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Review of Ancient Aliens S11E08 "The Mysterious Nine"

7/8/2016

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At one point or another, the producers of Ancient Aliens changed the show in a subtle but important way. The early seasons of the program, while nutty, badly researched, and occasionally fraudulent, maintained at least a token respect for the viewers it supposedly existed to entertain. At some point the producers started treating the audience as a collection of idiots, 1.1 million of whom will show up no matter what the program tells them. Maybe it started around the time that the show actively encouraged Satan worship and then realized that no one objected. Maybe it was around the time that they started assembling whole episodes out of recycled content from past episodes and realized that it made no difference to their ratings. 
​It would hardly surprise me at this point if the producers weren’t actively contemptuous of their audience. How else to explain an entire hour devoted to an obvious fiction masquerading as fact? Putatively, Ancient Aliens S11E08 “The Mysterious Nine” is about the recurrence of groups of nine beings in mythology. Sure, there have been past episodes devoted to numbers—“The Power of Three” comes to mind—but this episode is different because it is based on science fiction. Literally.
 
In honor of this, I’m going to review this episode a little differently from previous ones. I’m going to take issue with the entire foundation for the episode before I discuss the specific content of the show.
 
As I discussed last November—perhaps not coincidentally right before this season of Ancient Aliens went into production—I discussed how the fringe claim of the secret council of Nine Unknown Men was a fraud, one derived from a 1923 adventure novel by Talbot Mundy called The Nine Unknown. Mundy described the organization as being global in scope and in control of world finances. It was made up, he said, of “Nine individuals, each independent, collectively forming a self-perpetuating board—each known to all the other eight but to no other individual on earth—not known, that is to say, to any other person in the world as being a member of the Nine.”
 
The story, in its modern form—not entirely found in Mundy—goes that the Indian emperor Ashoka (reigned c. 268-232 BCE) tried to protect humanity from forbidden knowledge by banning the study of science and charging nine individuals with guarding these nine books of occult lore.
 
As I reported at the time, the French fringe writers Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels used Mundy’s novel to imagine a conspiracy of nine guardians of forbidden wisdom in their book Morning of the Magicians, and they did not hide the fact that they borrowed the concept from Mundy. Indeed, they explicitly state on page 36 of the 1963 English translation that the claim was first published in Mundy’s novella, but they identify the story as “half fiction, half scientific inquiry.” This material was freely mixed with nineteenth century French occult writings and Theosophical texts, none of which mentioned the Nine Unknowns, but which fringe writers have long misunderstood (through failure to check sources) as “confirming” the existence of the cult. Anton LeVey dedicated the Satanic Bible to these imaginary characters, probably from Pauwels sand Bergier. Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince carried the myth into the modern era with their Stargate Conspiracy (2001), where they acknowledged Mundy only in a footnote.
 
Picknett and Prince were among the authors who connected the Nine Unknown secret society fiction to psychical researcher Andrija Puharich’s claim to be in contact with the nine Egyptian gods of Heliopolis known as the Ennead. This group of nine gods is thought to have originated in the Fourth Dynasty and been formalized in the Fifth. However, the Ennead was not consistent in Egyptian religion, being a different grouping of gods worshiped for a time at one cult center or another, and in different numbers—from seven at Abydos to fifteen at Thebes. Heliopolis had nine and was the model for the other groupings. The coincidence of number became important for nineteenth and twentieth century occultists because it matched the number of astrological planets (the seven non-Earth planets and the sun and moon) known in the nineteenth century. (The ancients recognized only seven, being unaware of Uranus and Neptune.) This connection allowed Picknett and Prince to develop their analysis of the imaginary Council of Nine, a group of aliens who ruled the world. They saw “connections” to the occurrence of the number nine anywhere in occult literature, particularly the numerology of the anti-Semitic occultist Schwaller de Lubicz, who devoted much of his energy to occult beliefs about Egypt.
 
Picknett and Prince didn’t invent the Council of Nine, of course. They were examining its use by earlier fringe writers, particularly in the Theosophical and New Age arenas. We see it in Robert Shapiro’s “Explorer Race” series of channeled texts, for example, and it appears, too, in the work of Israeli spirit-channeling author Phyllis Virtue Schlemmer, who claimed to be in communion with Tom. This entity, in 1974, revealed himself to be the head of the Council of Nine and a version of the Heliopolitan creator god Atum. According to Picknett and Prince, a whole group of self-deluded pseudo-psychics spent the 1950s to the 1970s channeling members of the Nine, apparently under the influence of Schwaller de Lubitz’s Egyptomania and numerology. Allegedly Puharich was the first to contact the Nine, and the Egyptian cast to the proceedings suggests that the Ennead is the source for the entities’ number.
 
