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Review of America Unearthed S04E08 "Drake’s Lost Treasure"

7/11/2019

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​America Unearthed recovered some in the ratings on Tuesday after a disastrous holiday week outing that hit a low for the new run of the series. On Tuesday, its new episode reached 523,000 viewers. I can’t help but wonder if airing episodes a week early online isn’t cutting into the live TV audience. It’s hard to believe that America Unearthed has burned through almost the entire season—eight out of ten episodes—with very little of interest to show for it. At least once a season, Scott Wolter goes in search of a lost treasure, part of America Unearthed’s efforts to keep up with what was in the early 2010s a popular wave of treasure-hunting TV series on cable. This episode sends Wolter in search of Sir Francis Drake’s lost treasure. He doesn’t find it.
​Segment 1
The cold open features Scott Wolter narrating over a historical reenactment telling us that a treasure meant to bankroll a British colony on the west coast of America disappeared but that new evidence might help us find it. After the opening credits, we cut to Wolter’s lab, where Wolter reviews footage of treasure hunter Robert Stupak’s efforts to find a treasure trove that Sir Francis Drake allegedly buried on the west coast. At Point Reyes, Calif., Wolter meets with Stupak to discuss Drake’s failed efforts to found a colony on the west coast of America. Point Reyes is the site that the National Park Service designated as the most likely site of Drake’s landing. Stupak disagrees because he believes that a map drawn from Drake’s records doesn’t depict Point Reyes as the site of his colony but rather San Francisco Bay, near San Quentin prison. The map looks a lot like Point Reyes and not much like San Quentin’s surroundings, but I don’t much care either way. Stupak and Wolter travel to San Quentin to view a rock that Stupak believes was a mooring stone for Drake’s ship. Wolter disagrees for geological reasons, primarily that the hole lacks significant weathering.
 
Segment 2
In the second segment, Wolter and Stupak visit Stupak’s home, where Stupak describes his year-long efforts to dig up Drake’s treasure. He claims to have found underground chambers in 2003 he likens to Raiders of the Lost Ark, which he said were full of “collapsing rooms,” and even Wolter recognizes that Stupak actually dug into an unstable aquifer. He also tells Stupak that the “gemstones” he found were no such thing. The show then discusses Drake’s Brass Plate, a forgery from 1936, a practical joke by local historians meant to represent a British land claim to California predating that of Spain. Wolter purports to want to test the forgery to try to resurrect its claim to authenticity. Wolter is very excited about the idea that the British land claim predates that of Spain, but since the American government succeeded to both, it really makes no difference whether Drake tried and failed to claim land in California. Wolter uses a microscope to examine the plate’s patina, and he badly reads a line that “I can’t believe what I’m seeing” before we cut to commercial.
 
Segment 3
Despite the questions raised over the wording and content of the brass plate, as well as the 1970s chemical tests on the plate, Wolter declares it likely authentic. The Bancroft Library, where the plate is held, refused Wolter’s request to perform more tests on the plate, because… well, Wolter and his TV show are a clown show. Instead, Wolter suggests that there is a conspiracy and that the powers that be don’t want anyone to know that the British are the “true” owners of California. He’s very big on land claims. The segment then takes Wolter to England to learn more about Drake. He visits a replica of Drake’s Golden Hind, continuing Wolter’s interest in replica ships. He discusses the efforts of the early European explorers to find the Northwest Passage, and Wolter concludes that Drake might have buried his treasure elsewhere along his route, perhaps as far north as Oregon.
 
Segment 4
At Whale Cove, Oregon, Wolter discusses some ambiguous evidence for Drake in Oregon: Drake’s writings claiming to have reached 48 degrees latitude and the question of whether the map from segment one looks more like Whale Cove than Port Reyes. But since the map was drawn from written accounts, not from life, it’s not entirely convincing evidence. In the nearby mountains, Wolter visits Tom Mock of the Francis Drake Association who claim to have an artifact proving Drake’s visit. We cut to commercial before finding out what it is.
 
