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Review of Ancient Aliens S06E07 "Emperors, Kings and Pharaohs"

11/9/2013

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In this episode, Ancient Aliens crosses over into the Holy Bloodline of Jesus territory by looking at the way royal and imperial claims of descent from a god (read: alien) produce a divine right to rule. Since Laurence Gardner was both a dedicated advocate of the secret Holy Bloodline of Jesus that he thought led to all European rulers sharing genes with the children of Christ and Mary Magdalene and was also an ancient astronaut theorist who thought Jesus was the fruit of an extraterrestrial lineage, I imagine that makes him the spiritual godfather of S06E07 “Emperors, Kings and Pharaohs.”

We open with the coronation of Elizabeth II in 1953 and the anointing of the monarch with holy oil. David Wilcock says it is “a very interesting connection” that the British Monarchy uses Christian teachings and texts, as though Christianity weren’t the state religion of England.

Various pundits talk about monarchs’ claims of divine descent, and we go (as always) to Egypt to look at Ramses II’s temples and his many statues of himself, including those of him as Osiris. We rehearse the death and resurrection of Osiris and his son Horus’ assumption of the Egyptian throne. From this fictive history, the narrator asks us whether the Egyptians were right that the gods reigned before humans and that the pharaohs were human-alien hybrids descended from those pharaohs. Here we get into an issue Ancient Aliens doesn’t want to tackle, which is that the various dynasties of Egypt were not all lineal descendants of one early king but rather used fictive claims of descent to justify various usurpations and conquests. The pharaohs did not consider themselves to be descendants of Horus but rather to be Horus (and, after death, Osiris); thus, anyone by being pharaoh, was the god.

Unable to keep on this idea for a full two minutes, the show talks about the architecture of Ramses’ temples, but even here the show seems to recognize it’s grasping at straws. The door of one temple, Abu Simbel, is designed so that twice a year the sun shines straight down the main hall and illuminates Ramses’ statue. This is a rather simple calculation, and one no one bothers to suggest was designed by aliens; instead, the show speculates that it was done to “channel” supernatural energy. However, the show can’t quite work up the conviction to suggest that this energy is alien, just symbolic.

Giorgio Tsoukalos claims that Ramses II asserted he was in contact with the aliens, by which he seems to mean that Ramses’ inscriptions make conventional reference to his consultations with the gods, which is about as definitive proof of aliens as Bill O’Reilly’s claim that the Holy Spirit comes to him in his sleep to suggest topics for new books. David Childress adds that pharaohs’ DNA contains extraterrestrial traces, which really ought to be something we could test—yet no one seems interested in doing that.

Next we move to Asia to look for alien emperors. The Yellow Emperor of China, Huangdi (or Huangti), is claimed to be a civilizing alien. I have posted the ancient Chinese historian Sima Qian’s accounts of the Yellow Emperor in my library (first paragraph of chapter one) so you can see for yourself that Tsoukalos is not on firm ground when claiming that the Yellow Emperor orbited the earth and descended from the sky. Sima Qian is quite clear that he was born here on earth, a human child. Instead, Tsoukalos seems to be vaguely referring to modern interpretations that see the Yellow Emperor (Huangdi) as a historicizing figure derived from the Shang sky god (Shangdi). The on-screen graphics do the work that the words cannot or will not and make Huangdi’s magic cauldron into a beacon signaling a yellow, grasshopper-shaped spaceship meant to represent a Yellow Dragon. While the show quotes unidentified folklore that the Yellow Emperor ascended to the sky after death, Sima Qian records that he died and was buried like any other person. The Chinese today believe that he died, and they venerate him at his mausoleum in Shaanxi, where they tell visitors that his body still lies.

Now we’re off to Japan and its first emperor, who was the descendant of the sun goddess. Although she was (and is) the sun in Shinto, William Henry says she is “like” the sun to make her into an alien. If this be true, the sun goddess is a terrible alien overlord since Japanese emperors have been notoriously powerless throughout Japanese history, only occasionally asserting control over government. Today, the emperor isn’t even the titular head of state; he is merely a constitutional officer with fixed functions. Erich von Däniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos, and David Childress suggest that the ancient Japanese emperors’ magic mirror was a tablet computer giving him spy capabilities across the Pacific. It’s interesting that in the past, before the iPad, these same theorists likened such devices to television sets and were convinced they were cathode ray tubes. Now they’re touch-screen tablets. Ancient alien ideas seem to keep up with the latest tech trends.

As we pass the halfway point, we go to India to talk about King Rama and his mighty weapon, the Brahmstra (= Brahma Astra, or “Brahma’s Weapon”). This magical device existed in the realm of pure thought and appeared only after its user exerted great meditational power. It’s the same weapon that appears in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana and led to David Childress’s false quotations used to assert the reality of ancient nuclear warfare.

We don’t spend even a second thinking about this because it’s time to look at stupas and King Ashoka. We review a text I am not familiar with called the Ashokavadana in which a levitating, meditating monk was half on fire and half dripping water, inspiring Ashoka to convert to Buddhism. I checked John S. Strong’s 1983 translation of the text, and this is the poetic wording from the section called “Samudra and Asoka’s Conversion”:

      From half of his body, water poured down;
      From the other half, fire blazed forth.
      Raining and flaming, he shone in the sky…

The show asserts that this is an “eyewitness account” even though many versions, with discrepancies, exist in Asian poetry. It is, instead, a polemical text designed to emphasize the power of Buddhism; such mastery of the elements is the highest level of yoga.

