that AU promotes are not in politics, your political comment adds No Value to the discussion.
1/11/2015 09:31:39 am
It's good to know that some people are capable of making crucial distinctions in evaluating what I say. It's even better to know that they got my back :D
1/11/2015 01:10:45 pm
Pericles never said that; it is falsely attributed to him to give it added weight. It's certainly not in Thucydides and I'm not sure where else it may be. Not much else has survived about him.
1/11/2015 06:09:44 am
1/11/2015 08:08:38 am
Harry, Apparently you did not see my earlier post. Here are some real False Flag operations and real Conspiracies involving governments..
1/11/2015 10:00:50 am
1/12/2015 05:49:00 am
Snow White wasn't by the government. Nor are most of those conspiracies.
1/12/2015 07:47:31 am
Marius, You have no idea what you are talking about. Your comments are a cheap shot that I would expect from a 12 year old. So how many of those False Flag Operations and Government Conspiracies have you researched and know something about? Let me guess. Very little if nothing. If you prefer to keep your head in the sand, go ahead, but be careful of what you expose when you do.
1/11/2015 03:26:26 am
Good for the Discovery Channel. Let's hope some of these other channels follow their lead.
1/11/2015 05:27:31 am
John Dunham, I don't believe in the "Nazi Templar Jesus blood people", that is all myth. Jesus did not exist as a real person. He was a myth created by the Catholic Church in the 1st and 2nd Century. The Author of the article brought up the subject of "Conspiracy Theories" and "Government Conspiracies". So it was appropriate to comment on those political issues.
1/11/2015 01:16:47 pm
What? There are better sources and reasons to believe that Jesus was a real person than Alexander the Great. Or was Alexander a conspiracy of Roman emperors?
1/11/2015 10:18:33 pm
I have spent 15 years researching the Christ Myth and have read hundreds of books on the myth of Jesus Christ. One of the best is Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill.
1/11/2015 11:40:04 pm
There is a difference between believing that a person named Jesus lived in first century Palestine and that He performed the miracles described in the Gospels. Pyrrhus was said to have been able to cure the sick by touching them with his sacred foot (which survived his cremation). Should I disregard his very existence because that seems unlikely? Should I assume that Muhammed, the Buddha, and Joseph Smith were all fictitious creations of their respective followers as well? Obviously all religions are based on myth, just as all cultures are based on prior traditions and practices. But you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
1/12/2015 05:41:07 am
Nonsense. Jesus never minted coins in his far flung empire the way Alexander did in his. The claim that Jesus is better documented than Alexander is ridiculous.
1/12/2015 10:45:24 am
Someone has seriously commended 'Caeser's Messiah"?
4/28/2015 05:06:29 am
Not possible, the catholic church didn't exist until the 3rd century AD under the emperor Constantine.
4/28/2015 11:01:57 am
Please check your history! There were 5 Popes in the 1st Century. 10 Popes in the 2nd Century. 14 Popes in the 3rd Century.
1/11/2015 06:13:49 am
My wife (who didn't watch the history channel even before it turned into crap) came into the room while I was watching this episode. After watching for a few minutes, she asked "Why is he running all over New York City looking at phallic symbols?"
1/11/2015 07:18:44 am
What was up with all the dry ice / smoke effects on his map? Is he trying to make his monopoly pieces seem mysterious?
1/11/2015 10:38:12 am
In Wolter's defence, I don't think he's ever said the Aztecs were white, just that they may have migrated from Wisconson (they didn't, of course).
1/22/2015 01:26:54 am
True, but this is how I see it evolving:
1/11/2015 09:16:45 am
"That said, I am disappoint the best part of the show didn't get a mention: coming next week, Wolter does bigfoot!"
1/11/2015 09:18:30 am
Is it me or has this show become a version of Seinfeld, basically about nothing. I really feel this season is incredibly weak and boring. I used to watch to enjoy the quixotic adventure and then enjoy reading Jason C.'s deconstruction, but now instead of an adventure which ends in nothing, it's not even and adventure anymore, it's just a half-hearted talk about nothing, with drama filled treks across a few city blocks in Chicago and NYC. I do not foresee a fourth season.