Segment 5
The artifact is a roughly square rock with a line carved around it. The argument is that the carved line is 36 inches long and a true grew over it, so it must be a surveyor mark left by Drake. Wolter thinks it’s a treasure marker. There is no way to date the rock, and there is no evidence that Drake carved it. The men then visit a pile of rocks that Mock and his friend think were a “cairn” that Drake built for some strange reason. “Really, the only plausible explanation would be Drake,” Wolter said, dismissing other possibilities, from Native American constructions to colonial-era debris. Sure it is.
 
Segment 6
Wolter views an old silver shilling that a treasure hunter found nearby while metal detecting. Some other British coins were found in the same area, all dating back to the early 1500s. Any number of explanations are possible, but Wolter does not consider them. Instead, he gives up his investigation and simply declares that “maybe, just maybe” Drake’s treasure still exists. As another episode ends, nothing was proved but Wolter takes time to remind us that academics have prevented him from proving his case by denying his requests to test the brass plate.
59 Comments
shotgun6
7/11/2019 02:25:15 pm

What is it with Wolter and 'land claims"?? "I wrote my name on a rock, see? therefore I own the entire state of California, even though the Pope had already formally granted that entire landmass to Spain; but whatever, I am going to sue in the world court for my just reward" Like, is that how he imagines it working????

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Kent
7/11/2019 03:08:01 pm

Concur. The way you claim land is by occupying it. By Wolter's logic most of North America belongs to Sweden, the Cistercians, or the Freemasons or the Knights Templar because the Kensington Rune Stone. Scott: That's NOT how it works.

If the treasure was "meant to bankroll a British colony" burying it makes less than zero sense.

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Jim
7/11/2019 04:26:16 pm

Not sure if you have seen the show, but Wolter claims a "mooring" hole in a sandstone boulder could not be aged enough (to be from Drake's era) because the soft patches of calcite on the exterior of the boulder haven't weathered away.
Lol,, makes no sense, and flies in the face of his KRS theory !

"Calcite cement is the most common type of cement found in sandstone. The calcite cement typically forms in patches and does not fill all the gaps within the stone. This makes calcite cement sandstone very porous. Calcite is also soluble in water, which can erode away the cement making the stone even more porous."

https://sciencing.com/three-common-cementing-agents-sandstones-8343964.html

Oops,,, the great geologist screws up yet again.

Kent
7/11/2019 05:08:47 pm

Nope, haven't watched it but still might. For me Wolter discredited himself as a "geologist" when he insisted that the caliche in the Tucson Artifacts was proof of authenticity.

Joe Scales
7/11/2019 08:24:03 pm

I'm certain Wolter will make the distinction between "soft calcite" and the hard calcite of the Kensington Rune Stone. Him being a "hard scientist" and all...

TONY S.
7/12/2019 07:20:14 pm

Wolter's been obsessed with land claims since day one. It even predates his Templar/Holy bloodline fantasies. Well,they're not HIS, he's never had an original thought in his life.

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Mark
7/11/2019 02:41:09 pm

Am the only person who assumed that the name “Drake” in the title referred to the famous hip hop artist from Toronto, Canada?

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Riley V
7/12/2019 03:28:31 am

The Drake you mention is Jewish, so if he claimed California it fits right in the “Lost Tribe of Israel” explanation.
Did Wolter find or hear stories about gold chains from the area? Maybe Drake’s treasure is a cache of Gold Records.

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Zelda
7/14/2019 10:05:25 am

This gave me a much needed belly laugh - thanks for the humor!

Machala
7/12/2019 10:16:12 am

"This episode sends Wolter in search of Sir Francis Drake’s lost treasure. He doesn’t find it."
That is truly funny! No need to say anything else. That summed it up.

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Jim
7/12/2019 11:24:53 am

What I find amazing is that the real story and intrigue concerning Drakes voyage up the coast of N. America to search for the Northwest Passage is really quite interesting and could have made an awesome television episode.
Unfortunately Scott "Believes Anything" Wolter decided to go with the mostly nonsensical and made up speculative fakery from various wingnuts who e-mailed him and even included the undeniably proven fake plaque.
What a shame, I hope someone actually makes a real documentary on this story.

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Machala
7/12/2019 04:43:06 pm

You are absolutely right.
Drake's life and voyages are absolutely fascinating and have never been honestly explored by the so-called History Channel. They would make far more entertaining and inlightening television than Wolter's World of Worthless Wonders.

