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Review of America's Lost Vikings S01E03 "War in the New World"

2/26/2019

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​With each episode of America’s Lost Vikings, archaeologists Blue Nelson and Mike Arbuthnot move a little further away from L’Anse aux Meadows in their quest to trace the path of the Vikings on their hypothetical exploration of New England and the interior of North America. That means that each episode, in theory, should become a little more speculative and a little more out there. I hate to admit this, but I really wish they would just bite the bullet and try to be a little more extreme, because as it is, the show is so pedestrian and dull that even when confronted with purported evidence of Vikings deep in the interior of America, the hosts do little more than shrug and run off to play dress up. They whiffed playing t-ball, and it is no wonder viewership has sunk down to around 390,000 viewers for this episode.
​This week’s episode, S01E03 “War in the New World,” explored the passages in the Icelandic sagas describing battles between the Vikings and the “Skraelings,” the indigenous peoples of Greenland and Vinland. It is commonly accepted that in Greenland the word referred to the Dorset people or their successors, the Thule, who are the ancestors of the Inuit. The controversy comes into play when extending the term to Vinland, since the thirteenth century sagas use that word to describe peoples encountered in the eleventh century. Since the location of Vinland has never been fully established, the people that the Vikings encountered there can’t be determined with certainty. Nelson and Arbuthnot want to play around in that uncertainty and extend the term “Skraeling” to a variety of Native people throughout New England and upstate New York, though there is not yet a reason to do so. Nor are they terribly clear about the widely accepted identification of Skraelings with the Arctic peoples, for to do so would limit the persuasiveness of the assertion that Native Americans of the continental U.S. were the Skraelings of the sagas.
 
Basically, few would doubt the Skraelings were Natives, but who the Skraelings of the Vinland stories were depends entirely on where Vinland was, a question Nelson and Arbuthnot have not answered.
 
In order to start to answer the question, Nelson and Arbuthnot travel to the Wayne County Museum here in upstate New York to view an alleged Viking spearhead found at Charles Point in 1929 and kept in the museum. Wayne County is on the shore of Lake Ontario, far from L’Anse aux Meadows, and the broken iron spear point is an anomaly that has generated a great deal of speculation but few answers. It has never been scientifically tested. Some non-invasive tests that Arbuthnot and Nelson conducted determined that it is a piece of forged iron with a 93% iron content and some manganese impurities, within the range of Viking iron. However, they could not confirm that it was of Viking manufacture, but the two archaeologists and the museum’s curator were giddy with excitement anyway. I’m not entirely sure why. As best I can tell, those who have written about the artifact in the past already concluded that it is possibly a Viking spear point, but the consensus explanation is that it probably arrived on the shore of Lake Ontario as a trade item passing from Native group to Native group down from Newfoundland. It is possible that Vikings brought it themselves, but no other evidence supports this. Nelson and Arbuthnot do not consider the trade explanation and present a false dichotomy that the spear was brought by Vikings or it is not a Viking artifact at all.
 
They briefly search the site near Augustus Hoffman’s boathouse where the spearhead was found in 1929, but they find nothing of interest because there is too much modern debris to sort through in an hour. They knew that before starting but went through the kabuki theater of pretend archaeology anyway.
 
What is more interesting is that this particular artifact—the first and only piece of hard evidence for Viking material in the continental United States that they examined—warranted only a few minutes of screen time. Arbuthnot and Nelson shrug and give up without bothering even to speculate about how the spear fits into the story they are trying to tell about the Vikings. They simply let the thread drop as though the investigation never happened at all. The sheer and utter incompetence of letting actual evidence fade away was, frankly, shocking. America Unearthed would have done half an hour on it and somehow turned it into the Spear of Destiny. Here, no one seems to much care once they got the 30 seconds of video they needed for the trailer.
 
After giving up on the Wayne County spear head, Nelson alone travels here to Albany to meet a Native American oral history expert, who tells Nelson about the widespread tradition that Native peoples fought “giants” with skins of stone. Many have suggested that this refers to encounters with armed Vikings, though it is of course not possible to state this definitively, despite Nelson’s claim that it is “strong evidence” for a Viking presence in New York and New England. As with trade goods, stories spread, so the presence of a story south of Newfoundland might be evidence of the spread of an oral tradition but not necessarily physical encounters with actual Vikings.
 
