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Review of Ancient Aliens S12E11 "Voices of the Gods"

7/21/2017

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​Ancient Aliens has been working hard to find ways to refresh its old formula, and this season the producers have struck upon twin strategies. First, each episode is now framed around a field piece starring one of the show’s most important talking heads, and, second, the show has made its peace with creationists, nationalists, and other unsavory types, gleefully adding their claims to the core ideas of the ancient astronaut theory. We saw this when the show embraced creationist claims about “OOPARTS,” and in “Voices of the Gods” producers embrace the extreme claims of Hindu nationalists, melding together old claims about India from UFO literature with bonkers efforts by the government of Prime Minister Modi to celebrate India’s supposed prehistoric technological past based on dubious readings of Sanskrit texts. The show also leaves aside the vexing problem that so many of these claims originate not among native Indians but rather among white Europeans of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries who sought to celebrate Aryan heritage by looking for the “oldest” Aryan myths, legends, and sciences among the oldest layers of Indian civilization, a layer then presumed to be a “pure” representation of ancestral Indo-European culture.
​Segment 1
The first segment describes Hinduism but chooses not to deal with the question of the degree to which modern Hinduism does or does not reflect the Vedic religion that preceded it. The show then examines an ancient temple at Sirpur, and the show alleges that the building has sophisticated architecture that can withstand earthquakes. The show promptly concedes that much of the extant structure has been restored with modern concrete.  A man named Arun K. Sharma, described as an archaeologist, alleges that the temple’s advanced construction features were derived from space aliens who provided the instructions in a textbook on architecture, the Mayamata, which the show dates to 2,500 BCE but which is conventionally dated much later, perhaps as late as the eleventh century CE, but so far as I can find, not before the sixth century CE.
 
Segment 2
The second segment discusses ancient Indian medicine, including holes drilled into the skull, similar to trepanning, and which has been found in many cultures. The show, however, follows Hindu nationalist claims that this trepanning extended into actual brain surgery in the modern sense, even though there is no evidence that the brain itself had ever been touched.  The segment focuses on the Sushruta Samhita, a book of medical knowledge that the show alleges to be older than Hippocrates and the oldest medical book in the world. This is another Hindu nationalist claim, with non-Indian scholars preferring a date of around the sixth century CE, perhaps redacting material going back to the last centuries CE. We also hear that the book is the gift of space aliens, which is sad since the aliens chose not to give much of use, given the contents of the book.
 
After this, we hear about the vimanas and the ancient Indian flying machines from various poems. These are claims we have heard so many times before that they must be familiar to everyone who has ever seen an episode of Ancient Aliens. To this, another Hindu nationalist claim is thrown in: That a man named Shivkar Bāpuji Talpade read the Sanskrit texts and using them developed a working airplane in 1895. Witnesses say that the plane did not fly but perhaps glided for three minutes at best, and Talpade’s student said that he did not get his design from ancient texts but from science and his reading of Western material, particularly Edison and Hiram Maxim.
 
Segment 3
The third segment tries to prove that a presumed version of Talpade’s design is flight-worthy by testing a model. While mainstream scholars concluded that the texts Talpade used were not capable of yielding a viable design. Then we hear that some aerospace engineers allege that poetic descriptions of swirling mercury suggest that the ancient Indians knew about mercury-xenon ion engines. It should not surprise you that this highly unconventional effort to read science into poetry came from yet more Hindus in a state-run Indian university. It was one of many versions of ancient Vedic super-thruster engines put out by Indian engineers in during the recent period of high Hindu nationalism. Oddly enough, few outside of India gave much credence to the 2014 claim, except ufologists, who embraced this claim and others like it. The engineers in question were simply reading their own science into ambiguous poetry.
 
Segment 4
The fourth segment discusses claims that Sanskrit texts contain references to atomic weaponry. This is a claim we have covered many times before, and I have traced its origins back to Russian propaganda and the French book Morning of the Magicians. However, despite this, the show decides that Robert Oppenheimer, in citing the Bhagavad Gita in describing the power of nuclear weapons (“I am become death….”), was admitting to believing that he was fulfilling an ancient divine atomic destiny encoded in the texts, not that he saw poetry in them.
 
After this, the show talks about radioactive ash found in an Indian desert and then provides the false quote I debunked ages ago, in the fake poetry David Childress used to present it.
 
Segment 5
The fifth segment visits a Jain temple and alleges that a domed ceiling with concentric circles joined by cross-cutting bands looks like the Large Hadron Collider, even though the collider is a tube and not a disc, and therefore the temple is honoring ancient particle accelerators. This is so stupid I don’t need to remind you that the show made the same claim about the Aztec calendar stone a few years ago, in almost the same word. My criticism from then still stands.
 
The show then alleges that ancient India knew of quantum mechanics and that modern scientists derived current theories of physics from these texts, though they offer no example of a scientific breakthrough that could be traced to an experiment designed from a Vedic plan.
 
Segment 6
The final segment describes the large number of unread and untranslated ancient Sanskrit texts waiting in various archives and repositories. The talking heads then speculate about what they might contain, without evidence, and state that we should, in David Childress’s words, “pay more attention” to ancient texts, for the talking heads all agree on an essentially conservative worldview that the best and greatest time was the past and knowledge is to be found in the words of the ancestors, not the discoveries of the future.
22 Comments
BigNick
7/22/2017 12:25:11 am

Why would the aliens feel the need to bring humans knowledge. Don't they know about the Akashic Record?

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Clynock
7/22/2017 10:15:00 pm

And why does the past still have mysteries? Aren't the people who speak to " ancient spirits" keeping quiet on what their buddy says? I'm still waiting for the Indus Script to be decoded.