The stupas we’ve discussed before when Ancient Aliens last claimed they were inspired by UFOs because they are round.

After the break, we assert that the House of Windsor are among the most powerful and long-lasting royal families “in human history,” which would be a surprise to the British, who know that the Windsors were formerly the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family, and they originate (in the female line of Victoria) from minor German princes from Hanover in 1714, when George I became king to resolve the crisis of establishing an acceptable successor to Queen Anne, when the succession fell, by parliamentary decree, on Sophia, Electress of Hanover, and then to Anne’s second cousin George I, who claimed the right to rule not because he was the closest relation to Queen Anne—that was the Stuart family—but because he was the closest Protestant relation, the Catholic Stuarts having been disqualified by the Act of Union of 1707 between England and Scotland. George’s relationship to the Stuarts was only though his maternal grandmother.

Oh, right, none of this matters because the show ignores all of the history of the monarchy to assert that Elizabeth II descends from the Norse God Odin, in his Germanic form, Woden. No proof of this is offered. Instead, we talk about Odin’s Wild Hunt at midwinter, when the ghosts of the dead followed the psychopomp to the underworld. Tsoukalos asserts that Sleipnir, the eight-legged horse of Odin, was “fiery” (I can’t find proof of that in the Eddas) and was therefore (as the graphics show) a spaceship with eight fiery thrusters.

David Childress dances around the Holy Bloodline conspiracy by noting that European royalty claims “special” blood that is protected through intermarriage to preserve alien DNA. (I guess the Duke of Cambridge didn’t get the message, marrying a commoner and all. Worse, the Danish Crown Prince married an Australian commoner. Both even reproduced with these commoners!)

In January 2013, the show says, a “unique” DNA sequence was discovered that 24% of “leadership behavior” is attributed to DNA--non-alien DNA, let’s note—and somehow we’re supposed to feel that this means that the aliens imputed that DNA into royal families to make them “born to rule.” This is genetic determinism of the worst sort; leadership behavior is nebulous and varies by culture. Worse, many of the “divine right” rulers were, frankly, worthless. One of the truths about “royal” bloodlines is that the inbred rulers produced more duds than brilliant leaders.

Even the show seems to lose its own train of thought and instead throws up its hands, recognizing that if everything they just said in this hour were true, then the “alien” DNA would be present in the genomes of “millions” (actually, billions) of people worldwide. “The implications are both astonishing and profound,” says the narrator. Well, no: The implications are exactly what you prattle on about every week: the claim that aliens genetically engineered humans. Of course, this neatly absolves the ancient alien theorists from needing proof: If everyone has alien DNA, then there is no way to find it since we think it’s just regular DNA. But it also means that this entire hour was a complete waste of time since the “royal” bloodlines aren’t special or unique and therefore have nothing to do with the final claims of the hour, which were presented as a religious revelation: You, too, dear viewer, are both related to royalty and a descendant of the divine. Holy, holy, holy, the spark of divinity is within you. Fall to your knees and send money, please.

57 Comments
Only Me
11/9/2013 04:51:37 am

I wonder if Tsoukalos is confusing Sleipnir's fiery countenance with how it has been portrayed in some modern art I've seen.

Usually, he's depicted carrying Odin (in battle dress, wielding Gungnir) across the sky. Here's the thing...beneath Sleipnir's hooves is what appears to be a "cushion" or stream of air. I think this was to denote the stallion galloping at great speed.

Of course, he could be conflating Sleipnir with the Fire Mares of the movie Krull. They galloped across sky and land with their hooves aflame.

Just a guess.

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Varika
11/9/2013 02:27:27 pm

Speaking as an artist, I'd probably put the "cushions" under the feet to indicate that he's RUNNING through the air (as the myths described) rather than just flying or levitating. It's a visual trick; if the feet never contact anything, the human mind just thinks it's hovering there.

Also, (to comment on the article rather than the previous comment) when I read translations of the Eddas, it's been pretty clear that when Sleipnir is described as "fiery," it's in the usual sense of "a fiery stallion," ie, one with a fierce temper. Since I can't read 14th century or earlier Norse, I can't say if the original uses a word that actually LITERALLY means "fiery" or if it's a different word that has the same colloquial meaning instead.

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Sacqueboutier
11/9/2013 09:38:30 am

I gyess they finally laid Phillip Copoens, ghost to rest.

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Jason Colavito link
11/9/2013 09:41:32 am

No, he was still there, but they're clearly running out of material to excerpt, so he didn't have anything interesting to say this time.

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StrongStyleFiction link
11/9/2013 02:13:53 pm

Did they ever acknowledge his death? A little "in memory of" or anything? I haven't watched at all this season and don't remember seeing one last season.

Jason Colavito link
11/9/2013 10:34:17 pm

No, they did not.

Sacqueboutier
11/10/2013 12:09:52 am

Ah. I totally missed it.

Mark L
11/11/2013 01:12:15 am

I think they did, if memory serves, at the end of the season immedaitely after his death.

Richard "Dick" Neimeyer
11/17/2013 07:38:52 am

I thought there was a on screen "in memory of Phillip Coppens" at the very end of the credits in one episode just before the Prometheus logo.

Jason Colavito link
11/17/2013 08:02:28 am

That's possible. H2 usually runs about 20 sec. over the hour, so my DVR tends to cut off the last few seconds.

Dave Lewis
11/9/2013 01:52:48 pm

Jason said...."It’s interesting that in the past, before the iPad, these same theorists likened such devices to television sets and were convinced they were cathode ray tubes. Now they’re touch-screen tablets. Ancient alien ideas seem to keep up with the latest tech trends."