1/11/2015 09:30:02 am
OMG you guys! Some conspiracies are real! Laughing at stupid fringe conspiracy theories is hurting the feelings of Internet Social Justice Warriors everywhere! :)
1/11/2015 09:41:32 am
Why is it each blog post has its own troll to try to stir up stuff but they never seem to show up at the same time. A few episodes ago it was the Rev., then it was SStC, now it's Tom.
1/11/2015 09:49:08 am
Because its a Conspiracy
1/11/2015 09:53:40 am
1/11/2015 11:05:11 am
Such is the price of Jason's fame :)
1/11/2015 10:37:40 am
I never post "stupid fringe conspiracy theories". Everyone I posted can be proven to be true like:
1/11/2015 10:57:47 am
Your political opinions are very important to this blog's readers. Everyone here finds your insights fascinating.
1/11/2015 11:01:35 am
EP, Thank you for your kind words. But they are not political opinions. They are proven facts.
1/11/2015 11:04:29 am
Actually, I was being sarcastic. I think you're being ridiculous and your posts are both off-topic and a lot more questionable than you seem willing to admit.
1/11/2015 11:19:37 am
The Author of the article brought up the topic of "government conspiracies", so it is not off topic. There is nothing questionable about these real government conspiracies I have listed. They have been proven to be true. If you choose not to believe them, then you are a skeptic in denial.
1/11/2015 11:25:13 am
You're walking the fine line between being an annoying shitposter and a spamming troll. Good job!
1/11/2015 11:30:22 am
Can you repost that list, oh say, five or six more times? I don't think three times is enough; we've grown numb to repetition thanks to Phil Gotsch.
6/13/2015 07:27:13 am
between your virulent anger at religons, your raw hatred of of everything, and your comical willingness to believe any ugly nonsense while calling everything nonsense, you certainly keep busy. probably for the best, we dont need and tom offspring running around the unibomber style shack
1/11/2015 11:31:32 am
You are making derogatory personal comments that add no value to the conversation. I have made none towards you that are personal. How about you prove to me anything I have posted is untrue? Let's here your facts and evidence.
1/11/2015 11:44:49 am
How about you stop acting like a child who just discovered the Internet. No one here is interested in having this conversation with you any further. All the responses to what you're saying are now some combination of amusement and annoyance.
1/11/2015 11:56:26 am
Curiousity enlightened the cat
1/11/2015 11:37:29 pm
Tom..Just wanna let you know that i like/appreciate yr posts very much.Don't mind the "ad hom" trolling.Most people,with half a brain,know the intentions behind such crap.Ain't it funny how the so called critical thinking skeptics go instant braindead when it's abouit gov etc?! Never stop sir :)
1/12/2015 12:15:56 am
Curiosity enlightened the cat, Thank you for your comments! It is nice to know there are some other Critical Thinking Skeptics out there who have an open mind about any potentially real government conspiracies. I'm a member of a National Skeptic Society and a Local Skeptic Society. I have met many Skeptics who will challenge just about anything with the exclusion of government conspiracies. Once you mention a government conspiracy, they go into a knee jerk reaction and start accusing you of wearing a "Tin Foil Hat". They won't even look at the evidence supporting a conspiracy, but will instead start a personal attack against the person, not the evidence. I could name a few, but won't, on the National level who I believe have ties to some of the Intelligence Agencies. It is well documented that the CIA has deep cover assets in the national news media. This is covered in Operation Mockingbird. Thanks.
1/12/2015 12:56:28 am
Again, what dose this fear mongering conspiracy bs have to do with Scott Wolter, America Unearthed, and this episode? Go peddle your fear mongering BS to youtube. or Alex Jones, im sure he would love to talk to you about it.
1/12/2015 02:15:22 am
Jerky, Author of article brought up the issue of 'government conspiracies", so it was fair game to make comments. What part of Tom's posts do you find untrue or not accurate? Suggest you respond with facts and evidence and not get into personal attacks which prove nothing. When someone has no facts or evidence to offer, they hide behind personal attacks as EP has done.
1/12/2015 02:24:18 am
Hey, I resent that! I am at my most open in my personal attacks! :)
1/12/2015 05:23:21 am
This Forum is not about making personal attacks which are Juvenile as EP does. Posters should stick to facts and evidence. I fail to see where EP has posted anything that follows scientific methodology. He simply posts obscene material which one would expect from a 12 year old. I worked for the government for 38 years (now retired) and a lot of the things Tom has posted I know to be true.
