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Review of Ancient Aliens S13E14 "The Alien Phenomenon"

1/4/2019

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​Ancient Aliens has never been a show overly concerned with facts. This is a program, after all, that released its tenth anniversary commemorative DVD set a year early. So, it is unsurprising that this two-hour special edition of Ancient Aliens was designed to mark the fiftieth anniversary of Erich von Däniken’s Chariots of the Gods, which was actually early last year. It is not as though they could have prepared ahead for such an unexpected event. But Ancient Aliens has always been concerned with creating a celebrity culture around itself. It has assiduously cultivated celebrity fans, and in this episode, we see the series start to draw in other fringe history show hosts to create a sort of extended Ancient Aliens television universe. Thus, tonight’s episode features Star Trek legend William Shatner, who hosted the paranormal program Weird or What?, and actress Megan Fox, fresh off her low-rated Travel Channel series Legends of the Lost, which featured appearances from several regular members of the History Channel’s traveling circus, including Jim Vieira and Graham Hancock. Now they have been beamed to the Ancient Aliens mothership, turning their programs into satellites of the black hole at the center of fringe universe, and implicitly recasting their shows as extensions of the Ancient Aliens theme and brand.
​(Disclosure: Many years ago, I provided some unpaid research assistance to the producers of Weird or What? without knowing what the show would be. Like many TV producers, they dangled the promise of an on-screen appearance to get help and then stopped communicating as soon as they got what they wanted.)
 
As has been my practice with two-hour episodes of Ancient Aliens, I will try to summarize the show thematically and roughly chronologically, but due to the length of the episode, I won’t be able to describe each segment in full detail. Two hours of wild speculation and irrationality is mind-numbing. I don’t even watch the four-hour “special” clip shows History puts on.
 
The conceit of this episode is that recent discoveries and developments might finally “prove right” von Däniken’s ideas—a neat trick considering von Däniken famously claims not to have ideas. “I’m just asking questions,” he has repeatedly insisted for the past half century. (Well, almost: In his famous Playboy interview in 1974 he made clear claims and did not use the question excuse. It seems to have entered his repertoire when after he received real challenges to his ideas. In 1974, he actually asserted that he was certain that he was correct about his many space alien claims.) It turns out that this is only an excuse trotted out when challenged on points of fact or logic. When absorbing the adulation of believers and reveling in perceived harmonies between some his questions and real-life events—akin to stopped cocks telling the right time twice a day, or horoscopes being vague enough to predict any future—suddenly his disclaimer about not actually making any real or testable claims evaporate.

At the end of last year, EVD complained in an interview that Ancient Aliens made many claims that he disagreed with. “I’m not happy with all the conclusions Ancient Aliens makes,” he said. I guess he and Ancient Aliens made up since they gave him a two-hour showcase and paid for him to travel to Peru to film segments for the show.

​Readers with a long memory—or the tenth anniversary gift set of Ancient Aliens—will recall that Ancient Aliens did an episode basically identical to this one for the forty-fifth anniversary of Chariots of the Gods back in 2013, and I guess they figured that enough time had passed that it was OK to repeat the same thing basically point for point. To that end, let me paste in my own previous discussion of the history of Chariots in contrast to theirs. The rest of this introduction originally appeared in 2013:
 
Erich Anton Paul von Däniken was born in Switzerland in 1935, raised a strict Catholic, and in Catholic school developed an interest in UFOs, like many youths in the early 1950s. He had a criminal record. He was convicted of theft when he was 19, and he left school to become a hotelier. He was convicted of embezzlement after leaving that job. He took another hotel position, and he stole money there, too, by falsifying records in order to obtain tens of thousands in fraudulent loans to finance his interest in space aliens and what the court later called his “playboy lifestyle.” The court psychiatrist declared him a pathological liar. Eventually, he would be convicted of embezzlement and fraud yet again, serving a year in prison.

In 1960, two French authors who were interested in the occult, Nazis, UFOs, and H. P. Lovecraft put out a book called Morning of the Magicians in which they tried to show that Lovecraft’s vision of ancient astronauts could be correlated to the “occult” truths of Theosophy and the UFO movement. Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels put together the entire case for ancient astronauts as we currently know it—from the claims about ancient atom bombs to the claims about “impossibly” precise and heavy stone architecture. Their book inspired several by Robert Charroux, who presented Bergier’s and Pauwel’s discursive, disorganized ideas in a more popular and readable format.

In 1964, von Däniken simply appropriated this material wholesale for a magazine article, and on the strength of the magazine article, he received a book deal for what became Chariots of the Gods. In his zeal to fill the book, he in places came close enough to plagiarizing Pauwels, Bergier, and Charroux that lawyers convinced the publisher to add those authors to the book’s bibliography, and in the sequels von Däniken specifically credited them by name, as if to assuage hurt feelings. Von Däniken went a step beyond his sources, though, in deciding that Jesus was a space alien along with the pagan gods.

