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Review of Ancient Aliens S14E03 "Element 115"

6/14/2019

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​The History Channel is all-in on UFO conspiracies, and Ancient Aliens is doing its dutiful best to coordinate their conspiracy theories with developments on lead-out series Unidentified, in which former Pentagon employee and current To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science employee Luis Elizondo claims that the U.S. government is hiding UFO secrets. Tonight’s Ancient Aliens plunges into Unidentified territory by taking seriously the fantastical claims of Bob Lazar, the self-described Area 51 whistleblower who orbits around the same cast of characters that populate To the Stars. Interviewing Lazar helped make Las Vegas TV newsman George Knapp famous in UFO circles, and Knapp helped convince then-Senator Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to fund Robert Bigelow’s pipe dream of a Pentagon UFO bureau, eventually known as AATIP, the same group where Elizondo claimed not just to work but to have served as leader.
​The Pentagon has denied Elizondo’s claim. After the Pentagon’s denial to Keith Kloor of The Intercept came under fire, from apologists for To the Stars, The Black Vault’s John Greenwald tried to get more information, and received the same results. Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough told him:
Mr. Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities for AATIP while he was in OUSD(I) [Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence]. DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] administered AATIP, and Elizondo was never assigned to DIA. Elizondo did interact with the DIA office managing the program while the program was still ongoing, but he did not lead it.
​Greenwald also tried to get a follow-up comment from Hal Puthoff about his claim [edit: made to Greenwald] to have worked on AATIP under Elizondo in 2008 when Elizondo claims not to have led AATIP until 2010 and possibly not at all. Puthoff declined to return Greenwald’s call.
 
The controversy has plenty of echoes with the sketchy claims of Bob Lazar, a convicted felon whose many stories about his life and times failed to find evidence in the documentary record. Lazar, of course, has claimed that the lack of proof is itself proof of a vast conspiracy to make him look like a fraud. For several years, Lazar has claimed that flying saucers run on element 115, better known as Moscovium, which had not been synthesized at the time he first made the claim but which now has. With a half-life of 0.65 seconds for its most stable known isotope, it would not seem to be an ideal candidate for UFO fuel. A stable isotope remains hypothetical.
​Segment 1
You will forgive me if I am perhaps a bit brief in parts of this review. I just don’t care about UFO propulsion systems and find it hard to get interested in the show’s efforts to turn Star Trek into reality. As you might imagine, the show opens with a potted history of the so-called Roswell Incident, and George Knapp shows up to demonstrate that I am entirely justified in seeing the KLAS-TV reporter as a biased advocate for fringe ufology, though perhaps one blinkered enough not to realize it, or cynical enough to think he can get away with pretending to be a neutral observer. From there, the show summarizes the many claims of Bob Lazar, using footage from Jeremy Corbell’s documentary, produced in conjunction with, of course, Knapp, whose work formed the basis for Corbell’s two films from 2018, the one about Lazar and the other about Knapp’s other hobbyhorse, Skinwalker Ranch—once owned by Robert Bigelow. It’s all a big incestuous circle jerk, and Ancient Aliens has approached the circle and started giving reach-arounds in the hopes of being let in. After all, Ancient Aliens is more valuable as a brand than the claims of ufologists or dubious whistleblowers or even To the Stars, so it’s only fitting that it should muscle in.
 