Much of the remainder of the episode—about two-thirds of the running time—involves historical reenactments in which the hosts play manly he-men and run around in the woods. The first experiment was an effort to determine of the Vikings could have smelted their own iron and forged new weapons in upstate New York should they have needed additional weapons to fight with Native Americans. Mostly, it is an excuse to watch the two men stumble through a poor attempt to make iron. Then Nelson and Arbuthnot join some Viking reenactors to see Viking weapons at work in the hope of gauging how many Native Americans Vikings could have killed in battle. I could have lived without watching them do violence to a dead pig, and I wasn’t terribly interested in watching Nelson and Arbuthnot pretend to fight each other with Viking-style weapons. In Baltimore, the men have Native and Viking weapons tested in order to determine if the Vikings could have been “victorious” against Native Americans. The show’s sympathies clearly lie with the Vikings, and we are asked to root for them as we imagine them heroically carving a path of violence and death across the northeast United States. After spending an hour fetishizing the Vikings, a throwaway line at the end admits that Native Americans would have just killed them all if they came into conflict because there were many times more Native Americans than the handful of Viking explorers, so the point was largely moot.
 
Frankly, it was really weird. The hosts make a big deal out of emphasizing their respect for Native Americans and their bona fides when it comes to Native issues. They have several different Native people in the episode. And yet, they really only give Native Americans their due in a brief aside at the end, having spent the entire hour “investigating” all the ways Vikings could have conquered and killed Natives in an orgy of violence. That such a conquest did not occur should be obvious—there aren’t any Vikings here anymore. There was nothing wrong with the exploration of Viking technology and culture, but the framing, in almost fetishistic terms, was just weird.
 
The show is rather perverse in its priorities, as though it doesn’t really care about its subject matter and wanted to be a show about manly men learning about the Viking lifestyle before network notes told them that they had to connect it to the United States to cater to the network’s demand for U.S.-centric content. If you excise the few minutes of speculation about whether the Vikings reached the interior of North America, there is little here that wouldn’t pass for a standard-issue low-budget reality show about living the Viking lifestyle. Since only 390,000 people are watching, they might have done better to be more honest about their intentions and made this more of a survivalist-style reality show than a pale imitation of the History Channel’s gonzo fake history shows.
 
Before I leave that thought, I do want to point out that the Science Channel’s marketing is somewhat at odds with the actual content of the show. It’s very much targeted to the presumed prejudices of its audience. “The New World wasn’t new,” reads the tagline for America’s Lost Vikings, as intoned by the Science Channel’s promo narrator. This is literally true—Native Americans already lived there. But the promo meant something different: that white people had already explored the Americas before Columbus inaugurated sustained trans-Atlantic contact. We know this is the real meaning because “new to Europeans” or “to white people” is implied, and the only objects of that preposition to make sense in the sentence, reminding us of both the real subject of the show and also the Science Channel’s assumptions about its audience. 

Note: This post was updated to include viewership figures for the Feb. 24 broadcast.
35 Comments
Doc Rock
2/26/2019 09:40:08 am

That spear point looks a lot like some pictures that I have seen of boarding pikes.

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Joe Scales
2/26/2019 10:27:32 am

"But the promo meant something different: that white people had already explored the Americas before Columbus inaugurated sustained trans-Atlantic contact. We know this is the real meaning because “new to Europeans” or “to white people” is implied, and the only objects of that preposition to make sense in the sentence, reminding us of both the real subject of the show and also the Science Channel’s assumptions about its audience."

Except for the fact that Columbus was white too. Jesus Christ man, that's got to be the most nonsensical stretch you've made in trying to color everything with one broad, racist brush-stroke.

Sunday's episode is about the Kensington Rune Stone. Try not to screw that one up. Please.

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Andy White
2/26/2019 11:27:30 am

The sentence is somewhat convoluted, but the point is pretty clear: the "New World" is only "new" in reference to discovery by Europeans.