Now that's funny! Not as funny as Gunn saying that Jesus is alive, but still its funny!

Dave Lewis

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Mandalore
11/9/2013 04:45:35 pm

If I'm not mistaken, Jesus has a compound in Siberia where he lives with his followers. Duh.

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Gunn
11/10/2013 03:24:34 am

Jason: "Holy, holy, holy, the spark of divinity is within you. Fall to your knees and send money, please."

Dave, when you see Jesus alive, it won't be funny to you. Millions of people across earth are funny because they believe in God? Maybe you're the comically tragic figure in all this. You and Jason, who don't mind being publicly profane, insofar as the divinity of Jesus is concerned.

He went willingly to the cross and died for you, or as varika might post: died for YOU! That's personal, so go ahead and get personal with Jesus. I would not want to be in the shoes of either of you, who think it is perfectly okay to mock God, whether you think He exists, or not. God is not mocked. I don't think it's a bit funny that both of you are currently bound for Hell. Your hearts are getting harder and tougher here on this blog. You are breathing your next breaths because of God's mercy. You still have time to repent, funny boys. Millions of Christians are standing ready to forgive you, and to welcome you both into the family of God...where DNA doesn't matter.

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Jason Colavito link
11/10/2013 04:33:59 am

Gunn, that line is mocking the way Ancient Aliens presents issues of faith, substituting aliens and solipsism for traditional faith. I'm not telling anyone to send me money; I'm implying that that is the message of ancient astronaut theorists.

Clint Knapp
11/10/2013 04:35:31 am

Bob,
I know you believe you're fighting the good fight here. I also know that whenever any blog post Jason makes touches on either something Biblical (or even Apocryphal) or to do with your favorite rock you'll go off on a long series of rants bordering on (or in this case, directly stepping into) personal attack territory, but I'm asking with as much civility as I can muster; please stop.

We understand you believe what you believe- as is your right- but do you really have to sit here condemning a man to hell on his own blog just because he doesn't conform to your beliefs? Look inside yourself, find a nice calm place, and go there instead of lashing out time and time again because Jason happened to mention God or discusses the subject in a manner displeasing to your beliefs.

You are not perfect, yourself, and I am sure there are other Christians who read this very blog who would object to your conclusions but make the conscious decision not to- as this is not the place for such things. Find where your anger comes from and address it at its source. It will do you more good in the end than telling the rest of us we're evil sinners going to hell for infractions against your personal belief system.

I wish you the best.

Varika
11/10/2013 10:57:58 am

Gunn, go to Hell. I'd never post "died for YOU!" because I don't believe in Jesus at all. I will NEVER "repent" of that, and I don't believe in God's mercy.

I hope you choke on it, you bigoted ass.

Jim
11/10/2013 04:23:11 pm

Gunn,
If heaven is full of self righteous douche bags like yourself then condemnation to hell might not be so bad. Besides, anyone who watches South Park knows the Mormons are the only ones who got it right, so you're going to hell too buddy!

Scott David Hamilton
11/9/2013 02:54:55 pm

I wonder if any ancient alien researchers have ever dealt with the fact that the three treasures of the Japanese royal family are supposed to be extant. If they really think the mirror is an iPad, or that the sword is a missile, and the jewel is a, I don't know, let's say a PS4 controller, shouldn't they go to any lengths to get a hold of them? Of course, I've wondered the same about all the alternate history people who've claimed to be one room away from the real Ark of the Covenant.

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Harry
11/10/2013 02:20:05 pm

All of the dynasties ruling the various Anglo-Saxon kingdoms at the time of their conversions to Christianity claimed to be descended in the male line from Germanic gods and almost all of them claimed to be descended from Woden in particular. The royal dynasty of Wessex, the kingdom that eventually swallowed all of the others, likewise claimed descent from Woden. Queen Elizabeth II's ancestor, King Henry I, married Matilda of Scotland, a descendant of the Wessex Dynasty (her mother was the grandniece of King Edward the Confessor, the next to last Anglo-Saxon king).

Here is the important point, however. There is a lot of evidence that casts doubt on the accuracy of even the purely human portions of Anglo-Saxon genealogies. For instance, some portions of the pedigree of Cerdic, founder of Wessex, appear to have been plagiarized from that of the separate kingdom of Northumbria. Moreover, Cerdic himself was almost certainly Celtic. Cerdic and variations of it are fairly common British names of the period during which Cerdic of Wessex lived. According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, Cerdic had a father named Elesa and a son named Cynric (who succeeded him on the throne). Interestingly, the genealogy of the Welsh kingdom of Gwent listed two cousins named Cerdic, one of whom had a father named Elisegg and the other who had a son named Cunorix. However, if he was British, then his male line Germanic pedigree (divine or otherwise) is fictional.

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Gunn
11/11/2013 03:35:16 am

Settle down, skeptics. The demons you don't believe in are becoming increasing riled.

One can certainly slam God on a skeptic's blog, but not always without repercussions. This is not one-sided. Jason and others here reveal their emotional response to the concept of God. Again, God is a favorite target here. While some here have given themselves over to name-calling, how can anyone be so angry for being condemned by their own words to a Hell they don't believe in?

Evangelical truth has damned some of you; not that you cannot be un-damned. Get angry at the God you don't believe in. Lash out at Him for your miserable existence without Him, as though you don't have anything to do with it.