The publisher, Econ, found the manuscript less than satisfactory, and they hired a screenwriter, Wilhelm Roggersdorf, to punch it up. En route they cut out claims about Jesus’ alien origin, and von Däniken forever after asserted Jesus was the exception to the alien rule. Roggersdorf’s version of Chariots met with great success, but much to von Däniken’s dismay, the contract he had signed with Econ stripped him of most of the profits from the book. What money he did make went to pay off debts from the embezzlement and fraud; so, with little choice but to forge ahead, while serving his prison sentence in 1970, von Däniken wrote Gods from Outer Space, a sequel he would sell to publishers worldwide on more favorable terms, and the foundation for his future financial success. After about 25 books (of which I’ve read half, all of the non-fiction volumes translated into English), von Däniken was a millionaire several times over.

His success afforded him the luxury of admitting that he lied, cheated, and committed fraud whenever and wherever it suited him. He told Playboy that he had lied about seeing a golden library of alien texts in Ecuador, and he admitted to others that he fabricated evidence to make his ideas seem more solid. All was fair, he said, when fighting “a war we have to win” to overturn modern science. He saw his ancient astronaut theory as a way of promoting traditional moral values and combating socialism and communism. Specifically, he told Pres. Gerald Ford that socialism was the greatest danger facing the world and conservatives needed to embrace UFO believers to win elections, and he later wrote that the aliens would punish the sexually unchaste as well as uppity feminists when they returned in 2012. (They didn’t.)

The Episode

First Half-Hour
This episode starts with a potted history of the 1960s and argues that Chariots of the Gods was part of the youth rebellion against all forms of authority, and to that end, von Däniken (henceforth EVD) was 33 at the time that an ex-Nazi rewrote the book to make it a bestseller. Using clips of EVD on the Tonight Show, our current show overemphasizes the role EVD played in the development of the ancient astronaut theory, for it was already widely discussed in Europe in the 1950s and 1960s, both in books and in magazines. Chariots was, of course, the most popular of the books, and the first to become an international bestseller, but books by Robert Charroux, Pauwels and Bergier, a number of English writers, etc. were all on shelves long before EVD.
 
A number of regular talking heads—those like Ramy Romany and Michael Dennin, with scientific credentials—appear to describe their love of Chariots of the Gods and how it impacted their lives and drove them into scientific careers. Romany claims, depressingly, that EVD taught him to question received truths about archaeology. William Shatner does the same, and then the show bitterly complains about “the academic community” refusing to accept EVD’s claims—claims that EVD himself here repeats are simply “238 questions” whose answers he did not know. But he weasels out of this, too, claiming that the questions whose answers he got wrong were just “questions,” but otherwise he was on the “right track.” It’s basically a “get out of facts free” card, allowing him to excuse his own failures and laziness by waving away any problem as a “question.” But what happens to his “right track” when the answer to all 238 questions is “you’re wrong”? 
 
About 15 minutes in, Giorgio Tsoukalos and EVD visit the school where EVD first started fantasizing about space aliens as child in the 1940s, and EVD repeats his usual spiel about his loss of religious faith in the face of some standard questions about theodicy. EVD describes himself as an “alpha animal” who dominated everyone around him.
 
For no good reason, this includes EVD giving a potted history of the Book of Enoch and its narrative of fallen angels having sex with human women, giving rise to the Giants.  The narrator claims that the Book of Enoch was “edited out” of the Bible in the fourth century, though it was never part of the fixed canon in Judaism of Christianity, except in Ethiopia. (Several early Church Fathers accepted its authenticity, however.)
 
Much of the rest of the first half-hour tells a whitewashed view of EVD’s life story, omitting his legal problems and falsely claiming that he financed his trips around the world by “saving every franc” from his job as a hotel manager. He used stolen money and loans obtained under false pretenses to finance these trips, according to his criminal conviction. The half-hour ends the story just before the publication of Chariots of the Gods. 
​Second Half-Hour
The second half-hour begins with the moon landing in 1969 and suggests that the moon landing made Chariots a best-seller, implying with visuals that Americans bought the book during the moon landing. This is false. It was already a best-seller in Europe in 1968 and wasn’t a bestseller in the United States until the early 1970s, when a TV adaptation of a 1970 German documentary aired. The Oscar-nominated documentary was indeed influential, but the narrator made me laugh by describing an English-language dubbing as the “American language” version and wrongly suggesting that the English version was nominated for an Oscar. It wasn’t.
 
Megan Fox appeared to claim that the book became “a truth” for her and has shaped her world-view, and she alleges that academics “don’t want their life’s work challenged” and so are unable to accept new points of view. (Unlike movie stars, of course!) Giorgio Tsoukalos repeats his familiar story about his grandmother feeding him Chariots of the Gods as a child and how it made him an ancient astronaut theorist.
 
EVD admits to being less than critical as a young man and cites his early acceptance of the Iron Pillar of Delhi—supposedly unrusting—as one key error. But he omits to note that the error is still in print in every version of Chariots, right down to the current edition.
 