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Doc Rock
2/26/2019 12:23:18 pm

The Stormfront discussion board has some interesting discussions concerning whether or not Columbus was a "Crypto Jew" as well as debates over whether or not Italians are really white. In regard to the latter, the majority opinion seems to lean toward white, although this represents a major shift in white supremacist attitudes toward Italians (or at least Sicilians and southern Italians) over the last century.

Given the attempts by some extreme white nationalist groups to exploit Leif Erikson Day, it shouldn't be surprising that emphasizing which particular Europeans got here first would be a priority within some fringe groups.

Joe Scales
2/26/2019 01:15:18 pm

"... but the point is pretty clear: the "New World" is only "new" in reference to discovery by Europeans."

Which is simply stating the obvious.
In other news, water is wet...

Kent
2/26/2019 04:49:49 pm

Ir works when you factor in the fact that Columbus only reached the Caribbean.

Yeti
2/26/2019 12:27:48 pm

Mister Colavito, we have had this discussion before. This is no longer your blog. It belongs to Joe Scales and as such the quality must meet his exacting standards.

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Accumulated Wisdom
2/27/2019 04:14:33 pm

Yeti,

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I can see the hypocrisy too, but, it's best to just ignore Joey P. He's like a pirate with two peg limbs...Does not have a leg to stand on.

An Anonymous Nerd
2/26/2019 10:39:19 pm

[Except for the fact that Columbus was white too. Jesus Christ man, that's got to be the most nonsensical stretch you've made in trying to color everything with one broad, racist brush-stroke. ]

Mr. Colavito's intent was pretty clear, as Mr. White has pointed out. The show's intent seems pretty clear too. I submit it isn't Mr. Colavito who's painting with "racist brush-strokes." It's the show.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Jim
2/26/2019 12:07:41 pm

" It has never been scientifically tested. Some non-invasive tests that Arbuthnot and Nelson conducted determined that it is a piece of forged iron with a 93% iron content and some manganese impurities, within the range of Viking iron."

Meh,,, there are tons of forged artifacts found all over North America,, and most aren't even made of metal

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Kent
2/26/2019 04:52:21 pm

I'd be interested in hearing what these "non-invasive tests" (more than one!) were.

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Jason Colavito link
2/26/2019 06:18:55 pm

They examined it with a microscope, and they scanned it with a gun to measure metal content. You can watch the episode on the Science Channel's website if you have a participating cable provider.

Kent
2/26/2019 07:11:58 pm

https://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-shows/americas-lost-vikings/full-episodes/war-in-the-new-world

I will look at it but until the show loads it sounds like they looked at it and pointed something at it and came up with surprisingly precise results.

Paul
2/27/2019 12:02:30 pm

The "gun" was an xray flouresence portable analyzer. Quite a standard portable test. Very useful in ore and metal analysis. If calibrated properly, no reason to doubt the analysis.

Kent
2/27/2019 05:43:54 pm

The video never did load so thank you!

Paul
2/26/2019 12:36:21 pm

Hmmm, Fort Ontario, a British fort, first occupied in about 1755 is only about 30 miles as the crow flies from Sodus Point, why not look at the obvious first? The other thing that was weird was the inordinate amount of time spend jacking around with chain mail. Since chain mail was quite a status item in Viking culture, or so I understand, perhaps wrongly, why would a group of Vikings be traipsing around North America in chain mail?

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Doc Rock
2/26/2019 12:49:39 pm

Boarding pikes were standard equipment on British and American naval vessels in the late 18th and 19th centuries. Lake Erie was in the area of naval warfare or naval involvement in conflicts ranging from the Revolutionary War to the Fenian Raids.

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Titus pullo
2/26/2019 09:14:36 pm

I visited the wayne county historical society where the spearpoint is held. The museum is the old county jail and the point was framed in an old open closet in the basement nest to some mastodon bones. I actually did or tried to do a podcast on it and interviewed the currator who used to work in hollywood as a production assistant and writet. The actual story is interesting as jason states. And there is a connection to james curran (look him up). When i was there the currator showed me two prior investigations. One was a lettet from some LA society on vikings who were convinced it was norse. The lettet was from the 60s. In 1980 university of buffalo archaelogist took a look and hiught it was a bayonete from the war of 1812 which had a battle in sodus bay where it was found. I sent some pics of it to a norse expert at a uk university who thought it looked norse. Yes Scott walker coukd do a whole year on this. Ha ha

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Poodleshooter
2/26/2019 09:21:07 pm

"actually did or tried to do a podcast"!