You bunch of hypocrites...you excuse Jason for constantly belittling God/Jesus, then get mad when someone calls him on it. I call this one-sided. Religion clashes with Jason's approach, just as politics do.

I touched some raw nerves. I didn't make them raw. It's the naturally rebellious spirit within you, rebelling against God. Jason will slam God. I will respond. It's a public blog. Go to church and someone will tell you that you are bound for Hell without accepting God's mercy. The story of redemption angers you. Like a wild ass, you don't want a bit in your mouth. You want to be brave here and attack the concept of God. You want to stand up and shout. You want to get emotional. You want me to get emotional. Forget it. As I point out some of God's Word to you, I am glad for any sparks of truth embedding within you. Angry Citizens, you are not yet lost. Be of good cheer. Join good ole Gunn in a day of good cheer, a day which the Lord has made.

Once again, Jason, thanks for the opportunity of speaking out from the Amen Corner. I don't know what I like to take about more...skeptics being saved from damnation, or stoneholes. (I admit a probably short-coming on this one.)

Peace, angry heretics. Put your emotions in check. It's only a discussion started by Jason, who delights in examining the various aspects of God in History. In you don't believe in something, why are some of you getting so hysterical about something you don't believe in? Hypocritical behavior? Classic. Only on Jason's Blog.

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Clint Knapp
11/11/2013 07:51:16 am

You fail to grasp the point, Bob. The point is not to "slam God" (and frankly, I've never seen Jason do such a thing). Announcing one's disbelief in any deity is not slandering that deity, it is only proclaiming one's own belief, or disbelief.

The point is simply that we tire of you decrying us all as heretics, unbelievers, and hell-bound sinners. Your constant hijacking of these comment threads to either push your KRS/stonehole related agenda or your religious beliefs is well documented. You seem to do it solely as a point to stir up an argument.

You have your own website you could spew all of these things on as much as you want and no one will argue with you- but again, the argument often seems to be your purpose rather than the message itself. All we're asking is that you learn to accept people do not have to conform to your beliefs and these accusations do not belong in this particular forum- which as we (and Jason) have pointed out many times is a comment thread for the blog post topics themselves.

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Gunn
11/11/2013 12:28:10 pm

Clint, you fail to grasp the point, not me, which is that Jason does purposely slam God. If you make of study of this, going back, you will see a sordid slamming taking place, on a near continuous basis. He mocks and ridicules the idea of God and creation, as most "scientific" skeptics must, I suppose. We have gone this course before.

Clint, I could easily say that Jason's attitude towards God and Christianity do not belong in this particular forum...which is my point. The same goes with his political opinions, which others have recently decried here. Wherever Jason points out the foolishness of believing in a literal God, or risen Jesus, I like to turn around and point out that he is, in fact, the fool...as you have proven yourself to be, also, Clint: a fool, defending a fool, by Biblical definition.

This public blog is not intended to be one-sided, and it's not intended to be an anti-God or liberal platform. Jason needs to keep some of his feelings to himself, or his blog will face the ensuring consequences...which is me being here, defending the other half of the world.

Jason Colavito link
11/11/2013 12:38:45 pm

Gunn, freedom of the press belongs to him that owns one. I own this website, so you don't get to say whose opinions "belong" here. This is not a public forum. It is MY forum, which I pay for with my own money. If you want something different, go back to your own website and host your own forum.

Gunn
11/11/2013 12:42:30 pm

Wrong, Jason, it YOUR forum, and also, then, the public's forum...unless you want to restrict freedom of speech after spewing forth your own sometimes biased information.

Your political views don't belong here, either, if they are so obviously biased.

Gunn
11/11/2013 12:44:28 pm

Jason, you pervert the purpose of your blog when you enter religion or politics is such a personal way. It's not necessary.

Jason Colavito link
11/11/2013 12:46:19 pm

You seem to mistake my relatively lenient policy of allowing anyone to comment with a legal right to use my forum for your own fun. I can and will delete your posts at will whenever I judge them to be abusive. You may take this as notice that you are no longer welcome to post when you are off topic.

Gunn
11/11/2013 12:48:17 pm

Okay, then, I'll wait for you to bring up the KRS again...I predict it won't be long.

Gunn
11/11/2013 12:51:35 pm

Okay, for the record, you yourself, Jason, can be off-topic, as concerns mocking God, etc., but then no one else can respond, or you may censor them? You introduce and treat a topic however you want, without consequences? How lovely. How do you do that, again?

Tell the people what you're afraid of.

Jason Colavito link
11/11/2013 12:55:54 pm

The only posts I have ever deleted have been spam ads from India and abusive, libelous posts. Yours, Gunn, are becoming abusive.

I own the blog, so by definition what I write is on (my) topic. Once again, you seem to be confusing my personal blog for the public square.

Gunn
11/11/2013 01:04:04 pm

So then, we see you are selective in who you want to attract and influence? Your pitch is to a certain crowd?

What if your pitch is actually on a public square? How did I first come here? I was invited by the internet, otherwise known as the public square. Unless you want to curtain freedom of speech, you cannot dictate what proper responses are to what others may see as intrusive personal attacks...religion and politics.

Times have changed, Ben. You don't own the press. You put the press out on the internet, and it goes live until you sensor it, as you now threaten. Again, what are you afraid of, losing control to God?

Gunn
11/11/2013 01:08:28 pm

I'll do you a favor. Good-bye for a while.

joris drie[inter
11/19/2013 11:06:58 am

Please Jason, ban Gunn already. I'm new to this site, but reading these comments... it looks like this has been going on for a long time. As someone rightfully said, Gunn can expound his apparently deep felt convictions on his own site. And the people who come here for YOUR blog aren't forced to read his rants threatening you and others with eternal damnation etc.