1/12/2015 05:30:09 am
Please share with us more of your deep understanding of the nature of scientific methodology, Mr. Government Insider. I'm sure everyone here is eager to bask in the glow of your wisdom.
1/12/2015 05:55:54 am
You can start by reading Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy by Michael Collins Piper to learn Who was Who in the JFK assassination. It was an inside job and MCP is on target as he names names.
1/12/2015 09:20:35 am
How about "No"?
1/12/2015 10:22:06 am
no, Jason did not bring up government conspiracy, or rather that it was a Freemason conspiracy, so tom is, way off subject here.
1/12/2015 10:33:14 am
ET, Son, since you are unwilling to expand your mind with new knowledge and peel back the layers of the onion 4 or 5 levels to get to dark secrets in the Intelligence Agencies, I can't help you, even though I have 38 years of government experience to share. If you want to keep your head in the sand and believe we have a democratic government of the people, by the people and for the people, go ahead. The reality is we have a government of plutocrat special interests, for the special interests and by the special interests. Money buys you Congressmen, Senators, Judges, Governors and Presidents. The people who are Billionaires operate in a shadow government behind the scenes as puppet masters. What you see on the stage of government are puppets. The real golden rule is this. He who has the Gold gets to make the rules. The Plutocrats are above the law and will do anything to keep their power and money, even have politicians assassinated if they don't play ball with the puppet masters. JFK was his own man making his own decisions and would not play ball with the plutocrats. So they took care of that problem on Nov. 22, 1963 in Dallas. LBJ was more than happy to play ball.
1/12/2015 10:41:18 am
As a troll, 7.5/10. Would possibly read again if there was nothing else to do.
1/12/2015 10:56:28 am
hey EP, i guess some ones tin foil hat is on to tight. dont get whats so hard to understand about not being intrested in buying there bs.
1/11/2015 12:14:36 pm
No facts or evidence provided by you. You are unable to prove anything I have said was false. Your only make personal insults. There is no scientific process revealed in your comments. You are allowing your ego to over ride your rational mind. Typical Skeptic response. You attack the person not the issues.
1/11/2015 03:20:59 pm
Hey Tom, I drew a picture of you:
1/11/2015 10:21:47 am
I do appreciate Scott having noted that Gen. Worth (of Fort Worth-fame) was a New Yorker. I honestly had no idea.
1/11/2015 10:28:44 am
Wolter put a picture of that foggy map setup as a whole on his blog...the rig actually looked cool, but was kind of ridic considering what it showed content wise.
1/11/2015 12:13:09 pm
Well, the blog is kind of the Chronicles of Ridic...
1/11/2015 12:12:34 pm
The Grand Lodge of Free & Accepted Masons of the State of New York is located on 23rd St and 6th Av in Manhattan. They have extensive historical materials, they give tours and they are happy to provide information, that isn't protected by their oath, to the public as outreach to help demystify the organization and help increase membership.Why someone investigating a Masonic/Egyptian/New York connection would consult with some random Mason (who I'm sure is a nice guy) in Brooklyn instead of using such a resource is puzzling. Unless Wolter suspects a conspiracy of Masonic historians and academics to suppress publicly available Masonic knowledge from the public.
1/11/2015 01:36:02 pm
...of course, that raises the question of what makes said random nice Mason guy any more trustworthy.
not Scott Wolter
1/11/2015 03:03:37 pm
Next on America Unearthed, Scott goes interplanetary only to learn his head is up Uranus.
1/12/2015 06:32:25 am
Wow Mr. Morgan. Michael Collins Piper? a holocaust denying anti semite ? that's who you get your info from. So yeah, I guess you're right, Ben-Gurion and Mossad were behind JFK' assassination with Meyer Lansky organizing it and LBJ acting as the inside man. It's about a realistic scenario as MLK's assassination being arranged by the anti-defamation league and the Mossad and FBI carrying it out. I guess that works for you since that leaves your buddy James Earl Ray off the hook.
1/12/2015 08:20:27 am
Scot, You have attacked the author of the book without evaluating the content. I'm sure you have not read the 760 pages as I have two times. When you get off your "shoot the messenger kick" and want to discuss the details of his book and its conclusions, I will listen to your criticism. And for the record, I do not deny the holocaust, I'm not an anti-semite, I'm not a brown shirted Nazi, I'm not a White Nationalist, I'm not a member of Stormfront, etc. I'm a Jewish Afro American who spent 38 years working for the government.