A section of this half-hour describes how NASA’s Josef Blumrich became convinced that EVD was right that the Biblical vision of God’s chariot in Ezekiel is a spaceship. Tsoukalos wrongly claims that Blumrich holds a patent on an omnidirectional wheel based on his imagined version of Ezekiel “to this day.” First, patents last 17 years in the United States, and Blumrich’s patent expired in, I believe, 1991. Second, the omni wheel was first patented in 1919, without any reference to Ezekiel. Blumrich’s version was a variation on the 1919 original, despite his claim of Biblical inspiration.
 
The show skipped over several important facts about EVD’s life, including his time in prison writing his second book, his plagiarism scandal, and his fight with his publisher over royalties. It also omits the influence of Rod Serling’s Chariots TV special, In Search of Ancient Astronauts—the single most important factor in making Chariots a best-seller and exposing the ancient astronaut theory to millions of Americans. Instead, it focuses on William Shatner’s re-edit of a German documentary in 1976 as William Shatner’s Mysteries of the Gods and tries to claim that Start Wars was inspired by Chariots because it was “science fiction happening in the remote past,” as David Childress claims. (The show kindly omits the fact that Childress spent the first two decades of his career attacking EVD and the ancient astronaut theory as wrong.) It’s true that George Lucas read Chariots and wanted to base an Indiana Jones villain on EVD, but I don’t believe that Star Wars was influenced by the book. Other 1970s art was certainly inspired by it, notably Battlestar Galactica, but science fiction of the 1930s-1950s was just as influential, if not more, particularly H. P. Lovecraft’s influence, which hangs over movies like Alien.
 
More recent pop culture is clearly modeled on 1970s ancient astronaut books, and ancient astronauts can be found in a wide range of movies and TV shows. The show presents this as both triumph and conspiracy, suggesting that artists are preparing us for the return of the aliens by using movies and TV shows to normalize aliens. They do normalize the ancient astronaut theory—but as fringe history propaganda in service of sales, not for any alien agenda.
 
Megan Fox says that she would “assume that a majority” of young adults are open to the ancient astronaut theory. Sadly, Chapman University’s recent survey found that this is close to the case. They found 41% of adults profess belief in the ancient astronaut theory.
​Third Half-Hour
The third half-hour once again contrasts “mainstream” scholars, whom it depicts as hidebound and quick to reject EVD, with the public at large, whom it lauds for asking “very intelligent” questions that mainstream scholars would not consider. It describes the increasing number of writers seeking to emulate EVD’s success as a “growing army of ancient astronaut theorists.” For no particular reason, this army leads to a pointlessly false implication that EVD predicted the discovery of Göbekli Tepe, the ancient temple complex in Turkey, because EVD accepted the “Biblical Flood from the Bible,” as Childress calls it. Childress asks if Göbekli Tepe’s people were killed by the Flood, and Megan Fox says that she believes that the Flood really happened and associates it with Graham Hancock’s idea that the end of the Ice Age was the Flood.
 
The show goes into some of its greatest hits, including Gunung Padang, claimed now to be 25,000 years old by Danny Hilman Natawidjaja, the Indonesian geologist, according to the show, and said to be a natural hill by skeptics. The narrator also alleges that the number of petroglyphs depicting bulbous-headed humanoids “undermine” the idea that the images are mythological rather than depictions of space beings wearing 1960s-style sci-fi helmets with antennae. Part of the half-hour is given over to the DNA tests that Brien Foerster and L. A. Marzulli did on elongated skulls from Paracas, Peru. Foerster repeats a number of claims that the skulls are larger than head-binding could produce and that the missing sagittal suture indicates nonhuman origins, claims that were disproved by physical anthropologists years ago, which I have discussed many times and need not repeat here.
 
Another part of the half-hour discusses Zecharia Sitchin’s views, and Jason Martell calls him one of the “greatest” researchers of all time. That’s pretty sad since Sitchin couldn’t distinguish between the different Mesopotamian languages he professed to be an expert in. The show demands that Puabi, called a Sumerian queen (though her actual rank is disputed, and she was ethnically Akkadian while also a powerful person in Sumerian Ur), be tested for space alien DNA and Nick Pope alleges a cover-up because British officials, who control what remains of her skull at the Natural History Museum in London, won’t indulge ancient astronaut theorists their fantasy.
 