Thanks, Joris.

Jason Colavito link
11/19/2013 11:11:47 am

I wish I could do that easily, but unfortunately, the comments system lets people post with just an email address, so I'd have to manually delete every comment.

The Other J.
11/11/2013 06:22:45 am

Jason wrote: "The pharaohs did not consider themselves to be descendants of Horus but rather to be Horus (and, after death, Osiris); thus, anyone by being pharaoh, was the god."

Since I was old enough to get a handle on these things, I've generally thought that ancient people didn't read their myths literally, and even though they operated under their rules as if the myths had a kind of real historical content. Instead, ancient people who organized themselves around mythological structures understood those narratives were metaphors for social organization and function.

So can someone with some expertise in this area answer me this: Doesn't the fact that successive pharaohs claimed to be the very gods at the root of their culture -- and not descended from those gods -- point to that metaphoric-not-literal understanding? And if that's the case, how could we know if other ancient people read their mythologies literally, whether Greek, Judeo-Christian, Chinese, or whatever? And wouldn't that put any sort of ancient alien account into question? (As if that needed another qualifier.)

To be clear, I don't think this capacity for metaphoric reading is a quality of ancient minds; I think it's a quality of mythologically-based social structures, and it makes me skeptical of literal readings of ancient texts, whether that's looking for Close Encounters in a Mesopotamian myth or a literalist take on a religious passage.

One might counter that if people operated as if those myths were real, that means the historicity of the myths didn't make a difference. But if that were the case, then no one would accept the second pharaoh claiming to be Horus was actually Horus after the first pharaoh claiming to be Horus died. They understood it was a useful fiction.

There seems to be a knowing suspension of disbelief at play, which, if you think about it, we still do today all the time without much thought. If it weren't for a willing suspension of disbelief, paper currency couldn't buy you a beer.

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Liz H
3/18/2014 08:09:00 pm

I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm a nerd about this sort of thing. You're right, though: the claim to divinity is a useful fiction. Claiming to embody a god on Earth is a way to give legitimacy to your claim to rule, regardless of whether or not the guy before you did the exact same thing. People then start to buy into it and it becomes not serving an earthly king, but serving a divine power who has graced your humble realm with its awe-inspiring presence. But at the same time, they recognize that this is, in fact, a human being leading them. I guess it's a bit like the leader of your cult (to use the closest modern example I can think of, good or bad) claiming to be divine by birth/nature even though he is, in fact, a normal human being.

The way I understand myth in general is that it served as a device to explain why certain things happened (i.e. that earthquake that completely wiped out your entire village, or that massive thunderstorm which nearly torched everything within twenty miles) and became a comforting method for the people using them, and they took on a life of their own and developed into the larger religious structures of society. Originally, then, myths were metaphors, and people started using them for various purposes until we have so many versions our heads spin and family trees become aneurysms waiting to happen.

You bring up another thing which I think bears a closer look at: you say that you are skeptical of literalist readings of mythological texts (religious or otherwise), up to and including searching for aliens in them. I find this noteworthy because I see how it can be construed that the aliens these theorists are looking for in the texts are an interpretation of a metaphor. It's like sitting in a college English class passing around and discussing passages of, say, Paradise Lost. You could (within reason) see a given passage in nearly any light you chose. In this case these theorists choose the light which reveals aliens around every corner. This is neither good or bad. I just found it noteworthy and worth discussing, is all.

Willing suspension of disbelief doesn't just allow for the use of paper currency. It allows for credit cards, as well. ;)

Fascinating post, and as I said, I nerd out over this sort of thing.

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Only Me
11/11/2013 04:06:04 pm

Wow.

I take a break from the blog and after catching up, I'm somewhat stunned. While I've said it before that this forum belongs to Jason, I didn't expect things to escalate to the point that he had to step in. I left the following comment to Gunn on another post:

"I really don't want things to spiral to the point that you feel persecuted or that anyone feels you should be removed."

I know from past blogs he could push the envelope pretty far, but this is different. Jason, Varika, Clint and Jim...I don't speak for Gunn, he doesn't speak for me, and neither of us speak for other fellow Christians. I hope one bad experience doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste toward those of us who have faith and are not bothered by your differing opinions.

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Clint Knapp
11/11/2013 04:36:27 pm

Not to worry, Only. I really have nothing against anyone or their beliefs, and I've tried to ignore Gunn posts altogether because I don't like getting in off-topic arguments.

Jason's the only one with moderation rights to this blog, and frankly I always feel like I'm overstepping a guest's privileges to even attempt talking Gunn down from the rampant attacks, but it becomes uncomfortable after a while to not say anything. As though by remaining silent when he's making wild accusations and condemning Jason and others to hell for disagreeing is a form of approval of his methods.

I grew up Christian, and most of my family and many of my friends still are. That I made a personal choice later in life not to subscribe to that system anymore is my own business, but I won't begrudge anyone else their faith because of it and understand well the varying degrees and denominations by which one might call themselves Christian.

It is unfortunate it plays out like this time and time again, and I've tried to convey that I'm not trying to launch attacks toward him or anyone else for their beliefs. I just think it's a shame when anyone has to use their beliefs as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with them. Particularly when Jason puts so much time and consideration into this blog and generally leaves the comment threads wide open to allow further discussion- which often proves just as thought-provoking as the blog itself when baseless attacks are left out of the equation.