By the end of Puharich’s involvement with the Nine, the Nine were into all the big fringe archaeology of the 1970s—ancient astronauts, Egyptian mysteries, Martian ruins, Atlantis. They were very much a product of their time, which is a bit odd for timeless cosmic beings who might be expected to have information and ideas not known to 1970s fringe writers. According to the channeled words of the god Ra, the Council ordered the building of the Great Pyramid, which Ra undertook himself. That means that ancient astronaut theorists are shooting themselves in the foot by denying first hand testimony from the aliens themselves!
 
Fun facts: Andrijah Puharich discovered Yuri Geller and brought him to America. His encounter with the Council of Nine—channeling them while they talked of coming from Sirius—was a huge influence on Arthur M. Young, a true believer present at the channeling who was also the mentor to Robert Temple. Temple, in turn, drew on the developing New Age mysticism of the Nine to create the Sirius Mystery. 

OK, so let us see what this episode was all about...
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Segment 1
We open with elderly Canadian ex-official Paul Hellyer’s allegation that aliens have been visiting the Earth for thousands of years. The 91-year-old had no government-backed knowledge of aliens. Instead, he admitted to learning “the truth” about aliens from a Peter Jennings ABC documentary that aired three decades or so after he left office. Ancient Aliens conveniently leaves that out. Then we discuss Puharich’s channeling of the Nine. The show presents him as a serious scientist, though his research has long been called into question, particularly due to the fact that Yuri Geller fooled him with a parlor trick so simple that I can perform that trick—and used to impress my college classmates, who weren’t really that bright, with my “psychic” skills. I could also make objects seem to move on their own. Anyway, Lynne Picknett appears on the show to plug The Stargate Conspiracy but doesn’t discuss the CIA conspiracy she thinks is really behind the ancient astronaut theory.
 
After this we visit Heliopolis and hear about the Ennead, which is a Greek term that the show doesn’t seem to realize isn’t the Egyptian name for the gods. Ramy Romany, the show’s pet Egyptologist, happily discusses the Egyptian creation myth and surrenders his credibility by inches in exchange for screen time. Kathleen McGowan Coppens, wife of Stargate Conspiracy researcher Philip Coppens, also shows up to mouth some words about aliens that are at odds with Philip Coppens’s published views on the Stargate Conspiracy material. But why not? This is Ancient Aliens: The talking heads will say anything for the payday that screen time promises.

I would be remiss if I did not note that Hillary Clinton, who went on the record with her belief that alien abductions have some sort of basis in fact, is advertising on Ancient Aliens during its first commercial break. Apparently UFO believers are now a constituency, just as Erich von Däniken predicted forty years ago.

Segment 2
The second segment looks at other instances of the number nine in myth. It starts with the Southeast Asian Chinese diaspora holiday of the Nine Emperor-Gods Festival, in which the gods take their number from the fact that it is celebrated during the ninth lunar month and lasts nine days. The show compares this to the Aztecs’ nine Lords of the Night, the nine gods who survive Ragnorak, and Ashoka’s Nine Unknown Men, which they pass off as a fact instead of a piece of century-old fiction. Less clearly, they claim that the Etruscans had nine gods of fate (presumably they are referring to the obscure Roman Novensiles, perhaps of Etruscan origin, or to Pliny’s account in Natural History 2.52 of the nine Etruscan lightning gods) and the Zeus had a council of nine gods. There was no formal council of nine gods, and the number of Greek gods running things is rarely nine exactly. I can’t recall any specific instance of nine gods sitting in council in Greek myth, but the claim does appear in a Transcendentalist text of the 1800s imagining Prometheus speaking to the nine top gods.
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Segment 3
The third segment tries to pass off a picture of space debris in a NASA photograph as the Black Knight Satellite, a modern myth of an ancient extraterrestrial satellite. The show claims that the satellite was first spotted in 1954, but that satellite was supposedly “large, silvery, [and] disc shaped,” not columnar and black as the Black Knight is usually described as. The 1954 satellite was clearly intended as a projection of the usual flying saucer description of its era. The Black Knight Satellite myth was invented in 1974 by Scottish researcher Duncan Lunan, who claimed that radio signals indicated that the object was a 13,000-year-old satellite. He then retracted his conclusion and admitted to have made critical errors in his research. What does this have to do with the Nine? Nothing, really. The show just spliced this in because it ran out of nines.
 
