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Review of Ancient Aliens S12E06 "The Science Wars"

6/2/2017

56 Comments

 
​Ancient Aliens had been getting more aggressive this season in terms of positioning itself as the honest broker in a world of conspiring elites. In recent weeks, we’ve seen the show attack the British and American governments, Egyptologists, and archaeologists, accusing them all of engaging in various conspiracies and cover-ups to prevent Ancient Aliens viewers from learning the truth about aliens. This week, they take their aggressiveness a step further by devoting an episode to claims put forward by scientists that have not achieved general acceptance. These the claims that two decades ago were filed under the rubric of Cremo’s Forbidden Archaeology or the goofily names OOPARTS (out of place artifacts). Many such data points have been covered before under the mantle of the subjects they apply to, but gathered together they are essentially meant to indict modern science for rejecting the ancient astronaut theory. But on closer examination, we see that this was the week that Ancient Aliens made common cause with Biblical creationists and joined forces with religious anti-science zealots in pursuit of fruitless mysteries. As I watched segment after segment ripped from creationists books and websites, I realized someone must have recognized that aliens and Nephilim are more similar than they are different, and thus Ancient Aliens became another arrow in the quiver of creationism. The show’s subtext of taking religious mythology literally had finally become outright creationist text.
​Segment 1
In what would become the episode’s runner, Giorgio Tsoukalos meets with art dealer Jared Collins at NYU to test an elongated skull on loan from an unidentified museum in the hope that an examination of the child’s head would reveal it to be a hybrid between humans and some sort of non-human species. Anthropologist Todd Disotell conducted a forensic examination and declared the skull “freaky.” The narrator and David Childress return to an old claim from Tsoukalos’s In Search of Aliens (repeated in seasons 7 and 8 of the mothership) that elongated skulls lack a sagittal suture, suggesting they are not human. As I have pointed out many times before, while this is an oddity it is not without precedent in human births, and the elongated skulls do not represent anything unknown to science. For example, the condition known as craniosynostosis results in premature fusion and the disappearance of the sagittal suture.
 
Meanwhile, the narrator (Robert Clotworthy) attacks “traditional science” for being “intolerant” of anomalous facts and accuses scientists of “prejudice.” We then go to a creationist museum in Texas to look at the so-called “London artifact,” which creation scientists (i.e. Bible-thumpers) declared to be a hammer that was millions of years old. However, the hammer is a typical nineteenth century artifact, and it appears to have been encased in rock through a recent concretion of limestone, a natural version of the limestone casing that gave the Tucson Artifacts their false rocky coating. In both cases, mainstream geologists recognized the rock as recent, while fringe geologists invented elaborate explanations for why the apparent truth was untrue. 
​Segment 2
Well, I guess it’s a good thing that I wrote an article yesterday summarizing the medieval pyramid myth, which invented the claim that the Great Pyramid dated back before the Flood, and that I reviewed Scott Creighton’s recent book on William Howard Vyse’s alleged forgery of Khufu’s cartouche in the relieving chambers of the Great Pyramid. (See my review: Part 1 and Part 2.) We get both in this segment, and the show clearly has not paid much attention to all my work on the medieval pyramid myth, which stretches back four years now. The show accuses Vyse of forging Khufu’s name, using Creighton, but worse, the show refuses to condemn the German students who vandalized the pyramid a few years ago in hopes of proving this conspiracy theory. The show then suggests that the Inventory Stela proves that Khufu did not build the pyramid or the Sphinx, and it reviews Robert Schoch’s disputed claim that the Sphinx dates back to the Ice Age—just like the medieval myth claimed. Erich von Däniken shows up to discuss the medieval pyramid myth, citing al-Maqrizi’s report of Surid’s construction of the pyramid and Surid’s identity with Enoch. While the show takes this as fact, von Däniken is wrong. Surid was never identified with Enoch; it was Hermes who was identified with Enoch and Idris. While both Surid and Hermes were claimed to have built the pyramids in Islamic pseudo-historical lore, they were not considered the same, and in fact their stories were in opposition to one another in the Arabic accounts. But von Däniken has been wrong about the pyramid myth since Chariots of the Gods (when he copied it, errors and all, from Vyse!), so it’s good that five decades later he is slowly getting slightly more accurate.
​Segment 3
The third segment opens with a review of the discovery of the ruins of Troy, but the show repeats a false claim about the discovery of Troy, using Andrew Collins to spread a lie. Heinrich Schliemann invented a legend for himself, that Troy had been considered a myth and that he found the real place using evidence from Homer. In reality, scholars had already deduced the likely site of Troy and another man had begun excavations before Schliemann took credit for it. Other semi-legendary real cities are discussed, and this gives the show license to allege that myths contain truth so Atlantis is consequently real. The writers of the show don’t bother to pursue this line and instead move on the recent discovery that New Zealand sits atop a sunken continent. Even though it has been beneath the waters for 23 million years, according to the latest estimates, David Wilcock blasts scientists for not assuming that Zealandia was actually Atlantis, the continent that allegedly sank c. 9600 BCE, and that humans once lived on the continent, millions of years before they evolved. Mercifully, the History Channel cut Wilcock short and went to commercial seemingly slightly prematurely. 
​Segment 4
The fourth segment returns to the test of the elongated skull to check in as it is scanned in search of its sagittal suture. After the radiology suggests that no suture exists, the show says scientists refuse to accept this. Then the show attacks radiocarbon dating because a test done by Brock University on a piece of wood from Oak Island and trumpeted on creationist websites returned the anomalous result of dating an object to 3,000 years in the future. This leads the show to attack carbon dating altogether, but another sudden commercial break interrupted the flow of the argument. 
​Segment 5
The fifth segment discusses radiocarbon dating and explains that radiation can make objects appear anomalously young, or even from the future. Thus the show concludes that ancient sites are actually much older than they appear and were exposed to alien atom bombs, a claim David Childress has made for decades and which he discussed on Ancient Aliens years ago. He is still peddling false claims that the skeletons of Mohenjo Daro are radioactive and that the desert glass of Egypt, likely formed by an asteroid, was created by nuclear bombs. The show then argues that the fossil record is so spotty that we have not yet found the proof of giants and aliens, whose bones are waiting for us to dig them up.
 