Accumulated Wisdom
7/12/2019 07:06:52 pm

I agree with both of you. Someone had already done a similar show on the hitlery channel. Complete with the fake plaque. This is getting to be like Ancient Groundhog Daliens. Completely indefensible.

Jim,

Kent brought up the caliche on the Tucson lead artifacts. I had first read about this as a child. A little over a hundred years ago another Geologist claimed the same results as SW. This was also the same time I heard the kiln argument. I have also been told that the temperatures needed in a kiln to make the caliche, would melt the lead artifacts and the inscriptions there on. Can you help me sift through the BS? Both sides seem to have merit.

Jim
7/12/2019 07:50:09 pm

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tucson_artifacts

"The issue of the caliche is where the plausibility of the Tucson artifacts can be tested with a practical, repeatable experiment. Geologist James Quinlan examined the site of the finds. He, along with an archaeologist and a paleontologist, found the geology to be Pleistocene — that means a minimum of 10,000 years old, and up to 2 million years old. Roman artifacts self-dating from 800-900 CE clearly could not have been naturally present in this much older sedimentary deposit. So how had they come to be sealed in caliche?

The site of the Tucson finds was a disused lime kiln. Using some purchased quick-lime similar to that produced at the kiln, and some water mixed with soil and stones, Quinlan easily demonstrated that a lead object could be deposited and set into manufactured caliche within two days."

Kent
7/12/2019 08:43:31 pm

"A little over a hundred years ago another Geologist claimed the same results as SW. ... Both sides seem to have merit."

NO, not over a hundred years ago, and NO, both sides do not have merit. The Tucson Artifacts are as fake as Elaine Benes's orgasms.

Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake!

Kent
7/14/2019 08:10:41 am

" I have also been told that the temperatures needed in a kiln to make the caliche, would melt the lead artifacts and the inscriptions there on. Can you help me sift through the BS? Both sides seem to have merit."

Oh, Anthony Warren you stupid fucking imbecile. There''s no heat involved in making a caliche. Jesus effing Christ you are stupid.

The Truth
7/17/2019 06:51:21 pm

Wow, just a shit ton of haters and armchair quarterbacks making comments here. I'm out

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Donna
7/12/2019 12:09:55 pm

No racism this time? A miracle.

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Kent
7/12/2019 03:12:35 pm

Only someone from the alt right would post something that hateful.

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Anthony Warren lies again
7/12/2019 06:59:39 pm

Anthony Warren truly is an imbecile. His latest post on Wolter's blaugh:

"I have encountered a bear twice. The first one was in my home state while learning to track animals in the snow. A state where bears are not supposed to exist."
___________

"The only U.S. state where there are no bears is Hawaii and there is very little snow in Hawaii, so your story collapses.

Tony Bardsley"

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Accumulated wisdom
7/12/2019 08:23:22 pm

Who the hell is Anthony Warren and why do you think that anyone here gives a flying f*ck about him?

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Accumulated Wisdom
7/12/2019 10:53:50 pm

Anthony Warren doesn't lie...soooo... You must be higher than a mosquito on Willie Nelson's forehead.

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TONY S.
7/12/2019 07:16:51 pm

The old Wolter methodology:" if someone denies me permission to examine something for myself, by Jove, it's a conspiracy!"

You're right, Jason. He really doesn't seem to care at all. At least he put energy into the pretense that he did previously.

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Lyn
7/14/2019 03:05:21 pm

Jason, I hope all went well with the move and that you are now settled in. I can only imagine having to move a toddler and a cat. Last time I moved in 1989 it was with three sheep, a cat, and 4000+ books, and heaven knows, that was enough hassle to keep me occupied for weeks.

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Jim
7/14/2019 04:50:52 pm

I see our friend Gunn has a brand new blogsite.
I made 3 polite comments on his
"DID OLOF OHMAN MAKE IRON "FROM SCRATCH?" (Not Likely.) "
blog post. On my third comment which provided damming evidence against his argument he "Scott Woltered" me and would not publish my well reasoned and polite comment. That didn't take long !
Instead he presented his own spin on my comment starting with
"Jim further stated:" and then ",,,,," it wouldn't make good sense to debate you further about this until I have a more reliable analysis done". He completly ignored 95% of my comment.
I wonder how many more years we will have to wait for his new "reliable analysis"

Lol,,, nothing ever changes with these guys, if they don't like your facts, they refuse to acknowledge or allow them on their comment section.

https://americanrunestone.blogspot.com/

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Kent
7/14/2019 09:39:53 pm

You really need to stop cyberbullying him.