In fact, the show pretty much gives up on the whole “nine” thing and seems to become a completely different episode after this segment. Frankly, I thought for a while that the control room messed up and cued up a different episode.
 
After this, the show describes the Apocalypse of Baruch (3 Baruch), which Giorgio Tsoukalos describes as a powerful account of a satellite with solar panels. The text, from chapter 6 reads thus: “And I said to the angel, What is this bird? And he said to me, This is the guardian of the earth. And I said, Lord, how is he the guardian of the earth? Teach me. And the angel said to me, This bird flies alongside of the sun, and expanding his wings receives its fiery rays. For if he were not receiving them, the human race would not be preserved, nor any other living creature.” (The name of the translator is not specified.) The clear implication is that the bird is stopping the sun’s damaging heat from burning the Earth. 
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Segment 4
The timeworn tale of Frank E. Stranges and the alien called Valiant Thor, a Venusian space brother, is rehearsed, but the story is no more credible here than it was in the 1950s. A bland male Caucasian space alien from Venus (!) worked for the U.S. government (!!) for the three years because the Galactic Council was worried about our nuclear bombs. It’s yet another of the “benevolent Aryan space brother” silliness of it era, and even Nick Redfern recognizes that the story is remarkably similar to The Day the Earth Stood Still. Space aliens of the time were envisioned as super Aryans. The guy’s name was Valiant Thor for crying out loud. Could you get more Nordic? Some photos of a standard-issue white man are said to be of Thor, strange visitor from another world, and some dotty folk—Hellyer and Dwight Eisenhower’s New Age believer great-granddaughter—supposedly provide evidence that the alien was real. Neither of them had any direct evidence, and both long ago let ufology overcome their reason.
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Segment 5
In the fifth segment we return to Puharich and his channeled Nine. The show claims that various luminaries met with Puharich to commune with the Nine. One of these was said to be Gene Roddenberry, and the show claims that Star Trek was partially the work of space aliens, who delivered science fiction ideas, including the Federation, from space. The aliens sure have a lot of time on their hands if they can dictate scripts, and it’s also pretty sad if the idea of the Federation had to come from space, since the Earth has the Commonwealth, the United Nations, and other leagues. I know that Roddenberry did meet with Puharich in the 1970s, but I’m not able to find a reliable reference to the men meeting earlier.
 
Only a couple of weeks ago, in episode S11E05 “The Visionaries,” the show admitted that it really just wants to geek out over Star Trek, with the nerdy talking heads alleging the Gene Roddenberry was purposely preparing America for UFO disclosure through Star Trek. Now Hellyer tells us that Star Trek’s Federation “is real” (but in space), and that the Prime Directive came from the Nine as well. This is cute, but Gene Roddenberry didn’t invent the Prime Directive; Gene L. Coon and Theodore Sturgeon are variously credited with that concept, and they weren’t under the (known) tutelage of space aliens. The same directive appears in Olaf Stapledon's 1937 novel Star Maker decades before Puharich met the Nine. A highly publicized re-release of the novel had occurred in 1965, two years before the Prime Directive made its TV debut.
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​Segment 6
The final segment throws up its hands and asks whether a Council of Nine really exists, and if we can ever know. Gee, and I thought that was why this hour existed. Weren’t they supposed to figure that out? 
48 Comments
Only Me
7/8/2016 10:26:39 pm

I guess the Nine really like Westerns. Gene Roddenberry wrote many episodes for popular Western TV shows, and his original pitch for Star Trek was "Wagon Train among the stars."

As to the Black Knight, it's funny how an alien satellite so closely resembles a chunk of insulation floating in space...

"At some point the producers started treating the audience as a collection of idiots, 1.1 million of whom will show up no matter what the program tells them."

Pretty self-explanatory, I think.

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orang
7/9/2016 12:27:39 pm

I've read that the Black Knight is a big heat shield from a satellite launch. It must be a big piece of fabric that has crumpled up somewhat. I never knew that any satellite stage had or needed such a thing.