The half-hour concludes with the episode starting to run out or steam in attempting a hagiography of EVD. Instead, we are treated to the greatest hits of “alien architecture,” with claims that are not those of EVD, or even those directly inspired by him. The show alleges that ancient structures that are aligned to the stars or in some way associated with astronomy signal the arrival of aliens. The show presents Robert Bauval’s Orion Correlation Theory of the Giza pyramids and claims, apparently with Bauval’s blessing (or pecuniary acquiescence) that space aliens planned the correlation. (Bauval was inspired by Sirius Mystery ​author Robert Temple, himself inspired by EVD, creating a daisy-chain of bad ideas.) They repeat the false claim that Teotihuacan represents Orion’s Belt—false since the largest Teotihuacan pyramid “correlates” to Orion’s smallest belt star. But even if all the claims about buildings aligning with stars were true, it implies nothing about aliens since the stars can be seen by anyone standing on the Earth in the places where these buildings were built. You don’t need aliens to look at the sky, and you don’t need aliens to stake out the positions of the stars. We hear a reprisal of the familiar Ancient Aliens claim—still without evidence—that pyramids are built on an energy grid and beam electricity to one another and to the sky. We also get a repeat of the claim that any depiction of a basket or a bag held by a god in ancient art is really “misunderstood technology,” perhaps a life support system of a laptop computer. This is only “mysterious” because ancient astronaut theorists find it unusual that a male would have a handbag, which we today associate with women. I will bet you good money that if goddesses rather than gods were holding the purse, no one would have given it a thought.  
​Fourth Half-Hour
The fourth half-hour started a bit late because History jammed in extra commercials to pad the episode’s runtime to two hours and five minutes. It takes EVD to Nazca to make claims about the ancient lines that EVD once suggested were an airport for spaceships. The shows describes “space archaeology”—the use of satellite imagery to identify archaeological sites—and vaguely connects this to the idea that anything forming a shape visible from above must have been intended for aliens to fly over. To see why this is silly one need only remember that most Christian churches are cruciform when seen from the air. They are not, however, built to signal space aliens with crosses. The symbolism is in building the structure in the shape, not whether people can see the shape.
 
Megan Fox shows up to falsely claim that ancient people feared that they would fall off the edge of the Earth in their “rowboat,” and therefore science is wrong because it was wrong about the flat earth. The Earth’s shape has been known since ancient Greek times, so I’m not sure this is a good example. William Shatner appears and repeats the idea that science is often wrong and constantly changing. This is a difficult claim because it posits “science” as a fixed body of knowledge that is “wrong” when science is a process that continuously refines and improves its conclusions. There isn’t room here to go into the philosophy of it, but Ancient Aliens errs in confusing the body of knowledge accepted as the best approximation of truth at a given point in time for a dogmatic, quasi-religious doctrine. It belies that religious underpinnings of the ancient astronaut worldview, born—as EVD admits—from an effort to recreate Christianity into something more acceptable to postmodern thought.
 
A roll-call of doofuses who support ancient astronaut theories and UFO studies, including Ancient Aliens talking heads, billionaire UFO believer Robert Bigelow, etc., are presented in heroic imagery, as soldiers in a battle for Truth.
 
As the show moves toward its end, EVD’s panel discussion at Alien Con is shown, including a ridiculous tribute from an audience member that EVD belongs alongside Abraham Lincoln in the pantheon of “great men.” It includes more of EVD’s pouting about being “attacked” by people who know facts, and in an argumentum ad populum, he suggests that the 76 million books he sold proves him correct. A curtain-call of ancient astronaut theorists profess to be following in EVD’s footsteps, and EVD declares ancient astronaut theory—which, remember, was “238 questions” and no facts at the start of the special—to be “the new science” which will replace mainstream history.
 
In the last five minutes, the show notes that Akdeniz University in Turkey now has a program in ancient astronauts and UFO diplomacy and it describes college courses covering UFOs and ancient astronauts at Western schools. William Henry says that students demand such studies because they “want to be part of the revolution.” David Childress actually says something unintentionally insightful. He notes that we live in a time of change and with the failure of elite institutions, the public is turning toward alternatives, including the ancient astronaut theory. He sees this as a positive opening of minds, but it’s really a symptom of the collapse of old elites and the systems that held them together. It is postmodernism curdling into mythology and masquerading as knowledge.

EVD tells us that the aliens will be in contact with us within 10 years. And Ancient Aliens will probably still be on to excuse the failure of his prophecy.
 
And that is a wrap on this endless special.
 
A promo informs me that the show is doing another two-hour special on Monday as part of a “History’s Mysteries” week that, bizarrely, is stretching into its second week. I’m sorry, but that is just too much for me. I can’t do four hours of Ancient Aliens in one week. It will just have to wait. Even I have my limits.
55 Comments
American cool “disco” hal
1/4/2019 11:17:28 pm

Fantastic episode. Aging white males defending the academic position hate it out of jealousy, envy, and bitterness from their own failures and lack of recognition. The new science is gradually ascending.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
1/5/2019 11:30:46 am

"The new science" sounds like "German physics" and "socialist realism" to me, comrade.

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Graham
1/4/2019 11:32:17 pm

I always find giving Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels full credit for the creation of the 'Ancient Astronaut' idea a bit ironic given that the script writers for the pioneering science fiction TV series 'Science Fiction Theater' (1955/57) got there first in the episode 'Sun Gold' (Aired: December 1956) in which a male/female team of scientists following up the discovery of 2000 year old nuclear detonation byproducts in the Andes discover that stranded alien was responsible for the Incan civilization.

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Accumulated Wisdom
1/4/2019 11:35:42 pm

Same old misunderstood astronomy, geometric time, celestial alignments.

The Lion, Eagle, Ox/Bull and Man

These are the four fixed constellations.
The Griffin is a tetramorph denoting two of these constellations

"Wheels in the sky keep on turning"

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 11:50:25 am

"Same old misunderstood astronomy, geometric time, celestial alignments."