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Jim
7/14/2019 10:51:56 pm

I can see why he didn't post my comment, I completely annihilated his weak arguments and left him no out whatsoever.
Although I was disappointed because I spent some time and research on a fairly long rebuttal to close off all of his avenues of escape.

Kent
7/14/2019 09:53:26 pm

OMG. I just started looking at this fellow's blaugh, and he is full-speed batshit crazy. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

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Jim
7/15/2019 01:12:36 pm

Just for clarity, Gunn is claiming a chunk of metal he found on Runestone Hill was left by 14th century Norse explorers.
He had the metal tested and it showed 9.37% aluminum.
Aluminum as a metal was nonexistent until 1824 when someone created it using a chemical process.
The scanning electron microscope EDS analysis might only show the element aluminum and not differentiate between aluminum in the metal phase and aluminum in it's other phases. (a sapphire is actually composed mainly of aluminum)
It is almost impossible for the 9.37% aluminum to be an aluminum oxide or any other phase because these would have been removed almost completely in the smelting process to produce the iron in the first place.

Not that we didn't already know this, but there is zero chance that Gunn's metal is medieval.

Doc Rock
7/15/2019 07:06:46 pm

Jim,

These folks don't understand that even if it was authentic an out of context artifact isn't of any value. At least in many circumstances. It wouldn't take much effort to "find" a roman coin in that same area. But all that would mean is that it is fairly easy to get your hands on debased 5th century roman currency.

Jim
7/15/2019 08:32:49 pm

Doc:
What gets me is that these boneheads seem to think that the act of just having a test done without having anyone competent do an analysis of the results is somehow proof of their nonsensical claims.

Gunn claims his second test shows no aluminum and uses this as evidence.
Yesterday you couldn't even read the results of this test due to a poor quality photo, he replaced it today and it is readable.
This test results show :
23.20% Oxygen
75.26% Iron
It also shows the 75.26% Iron to be 96.83% oxide
I can't claim to be competent at reading EDS test results but I am pretty sure that is just iron oxide.
He chipped off a piece of iron rust and had it tested, lol, of course there is no aluminum in iron rust,,,jeez.

Doc Rock
7/16/2019 12:21:04 am

That's why it is always fun to read a critical analysis of some of these lab tests by someone well qualified to critique the procedure and the interpretation of results. I found one or two old reddit posts that took a good look at Wolters analysis in some old episodes of AU.

Jim
7/16/2019 12:54:50 pm

Doc:

"It wouldn't take much effort to "find" a roman coin in that same area. But all that would mean is that it is fairly easy to get your hands on debased 5th century roman currency."

Now you are entering Patrick Sheckleton territory, lol.
His latest crap involves two unnamed metal detectorists who supposedly found a Norse ring while in 5 feet of water at low tide in the waters off off Massachusetts.
Patrick and his cohorts are running a battery of tests and whatnot to prove it is authentic.
Of course it is most likely authentic, most likely bought in Europe or on E Bay.
None of these boneheads have ever done a simple look at the find story !

The claim is on June 1 2019 at 10 am they found this ring in in low tide about 40 to 50 feet offshore at a depth of 41/2 to 5 feet of water.

The pinheads don't seem to realize that tides are tracked and documented.
The time they claim was almost at HIGH tide not low tide.

https://www.tides.net/massachusetts/2053/?year=2019&month=06

Patrick and friends have been working on this for a month and still haven't clued in, it's hilarious.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Phippsburg-History-Center-114338978642314/posts/?ref=page_internal

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Doc Rock
7/16/2019 03:36:00 pm

Funny how it is always unnamed people or rank amateurs finding this stuff under dubious conditions. With all those folks from Europe, the Middle East, and Africa traipsing all over North America for thousands of years one would think that contract archaeologists would be turning up all sorts of interesting stuff in situ in early woodland middens and Mississippian burial mounds. But with the smithsonian working 24-7 to suppress this stuff I guess it is too much to hope for

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Patrick
7/17/2019 08:18:51 am

1. Times for high and low tide vary according to geographic location. Southern MA is a large area in terms of this variation.
2. High and low tide are very specific points in time, on any given day, at any particular locale.
3. Ebb and flood tide are descriptive of the periods between high and low tide.