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V
7/9/2016 08:53:03 pm

Thermal blanket lost during a space shuttle EVA, actually. And yes, the space shuttle crew used those things for everything, including their own naps, because they can stow very small and yet are quite toasty when you're in one as well as reflecting heat away from delicate equipment fairly well.

Clete
7/9/2016 01:45:02 pm

I can see it, Wagon Train to the Stars. Ward Bond as the Spock Character and John Wayne playing Captain Kirk. "Let's all go into space, pilgrim."

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Panpsychist
7/10/2016 12:20:37 am

Thermal blankets don't send off radio signal and go around Earth on intelligent orbits you retard! You'll fell got such obvious disinformation! The council of nine channellings contain solid info verified by many other sources ! Seems you are just a dumb fuck who can't research !

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Only Me
7/10/2016 12:50:50 am

You are correct, good job. Congratulations. May the world ever bask in your brilliance. Bravo. Such a thoughtful, articulate argument. Incredibly well done. Much better than I expected. 10/10 -IGN. You came, you saw, you conquered. Have a cookie; no, two cookies.

Grim
7/10/2016 06:05:41 am

What an idiot. Typical imbecile that believes this made up crap.

Robber
7/10/2016 07:23:48 pm

Any object caught in earths gravity will go around it in intelligent orbits, methinks.

DaveR
7/11/2016 02:01:12 pm

"You'll fell got such obvious disinformation!"

Please write this correctly so I can understand what point you're attempting to make, thanks.

Harte
7/15/2016 07:56:05 pm

You'll fell got such obvious disinformation!
Barry Fell was in this episode?

Raymond Howard
3/18/2017 01:43:29 pm

Sorry folks, it's all wrong being the disinformation starting with Gene Roddenberry himself. Facts are the inception of Star Trek occurred in February 1964, which a month later on March 11th, he submitted to CBS, the treatment that became the program. As is per a conversation we had, in Redlands, Ca., him as an adult, me as a child of near eight, in two months, I provided him the quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hitch your wagon to a star.", over the fact of talking about his stint up til then since being an LAPD cop, writing westerns and of course at the very time for his background experience, let alone father having been a police officer, the Lieutenant.

The prime directive was from me, being the discourse at the time on my part, him being a vet for the Air Corps, a Medal of Honor recipient... my mother a former BDM Fuehrerin whom lived in Schweinfurt, Germany during the air bombings there, her father a SKF foreman, their Kugelwerks... suggesting that since wars are fought, and the Sci Fi, is mainly over aliens taking over the world, much like Nazi's per the propaganda... isn't it about time another tack be taken? Gene of course didn't fly any air raids over Schweinfurt, but was in the Pacific his stint there, still in what way are you going to deal with a former enemy after battles when to the victor goes the spoils of war? Commerce.... "Enterprise". Yes, I know about his intent of the original characters to Horatio Hornblower in Space, Captain Pike, or otherwise April, but he opted on mine when Jeff Hunter backed out with other characters their cover stories. Klingon's? Gee, weren't you all getting tired in my generation with those lousy Germans, when we were full swing the space race with Soviets? As is, my father looked at Communism, and the Soviet dilemma as simply clinging on. Never heard of me before? Try six degrees separation between Elie Wiesel, Rabbi Marvin Hier and me and ask the questions why? Make up your own answer, being again, you never heard of me.... also, did you know from any of Gene Roddenberry's biographies that his mother was Jewish, aside his father being a Baptist? Or... that his first wife Eileen, that he admired her when she sang at the bar next to a piano, and that he wanted in his admiration to treat her to Champaign and Caviar? If in doubt ask that information from his surviving daughter, Dawn. Doubt Rod, his son from his union with Majel necessarily knows about that even from his father, but I do given our discourse in February 1964.

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DigDug
7/9/2016 01:02:51 am

The last segment, all of the standard kooks put forth the premise that the aliens were sitting back, unable to interact with us due to the prime directive.

Doesn't this contradict the main theme that the aliens intervened in and accelerated human civilization? Normally they conclude we had alien pyramid builders, stone lifting rayguns, spaceman akhnaten and mayan astronauts.

Which is it? You can't have both!!

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Killbuck
7/9/2016 02:07:02 am

Never let a fatal logic contradiction get in the way of a good story.