Back at NYU, Disotell conducts a DNA study on the elongated skull and before he can give the results, we tumble into another commercial.
​Segment 6
In the last segment, Disotell revealed the results of the test on the skull’s “maternal” DNA was a 100% match for Scottish people. He suggests that the skull is evidence of European voyages to America in the early centuries CE. Disotell agrees with Tsoukalos that it is possible that the skull is non-human and from outer space. Oddly, he also says that the skull’s DNA results were “not definitive,” and it is unclear what the data actually show or how he related the “maternal” DNA to Scotland. Tsoukalos refers to the ancient boy as “that thing” before declaring it “an extraterrestrial skull.” The narrator says that scientists are ignoring the mystery of the elongated skull in the rush to avoid dealing with hard questions. The other talking heads chime in to criticize scientists. “They’re drawing huge conclusions without really seeing all the evidence. And this is a huge problem when trying to reconstruct out ancient history,” Childress says, unaware of the irony that his own massively bizarre conclusions about Lemuria and Mu and space aliens are largely free from the taint of evidence and built on foundations of sand.
56 Comments
Americanegro (not only me, or am I?)
6/2/2017 11:54:19 pm

First! Excellent as always Jason! Look forward to more of my excellent comments!

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Robert Brooks
5/4/2018 11:32:28 pm

How in the world do we get this stupid and irrelevant to history show from the history channel? I am not a fan of mainstream history and propaganda delivered through such channels as the history channel but I am not ready to lose my life to this unfounded l, unproven, unresearched waste of my time such as ancient aliens. Nothing makes me want to read my own selection of books and referenced books from friends and associates than watch tv when I see this moronic placate to the masses in the form of this show. It’s a shameful degradation in programming has been my observation in regards to the history channel in the last 10 years. Bummer all around.

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Neanie
5/12/2018 04:58:13 am

Perception. If ya don't like the show, don't watch it. If one is intelligent and knows there is more than one way to skin a cat, and the show is interesting, then watch it. If you only watch it to criticize and get attention for your closed minded negativity, then I guess that's okay too. Yet,you have given NO FACTUAL evidence to support your bigotry. What? You read some books? Then that's heresay, gossip, nothing more. All of EVERY thing is theoretical. Cool down, have some fun. Eat a jelly bean and watch something more mind numbng. Those of us with intellectual processes are still going to watch this stuff. It's great entertainment!