That's a very self-aware assessment of your posting history.

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Machala
1/5/2019 08:55:19 am

Jason,
Your commentary was a lot more interesting than the show, I'm sure. One typo caught my attention (and please don't change it) and gave me a laugh. Freudian slipcover ?
"....akin to stopped cocks telling the right time twice a day..."

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Joe Scales
1/5/2019 09:54:43 am

Glad you weren't too tough on Shatner. It's his World, you know, and we're just passing through.

Would rather see him back on Better Late Than Never though...

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A Buddhist
1/5/2019 10:25:37 am

To say that "Several early Church Fathers accepted ...[the Book of Enoch's]... authenticity" is giving the Book of Enoch too little credit. The Book of Enoch was discussed in the Christiaan Scriptures' Jude and 1 Peter; see The Book of Enoch as the Background to 1 Peter, 2 Peter, and Jude, https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/the-book-of-enoch-as-the-background-to-1-peter-2-peter-and-jude/

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Whoa
1/5/2019 11:09:20 am

Book of Enoch was the culmination of the Son of Man theology that was the embryo of the New Testament

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 12:05:00 pm

So eager to nitpick that you miss the distinction between authenticity and canonicity. Sad.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 01:15:20 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan: Where do you get the idea that I was claiming, contra Jason Colavito, that the Book of Enoch was canonical? I agree with him that, outside Ethiopia, the Book of Enoch was never regarded as canonical by a Christian denomination. However, there are varying levels of authority within Christianity, ranging from the Christian Bible(s) to the Christian neophyte. For the Book of Enoch to be regarded as authoritative by some Church Fathers is not exceptional, since some Church Fathers had strange opinions, such as Origen who allegedly castrated himself in order to make himself a eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake; or Papias who was condemned by Eusebius as being a man of very limited understanding. But for two books within the Christian scriptures to quote from or discuss the Book of Enoch as if it were a legitimate (authoritative) account of events reveals a much higher level of confidence in the Book of Enoch among some early Christians whose work was considered worthy enough to be classified as canonical.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 01:28:25 pm

Only ONE book, the shortest, quotes from Enoch.

You're like a cat chasing a laser pointer. Sad.

Joe Scales
1/5/2019 01:46:32 pm

I guess All really is One...

Whoa
1/5/2019 02:05:38 pm

There's an awful lot of stuff from I Enoch found in Matthew
So I Enoch IS in the Canon by proxy.
Read R. H. Charles...

A Buddhist
1/5/2019 02:09:06 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan: I never said that both books quote from the Book of Enoch. Rather, I said "[b]ut for two books within the Christian scriptures to quote from or discuss the Book of Enoch". Of the two books, one (Jude) quotes from and discusses the Book of Enoch, and the other (1 Peter) discusses the Book of Enoch by treating events that it narrates as real occurrences. You, to the contrary, are the nit-picker, as it were, seeking to find error in my every statement today.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 02:26:40 pm

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? So sad.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 06:39:23 pm

Sad.

Whoa
1/5/2019 07:49:27 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan = ipse se nihil scire id unum sciat

IS AMERICAN COOL "DISCO" DAN A SACRED COW
1/5/2019 07:51:40 pm

IS HE ?
WHY ?
HE'S A BLOODY DORK

American Cool Disco Dan
1/6/2019 04:48:21 pm

Remember when SOMEONE posted under my name? Good times!

"AMERICANEGRO
1/27/2017 08:04:56 am
I use the term Tipitaka because that is the term used by the Pali language, which is the language of Theravada Buddhism, which is the school of Buddhism that I mostly follow. Tripitaka is the Sanskrit equivalent term (and I am sorry for not putting in diacritics).

See, as evidence, the website Access to Insight, which opens: The Tipitaka (Pali ti, "three," + pitaka, "baskets"), or Pali canon, is the collection of primary Pali language texts which form the doctrinal foundation of Theravada Buddhism. The Tipitaka and the paracanonical Pali texts (commentaries, chronicles, etc.) together constitute the complete body of classical Theravada texts. The Pali canon is a vast body of literature: in English translation the texts add up to thousands of printed pages. Most (but not all) of the Canon has already been published in English over the years. Although only a small fraction of these texts are available on this website, this collection can be a good place to start.

http://www.religionfacts.com also says similar: In Buddhism, the Tripitaka (Tipitaka in Pali) is the earliest collection of Buddhist teachings and the only text recognized as canonical by Theravada Buddhists. Many commentaries have been added over the centuries, however. Tripitaka means "three baskets," from the way in which it was originally recorded: the text was written on long, narrow leaves, which were sewn at the edges then grouped into bunches and stored in baskets.

AMERICANEGRO
1/27/2017 10:00:13 am
FIRST AND GD MF'ING FOREMOST: DO NOT POST UNDER MY NAME. I'm the guy who knows what you're talking about and you're the guy who doesn't know what you're talking about.