Dang, after all these seasons and alien interventions into what now adds up to every culture, society, civilization and tribe of humanity's past... these aliens must be major screw ups. They'd best leave us alone.

As Childress always starts every sentence... " You have to wonder."

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John
7/9/2016 08:51:58 am

Ah yes. A prime example of pseudoscientist idiots engaging in doublethink. And they don't care if they do. Why? Because of the money Lebowski!!!

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Killbuck
7/9/2016 11:03:26 pm

The Dude abides

Clint Knapp
7/9/2016 07:51:36 am

I know the producers and writers of this nonsense don't really think about stuff that might have served to provide a better platform for their lunacy, but I can't help but think it would have been more advantageous to base the whole argument on Aleister Crowley's "The Lost Continent" (http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib51.html).

Instead of Nine Unknown Men, we get Seven Heirs of Atlantis - seven being a number that plays more readily with a Western audience presumably more familiar with Biblical sources than Egyptian.

In the preamble alone, Crowley describes essentially the same thing (which makes me wonder if this is somewhat the basis for Mundy's idea): at any given time there are seven people privy to the secrets of Atlantis and all the power that goes with that knowledge, each only possessing one seventh of that knowledge. The character of Crowley (in the 1913 Confessions he acknowledges it as a novel, so we must assume all the fictional trappings of that label) inherits his seventh of this wisdom from an old member of the Seven Heirs of Atlantis who sees fit to die to "join Them in Venus".

Drop in the fact AA already covered the whole LAM drawing as an honest portrait of an alien and you have a much more coherent episode at least based somewhat on a writing by a figure the fringe audience is more familiar with - and in many cases more willing to accept as a true keeper of occult wisdom.

By the transitive properties of fringedom they could neatly connect all the Atlantis babble to aliens from Venus controlling the secrets of the universe through Seven Heirs, and still manage to come off sounding less scatterbrained than this episode.

As a novel, or more appropriately a short story, it's a hideous bit of writing full of weird utopian racism, but I will never cease to be amazed that it never comes up in the modern fringe movement. It's a goldmine of whackadoodle ideas just waiting to be stripped, dynamited, and touted as The One Truth of All by an entrepreneurial fringe Truth Seeker.

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Shane Sullivan
7/9/2016 12:45:07 pm

" ... it's a hideous bit of writing full of weird utopian racism, ... "

Not to mention the woefully inadvisable sleeping habits! Aside from the racism and slavery, that's what sticks out in my memory. Half an hour of sleep, four times a day... That's just not restful!

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Ken
7/9/2016 09:36:08 am

According to South Park, the Council of Nine who rule Imaginationland includes Aslan the Lion, Jesus Christ, Gandalf, Glinda the good witch, Luke Skywalker, Morpheus, Popeye, Wonder Woman, and Zeus.

I was surprised not to see that Council mentioned in last night's episode.

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Johnm53
7/9/2016 09:37:05 am

I liked how Laura Eisenhower, great granddaughter of President Dwight Eisenhower twice referred to him as "Eisenhower". You have to ask yourself (sorry Dave C.) why she doesn't say "My great grandfather".

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Hairy
7/9/2016 10:53:30 am

Can you not pick and choose your twelve, nine, three?

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Causticacrostic
7/9/2016 10:51:08 am

Are there any connections to the Nazgûl? The Nine Ringwraiths are Sauron's most terrible weapon!

Some of them were Númenoreans, men from the sunken island of Númenor.

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Lemmiwinks
7/9/2016 09:28:23 pm

This was my first thought, what about the fellowship of nine to be set against the nine black riders......surely the witchking of agmar is an alien

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Craig
7/9/2016 12:01:33 pm

Man, I wish they would leave Hellyer alone. Someone should call the Canadian equivalent of Elder Abuse and have his home life checked out. I think they'll find someone is bombarding him with subliminal broadcasts of Ancient Aliens episodes.

One thing I saw in the show at the very beginning and the very end when they were blasting various images of nine things. It looked like Santa's sleigh and his reindeer on a slanted rooftop. Maybe it was a representation of some group of gods, but all I could see was Santa Claus. I wonder if they are counting Rudolph to get nine reindeer or is it the original eight reindeer plus Santa to get to nine?

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Ron
7/9/2016 12:27:27 pm

Pretty fitting that a H. Clinton commercial aired during this broadcast.

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DaveR
7/11/2016 02:05:58 pm

A D. Trump commercial would have worked better on the AA audience.