Nice try, Jim. Without knowing the specific locale all you are doing is guessing. And you guessed wrong.

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Joe Scales
7/17/2019 10:25:13 am

Here's the tide chart for all of Massachusetts for June, 2019. Good luck finding low tide at 10am in "Southeastern Massachusetts":

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Phippsburg-History-Center-114338978642314/posts/?ref=page_internal

And Patrick... you imbecile... perhaps you can find a less higher tide somewhere to justify your moronic musings, but again. It's that whole forest and trees thing. High tide or low tide is irrelevant as you simply can't say you found some random item in some random place and make anything more of it than an anomaly. But again... since you're so prone to misstating facts and altering evidence... I don't believe anything you say. You simply have no credibility. Being an imbecile, that is.

So nice you stopped by. Come again.

Jim
7/17/2019 11:09:35 am

Patrick:
This link shows the 87 different locations where tide charts are available throughout the bredth of Massachusetts. They all are at odds with your low tide time.

https://www.tides.net/massachusetts/

Case closed !

Patrick
7/17/2019 10:41:17 am

Nice guesswork, Joe. You're wrong as well. If we wanted specific details to be in the public domain we would have written of them in a very specific manner, not the general phrasing that was used.

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Jim
7/17/2019 11:22:02 am

Perhaps Patrick, you don't understand how tides work ?
They are caused by lunar gravity.
Do you think that when Martha's Vinyard has a full moon it is 12 hours later when it is over Nantucket ? Try for once to use a little common sense.

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Patrick
7/17/2019 01:05:01 pm

From original posted material: "They began their metal detecting about two hours prior to low tide." Same paragraph. So much for your invented conspiracy, Jim. Debunking is always easier when you just invent shit from nothing, which you typically do. Despite Joe holding your hand - as he typically does - even he realizes that a singular find with no context doesn't amount to much of anything. No disagreement there. So what has been claimed, or asserted, about the ring? Nothing but replicable facts. Jim, during the course of his invented story, figured out HOW the ring came to be in that location - something that no one else has concluded at this point. Who's the FRINGE? The paranoid debunkers that is who.

Jim
7/17/2019 01:53:26 pm

Patrick:

What is all this word soup?

I see by your change of tact that you cannot find a tide chart that backs up this bogus find claim.

"They began their metal detecting about two hours prior to low tide."

So what ? they could have started their search a month before for all I care, what frigging difference does it make ?
They claimed it was found June 1 2019 10 am at low tide.
This is provable bullshit.

https://scontent.fyxe1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62530794_2226176320791892_305927299268608000_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQl4t0CrSTtaOgyF_QsCZWgoCAxlsCGbKf877sIK1YmI5eUr-MRH-GFrncLDh6N_7n0&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxe1-1.fna&oh=8540effe0c307843ece1758793f1ea76&oe=5DEBE3E7

"So what has been claimed, or asserted, about the ring? Nothing but replicable facts."

Let's see you replicate low tide on June 1st at 10 am, lol.

"Jim, during the course of his invented story, figured out HOW the ring came to be in that location"

What invented story ? Do you think I got in touch with the Smithsonian and had them alter all the tide charts ?
Don't you get it Patrick ? the ring didn't come to be in that location, they lied to you, or you are lying about it.
The find story is provable bullshit.

That it may be a real antique Nordic ring is meaningless, we all knew these sorts of rings existed.
That someone is faking the finding of one in North America is meaningful, don't you agree ?

Joe Scales
7/17/2019 07:06:26 pm

"Perhaps Patrick, you don't understand how tides work ?"

Oh, most definitely. Patrick does not know how tides work. I suppose he thinks when one side of the river is low tide, the other must be high tide. The imbecile.

But tides are not the only thing Patrick does not understand. Let's see... off the top of my head, Patrick does not understand how logic works. How reason works. How scientific methodology works. How photographic negatives work. How truth works. How integrity works. And most of all, how humor works.

Him being the butt of the joke and all, I can pardon him for the latter. That he'll never see it is his own derangement.