1/12/2015 10:42:26 am
"I'm a Jewish Afro American"
1/12/2015 02:09:45 pm
When did telling the truth about someone constitute an attack? Piper is an anti semite and a holocaust denier . Further he spends his time blaming the jews for everything from starting WWII to 9/11. He is also a good buddy of David Duke ( you know, the ex head of the KKK who hates everyone but inbreds like him) and is a devotee of Willis Carto , you might want to start doing a little bit of research on Carto since that is who has honed Piper's agenda. So no bill,no attack, just truth. And yes I did plow my way through his BS, and if you can't see it for the unmitigated dreck that it is I really couldn't care less , nor could I care less about your 38 years of supposed govt service. Even if true big deal. My uncle did 47 years, my father did 35 , counting my time in the reserves I did 23, again big deal. Just what did you do in the govt? did you have security clearance and if so what was it? And what the hell does what you I or anyone else do or did have to do with a crap book?
1/12/2015 02:21:06 pm
I was born and raised in Washington DC and still live here. I can say without question that over half the people I have known in my life have work for the Govt for over 30 years. There is nothing special about working for the Govt. I have 8 years as an employee of the State Dept. working in international media relations with security clearance myself. If there is one thing I have learned about living in this city surrounded by the Govt. and its employees and contractors is that nobody can keep their mouth shut. Go to any bar on Capitol HIll, Adams Morgan, U Street, Shaw, or any other neighborhood or suburb of the city and start complaining about work and you can find out about almost anything.
1/12/2015 02:33:52 pm
Yeah I know Matt, I was in the military and even amongst officers, unless it was SF, you can find out a lot. Human nature. Actually besides being a troll I'm just wondering why he thinks working for the govt for 38 years makes a difference about anything, especially in reference to a joke of a book with nothing but conjecture in it.
1/12/2015 03:42:33 pm
"If there is one thing I have learned about living in this city surrounded by the Govt. and its employees and contractors is that nobody can keep their mouth shut."
1/12/2015 06:45:39 am
Only Me, this post is out of sequence. For some reason the reply buttons are not working on my tablet. Hopefully you will see this. First, I was not referring to Jason's misuse of "Grand Cental Station", I was referring to AU's misuse, which they (SW & his writers) did on every occasion. Second, "Grand Central Station" is NOT a commonly accepted use. Look at every single subway sign in the city. Look at every single printed piece of material on NYC. Look at the definitive source on NYC tourism, Blue Guide New York. I can't believe you used wiki as a source. I'm a New Yorker and a licensed NYC tour guide. How much time do you spend in NYC?
1/12/2015 06:54:46 am
It is a legitimate difference. Penn Station is a station and Grand Central Terminal is a Terminal. A terminal is the "terminus" of a rail like, and Vanderbilt's railroad ended at Grand Central - it only goes to the north of GCT. The Pennsylvania Railroad goes Through Penn Station
1/12/2015 07:17:47 am
Okay, jp, here's the skinny. Your comment wasn't exactly clear as to who you were referring to, so, if you meant to chastise Wolter and his writers, I can accept that.
1/12/2015 06:54:19 am
I like how random people here pretend to be the host of AU and come here to rant and then SW actually blogs about them offending him somewhere else, as though he didn't send his trolls here. Like he wouldn't. It must be a conspiracy. Ha.
1/12/2015 09:22:12 am
Your comment consists of Juvenile personal attacks and adds No Value to the discussion ;)
1/12/2015 12:16:40 pm
This is my 1st post to Jason's blog. Although I cannot stand shows like AU and AA, I began following this blog because to remain updated on various fringe theories. I do this to be able to provide counter arguments when discussing these subjects.
1/12/2015 01:17:30 pm
Thank you Kelly for saying what needed to be said.
1/12/2015 01:57:47 pm
Yup, that list of conspiracies from earlier is a well organized type of trolling. Most of the trolls try to argue with other posters and play off them. It takes one seriously sad troll to bring their own list and frame an argument, and off topic at that. I'm pretty sure SW mentioned scaffolding in that episode too but you don't hear me spouting off about how I think OSHA is in cahoots with some companies. (I don't, by the way). If I wanted to discuss that I would go to an OSHA blog somewhere, unless I wanted to troll then I would seek out an off topic site and loosely tie it in then bust into the comments and fire off at everyone.