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Only Me
7/22/2017 12:32:33 am

I guess these morons haven't figured out yet that if these texts actually contained such advanced engineering and medical knowledge, that knowledge would have been gleaned and put into use by now. India would already be ahead of everyone else.

When I think about it, I'm really surprised the pundits on AA haven't linked Nazi tech to what is claimed to be in these texts.

Strange how these extraterrestrial visitors gave humanity so much and it made so little impact on history.

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David Bradbury
7/22/2017 07:12:48 pm

What everybody fails to appreciate is that the aliens were attempting to do a bit of legitimate business. They offered their technology on 28-day free trial, after which payment was due in gold-pressed latinum. No payment, no tech; the devices disassembled themselves at molecular level.

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TONY S.
7/22/2017 12:45:07 am

The aliens were apparently too advanced to realize that actual construction plans would have been much more helpful to early civilizations than vague references left behind in ancient texts.

Do any of these tools ever explain why not a single actual, physical remnant of these technological marvels has ever been found? Did the gods take everything with them when they left? That's kind of selfish. Were they they forerunners of today's "green movement", picking up all their trash and cleaning up after themselves after all this construction? Sounds a little too ADHD for gods.

Seriously... not to even leave behind a free sample for your new peeps? Cheap bastards.

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Clete
7/22/2017 01:55:08 pm

I am thankful that Ancient Alien visitors thought enough of us not to leave anything behind. They even took their shit with them. Either that or they had progressed to the point that they no longer needed to have bowel movements.

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TONY S.
7/22/2017 03:48:42 pm

See, now THAT would be something fresh and original.

They should devote an episode to discuss in depth the possibility of alien coprolites left behind that were found and revered by early civilizations.

They can even bring in Wolter to use his "geological expertise" to pronounce anything they find as genuine. It's a perfect opportunity for a crossover show.

I can see it now: "Dung of the Gods."

Mary Baker
7/22/2017 04:51:48 pm

Tony, "dung of the gods?" LOLOLO!

I was binge-watching on Discovery channel site, but burned out. Got too repetitious, and only into the third year.

nnug
7/22/2017 06:29:17 pm

Diapers of the Gods

Coprolytes of the the Gods

Chariots of the Gods

3 SYLLABLES OF THE GODS!!!

It's not rocket science.

Jim
7/22/2017 07:04:32 pm

Is it possible that giant Alien Nephilim poop out square turds, and this is how the pyramids were formed ?

TONY S.
7/22/2017 07:41:50 pm

NNUG,

I was actually going for the single syllable match to GOLD OF THE GODS.

Gold of the Gods
Sign of the Gods
Dung of the Gods.

One syllable. Yup, sure ain't rocket science.

BigNick
7/23/2017 11:21:08 pm

Nnug,

Diapers has three syllables?

Americanegro
7/24/2017 07:06:37 pm

Of course "diapers" has three syllables. It certainly doesn't have four.

Jean Stone
7/22/2017 06:27:11 pm

These ancient aliens must have been following the playbook from David Brin's Uplift universe, where most species really did practice extreme environmentalism. But I'm guessing AATs wouldn't like the books much because the key plot point is that humanity (and the chimpanzees and dolphins they uplifted) is the only species that DIDN'T attain that sapience via ancient aliens. And the second trilogy poked fun at real AATs by having a deluded cult called the Danikenites who refuse to believe that humanity did it all without alien help.

Now if only he'd actually bothered to resolve all the plot threads Startide Rising set up and never answered...

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Div
5/17/2019 01:45:25 pm

It's mentioned that there was a war between gods and everything was destroyed.

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Titus pullo
7/23/2017 09:21:17 pm

I have to disagree on the statment that conservatives believe everything was better in the past. In an othwise really good post jason really screwed the pooch on that statement. I dont recall any of the grest historical or modern conservatives who thought this. Edmund Berke, Baistsit, jefferson, Locke, Hayek were for innovation and improvement of the human condition. Their point though was many cultural norms and institutions were created by trial and error and should not be so willingly thrown into the pit by central planners and rabble rousers. There might be a very good reason we have marriage beyond the religious aspects of it. Charity versus govt welfare. Allowing natural aristocracies based on talent and innovation and so on. Given conservatism focuses on liberty and economic freedom, ur comment is incorrect.

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David Bradbury
7/24/2017 08:52:12 am

I think Jason was using the word "conservative" in its original sense: "Characterized by a tendency to preserve or keep intact or unchanged," rather than any of its specifically political senses. Words do tend to drift away from their original meanings in politics (one peculiar exception being "Tory" which drifted away then back again).

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Darrell
7/24/2017 02:34:10 pm

David, anyone who has spent anytime reading Jason's blog knows that's not he context he is using. Time and time again he inserts his liberal world view, this time also calling creationists "unsavory".

Americanegro
7/24/2017 04:21:10 pm

Unsavory?

Jenny: How did you find him?

Madame Vastra: Stringy, but tasty all the same. I shan't be needing dinner.

Titus pullo
7/24/2017 08:06:10 pm

I actuallly thought net of the conservative comment jason did his usual great job!

TONY S.
7/24/2017 10:38:11 pm

Unsavory is a pretty accurate term to describe creationists. I personally would have used a much stronger term, but hey, it's Jason's blog.

David Bradbury
7/25/2017 03:32:40 am

Darrell. If Jason is using "creationists" as shorthand for "young Earth creationists" (as opposed to any potential demiurges out in the multiverse) then in the 21st century, "unsavory" is not an unreasonable epithet.


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