Classic Titus! And an insightful commentary on podcasting today.

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Titus pullo
2/27/2019 08:33:25 pm

Well my attempt which i did back in 2015 is on my mac. My son who is a senior at ithaca college(jasons alma mattar) is a film production major and he said the audio was horrible and my editing was and i quote “sucks”. He also said something about the music i used violating copywrite laws. But i did interview the women who runs the musuem and a noted authority in old norse. Then i kinda list interest in it.

Poodleshooter
2/27/2019 09:22:36 pm

my editing was... "sucks"
"copywrite laws"
"the women who runs"
"list interest"

We could have gotten along without hearing how bad something sucked.

I'm not entirely convinced that ths is the real Titus. Jason, "TOS"?

Titus
2/28/2019 12:36:40 pm

Ok my problem is attempting to write this using my iPhone. Im in my 50s and between my fat fingering the damn small keyboard and needing reading glasses my spelling and grammar leave a bit to be desired.

Jason after this i will only reply using my pc and spell check as well.

My apologies all.

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Charles Verrastro link
3/3/2019 10:56:41 am

The problem with all these anomalous artifacts is, it really doesn't matter if they can be definitively dated as to provenance and authenticity. You can trace the isotopes of an object to a specific forge in Norway last used in 1300 A.D. That doesn't mean a Viking carted it to San Francisco then. It could have come from some farmer's field or antiquarian collection back home and taken here in the late 1800s (when most of these things were first reportedly found) by a Norwegian immigrant.

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Sherman Hilgren link
3/3/2019 02:36:50 pm

Tonite show #4 they are in Minnesota.
In the book ''VIKINGS, The North Atlantic Saga'' by the Smithsonian they state ''there are too many artifacts for the Kensington Runestone (KRS) to be REAL''.

There are too many artifacts because they were left by the Vikings who were here beginning a few hundred years earlier but they had not made that connection or refused to see the obvious.

''purported evidence of Vikings deep in the interior of America, the hosts do little more than shrug and run off to play dress up.''
EXACTLY!
Thank you , last fall the Science Channel contacted me here in Minnesota and I was asked to contribute and when I tried to tell them about the Vikings having explored here beginning a thousand years ago they refused to include it. YET they say,, ''we will go to any length'' to get the truth. LOL !
. They wanted a boat ride and to do underwater research but I had told them the boats and docks had been put away for the season. They wanted to do ''an old fashion dig'' but I told them this is too late in the fall and the ground may be frozen or covered with snow and it was deer hunting season too. I wanted to tell them to 'go fly that kite' else where,,,BUT,
I told them to call back in the spring as it was simply too late in the season

''Since the location of Vinland has never been fully established, the people that the Vikings encountered there can’t be determined with certainty.''

In James Curran's book ''This Was Vinland,, The Great Lakes Region of North America'' he believes it stretches from the Atlantic coast to the Missouri river in North Dakota.

On this long narrow strip of high ground in western Minnesota,,,We got the wild grapes, the hardwoods, the self-seeding grain,dozens of Viking artifacts, a dozen story's of remains of ships being found here by the first settler, remains of earthlodges (aka longhouses) a couple hundred mooring stones, a few runestones, a map showing the route they traveled, and over a dozen Norse hunting pits(aka pit-falls) in my front yard and yet they can not find the Lost Viking Colony. (insert imoje of me screaming loudly)
AND then ,,,the KRS ,,is proof Paul Knutson returned to western Minnesota in 1362 also looking for the Greenlander Vikings TOO..(why does his have to be so freakin hard to get through them big hard head?)

''Skralinge Land''' The natives of North America get lumped into this one term and they all then were considered as savages.That is simply wrong. The Chippewa called the Sioux the ''snakes'' as they were the untrustworthy half breeds and outcasts and warriors that roamed the prairie and were most feared by the early explorers and settlers and other natives. The many native tribes(Cree, Assinabone, Mandans) that the Vikings may have encountered in the west and not had issues with are unfairly then judged and called savages too.