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Shane Sullivan
11/11/2013 05:54:42 pm

I, for one, am grateful that he ignored (or missed) my response to him the other day, or else I would be a confused, Hell-bound fool as well. =P

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Jason Colavito link
11/12/2013 06:37:45 am

I would never presume that an individual's behavior was indicative of an entire group. Don't worry about it.

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Varika
11/12/2013 09:36:59 am

While Gunn and those like him--and I have met many--have played a role in my decision to not convert to Christianity, I have never particularly had a problem with other people being Christians, or even with discussing belief systems. Honestly, I'm generally even nice to the Witnesses who show up on my doorstep like clockwork, as long as they're nice to me first. But I can't deny that Gunn's treatment recently has left me feeling very hurt and upset--and definitely persecuted. It does help, though, to see others who identify as Christians distance themselves from that behavior, so thank you, Only Me.

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Jalopenohead
1/16/2015 06:53:19 pm

This Gunn fellow knows nothing of being a Christian. He's probably new to it. Christ didn't die so people like him could judge another. He is in fact a hypocrite if anything. Take it from a cradle to the grave Roman Catholic (with ancient alien blue blood lines) that he's not reading the new testament.

Gunn link
11/14/2013 05:09:47 am

Only Me, you're a trouble maker. I caught you in error before, and you apologized and cleaned it up, and I graciously forgave you. I caught you in another error, not understanding what Jason was saying about Satan's power, confusing what I was saying with what he was saying, and you neglected to clean it up. Rather, you came in as a luke-warm Christian, saying this blog is no place for evangelism. Double shame on you. (The scenes will be replayed for you one day, unless you ask for forgiveness. You know the rules, buddy.)

By the way, I think my stoneholes find may be related to the 1800's Sioux Uprising, representing footings for a trading post or military outpost. This based on a stonehole image found online at an old MA quarry.

Yes, this blog is part of the public square. Jason has complete control of it only if he chooses to censor, which is absurd in a free society, especially if he thinks he can give opinions without recourse. That means he's interested in a one-sided debate, where what he says is supremely important. He thinks he can attack God with impunity, or without someone like me saying something about it. Wrong--unless he chooses to censor.

Jason, you are a sad figure for free speech. Now folks see better where you're coming from. You get to spew forth ridicule towards God and Christians, and then quickly draw the curtains shut afterwards. Then you have "lukewarm Christians" backing you up. Perfect. Except that you and your fool-friends are still Hell-bound.

At least Varika is sensitive about that, as she should be.

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Only Me
11/14/2013 12:28:16 pm

Ah, yes, that's me; the rebellious son instead of the prodigal one. Let's examine this latest diatribe, shall we?

1) Yes, I made a previous mistake, for which I apologized. You *say* I was forgiven, so why mention it again? Unless you didn't really forgive me, in which case, you failed to practice a tenet of the Christian faith. Seems the shame is on you.

2) I gave a rather clarifying response to you on the second "error", but it's apparent you either didn't read it or chose to ignore it. Either way, it's your problem, not mine.

3) Yep. I do say this is not the blog for evangelism, because, psst!, hey!....IT DOES NOT BELONG TO ANYONE BUT JASON. What makes you so thick you can't grasp this pertinent fact?

4) Ask forgiveness? For what? For pointing out that you're being offensive and aggressive just to start a pointless hate-fest with those who don't share your interpretation of Christianity...among other topics? Sorry, but I won't change who I am, in exchange for civil discourse with you.

5) I'm a "lukewarm Christian", huh? Yep, that's what it feels like when you bask in the warmth of our Creator's love and light. I would advise you to step away from the edge, however....I hear the fires of Hell are mighty hot.

Go back to your stone holes. At least in the countryside, no is harmed by your mad ramblings.

Gunn
11/14/2013 02:14:40 pm

Only Me, caps no longer work for Varika...overworked. The boy crying wolf. Your caps don't help either, to express your erroneous view that this blog belongs to Jason. You are failing to understand that when this blog is "live" it represents a segment of the public square. For example, many have come here as a result of googling America Unearthed. There was no censorship towards anyone responding to the google information to go to a particular stump, that is, to this blog. Therefore, anyone seeking information about America Unearthed may end up here on Jason's stump, hearing him blister against his Maker. At this point, anyone directed here by the internet is partaking of the public square, with Jason standing on a stump...right, over in a dark corner, slamming Jesus. Anyone is perfectly welcome to disagree with Jason about doing this as long as he keeps "his" public blog open.

The problem is when Jason wants to be mean to God, and then becomes irritated when someone like me backs him down to his doggy bowl. It's like being willing to cast stones, but not having to dodge any. This is where you're getting your luke-warmness from, Only Me. You are backing a fool by Biblical description, so what does that make you? You are backing someone who tried to minimize the Devil's power, then you tried to twist it around on me. Go back and see your error. Apparently, you still have not caught it. The problem is that you can't seem to follow things right, except when it comes to sticking up for your devilish, Hell-bound buddy. (Right, by their fruits shall you know them.) You have joined yourself at the hip with an un-Godly skeptic and spit on an evangelizing Christian. Jason does not own this blog, God does. He owns Jason's next breath, and yours, too, along with mine. Don't be a fool's fool, Only Me. Mad ramblings? May God be the judge. I welcome His input on this public blog, His blog, and its participants.

Only Me
11/14/2013 03:28:20 pm

Yes, I see now that with or without caps, your comprehension is hamstrung. Now, let's play a little game.