Jim
7/17/2019 11:54:26 am

Anyhoo,,, Wolters blog post about Drake is up.
He seems to think the Museum holding the fake Drake plaque is conspiring against him.

"This reeks of the same rumor mill behavior that dogged the Kensington Rune Stone for a century before proper scientific inquiry definitively proved it was genuine."

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2019/07/american-unearthed-season-4-episode-8.html

Scott, the reason they rescinded your permission for your XRF scan was to avoid the nonsensical sh#tstorm you created with your faked data of the fake KRS and the fake XRF data your partner Hutton Pulitzer presented on the fake roman sword.
Jeez, how does he expect other Museums and reputable places to work with him when he continues to slag them and put forth nonsensical theories and falsified data ?
He just keeps digging himself deeper in his hole of ignominy.

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Doc Rock
7/17/2019 01:13:55 pm

I must have missed when proper scientific inquiry definitely proved the KS is genuine. When did that happen? I know that Scotty engaged in an analysis based on comparative weathering but this is an inexact science and at best would yield evidence suggesting that the KS is genuine. I would take "definitely proved" with a grain of salt even if the analysis had been conducted by people actually qualified to do it.

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Jim
7/17/2019 02:51:00 pm

"After Another 25 Years, the Hoaxers Came Clean

A press conference took place on February 18, 2003, at Berkeley’s Bancroft Library, the same library that Herbert Bolton oversaw from 1920 to 1940. At this press conference, it was revealed that, indeed, Drake’s Plate was a hoax. But it was more than that. It was meant to be a private prank that a group of colleagues played on Bolton."

https://historydaily.org/drakes-plate-a-fabricated-artifact-and-the-story-of-an-out-of-control-prank

!977 "CHEMICAL STUDY OF THE PLATE OF BRASS"

https://escholarship.org/content/qt31t2c8wk/qt31t2c8wk.pdf

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Doc Rock
7/17/2019 02:59:35 pm

I wonder what kind of testing Wolter had in mind. Was the game plan to have the testing done by a research facility that does this kind of stuff or was he going to do it?

Jim
7/17/2019 03:07:38 pm

Wolter wanted to do an XRF scan. His reputation is soooo bad they nixed even that non intrusive test.
With Wolters habit of "collecting" souvenir samples, they most likely would not trust him alone with the plaque.

Doc Rock
7/17/2019 03:14:07 pm

Did he want the scan done or did he want to do the scan?

Jim
7/17/2019 03:33:36 pm

"we had already secured permission to test the plaque using an X-Ray Florescence gun to determine the exact chemical composition of the brass,"

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2019/07/american-unearthed-season-4-episode-8.html

-------
" Their neutron activation analysis showed that its chemical impurity levels were too low for sixteenth century English manufacturing techniques. They estimated that the artifact had been made no earlier than the eighteenth century and probably much later -- even as late as 1936, shortly before the forgery was perpetrated. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Most important, neutron activation analysis revealed not only higher levels of zinc than expected for an alloy made in Drake's time -- zinc hadn't yet been identified in the sixteenth century -- but much lower levels of other metals like nickel, cobalt, silver, gold, lead, and iron. This suggested that the brass was a mix of high-purity copper and zinc, which would not have been available at the time. "

https://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-Drakes-plate.html

Doc Rock
7/17/2019 03:41:45 pm

Perhaps the Bancroft folks started getting all sorts of nightmarish images of team Wolter deciding to scrub the plate with bleach and a wire brush to more effectively look for any hooked X's on it?

A reputable university special collections decides that they don't want SW to do anything other than stage a photo op with something. Conspiracy or common sense?

Patrick
7/17/2019 02:36:09 pm

You're deranged, Jim.

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Jim
7/17/2019 02:52:51 pm

Sticks and stones Patrick,,,,,, try using facts and science rather than insults.

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Lyn
7/17/2019 04:27:42 pm

I'm confused on this. I thought that some eyars ago Drake's Plate had been acknowledged as a hoax by colleagues of the man who made all the fuss about it.

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Doc Rock
7/17/2019 04:53:48 pm

Anything declared to be a hoax provides an excuse for Wolter to claim that it isn't and he is battling some sort of conspiracy to prevent it from being acknowledged as authentic.