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Elizabeth Stuart
6/9/2018 10:09:18 am

I thoroughly enjoy Jason Colavito's remaks and comments. I absolutely enjoy his mind's immense ability to contain and dig up little known facts, and link them together to show where, how they come together to create mordern day myths. These pesudo pushers are not original thinkers. Colavito exposes the history and the reasons behind these fantasies. Sadly, all to often, the created deceptions have sinster motives. I, for one, am grateful for this man's ability to contain all this information, link the dots and present it to us. Thank you Jason!

Only Me
6/3/2017 12:35:27 am

So more debunked nonsense and recycled material presented by those who don't know what they're talking about. Good thing they assume the entire audience has the attention span of a medium-sized reptile.

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TONY S.
6/3/2017 01:58:21 pm

Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks...

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Scott Hamilton
6/3/2017 09:09:03 am

Disotell seems like a pretty level-headed guy (mohawk aside), so I'm assuming they edited him pretty severely to get him to say weird things.

I'm curious how carbon dating could possibly be interpreted to give a date in the future. You're looking at the ratio of C14 to C12. If the ratio is 100%-0%, the object is still alive, not from the future. You can't have a result that any more than that.

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Scott Hamilton
6/3/2017 09:10:51 am

"You can't have a result that's any more than 100%" I meant to say.

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Americanegro
6/3/2017 09:52:16 am

What they're saying is they found samples with a higher percentage of C14 than something that is currently alive would have. Sometime in the future, that ratio would go down to match the ratio in something that is currently alive. Further in the future it would decrease even further to give a death date that would still be in the future relative to the present day. It's got nothing to do with "100%".

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David Bradbury
6/3/2017 01:15:27 pm

Although 3,000 years is quite a stretch, the principle is pretty simple. Anything containing introduced C14 may appear to have what Americanegro calls "a higher percentage of C14 than something that is currently alive would have". During the era of atmospheric nuclear weapons tests, in some parts of the world it was possible for that to happen by accident due to contamination (scary thought).

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Americanegro
6/3/2017 03:08:46 pm

Since we breathe C14 every day, which is why the dating process works (except for At Risk, I can't imagine a dating process that would work for him) radioactive iodine seems like a bigger worry.

David Bradbury
6/4/2017 05:01:33 am

Yup. Banning atmospheric tests after such a relatively short time was a remarkably smart thing to do.

Only Me
6/3/2017 03:34:39 pm

That was my impression, too. Prior to this appearance, I last saw him on Expedition Unknown, where Josh Gates was trying to collect evidence for the Yeti.

As with this episode, Disotell said the existence of the Yeti was possible, but no one had found evidence that could give the claim any weight. He mentioned only three hair samples had been tested, IIRC, which isn't enough to make a conclusion.

I'm afraid he's too willing to appear on these shows and might not be aware of how they're edited to support the claims being made.

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TONY S.
6/3/2017 07:38:22 pm

To Josh's credit, he does conclude at the end of the four episode arc that the Yeti is no more than a myth.

IMHO Expedition Unknown is a vast improvement over Destination Truth. They cover real historical topics, and utilize archaeology and paleontology to pursue genuine unsolved mysteries. When the evidence isn't there he says so and doesn't try to twist facts to fit fringe theories. I must admit that I rather enjoy his approach and his sometimes self deprecating humor. And he at least consults with real experts at respected institutions.

Weatherwax
6/3/2017 07:12:52 pm

Carbon 14 dating isn't perfect, and it does have an error rate, I believe 5%. So sometimes you get wildly inaccurate results. Which is why you want to collect multiple samples from as many areas as you can. And that assumes no contamination.

In addition to which, it's not very useful for young items, as not enough C14 has deteriorated. Just as it's not useful for things older than about 45,000 years old, as there isn't enough C14 left.

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TONY S.
6/3/2017 07:46:32 pm

If I'm not mistaken, it can also error by giving false readings that are younger than is really the case.

Bob Jase
6/5/2017 12:02:54 pm

Disotell is not a fringer, quite the opposite - must have been a ton of editing done.

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curtis rodriguez link
2/10/2020 06:56:34 pm

I did not know the details of carbon dating but I did know that radioactive decay began upon the death of something that was alive. So I questioned how anything could build up above the level of something alive. Thank you for your information.

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Titus pullo
6/3/2017 09:19:06 am

Wasnt Disotell on Monster Quest years ago as the dna anaylst for bigfoot hair?