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Jim
3/4/2019 03:16:14 pm

"The Chippewa called the Sioux the ''snakes'' as they were the untrustworthy half breeds and outcasts and warriors that roamed the prairie"

So, is this racism or tribalism ? What is your blood ?

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/tbacig/studproj/a1041/mnansx1800/sioux.htm

" The name "sioux" is short for Nadowessioux, meaning "little snakes", which was a spiteful nickname given to them by the Ojibwe, their longtime foe. The fur traders abbreviated this name to Sioux and is now commonly used. But the tribe prefers Dakota, Lakota, or Nakota, depending on the dialect they speak. The Sioux were the dominant tribe in Minnesota in the 17th century."

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Sherman Hilgren link
3/5/2019 06:12:43 am

''spiteful nicknames'' may be a gross understatement!

''The two maidens were small creatures of only twelve years, being pupils at the mission school. These girls sprang out of their canoes and in their terror waded from the shore into the shallow waters of the lake. They were pursued by the Sioux party.The men, dragging them to land, butchered them upon the spot, their dying shrieks ringing in the ears of the distracted parents at the island. They were scalped, their heads were cut off, a hatchet was sunk in the brain of each, their bodies were mutilated, and the heads were set up in mockery in the sands of shore'' ...N.H. Winchell, ''the Aborigines of Minnesota''

Jim
3/5/2019 07:54:12 am

That was not written by Winchell but by Franc Babbitt of an account that he gets from another party, a Mrs Ayer who apparently eye-witnessed events at numerous different places at the same time.

Sherman Hilgren link
3/4/2019 08:55:37 am

Jason writes;
''Since the location of Vinland has never been fully established.''

Kent Budden had a website asking ''Where was Vinland?''
He once wrote me that he had a list of two dozen locations for Vinland and that ''Minnesota ,had never even made the list''
Kent also wrote about the ''pit-falls'' in Newfoundland that Britta Wallace also called the ''norse hunting pits'' which she was very interested in too..
''Vinland, of west'' (KRS) is the long narrow strip of high ground in western Minnesota! We have the norse hunting pits and the wild grapes etc etc etc.
They have simply been looking in the wrong place.

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Jim
3/4/2019 02:03:51 pm

" in western Minnesota! We have the norse hunting pits"

Pretty bold statement, perhaps you would like to share with the rest of the class your proofs that there are Norse hunting pits in Minnesota ?

Zat you Gunn ?

http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/02/23/sops-arm-is-also-not-vinland-americas-lost-vikings-episode-2/

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Sherman Hilgren link
3/5/2019 05:45:25 am

Norse hunting pit-falls were also used to capture soul less or black hearted trolls who after they had fallen into them could not find their way out as they did not know which way was up.
Nota Gunner!

Jim
3/5/2019 07:00:22 am

Great answer, that clears things up.
Shouldn't you be out looking for stoneholes ? You are a stonehole guy are you not ?

Sherman Hilgren link
3/5/2019 07:31:43 am

The snow is a bit too deep this time of the season for looking for mooring stones thou I have found many. Any other name for them is simply names concocted by those who could not find the water in the ''land of ten thousand lakes''.
However I do like the term 'hole stones' made by the holy men who were the men who lived in holes.

Jim
3/5/2019 10:39:48 am

Gotcha, mooring holes it is.
Any progress on those proofs of Norse pit traps ?

Cesare Del Vaglio
3/25/2019 09:51:19 am

Get over it! Columbus is rightly credited with discovering America because his voyages resulted in the steady, sustained, continuous migration of peoples of all backgrounds coming from the Old World to the New World.

I enjoy your program, but please don’t try to hype it by claiming you may ‘Rewrite the history or America’ by suggesting that other than Columbus was at the forefront of migration to America....

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Gina Novelli
4/27/2019 12:50:56 pm

On a much lighter note, lets give credit to the craftsman behind the scene in this production.

The Vikings were brilliant ship designers and builders, and their unique vessels were vital to the lives of the Vikings - both used on land and water.

Mike and Blue or Arrow Productions (not sure) hired a skilled craftsman boat builder from Massachusetts to replicate (smaller version) a vessel.

When complete and launched it slid into the water seamlessly, rowed into the water with grace, and was beautiful----The production crew applauded !!!!!

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