Who's name is on this site? Jason's. Who's money pays for the site? Jason's. Who puts the time and effort into the articles and research that compose this site? Jason. Who pays for the Forum? Jason. Who allows anyone to come here and stay, as long as they abide by a set of simple rules? Jason. Therefore, who gets to make the decisions that affect this site? Jason. This site is no more public, by virtue of its existence on the internet, than his house, because it happens to be located in a neighborhood. By your logic, I demand that you create a forum on your website, to discuss the KRS, stone holes and religion because it can be found through an internet search, too. After all, it doesn't belong to you. Has it sunk in yet, or are you choosing to be painfully obtuse?

No, I can't catch an error I didn't make. Apparently, you haven't caught your own error. There are thousands of comments left on every topic throughout this site. Yours are the only ones that accuse Jason of anti-Christian/God bigotry. I know, I've been rereading older posts out of boredom.

Alas, I know I've wasted my time. Gunn simply *must* be right, and all others wrong, no matter what. Unfortunately, you don't even have the innocent rural charm of a mooncalf. Just...go away and stop hating for hate's sake.

Gunn
11/15/2013 05:41:43 am

You don't use good logic at times, Only Me. Are you Jason?

Only Me
11/15/2013 05:04:41 pm

No, Gunn, I'm not Jason. The difference in our writing styles should tell you that.

What I am, is a retired 20 year veteran. I joined the military because I believed that was what God wanted me to do. It's why I have no problem butting heads with anyone. I spent a good part of my life preserving freedom of speech and the unalienable rights protected by the Constitution for all Americans.

This is why I find your logic hypocritical. You assume that Jason will enact censorship towards those who disagree with him, and that assumption forms your opinion that he is a "sad figure for free speech". Yet, you say that his opinions on religion and politics do not belong on this blog, on your say so, simply because you disagree with them. And this is not censorship?

I now see the problem. You come here to be mean to Jason and others, and then you become irritated when someone like me backs *you* down to *your* doggy bowl. Like you, I call it as I see it. You're a hypocrite, dishonest and suffering from a persecution complex. Until you can get your head screwed on right, don't talk to me anymore.

Gunn
11/16/2013 05:00:12 am

Why are you still talking? I thought I was through several comments ago, but you can't seem to shut up. Maybe you don't know, either, that Jason has censored a response I had in in the past, and several times threatened to do so, usually when I was making some kind of successful point to someone. The problem I have with you, repeatedly, is that you don't follow the comments on the blog correctly. That's why you felt you had to apologize before...because you were temporarily incapable of following the dialogue. You did it again over the matter of the Devil's power, attributing to me an idea I didn't foster. How can I deal with someone who has been my harshest critic so far on this blog, yet can't follow what's going on? I'll try to be patient with you as you tediously go back and find the spot you went wrong in erroneously twisting things around again. Challenge yourself to get it right...again. Then after you find out, again, that you misrepresented me, I'll accept your sorry apology. I expect you'll be on a guilt trip pretty soon, but do me a favor and keep it to yourself this time, unless you intend to change.

I hope you and others now realize that this blog is in the "live" public square. Who owns the public square? What a bunch of dummies on this site. Go ahead and line up and keep responding with your dumb, public notions of a world without God. Only Me, you are a disturbed person. I am confident of God's mercy, as love covers a multitude of sins. You twisted my evangelism from love to hatred, and one day we shall know why. Hell is part of the message. Satan is part of the message. You, Mr. Lukewarm, want to diminish the power of the enemy on this blog, along with Jason. Why?

As I've said, you've been my worst attacker, when you were supposed to be my brother. Go back and see the error of your ways. If you are sincere, I will forgive you again. How many times? As many times as it takes for you to wise-up. This is my last post to you, unless and until you finally see the error of your misguided ways. You've had a "bad spirit" towards me right from the start.

Clint Knapp
11/16/2013 05:39:33 am

Boy am I glad I happened to scroll far enough down the front page to see this rant resumed... Look, obviously Gunn has some issues with understanding the nature of the internet and what constitutes "public" and "private", so I'm just going to skip over all that rambling about who's the good and proper Christian and cut to the heart of the matter using Gunn's own analogy in the hopes this will help him understand:

Yes, you could consider Internet a "public square" to a degree. It's open, there are lots of people all over it, some dogs are pooping in the flowerboxes and there's probably a mime somewhere pretending he's in a box. However, "the Internet" is not one entity owned by everyone and no one. There might be a few public stalls here and there with some free bric-a-brac, but mostly it is a means to get from one place to another. The only portions of this public square that can be said to be truly in the public domain are the .gov sites that taxpayer dollars maintain- just like they do that public square.

Literally every other server, usually hosting more than one website, is privately owned and operated. These would be the buildings surrounding the public square. Privately owned buildings, usually leased out to one or more paying customers to set up their own shops and services in; websites hosted on servers CONNECTED to the Internet.

What we have here is not a free-speech platform in the middle of the public square. It is one of those shops surrounding the square; the building is owned by someone other than Jason, but he pays rent on a room in it to use for his personal expression, to sell a few books, and to invite others to join in discussions of the same topics. Across the square there might be a Bible study class more open to someone walking in and ranting about how hell-bound they all are for not reading a passage in the same manner, but that is not this place.

At any rate, the public square isn't even a good analogy for what the Internet is since it would indicate that there are truly public locations where anyone can do anything and no police to stop them from molesting passersby, digging up the yard, and building statues to themselves and their gods. It's exactly what the colloquial term for it has always been: "The Information Superhighway" a means to get from one place to another, not a destination in and of itself.