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Finn
6/5/2017 02:39:24 am

He's shown up on a few of these. There was some other finding Bigfoot show (though not Finding Bigfoot) wherein it was a sort of reality show/whittle-them-out-while-trying-to-get-them-to-do-scientific-data-collection hybrid.

One of the competitors bragged they had shot a Bigfoot, and it came back from a DNA test as "feral human".

Disotell stopped there and said, "there's no such thing as a feral human, just a human - so did you just admit to murder?"

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Jim
6/3/2017 01:30:20 pm

No wonder they can't find the treasure on Oak Island, someone from the future already dug it up,,,,,,duh !
Ancient Aliens really dropped the ball on this one, finally scientific proof of alien time travel,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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TONY S.
6/3/2017 02:02:14 pm

I'm waiting for the next "expert" that comes to Oak Island to say that to Lagina brothers. It's no more idiotic than some of the other theories they've had to sit through.

What I love most about Marty Lagina is the clear expression on his face of, "This is such f-ing bullshit!" whenever History brings in one of their fringe theorists to talk to them.

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Joe Scales
6/4/2017 12:33:45 pm

The very notion of treasure on Oak Island is sheer nonsense, and the Laginas are just guilty as the show's producers in perpetrating this fraud.

TONY S.
6/6/2017 12:13:48 pm

Of course the first investors were in 1849, not 1795. And we don't know what's there, if anything. I'm not arguing that we do. I'm saying that whatever orthodox explanation that the archaeology being done there ends up ultimately revealing will put Oak Island into its proper context.

Rick is definitely the dreamer of the two, from a fraud point of view, I could consider him naive because he seems to believe 100% in the island and its history in the context of there being a mystery to be solved. But again, that's an assumption to a degree. Marty is a hard nosed pragmatist, the successful business man and the money counter. Which is why it makes no sense for him to knowingly go along with something he genuinely believes to be a hoax, especially when it involves other people's money. I highly doubt that he would risk his professional reputation that way, he doesn't seem the
type. Nor does he seem the type to invite the questioning or the criticism of his professional integrity. He certainly doesn't seem to be the type to knowingly piss away his money on something he thinks is 100% BS.

The issue of whether there is anything on the island or not isn't the point, the point is that I personally doubt that the Laginas themselves are intentionally trying to foster a hoax onto the public. They were involved with Oak Island long before the TV show (which clearly IS trying to use their work and the subject to push fringe history claims).

As to nothing ever changing, I agree completely. History tells us that the only things that do are the names, the dates, and the players. Never human nature itself.

Joe Scales link
6/6/2017 02:03:09 pm

"Of course the first investors were in 1849, not 1795."

Not my point. That point being that for an alleged discovery dating back to 1795, absolutely no documentation of any kind... newspaper articles, diaries, journals, books, records, licenses... appeared in print anywhere prior to 1849 when a "treasure license" was sought. That year ring a bell? 49'ers anyone? Gold fever? Treasure scams? It has been a hoax since its inception. I mean, really... you bury the greatest treasure in the world and then leave a tackle block hanging over it from a tree? You'd think if that was even true (and it ain't), it would have led folks to believe something was dug up rather than deposited.

But seriously... you can't believe what you see on that television show. The Laginas are willing participants in an age old hoax. They are profiting from it, as anyone would from a top rated cable show that has now run for years. They even get to plug their winery. Wake up and smell the mendacity.

In the end, when ratings die due to the lack of legitimate discovery of any treasure, the Laginas will pat themselves on the back for a job well done, but alas... the Curse beat them too. Then if they don't unload the property onto the next sucker and/or promoter, they'll open up a resort.

Perhaps you've been to Richard Joltes' site debunking this hoax. If not, click on the link above.

TONY S.
6/7/2017 06:53:25 am

Joe,

Thanks very much, I'll check out the website. I appreciate your responses.

I was always under the impression that there was the core of a legit mystery there. Thanks for the information, buddy.

Joe Scales link
6/7/2017 11:32:33 am

This past season of Curse of Oak Island really rankled me when Rick crossed the line into absolute deception and falsehood. The show always portrays Robert Dunfield as a past "destructive" digger on the island, and their stock image of him is in a bulldozer with a butt hanging from his lips. But he dug up the "finger drains" and found they did not extend far past the beach. The Laginas have to know this, yet there Rick was, claiming that if they found evidence of any finger drain it "proves" the flood tunnels existed. Putting aside the fact of underground waterways and pockets natural to the Windsor Formation beneath, this was just sheer fraud on the part of Rick. Each and every observation is geared to the assumption that the treasure in fact exists; yet the evidence for that remains a big fat zero.