1/12/2015 02:06:07 pm
Unless they are his (not so) royal StClair's relatives, they argued a lot.
1/12/2015 02:20:05 pm
Well, To be fair, I just hate conspiracy nuts. Even if they are just trolls. But I do wish people would try to keep things on topic.
1/12/2015 03:03:18 pm
This thread and the one preceding it are terrible for diametrically opposite reasons.
1/12/2015 05:25:21 pm
While I have enjoyed Jason's deconstruction of previous episodes, reading the dismissive review of the ones does as much disservice to the subject as SW's shenanigans.
1/12/2015 05:34:40 pm
cool story bro
1/12/2015 10:52:57 pm
After reading through this entire blog, it appears a number of people have no real understanding of how the dark side of deep politics really works and how the Intelligence Agencies execute covert black operations. All of the major IA around the world have their assassination teams at play. To deny that political assassinations are carried out by the IA is to deny the reality of how the real world works. The people are always given a Cover Story by the controlled national news media and the real truth of who was behind a Black Ops. is always covered up. And a lot of people can keep a secret if they are told if they talk, they will be killed or their family members may be killed. It appears that a number of people on this blog have no clue how Black Ops really works.
1/13/2015 12:09:29 am
A statement like that shows that you have no real understanding of how the Intelligence world works and an even less understanding of how the media is used to forward and protect said intelligence.
1/13/2015 03:18:05 am
Matt Mc, Are you saying the CIA, Mossad, MI6, etc. do not engage in political assassinations?? That they do not create a Cover Story to feed to the national news media to broadcast?
1/13/2015 03:30:32 am
I am saying you are full of it. Believe whatever hype you want but that does not make it true.
1/13/2015 05:26:57 am
So you are not going to answer the questions. So your are saying there are no political assassinations by Intelligence Agencies and there are no Cover Up stories given to the news media. That is a strange world you are describing. Since you say your job was to distribute government propaganda, how can anyone believe what you say? You have a credibility gap by your own admission.
1/13/2015 05:33:52 am
Let’s see, by definition Propaganda is information of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
1/13/2015 05:34:47 am
When it comes to credibility, I'll Matt Mc over you any day, Frank.
1/13/2015 05:42:21 am
That should say, " I'll choose Matt Mc over you any day, Frank."
1/13/2015 05:50:51 am
Frank, again your question is irrelevant since it shows you have no understanding what you are talking about.
1/13/2015 06:01:12 am
Also Frank about propaganda, we are subjected to it everyday, constantly, every single print, radio, or TV ad is nothing but propaganda. A show like AU is a great example of blatant propaganda.
1/13/2015 06:05:26 am
I'LL MATT MC YOU ALL!!!
1/13/2015 07:27:36 am
Matt Mc, I asked two simple questions that could be answered in a simply way. They did not require the obtuse rambling of an answer you have given. I'm not learning anything new from you. You resort to negative character references which I did not do to you. I would expect your behavior from a teenager, but not from a mature adult with all of your government experience. I wish you the best. Have a nice retirement. I know I'm enjoying mine.
1/13/2015 07:50:38 am
All I am saying is your questions are silly and I will not be baiting into answering them.
1/13/2015 01:00:47 am
First an interesting chain of opinions. Glad Jason allows these to sometimes go into larger subjects than the original post.
1/13/2015 02:50:48 am
It has to be a conspiracy Titus! Everybody knows "JKF" represents the largest multi-national conglomerates, not to mention its reference to "Morningstar" --- clearly a nod out in the open to Goddess worship being that the Morningstar is Venus.
1/13/2015 06:38:59 am
I've also heard rumors that JFK was really the Canadian Devil, Beelzeboot.
1/13/2015 07:13:50 am
"Otto Augustus Wall, who famously described the Golden Fleece as a blonde Aryan woman’s public hair, described the Central Park obelisk as one of the “phallic pillars” in his classic bit of pseudo-history Sex and Sex Worship (1919)"
1/16/2015 05:52:53 am
Has Scott Wolter read Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum?
1/18/2015 02:56:46 am
Despite your denial, the implication is that accepting any premise other than Jason's - namely that all the grand Freemasonic architecture is nothing but happenstance - makes one a lunatic. While SW's conclusion may be questioned, Jason's conclusion is that these painstaking attempts at projecting Freemason do not exist at all.