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orang
7/9/2016 12:32:56 pm

Saw Dr. Frank Stranges speak once. He immediately launched into his Valiant Thor talk. This was in about 2005 when it was widely known that Venus was an inhospitable hell hole. Later he asked the audience if they believed that the earth was hollow, and half of them held up their hands. I thought, "What am I doing here?--This is crazy."

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Shane Sullivan
7/9/2016 01:52:01 pm

Of course, that all-pervasive number nine, always coming up in counsels of ancient gods--except when it's five (Smarta deities), three (Taoist Pure Ones), or twelve (Olympians).

Or thirteen (Aztec Lords of Day).

Or seven (Fukujin).

But, y'know, *always* nine.

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John
7/9/2016 02:11:28 pm

Yeah, thats the part I find to be the most stupid, considering that this show explicitly brought up in the past how there were 12 Olympian gods. But I assume that they think that people are stupid, and that the viewers they get now are different viewers that have not kept up with the show. Whatever the case is, I would like to know how low do the ratings have to be for History to cancel this crap?

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Ken
7/9/2016 03:51:13 pm

They also flashed a quick stock clip of a large group of humans pushing and pulling blocks up ramps on the great pyramid using ropes and rollers. Isn't it their contention that the blocks were levitated into place by aliens?

Dana
10/6/2019 02:35:03 am

Nine is the number of completion and as a life path representation of full spiritual completion . IDK how this might relate since numerology and the occult were deeply embedded factors of The Illuminati , the council’s
controlling group here . I am a truth seeker and still looking myself . Started this journey a few yrs back .

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orang
7/9/2016 02:28:20 pm

Not only were Paul Hellyer's UFO beliefs formed after he left his government post, I believe the same to be true about Edgar Mitchell's UFO beliefs. From their comments it sounded like they learned what they knew about UFOs from the internet ,TV shows, and contact with believers, and not from work experience.

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John
7/9/2016 03:06:08 pm

I don't know what anyone here thinks of the physicist Alan D. Sokal but whatever the case, I find his essay on how the arguments of pseudoscientists and postmodernists can be similar to be interesting as it could shed some light on the mentality of the idiots on this show (as well as even Scott Wolter for that matter):

http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/pseudoscience_rev.pdf

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Juan
7/9/2016 05:45:30 pm

" At some point the producers started treating the audience as a collection of idiots,"

Can't this be said for all "reality" TV series: "Hoax island," The Kilchers, "Finding Big Foot," "Mountain Men," "The Haunted Collector?"

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Thoth link
7/9/2016 11:26:59 pm

I made the Black Satellite!!! Clemente Pizza of Alexandria(and now Abydos! Mmm) When I invented the pizza I launched the sat to have real time tracking of my horseless pizza chariots. I used pyramid hydro electrolysis ovens...so as you can see we had stores all down the Nile. The sat came in handy when indnosia amd the Mayans bough franchises. The Chinese and the Bosnians even got in on it.
Love, Thoth mmm mmm
Jeffboydjr@gmail.com on Fb Independent research society

AA....Is a joke...bigger than mine.

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Karen
7/11/2016 10:06:30 pm

Can anybody honestly say that they watch this show for the "truth" about aliens? According to this program, nothing that has happened to us is because of us learning and progressing on our terms, it's always aliens. Caveman made fire? Nope! The aliens did it! Egyptians built pyramids? Nope! The aliens did that too. People can come up with interesting plots for stories? Nope! ALIENS...

I'll be honest; I watch it just to see what they'll say the aliens came up with next. I can't get through an episode without shaking my head in disbelief and laughing. It's not a comedy show I know...but how far they stretch stories to prove their theories is highly entertaining.

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Assonaut Exaterressial
7/12/2016 07:57:07 am

Valiant Thor and I have been vacationing on the French Riviera for many moons. He says the French Riviera is much like the interior of Venus. I'll ask him about the Council of Nine.

I thought it was well known that the Pentavorate secretly ruled everything. The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothchilds, and Colonel Sanders (Who himself has been cloned in different versions and now appears in commercials selling his addictive chicken). Maybe V.T. (That's what I call him.) and I will visit The Meadows for the Pentavorate's next meeting.

Incidentally, the Pentavorate is the Council of Nine's modern moniker. 1 Queen, 1 Pope, 2 Gettys, 2 Rothchilds, and 3 of the cloned Colonels.