Joltes site is such a great resource for anyone interested in the sort of fraud that has gone on at Oak Island over the years; from the non-existent 90 foot stone to the exaggeration over time of planks and platforms in the so called money pit that also never were. The entire premise is built on lies upon lies.

For a more reasonable and truly fascinating discussion of what the finger drains more than likely were a part of, check out this from Joltes' site by Dennis King:

http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/Dennis_King_Mar_2010.shtml

TONY S.
6/7/2017 03:30:20 pm

So much for integrity. Rick Lagina is just another lying fraud. A shame, he seems so likable on a personal level.

It's incredible how many lies and how much intellectual dishonesty the whole story is rooted in. I never knew about Dunfield's discovery of the finger drains, or of the 90 ft stone being a hoax, or every other lie told through the years.

If only there were a way to get this info and the material gathered together in programs like Ancient Aliens Debunked in front of a mass public audience to combat these scams.

Joe Scales
6/7/2017 04:29:16 pm

Joltes has a video online that would present a nice framework for a televised production, but it wouldn't convince the ones out there that have become so passionate in regard to the treasure hunt. I tried to argue with a few of them some time ago on some Money Pit forum and was basically accused of being a government "disinformant". Likewise the true believers on youtube to this day disparage Joltes in the comment section for his video. There's a huge difference between being ignorant and being stupid. For the former, there's hope in learning. For the latter, not so much. Unfortunately, these sensationalized hoaxes appeal to those who are both; and they'll never let go.

The decline in quality of the History Channel has proven that actual history doesn't appeal to those that want fantasy. If I told you eight years ago that Pawn Stars would be its most reliable historical source of information, you might have scoffed. But it is certainly true now...

Bob Jase
6/7/2017 04:37:48 pm

Yep, when Chum Lee is the third most erudite intelligent person on the network...

TONY S.
6/5/2017 11:28:45 am

True, but I don't think that the Lagina brothers and their shareholders are spending millions of dollars solely for that purpose. They have always believed there was something to be found.

They probably agreed to the TV show to recoup some of their costs. Whatever deal they struck most likely included History having the right to bring in their own "experts" appear on camera with them to flesh out their fringe theories.

At the very last, the archaeological discoveries they are making (such as uncovering the remains of the alleged British military encampment) will in the long run go a long way towards putting Oak Island into its proper historical context, and I'm all for that.

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Joe Scales
6/6/2017 10:46:47 am

"... but I don't think that the Lagina brothers and their shareholders are spending millions of dollars solely for that purpose. They have always believed there was something to be found."

You mean those that bought into Oak Island Tours, Inc.? Rick might have been naïve enough to believe at one point, but Marty is an attorney, an engineer and a millionaire. There's no way he bought in without reading Dunfield's geological reports, which had been buried until about 2003, dispelling such idiocy as two hundred year old flood tunnels.

We don't know what they're really spending there. We don't even know what they're really doing there. It's reality television, which of course can be scripted, manipulated and falsified.

As for investors in Oak Island, they've been ripped off since the inception of this hoax back in 1849. And yes, I said 1849; not 1795. Some things never change.

TONY S.
6/3/2017 01:55:49 pm

I first read FORBIDDEN ARCHAEOLOGY when it came out in the early 90s. I remember being surprised that certain academics actually supported some of Cremo and Thompson's arguments.

So Tsoukalos and the AAT's are making common cause now with the anti-science and biblical creationists... Not surprising in and of itself, but it does seem to attest to an "under siege" mentality on their part.

Now they're going to be even more defensive and the cries of victimization by the mean "establishment" might grow even louder.

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Americanegro
6/3/2017 02:59:42 pm

His "crazy person with style" haircut should be under siege.

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Reya Kaaz link
6/3/2017 04:00:49 pm

As I mentioned before in other comments on this subject. These narrators of Ancient Alien are SUPPOSED to be doing what they are doing; in these or this time. The mix of Biblical themes and theories which they combine; is even confusing to them.

It may be hard to believe but this is their calling. They know what they are talking about. It is in their Genetics. Hence the reason they seek out. How they put it to the folks out here is another story by itself.
This may sound like utter madness but they are correct about BEINGS up there: That`s AFFIRMATIVE but they are incorrect about them being aliens

Maybe, they may even know more than they are telling. Hence the reason for the cross crossing in their programs; maybe to put the viewing public on a path they want to.