1/18/2015 04:29:15 am
Many of the high ranking American and French Masons were instrumental in the Revolutions. George Washington was the highest ranking Mason in the Americas. One must remember that the Masons at the top of the Masonic pyramid are a secret society which holds secret meetings. Because of all the secrecy, that in itself creates a lot of conspiracy theories. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe governments put out propaganda, disinformation, lies and engage in cover ups. If someone you know tells you propaganda, disinformation, lies and engages in cover ups, then you don't trust them. And the majority of Americans don't trust the government. Check the polls.
1/19/2015 12:57:43 am
Roger, Saying that governments put out propaganda, disinformation, lies and engage in cover ups is just plain stupid. Skeptics don't believe that. There is no evidence for that. You are not a real Skeptic. Get off this Forum.
1/20/2015 10:54:04 am
ET is right. Roger should be banned by Jason for his stupid post. Skeptics trust the government. Our government does not lie and engage in cover ups. Perhaps people should be required to say the Pledge of Allegiance before making a post to the Forum.
1/20/2015 05:05:38 pm
1/18/2015 11:39:46 pm
#1 The Emmet obelisk at St. Paul’s (1831-33?)
1/19/2015 12:03:16 am
What I try to point out here is a timeline and some facts about these objects. I don't have all day to do it, but I believe that there was never any intentional significance to the idea that Scott Wolter tries to describe. I do think it's a coincidental alignment that may make one who likes to draw conclusions without all of the facts and present those ideas in a television show which he benefits from monetarily. At the end, the show makes me cringe as it always does with it's fake setup. It feels like the so called experts or people he meets with are instructed as to what to think to make the story of the show appear as they are finding these things out for the first time when you can research this shit going back years and years. Scott always claims that "HE THINKS" or HE HAS DISCOVERED" or "HIS WIFE HAS COME TO THE CONCLUSION". I find this all to be very fake and purposefully crafted to make idiots think this shit is really just being discovered. And the discoveries are usually half ass at best. I'm not here to debate anything, just give my opinion. I do watch every single show for the same reason Jason does, I constantly tell those watching with me. Ooh did you see that, what BS, like he doesn't know the guy he is about to meet up with's name. Like this shit wasn't all planned out by his production company, they really put on a show huh. You gotta take this type of TV as entertainment only. Do some real research if you want find out the real meanings. Make your own conclusions just as he does and hey, it doesn't have to be fact, just make some shit up!
1/24/2015 02:55:56 am
Is some scatological arguments may be stretching credibility, equally frustrating is the tendency for some so called rational skeptics to obscure inconvenient details. The Statue of Liberty was designed to be place at a significant spot at the Suez Canal by Freemasons. The after mentioned Robert Burns was in fact a high ranking Scott is Freemason. In both cases Jason and the commenter abiove both neglected to tell readers that this was the fact.
1/24/2015 10:38:03 am
@ Sknide Commander
1/19/2015 12:42:47 pm
Status of Liberty: "It's Complicated" :P
1/21/2015 04:55:50 pm
I'm no conspiracy theorist. I think this stuff is just plain nuts. People like this stretch kernels of truth into something bizarre,fantastic,and unbelievable. You should be careful about this stuff. The majority of conspiracy theories turn out to be just hearsay and myth more than anything.
1/21/2015 10:06:44 pm
Tony, You are right. Skeptics trust the government. Our government does not put out propaganda, disinformation or lies and does not engage in cover ups. I have always believed Bush, Clinton and Obama. These are honorable men who we can trust to tell us the truth. If they lied to us, they would have been impeached. We have the best Congress on earth who puts the people first. Government officials do not pander to the Special Interest Groups and Money does not buy influence. We have a great Democracy and people who criticize the government should be tried for treason.
1/22/2015 05:51:41 am
1/22/2015 07:41:54 am
Mark, you sound mad. Why are you mad? Is it because you got put in your place by this blog's regulars? Is your ego wounded?
1/23/2015 06:53:59 pm
Let me clear up what I'm saying. I go by the evidence. The only crime the government committed was on 9/11 was they didn't connect the dots to stop what happened that day. There was no provable conspiracy. Just that the FBI and the CIA messed up big time and lives were lost. It's like the Kennedy Assassination. There's no factual evidence to prove a conspiracy. It was just a lone,angry,nutjob who failed at everything else in his life,unfortunately succeeded at killing the President of the United States.