You failed to properly present grade school level information so I had to clean up for you.

You in America now, boy. Talk English so folks can understand you.

I read Pali, you don't. You need to stop whatever it is you think you're doing, because you're not doing it. The cold hard reality is no one's interested in what you say except when it's wrong. I'm trying ro coach you in a better direction. Accept the coaching. Stop, stop, stop."

A Buddhist
1/6/2019 10:24:01 pm

American Cool Disco Dan: I apologize for accidentally posting the comment
"American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/5/2019 01:15:20 pm
American Cool "Disco" Dan: Where do you get the idea that I was claiming, contra Jason Colavito, that the Book of Enoch was canonical? I agree with him that, outside Ethiopia, the Book of Enoch was never regarded as canonical by a Christian denomination. However, there are varying levels of authority within Christianity, ranging from the Christian Bible(s) to the Christian neophyte. For the Book of Enoch to be regarded as authoritative by some Church Fathers is not exceptional, since some Church Fathers had strange opinions, such as Origen who allegedly castrated himself in order to make himself a eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake; or Papias who was condemned by Eusebius as being a man of very limited understanding. But for two books within the Christian scriptures to quote from or discuss the Book of Enoch as if it were a legitimate (authoritative) account of events reveals a much higher level of confidence in the Book of Enoch among some early Christians whose work was considered worthy enough to be classified as canonical."
as by you. I presume that I accidentally pasted the phrase
"American Cool "Disco" Dan" instead of the phrase "A Buddhist" in the name field. If I could edit what I posted, I would change the name.

Your bringing up past arguments that we have gotten into is irrelevant to the current discussion. More relevantly, you could try to point out a thing that I got wrong in my discussion here about the Book of Enoch and the Bible - and not one that you claimed existed only to be refuted.

See, the difference between us is that you are shaped by hostility - you take my mistakes and assume, based upon them, that I am never right, a sentiment that you constantly spew against me. I, on the other hand, try to see the good in what people do or say. Thus, while other people condemn you as a bad-tempered troll who contributes nothing to discussions, I see you as an expert whose contributions to these discussions would be better appreciated by all if you were not constantly spewing contempt and hostility at people.

You also have made mistakes that I have corrected. Or must I remind you that you came to recognize that Pali is not simply a slurred Sanskrit, that the word Tipitaka is a valid Pali word that Anglophones may use, and that the Bible teaches that the world is full of demons whom Christians must exorcise?

American Cool Disco Dan
1/7/2019 11:44:59 am

And yet you then follow up your apology with the sort of tedious, paragraphless, long-winded screed that only you think is a good idea. You get this: tl;dr.

I FEEL SO INSULTED!

Sad.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 11:50:15 am

Without going into a tedious, long-winded, paragraphless screed about it, I must correct and chastise myself. Your tedious, long-winded screed was not in fact paragraphless.

Still...tl;dr.

Sad.

A Buddhist
1/7/2019 12:25:46 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan: Better, I think, to be long-winded and polite than marked by both brevity and rudeness. I note that you do not deny what I wrote about you, merely criticizing it for length.

American Cool "Disco" dan
1/7/2019 01:14:07 pm

Jesus fucking Christ you easily insulted idiot.

tl;dr means "too long, didn't read".

"Three tomatoes are walking down the street -- a poppa tomato, a momma tomato, and a little baby tomato. Baby tomato starts lagging behind. Poppa tomato gets angry, goes over to the baby tomato, and squishes him... and says, 'Catch up.' "

Sad.

A Buddhist
1/7/2019 04:46:19 pm

American Cool "Disco" dan: Where do you get the idea that I do not know that tl;dr means "too long; didn't read"? Is it from your assumption that I assumed that you had read all of my long comment? Because I made no such statement explicitly. Although I said "I note that you do not deny what I wrote about you, merely criticizing it for length", I did not say, "I note that you do not deny what I wrote about you THAT YOU READ, merely criticizing it for length".

American cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 05:14:06 pm

Jesus fucking Christ you easily insulted idiot. You are like a cat with a laser pointer mounted on its collar. You do not know when to quit. You are wasting your precious human rebirth but that's your business. In an ideal world you would have someone counseling you on your social skills. Clearly you do not. In these troubled days of modern times we live in the real world where the Buddha roams the streets sodomizing drifters for money.

Where do you come down on the Moops vs. Moors debate? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SULQSL4Cd0

Sad.

A Buddhist
1/7/2019 06:34:37 pm

American cool "Disco" Dan: To the contrary, you are the one who wastes a precious human birth by spending so much time and effort insulting people.

Who are you to claim to know what I do in time not writing here? This blog, with its obscure subject matter, opinionated commentators, and frequent insults from you (and formerly Gunn/At Risk), is hardly a place where social nicety is appreciated. Rather, being able to discuss unusual ideas and obscure sources is valued - and any real or perceived slip-up by any commentator may be bombarded by insults. For this reason, it is best to be extremely precise and pedantic in comments in order to avoid such slip-ups and insults - again, a poor situation in which to display social nicety.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 11:46:32 pm

You, apparently, can only whine about being insulted. That really seems to be a thing for you. Have you ever considered that you may be insult-worthy? You seem like a pretentious Aspergers-riddled ass to me.