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Brian M
7/12/2016 10:00:56 am

Wait, don;t you see. How many players are there on a baseball team. Only the nine players have any real impact on the events on the field. The goal is to make a complete loop by leaving home and circling the "bases" (obviously alien substations) only to return home again eventually. All this played on a field vaguely shaped like a pyramid with "home" being at the pinnacle of the pyramid. Why did I not see this before.

I think I will start my own cult...please send you check (though cash is preferred) to P.O. Box 999, San Looney Abysmal, CA.

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Denise
7/12/2016 04:21:29 pm

OK am I the only Geek here that remembers Jose Farmer's "A Feast Unknown" a thinly veiled Doc Savage/Tarzan novel dealing with the "the Nine"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Feast_Unknown

I am feeling old, and a bit weirded out right now.....

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Valiant Thor
7/15/2016 10:35:26 pm

Klatu Verata Nictoo.
Just thought I would say hello and that I am meeting with Obama soon.

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Kay Bee
7/18/2016 07:57:28 am

This is hilarious! A man watches a show he subtly suggests is intended for idiots and complains left and right about its propensity to fill episodes with recycled content and more ridiculous claims...The same man then writes full on recaps of the apparent already recycled content as some kind of hobby. As far as my review of your reviews go, I would say at this point at least the producers of the actual show have more imagination and creativity than yourself! You complain about a show and then proceed to write a full on in-depth recap on said show. But for why? So you can complain? How does my complaining right now sound? I figured you would say that. What kind of person would actually care to write a review at this point? I guess you would? That makes you very special ;) Try finding another topic to indulge yourself in instead. Something that provides a more positive release of feelings/opinions and less of an actual waste of time and energy (like writiing reviews of things you apparently greatly dislike). So here's a toast to exorbitant amounts of wasted time being spent on trivial things that apparently don't even matter in the real world. And this is what you went to college for? Is this your calling?

P.S. Did you add yourself to Wiki? It reads like one of those badly researched, occasionally fraudulent Ancient Aliens episodes you were talking about earlier. Maybe I'll spend actual time to write a lengthy review about it to express my disdain. :)

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Assonaut Exaterressial
7/18/2016 11:45:31 am

Wow! Who peed in your Cheerios?

I play guitar as a hobby. Do I officially have your permission to continue that hobby or should I wait for a proper hobby to be discovered or permitted?

Jason actually models good research skills and applies logical thought processes. I wish some of the Ancient Alien theorists had some of Jason's skill set. Then again, there would be no show to critique.

Keep firing away at lunacy Jason! Reason will prevail.

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DaveR
7/18/2016 11:56:22 am

Perhaps you should take your own advice because your comment does nothing to add to the discussion. If you had paid any actual attention to what Jason posts you would see that he reviews the episodes and then explains the lies, fallacies, and misinterpretations presented as fact on the shows so that people who are researching the whole Ancient Aliens "theory" might find this site and learn the truth about the show.

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Three eyes open
3/1/2019 04:35:22 pm

Well said, Kay Bee.
If you wanna be a hater, own it. Don't try and pass yourself off as a 'reviewer'

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PaulS
10/9/2016 12:31:22 am

I find the show interesting because the universe and the galaxy are full of unknowns. Other unknowns that fascinate myself are what is the purpose of human life, how did we get here, how did we evolve, and so on. To put it in more simple terms, humans at this point in our timeline "we" have theories not real answers. The show proposes ideas outside of box and it makes you think. It doesn't mean you have to believe what the show proposes without question.

One thing that is a fact is that approximately 3-5% of ufo sightings in the past 50 years or so are unexplained. That adds up to countless sightings and experiences There are real journalists that have done real research on this subject. Check them out. UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean and works from Richard Dolan are extraordinary.

At the end of the day I have no doubt that there is more to the universe than earth and humans.

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Nbrat
10/14/2016 10:39:36 pm

I watch Ancient Aliens just to see how high Tsoukalos' hair is. I'm waiting for it to hit Marge Simpson heights!

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ACONNAN
10/31/2016 03:48:19 pm

Nice to see the comments ...maybe all should be made to state their religion..if any...then we can discount all the American Christians...especially those who believe that the bible is all true..!!!!

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wantedtobelieve
3/7/2017 01:16:05 pm

What Ive always wanted to ask this AA mob is, if aliens helped us build and evolve, who helped them?