Wisdom is being handed down in pieces every day through folks like G. Tsoukalos and others like him; and very valuable too. It is up to folks to pick sense from non sense. Then again making scientific sense of Spiritual subjects and matters just don`t go together.
Here is where the lot of Con Fusion (s) pile up and confuse the many.

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Americanegro
6/3/2017 06:02:00 pm

Not buyin' it.

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BigNick
6/3/2017 07:19:43 pm

Prove it

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TONY S.
6/3/2017 07:55:56 pm

So Reya,

Where, then, does all the lying and deliberate misinformation put out by AA and its "theorists" come in, not to mention the out and out ignorance of the topics Tsoukalos claims to know so well fit in with that philosophy, exactly?

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Reya Kaaz link
6/5/2017 12:11:59 am

Thanks for your reply.
If you read my comment carefully, you`d see the answer (s) to your question on my different points of views. Yes, we can get riled up when we see and think someone have it wrong. Like Ancient Aliens narrators and of course others. But what can we do to put up a defense to prove our own theories against theirs.

This Ancient Alien topic is a very minor one to me; as I figured out what was going on in the series after a few shows. I don`t follow it up and so; will not sink into much on this topic. Your question do merit some words; and I would say that everything you see on the media has a medium.

You see, there are other more interesting topics to discuss. Extremely important topics; like the origins of People and the Changing Times. Also, I have learned overtime that not everyone is to understand certain things the way one thinks that they should. The best of us usually contradict ourselves.

Americanegro
6/6/2017 01:18:11 am

Reya Kaaz, it seems to me that you like to make a lot of meta-discussion talk about stuff and that meta-discussion stuff doesn't really mean anything.

Have you considered just saying what you think?

E.P. Grondine
6/4/2017 12:29:12 pm

RK -

Where confusion arises it is often due to people cla9iming knowledge they do not have.

As far as sorting out data from noise, Jason does a pretty good job of it.

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Reya Kaaz link
6/5/2017 12:28:24 am

Yes; Mr J. Colavito is the BEST! that is why I am with his website.

He is a BOSS at what he does; and a relief for me to know that there is someone out there like him; with the gumption to counter punch these narrators and their theories; to the benefit of folks who would other wise get carried away. Not everyone would know about this site; wish they did. We are lucky.

Thanks Mr. Colavito

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Secret
10/27/2018 03:56:05 pm

You too are complete idiot like the author himself

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Tyler Kokjohn
6/5/2017 05:43:08 pm

The effort to undertake DNA analysis of an elongated skull was extremely interesting. Dr. Disotell offered some provocative conclusions, but these were based on admittedly inconclusive data.

Will the sequences acquired be made available for independent evaluation? Without the ability to examine the data we must take on faith the assertion of genetic relationship to Scottish people is a reasonable interpretation of the results. This is a remarkable finding, but just how far was the inconclusive data stretched to reach it?

I applaud the producers of Ancient Aliens for expending the effort and funds to undertake this effort with an accomplished expert scientist. Remarkable results and interpretations have been put forward and it is incumbent on those making such controversial claims to provide the data on which they were based.

Many of us would relish the opportunity to deal with the hard questions posed by the Paracas skulls. Let's begin by allowing us to examine this new data.

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Reya Kaaz link
6/6/2017 06:54:57 am

Reply to 6/6/2017 01:18:11am.

Believe me; I`m past meta. I am in this meta discussion because I live on Planet Earth. Meta discussions if you do not know are topics like this one. I did`nt create them. Like you, I make my comments.

This is not my site to promote my topics. So here is where I give all respect to Mr. Colavito.

Oh Yes! I have considered saying what I think. Here is not where I would. I have done so in book one of the series Looking in I Saw: The Origins - Myth Infused Realities.

I am sure if you had to hear what I really think: OF COURSE you would think that I am madder than the Ancient Aliens curators.
Truth Hurts & we were cultivated to accept untruths.

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Sculder Strange link
6/6/2017 12:55:25 pm

Interesting how on the radio show, Coast to Coast AM, the day Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement, Ancient Aliens had a new episode bashing Scientiists.