I'm treating you like an equal and as an equal I'm saying you don't measure up.

Sad.

A Buddhist
1/8/2019 08:48:16 am

American Cool "Disco" Dan: I do more than whine about being insulted - I try to make meaningful contributions as comments to this blog, despite the threat that you will insult me. I also try to be polite to all people in these comments while speaking truth as I understand it. Admittedly, I have lost my temper a few times, but I do not revel in insulting people, not have I urged anyone to commit suicide.

But since you are no longer even trying to find problems with what I said about the Book of Enoch, I will end this discussion.

Paul
1/5/2019 01:38:18 pm

Ancient Aliens, I have not watched. First time. This show was a sad commentary on the state of affairs these days. How a convicted fraud and embezzler without even a university education can hoodwink generations of folks is more of a mystery than ancient aliens. Appears that folks so want to believe other than the facts of their mundane existence, they will take to any fantasy that suits them. The father of modern science fiction? Jules Verne was a long time before EvD and made more sense. This just goes to prove that people are too lazy to educate themselves to even think critically. As for one selling so many millions of books, only 3500 folks in the audience for a round of self-adulation? Also, got a kick out of the fact that some universities are supposedly offering degrees in alien diplomacy or whatever. Hell, we can not even get along on this planet and they are teaching you how to be friends with aliens? smh Oh, I did read Chariots of the Gods way back when before there was internet and fact checking was made easy. Thought it was interesting but then life happened.

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Doc Rock
1/5/2019 02:59:34 pm

This kind of puts me in mind of a debate I saw between two talking heads regarding some conspiracy theory put forth by Ann Coulter. The one defending coulter made a comment along the lines of, if she is so wrong then why is she on the best seller list. The other guy replied that, at least according to his calculations, the number of people who buy her books is quite close to the number of people in the US who believe that the moon landing was a hoax.

EVD is to be credited for establishing a global brand. But popular sales are not always a sign of credibility.

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Hans
1/6/2019 12:01:58 am

EVD is a great story teller. Always was, even as a teenager. Which often got him in trouble, sometimes out of trouble ...
That's the context in which we have to view his books. They are fiction but had he published them as fiction he probably would not have sold many.
There must be a human instinct that makes false realities, make-believe worlds appealing to us; the point where we start living those false realities.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 07:24:41 pm

It really sounds like you're trying to say in a nice way that EVD was a teenage gay hustler. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sad.

Hans
1/6/2019 12:33:34 am

Jason,
You say at the end of your article: "but it’s really a symptom of the collapse of old elites and the systems that held them together. It is postmodernism curdling into mythology and masquerading as knowledge".
I have to tell you, it's far more sinister than that. The old elites have not collapsed, they are still alive and well. And that there are swindlers out there who peddle fantastic ideas masqueraded as knowledge is not all that new either.
What is different today is that the American public rejects the expert knowledge of the old elites and embraces the false realities created by the swindlers. Or to put it in a nutshell: Americans have become gullible and ignorant. Judging claims and ideas not by their merit but by whether they are "pleasant" (in whatever sense). It's a progressive disease and I see it all around me.
It's not that the old elites have collapsed, what has collapsed is the trust of the American people in those old elites. And so who do we trust? Only in our own ignorant common sense instincts.

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Matt
1/7/2019 07:04:22 am

"...have become gullible and ignorant"

People have always been gullible and ignorant, and always will be. Even "intelligent" people can be fooled, especially if their emotions are tweaked.

The only difference now is that dumb ideas are transferred worldwide in seconds and it's much easier to be caught in an echo chamber as those ideas spin round and round.

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Jim Viera is a dope
1/6/2019 06:15:23 am

Is it just me or is Jim Viera annoying, and stupid?

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is jim viera a dope
1/7/2019 11:55:01 am

No, it's not just you. You're both annoying and stupid. :)

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An Anonymous Nerd
1/6/2019 09:39:10 am

Regarding the discussion of Enoch and The Bible: According to Michael Heiser, PhD, the New Testament writers knew the book and either "pre-supposed" it or referenced it directly. Here's a podcast where he discusses these issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og4TkHso4Eg

I didn't listen to the whole thing because, for these purposes, he'd answered the central question in like the first 10 minutes. Also I'd read some of his stuff on this before so all I really needed was something to verify my memory.

Regarding Ancient Aliens: Ultimately the way the ancient astronaut fantasy fails is that every bit of evidence they have falls away the more you know about whatever ancient culture they're looking at. Terrestrial explanations cover the evidence better and require fewer assumptions -- and, I am unashamed to note, fewer crazy assumptions as well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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GEE
1/7/2019 05:30:24 pm

I'm positive I commented here to America Disco Dan and it had subsequently been removed.