Its a little insulting really, they seem to take away from the brilliance of our inventors, to suggest they were told how to do things or copied things they found (crashed ufo's etc.) but if that's the case, then surely these aliens couldn't have dreamt up the technology they had either without help? and nor there helpers.... and so on.....

They need to accept that some massive scientific breakthroughs and inventions are exactly that and maybe we're the first to figure some pretty darn clever things out.

Watching ancient aliens debunked is worth a few hours of your time if you watched any of the AA series, there's so much on there that makes you realise its 90% fiction.

Not suggesting that there aren't aliens out there, I think and also hope that there are, it'd be a big place to be in on our own. I just hate it when a genuine science gets bad press as a result of a show that's just out to make money and peddle fictitious "facts"

rant over ;)

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Allen
11/4/2017 02:57:09 am

I think Ancient Aliens is a somewhat interesting title for the show. However, the content as some have said, is lacking in facts for the sake of entertainment. Here are some facts that I think can redefine the meaning of Ancient Aliens.

Consider that the universe is roughly 13.7 Billion years old, and our Galaxy the Milky Way is roughly 13.6 Billion years old. It contains 100-400 Billion stars, and at least 100 Billion planets, and is about 150,000 light years across! That's pretty freaking big. Plus there are thought to be 1 - 2 Trillion Galaxies in our universe.

Now let's consider Earth, our planet. It is about 4.5 Billion years old, orbits an average star, and life in some form or another has existed here for over 4 Billion years. Life on Earth is comprised of mostly of hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon, which happen to be the most abundant elements in the entire universe. It took a mere few million years for life to develop here on earth out of the most abundant elements in the universe! That's a fact!

We now know that rocky planets like ours are common place in our Galaxy. How likely do you think it is that life in some form has also developed on some of these worlds? If life formed on only one half of one percent of the planets in our Galaxy, that would be 500 Million planets with life! Now I know there could be other factors lowering that number, but we're still talking a lot of planets potentially harboring life, more than likely carbon based.

So here's a couple points to ponder, based on fact. Why did life poke around here for 3.5 Billion years not really doing much then suddenly explode about 500 Million years ago with the diversity of life we see today? This is called the Cambrian explosion. And then just couple hundred thousand years ago the first humans came to exist. But it's only been in the last 6000 years that we've really evolved with our knowledge of math and science. And just in last one hundred years with the industrial revolution, the computer, space age, and age of the internet. That's a fact. And a pretty interesting one at that.

So, have Aliens from other world's had a hand in our development? There is no proof of this, and considering that signals from our planet have only reached out about 70 light years into our Galaxy that's 150,000 light years across, it's not very likely that anyone or anything have discovered us by way of radio waves. Even if they did, how long would it take them to travel all the way here? Even at the speed of light it would take a long time. On the other hand, there's been plenty of time for other alien races to emerge and develop the technology to travel faster than light. But chances are that even if they did have a passing interest in us, we would be like ants to them. They would be so far more advanced than us it would be like us talking to an ant. When's the last time you had an interest in advancing the culture and technology for a race of ants?

Did these aliens crash on our planet allowing us to use their technology to advance our own culture? I highly doubt it. Any alien race capable of traversing the Galaxy surely is smart enough to NOT crash their space ship here! Or even fly around and let us see them for that matter. Has anyone who has ever claimed to be abducted by aliens snatched a tool, an alien device, something to prove they were there? Hmmmm

Could aliens have seeded our world 500,000 years ago? Maybe some alien race fond of spreading life around the galaxy found our planet and saw it as an oasis for life... Maybe

Did complex life arrive here by other means such as hitchhiking on a space rock from another star or planet? Maybe

How did our great thinkers like Einstein, Tesla, Newton, Galileo, Kepler, and Hawking to name a few, gain the intellect to develop the science, the theory's, and think beyond the bounds of the mind? What makes them different from you and I? Could there be forces or entities involved that we don't yet understand? I don't know, but maybe.

There is so much more...

All these things, in my opinion, are far more worth the time to research, understand, and air rather than rehashed science fiction. Maybe our people, our youth, would become interested in things like physics, rather than being taught that the math is too hard to learn and some alien race is in charge of the world. Then maybe our country would once again take the lead instead of relying on physicists and scientists from other countries to make the discoveries.

But what do I know...

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