1/24/2015 03:19:54 pm
Scott (actually his wife) "discovered" Cleopatra's Needle in Central Park??? I guess they never looked at a travel guide to NYC. The obelisk is mentioned in many tour guides and appears on maps of the park. It has been seen by tens of thousands of "geologically untrained" tourists.
4/28/2015 04:54:46 am
I’ve read this entire blog, and the one thing I take away from all this incessant back and forth is, you’re all full of it.
5/6/2015 02:32:30 pm
Tell that to the ass holes who tress passed on my land, damaged my crops, and tore out my fences in North West Oklahoma looking for proof of Celts in Oklahoma (that where never here), Free Mason documents (that never where real) that prove some crazy Templar claim. You say it's just a show, Then you are full of your self. There are to many idiots of buy this show as real and go off looking for proof and don't care whose property they damage. So if tearing down some ones bullshit claims keeps idiots from tress passing on my farm land, thin I am all for it. Maybe you should take a look at the damage these numb nuts are inflecting with there idiotic claims before you start berating others for trying to run some much needed damage control.
7/12/2016 10:03:48 am
Back on August 3, 2012 I Julio M. Barriere did a CLOSE ENCOUNTER-5 (CE-5) with Nick Curto's disclosure group. We did it at night and the skies were cloudy at first for an hour. I was playing on my boom boxes sync from my apple products Dr. Steven Greer ET contact tools that has his meditations and UFO tones. The skies became clear after an hour and this Francisco jumps up off that Central Park bench in front of this cleopatra needle obelisk. He says theirs one while pointing to the sky looking west and a UFO was flying northerly. Another member to this disclosure group also screams out theirs another. I was truthly stun to see this happen. Another member said theirs another UFO flying across the sky. We all look and notice that three UFOs form a triangle in the sky just northeast over this cleopatra needle obelisk. To my thinking an obelisk to me was a antenna. That triangle in the sky that those three UFOs form represented a pyramid and a pyramid to me was also a antenna. So I though that those starships were relating to me of a connection of communicating of a site where I was. Three weekends back I was in Brandtford, Ontario Canada. On June 24, 2016 the experiencers had the opportunity to tell their stories at this alien cosmic expo 2016 ufo conference. I told my story to this audience and said to go outside tonight and see hovering UFOs that follow me around the world. That Friday night June 24, 2016 after I pointed out UFOs to this UFO conference crowd. I walk among this crowd and ask everyone if their saw hovering UFOs. They all stare at me with a serious look in their eyes and said yes we saw hovering UFOs. At that alien cosmic expo 2016 ufo conference I came across a Jason Quitt. He had pharaoh cylinders with a pharaoh postures book to sell. I bought them and also the book he wrote Forbidden Knowledge which is phenomenon to read. Anyway I purchase the pharaoh cylinders with the pharaoh postures book that it's call Egyptian Postures of Power. I did a CLOSE ENCOUNTER-5 at the cleopatra needle obelisk last Saturday, July 2nd, 2016. I did the pharaohs postures while holding the pharaohs cylinders in my hands. I was playing integratron music. After I finish doing these pharaoh postures I went and sat down on the Central Park bench facing west with the obelisk directly in front of me. I look up that it was about fourty five minutes that evening before complete darkness. I saw this star ship just southwest of this obelisk that it's there all year round. Nick Curto with his disclosure group can verify of seeing this star ship there all year round because we do CLOSE ENCOUNTER-5 (CE-5) all year round and see this starship all year round in that same stationary position. It's part of the star fleet that follow me around the world. Nick Curto web site DNNY.info just press the square box on the upper left hand corner and his page will come up. Anyway while I was looking up at that star ship. A giant bird caught my eye that was flying with its outstretched long wings without it flapping its wings. It was going from north to south over this cleopatra needle obelisk than it made a ninety degree turn towards the west where that starship was. I couldn't see the rest of the flight of that bird because the sky was too cloudy just west of that starship. Nick Curto will have his next meeting this coming Sunday, July 17th on my birthday. I might go to the obelisk and do a pharaoh posture there. I notify Jason Quitt of this experience and he said that I had a very rare sighting of the hawk of Horus. Stay tune. Julio
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