Someone block this guy.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 06:33:14 pm

If true, it was at the request of Doubble B, the easily insulted idiot. I welcome your comment. Perhaps you'd care to repost it. I shan't request its removal, and I say that sight unseen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SULQSL4Cd0

The times we live in. Sad.

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A Buddhist
1/7/2019 06:57:45 pm

I made no request that any of this blog-post's comments be removed. And American Cool "Disco" Dan, how would you know who would request that comments be removed?

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 07:20:58 pm

I suggested you do it, Doubble B. Are you learning nothing from this? Maybe your alter did it.

Moops or Moors? Discuss.

Sad.

A Buddhist
1/7/2019 07:33:52 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan: I am learning that you seemingly never cease to insult people, even when you cannot be bothered to correct them. How much energy you waste with this insulting that you could be spending doing other things.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/7/2019 09:43:48 pm

"A Buddhuist": I am learning that you seemingly never cease to find insult, even when you cannot be bothered to think it through. How much energy do you waste with this complaining about being insulted that you could be spending doing other things. While telling the truth cannot be an insult, you fucking deserve to be insulted, mate.

You, a Buddhuist, are wasting your precious human rebirth.

Ozzy Osbourne gave the solution years ago. I'm sure I'm not the first to mention it.

With your ONE typing finger.

Sad.

A Buddhist
1/8/2019 08:56:02 am

American Cool "Disco" Dan: If I were the only person within this blog finding your words insulting, then the problem might lie with me. But since multiple other commentators have called for you to be blocked or banned for your words, I think that you may be the problem.

Since you are no longer even trying to find problems with what I said about the Book of Enoch, I will end this discussion.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/10/2019 04:35:03 am

Argumentum ad populum. An affliction I share with Nelson Mandela and if you had the self-awareness to see it, your august self. In short, stop being a little Bitchington.

To be clear your pompous long-winded pontificating is an implicit demand to be "insulted" as you phrase it. I prefer to think of it as an attempt to shock you out of your Asspie riddled lack of social skills mindset.

Aqualung fits into society better than you, and that is a concern. I hope you have a social worker and that social worker eventually puts down the crack pipe and starts to try to do some actual social work.

Screaming Eagle
1/7/2019 10:55:20 pm

I step away for a couple years and look where we are. Jason continues his research and commentary and now I get to enjoy "Disco Dan" and the "Buddhist" slugging it out. Freaking awesome on all accounts. Jason, you need to add a "Like" button for the comments. If it is not too much to ask, maybe consider heart and turd buttons as well...

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Bezalel
1/8/2019 09:16:20 am

American Cool "Disco" Dan = Bible worshiping closet Buddhist, failed in prior life, failing this one, trying a third time as a bloviating but ignorant blogoshpere troll.

Sad

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Joe Scales
1/9/2019 10:35:07 am

If that were the case, trolls are easily ignored. But you're easily baited. And weak. So that's out the door. And quite frankly, your post above is trolling. Troll.

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GEESTRING
1/10/2019 08:19:00 am

I don't pretend to be "smart", I misspell often, I am not a good writer, I am more into numbers than having a background in this subject, but it interests me. I Love Jason's blog. I look forward to a good read every week, which brings me here, religiously.

"American Cool Disco Dan" Id rather get drunk, throw up and pass out before reading another one of your posts.

Go back to the "Victim Club" that you are a member of instead of coming in here to instigate and take away from the blog.
Which, was your mission and you have done that. My suggestion is for everyone to IGNORE YOU, and hopefully you will go away.

Last call for Alcohol, Disco DAN, the BAR is closed. GO HOME

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Joe Scales
1/10/2019 10:28:00 am

"My suggestion is for everyone to IGNORE YOU, and hopefully you will go away."

Not exactly how you go about ignoring someone. You know, attacking them outright when they're not even interacting with you.

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GEESTRING
1/10/2019 10:40:35 am

How about those bears?

Joe Scales
1/10/2019 01:52:55 pm

Bears are done. Philly saw to that.

STEVE WARDLE
6/10/2021 07:02:12 pm

I HAVE JUST WATCHED THE ALIEN PHENOMENON EPISODE OF ANCIENT ALIENS, WHICH IS BASICALLY A GLORIFY ERIC VON DANIKEN EPISODE.... AND WHEN THAT GUY IN THE AUDIENCE SAID THAT HE WANTED TO PUT DANIKEN UP WITH THE GREAT MEN OF AMERICAN HISTORY, THAT'S WHEN I WAS TEMPTED TO PUT A BRICK THROUGH THE T. V.!!!....WHAT A LOAD OF SELF SERVING NARCISSISTIC CRAP..... THE PROGRAMME AND THE SERIES AS A WHOLE.... IT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THE OUTRAGEOUS GULLIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC, BOTH IN AMERICA AND THE REST OF THE WORLD..... WAKE UP FOLKS!.... GET THOSE CRITICAL THINKING CAPS ON AND READ AND DIGEST SOME REAL SCIENCE, NOT A LOAD OF PSUEDOSCIENTIFIC CLAP TRAP AIMED AT LINING THE POCKETS OF CHARLATANS.....

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