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Jim
7/17/2019 05:27:19 pm

C'mon Doc, obviously Drake was a Templar and the Minoans told him about the pure copper in the upper peninsula which is where he got the copper to make the plaque and why it has less impurities than other 16th century metals.
Also the Templars most assuredly had secret knowledge on how to make rolled plating rather than normal 16th century beaten brass plate.
The fellows who admitted to faking the plaque were employed by the Smithsonian to keep that secret as well as the fact that Drake used giants in his plundering of the Spanish Main. How else could he have beaten so many Spanish so handily with such a small force ?

Doc Rock
7/17/2019 05:54:02 pm

Jim,

Well, once Scotty dumps a gallon of bleach on that plate and gives it a good scrubbing with the wire brush that he uses to clean his grill after cooking brauts he will no doubt find a notched X that will BAM definitely prove the Templar connection. Then the US will have to give California back to....well I'm not sure. But it is somebody that the Smithsonian and Catholic Church doesn't want to have it. My guess is that to prevent this Seal Team 6 is gonna hit the Bancroft at about 3am. By sunset that plate will be at the bottom of the Marianas Trench along with all those giant skeletons and the Minoan mining equipment that was found in Michigan.

Jim
7/18/2019 02:27:25 pm

Jebus but Wolter is a liar and stupid.

Wolter in his comments:

" All initial indicators from my cursory examination look good for it being authentic. However, the prevailing "wisdom" thinks it's a hoax based solely on rumor and innuendo."

Based solely on rumor and innuendo ????? Lies,lies, lies.
Fer frack sakes there was a battery of scientific tests done on it including a neutron activation analysis as well as an analysis done showing the wording was modern an not from the 16th century.

And then a couple of comments later Wolter completely contradicts his own statement:

"I looked at the 1970s zinc content test results and to be frank, was unimpressed."

Just how stupid can you be and still function as a geologist ?
I guess we already know the answer to that question.
Braindead

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Jim
7/18/2019 08:01:12 pm

And further to this Wolter has decided to die on the same hill that Pulitzer did with the fake roman sword.

The 1977 testing shows a zinc content on the plaque to be from
33.7% to 35.9%

As Dr. Christa Brosseau noted in her study of Pulitzers fake sword:

" Hence, dating from about the sixteenth century, some brasses have been found containing up to 33% zinc. Zinc content above this level is reflective of a more modern brass, produced using a more modern direct method (speltering), the patent for which was taken out in 1738 in Britain.2 The older cementation method was largely abandoned by the mid-1800s."

https://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/archives/01-2016

This is of course all covered in the 53 page report from Helen V Michel and Frank Asaro

https://escholarship.org/content/qt31t2c8wk/qt31t2c8wk.pdf

Also of note is the fact that Wolter cannot claim that the XRF testing is a newer advance on the science of the day.
XRF testing was already done on the plaque in 1977 which they used to determine the trace amounts of lead and iron.

The 1977 testing used:
1 -Neutron activation analysis
2 -X-ray Fluorescence (XRF)
3 -Emission Spectroscopy
4 -Atomic absorbtion Measurements
5 -X rays

It should be noted as well that this team of scientists were not restricted to non-invasive testing, they were allowed to drill fresh un-weathered samples not samples covered by any patina.
Wolter on the other hand, to do a non invasive XRF scan has to deal with at least 41 years of patina buildup which as we know can skew XRF testing badly.

Wolter:

"I'm confident we can figure out authenticity with non-invasive methods"

Translated from Wolterspeak ----- I can make shit up.

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Jim
7/18/2019 08:25:54 pm

Wolter:

"I looked at the 1970s zinc content test results and to be frank, was unimpressed. Brass with virtually any zinc content could have been made in recent times or back then. It is NOT a definitive test for when it was made."

Wrong,,, I wonder if he really read the report.


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        • Hermetica >
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      • Medieval Texts >
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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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          • Fossils and the Supernatural
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          • Man During the Stone Age
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          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
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        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
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        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
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        • The Mutinous Sea
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        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
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        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
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        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
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        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
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        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
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      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
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        • What Is Theosophy?
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      • H. P. Lovecraft >
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        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
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      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
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      • The Migration of Symbols
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      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
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      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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