Also, Coast to Coast AM, around the same time,ad a show about 'Faux Science" which featured a guest who was a civil engineer climate change denier. Then, the other night, they had an episode about "The scapegoating of Russia"
The conspiracy/paranormal subculture has been hijacked with disinformation for quite sometime. I wonder if it's always been that way, hijacked to further fascist conservative agendas? It's too bad. These episodes were clearly about discrediting scientists, and further stroke Daddy Putin Father Russia.
Conspiracy/paranormal beliefs aren't just believed by the Far Right of course, I'm aware that party lines don't matter when it comes to this, however, the kinds of narratives are different to whichever identity or party line.
It's so strange to me that these subcultures who are all about rooting for the underdog and in the past been full of anxiety about Russia are now in love with it.

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Sculder Strange
6/6/2017 12:56:41 pm

Typing error: I meant to say: Interesting how, the day Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement, Ancient Aliens had a new episode bashing Scientiists.

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Americanegro
6/6/2017 05:49:25 pm

Any chance of you distilling whatever that was down to a coherent point that people can understand?

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Joe Scales
6/6/2017 09:23:56 pm

As Nancy said to Sid, "some bullshit politics."

DigDug
6/7/2017 07:47:28 am

At some point, that one rotund physicist mocks his fellow scientists saying they "crave predictability".

So sad to see him throw the methodology that gave his life meaning under the bus for facetime on AA.

Maybe he should go back to herding sheep if he thinks the predictability of truth is such a wacky concept.

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GEE
6/11/2017 07:38:39 pm

Sorry Jason, not to take away from your Blog, which by the way I enjoyed, emencilly.

There sure is a lot of criticism concerning the brothers on Oak Island. Personally, do not get that impression that they are "Frauds".

I mean, what would be the reason to be frauds? They don't need the History Channels money..

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Mark from Bismarck
6/11/2017 11:27:11 pm

I don't believe they started out as frauds. I think they started out as merely hopeless romantics, chasing a dream that the Reader's Digest inspired. Marty had money to chase that dream, so they did, unfortunately without doing much research first.

I think Marty didn't realize just how fast all of his money would get burned through. At some point, I think he did do his research, and realized nothing would be found, but it was too late to save his fortune.

Then the History Channel comes along, giving him a chance to get some or all of his money back if he will go along with the premise of their show, which calls for the brothers to continue to perpetrate the myth. "Frauds" may be a little strong to describe them. "Desperate" might be better. Less desperate now that they've made some money back.

But I think they know full well now that there's nothing down there. But there's still treasure to be gotten in the form of money paid by the show, so maybe that's where the "fraud" comes in. They are no longer dreamers, but rather now making money by peddling the dream to others.

That's just my view. I could be wrong of course.

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mark from bismarck
6/11/2017 11:52:52 pm

What pisses me off, and the reason I can't watch that show any more, is I got tired of watching heavy equipment destroy a once-beautiful island. It's upsetting, and boring to boot. And ugly to watch. Just piles of junk, beams and pipes all over the place, not to mention the gaping holes.

I imagine the core audience now are people that get off watching heavy equipment tear things up. There are folks who truly love that stuff. I remember when they brought the huge machines over the bridge, the whole crew was all excited, and in awe of these big things, as if they were going to save the day.

Joe Scales
6/12/2017 11:38:04 am

I already explained above one instance of pure fraud on the part of Rick, who acts like the finger drains had not already been found by modern exploration. Despite them being dug up and ruled out as flood tunnels by geologist Robert Dunfield, Rick tells us that if they simply find the finger drains, it proves the flood tunnels. This is dishonesty. This is a lie. This is fraud.

And that's just one episode and doesn't include the Laginas getting into bet with Prometheus Entertainment's rogues gallery each and every week.

Don't be fooled by reality television entertainment. It's not real. You have no idea what equipment is really doing what and when on that island. You have no idea what deal was made with the show's producers. But there is no way millionaire attorney/engineer Marty didn't already have the true scoop on the island's history. There is absolutely no rational, historical, scientific, archeological basis for anyone to believe anything of value was ever buried there. It has been a hoax from its inception. Lies upon lies upon lies. Passing the Laginas off as "good guys" doesn't make it so. They are liars. They are frauds. It is that simple.

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Martin Stower
10/22/2018 02:25:15 pm

The mask of scientism (so often worn these days) slips and we see that what we have here is an overt attack on science for not delivering fantasy.

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Secret
10/27/2018 03:52:26 pm

The author of this article is complete idiot

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      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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