Entering any website means you have given that site permission to display its message, and participating in anything resembling an open forum or comment thread on said website means you are- registration enforced or not- agreeing to subject the things you say to the moderation will of the person or persons who pay for the space you are using up.

And make no mistake, every comment on this site is being paid for by Jason, because every single character contributes to the overall size of the files stored in the limited space he's paying for on the server. Back to our core analogy; you walked into a room in a building off the side of the public square, saw walls covered in orderly papers, and then began littering religious tracts all over the floor in the hopes someone would trip on them and find your version of God.

Only Me
11/16/2013 11:04:00 am

Who cares, Gunn? Since you are purposely rude on this blog, really, who cares about your input at all? Nice one day, rude the next. Explain yourself, please. Are you an over-inflated person at times, prone to rudeness? What pressure are you and why? Examine yourself, please, and give us a report. What makes you tick, and why do you feel a need to be rude at someone else's expense? Just having fun?

I asked certain people you attacked not to take the experience as indicative of all Christians, to which they graciously responded. Then, you singled me out, after saying you were leaving for the umpteenth time. I responded, and now you claim you were through with me? Apparently not. No, I will not shut up, Mr. Its-not-censorship-when-I-want-someone-else-to-be-silent. You don't get to dictate rules, then exempt yourself from them.

Marzulli and Woodward, et al, can make fantastic claims about Christian texts. Another commenter can say, quote, "I hate to spoil the party, But if Americans are Gods chosen people, then Gods chosen people are relatively naive and stupid......for believing they are Gods chosen people of course...............Ha!", unquote. Where is your righteous indignation for them? Oh, right, only Jason is the bigot.

Wrong. You stated three times, "in a way I see you perhaps serving God unknowingly", "again I see you maybe helping God out without knowing it" and "Jason, you are on the side of Christians this time, helping to dispel errant thoughts and illusions designed by the Evil One." So much for that continuous anti-God/Christian angle. A commenter even posted, "Jason/readers
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Hello. I am a Christian, and I just wanted to say that I don't see your blog as anti-God. Furthermore, I appreciate your fact-based approach to the subjects you discuss and honest, logical thought in general.

Gunn is entitled to his opinion, and I appreciate his service- truly. But he doesn't speak for me, my mentality, or my worldview. Nor those of any of my (Christian or not) friends." But, not a peep from you then.

You say Jason is a "sad figure for free speech", yet, you've said before, "Steve says, of Christopher: 'You're part of a generally nasty bunch of rude assholes.' Jason properly let this slide, in the name of free speech, which Christopher knows doesn't come free." Yes, he's deleted your comments before. He said as much with this, "Please note that I have removed a lengthy, off-topic comment thread that was primarily personal attacks." This was necessary due to your words toward Tara Jordan and Varika. Remember when you told Tara "I came back to catch you being a feminist blog rat; also your partner...You are hereby deemed a blog rat, smelled out by Gunn is Great." on a following blog post? After Jason deleted the thread, you had the gall to respond with "Good call.", as if your weren't the main party responsible.

Yes, I've attacked you, I've never denied it. I even gave the following reason, "At last, Gunn, you finally figured it out. I have, indeed, hounded and attacked you....just to prove a point. You needed a taste of your own vile medicine."

I'm your worst critic? I guess Keith, Isaac, Christopher Randolph, Tara, Varika and the Other J. don't count? At least I didn't say you were "joined at the hip" with Steven St. Clair, when you came to his side in every argument he had with others here, like you've done to me. So, you can aid and defend Steve, but I can't do the same for Jason? What about when I stood up to Lynn Brant for calling you a "Truther", impossible to reason with, etc.? Right, that didn't count, got it.

You're the kid who prefers to be alone in left field, entertaining your fantasies. I'll leave you to it.

Dan D
11/12/2013 08:07:14 am

"I'll do you a favor. Good-bye for a while."

Disappointed.........about the for a while part.....

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Bill
11/12/2013 11:40:44 pm

Gunn is not representative of all Christians or even all Evangelical Christians. He is so convinced he is right he doesn't even realize he is in the minority.

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BP
11/13/2013 05:43:59 am

Having to do with Ancient Aliens (but not the episode discussed here...
I was able to watch "The Mystery of Puma Punku" from Season 4 while visiting my father, an archaeologist and anthropologist. Very amusing to hear his comments throughout the show. Though I knew it was all bunk, it was fun to hear him take it apart practically sentence by sentence. Not that his take on things would stop true believers.

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Harold Pogar
11/14/2013 04:19:55 am

I remember in the 60's Abu Simbel was taken apart and 're assembled on higher ground to preserve it from the location being flooded by construction of the High Aswan dam. Any sunlight movements into it now are not relevant as it is not in it's original location.

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Sekhmet
8/14/2015 11:56:54 am

Actually, when they reassembled Abu Simbel, they made sure that the light lines were the same as what they were at its original building location.

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Rengade Havoc
11/18/2013 01:07:46 am

"The Yellow Emperor of China, Huangdi (or Huangti), is claimed to be a civilizing alien."

AA obviously used the wrong references here, mixing up the Yellow Emperor with The King In Yellow. OMFG, ANCIENT ALIENS WORSHIP THE ELDER GODS!!!

IA IA CTHULHU!!!

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gabriel darke link
8/22/2014 09:30:53 am

Gunn should be 'gunning' for the AATs who've been perverting religion to serve their ends all along, while protesting, tongue well into cheek, they're not. Thank you, Jason, for keeping things straight.

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