Anyway, this first segment is basically just a big commercial for Corbell’s documentary, and Knapp tells us that a “piece” of Moscovium would prove Lazar was telling the truth and the U.S. government has alien technology. I don’t really follow that, since one doesn’t follow from the other, even if it were possible to stabilize Moscovium so that it did not have a half-life of less than a second. (A hypothetical isotope with one more neutron that the heaviest known isotope is suggested to possibly be stable.) Corbell shows up to promote his movie, and the show suggests that the FBI raided Lazar’s business last year not because of the reason given in the search warrant—that they were searching for records related to the sale of nuclear material—but because they were secretly searching for Element 115. 
​Segment 2
In the second segment, the show discusses Soviet efforts to philosophize about alien civilizations, and Star Trek and Star Wars are explicitly cited, because this show is basically sci-fi cosplay nerd porn. We hear speculation about what it would mean if humanity were to develop the technology to colonize other planets and travel to other galaxies. This leads, through an awkward transition, to a recounting of the first synthesis of Element 115 in 2003. The narrator asks if Moscovium is the same element that Lazar said powers UFOs. Nick Pope and the narrator both suggest that there is a conspiracy to fabricate the discovery of Moscovium in order to discredit Bob Lazar. According to Pope, all of physics has conspired to pretend that Moscovium is unstable in order to distract from the element’s use as fuel for flying saucers. By “pretending” it to be unstable, they supposedly make Lazar look crazy. I’m not sure that it required that much effort. The show certainly put no effort into providing any evidence of this alleged conspiracy.
​Segment 3
The third segment discusses the Soviet space program and an early Soviet UFO sighting from 1948 at Kapustin Yar, which has taken on many themes from the Roswell myth, including a crashed spaceship, dead aliens, and recovered technology. Like the Roswell story, the myth is mostly a modern invention, popularized by—yes, you guessed it—the History Channel, which has pushed the story into the public consciousness since at least 2005’s UFO Files episode on the so-called “Russian Roswell.” This leads to a discussion of the so-called Nimitz UFO incident, which is the sine qua non of Unidentified and therefore an important connection between the two History shows. Many skeptics have debunked the sighting and the attendant video, including the differing stories being told about it, but the show goes through elaborate descriptions of how it thinks the supposed craft flies. Lazar says, for example, that Moscovium produces its own gravity! 
​Segment 4
At any rate, no one bothers to explain why we are to assume that the object is an intelligently piloted craft from a non-human intelligence, which would seem to be the kind of thing that would require at least some argument. Even if you were inclined to view the object as coming from space, how do they know, for example, that it is not a weird ball of unknown cosmic energy skipping through our atmosphere like a rock skipping over water? Surely there is as much evidence for that as there is for flying saucers from an alien civilization. In a more serious vein: What makes them think it is technological? I’ve never quite understood why people seeing things in the sky leap to alien spacecraft, except that the myth of the UFO tends to govern how people process ambiguous inputs.
 
Mike Bara and Rocket City Rednecks physicist Travis Taylor visit a visual effects expert to analyze the GIMBAL video, but lacking much insight into how the video was shot, they mostly speculate wildly without recourse to facts. They speak, for example, about a “light source” behind the “craft,” but they don’t seem to recognize that the video was shot in infrared. 
Segment 5
The fifth segment has Bara and Taylor claim that the GIMBAL video demonstrates Bob Lazar’s anti-gravity propulsion system in action. Taylor says “My skin is tingling from this!” as he concludes that the “craft” is surrounded by a bubble of coldness created by what George Knapp says Pentagon officials call “special materials,” and Knapp adds that such materials “sound like Element 115 to me.” David Childress chimes in that the right-wing fantasy of the Deep State is true, that the Deep State is “essentially the military,” and this secret state is already colonizing other worlds without our knowledge. I guess that’s why Trump launched the Space Force—which is less a political jab than an acknowledgement that Ancient Aliens had an episode last season celebrating both Russia and Trump’s proposed Space Force. In the show’s rough and inconsistent continuity, this counts as a callback. 
​Segment 6
In the final segment, the show returns to Russia to describe how Russia plans to synthesize more Moscovium in order to harness its potential to release energy. It is odd, though, that the show elides U.S. and Russian government efforts and treats them as one and the same, for reasons that seem unclear but seem to be of a piece with the show’s continuous celebration of all things Russian. Knapp claims that the U.S. has alien technology, which is of course a completely fair and unbiased journalistic evaluation of the facts, and Childress delivers a kumbaya that he hopes all militaries can work together to launch us into a new age of intergalactic travel—even though he just said that the Deep State is already colonizing other planets. Foolish consistency and all that. 
79 Comments
Scott Hamilton
6/14/2019 11:05:54 pm

Wow, Childress is out of touch with the Qanon movement he's obviously trying to appeal to. In Q mythology, the Deep State is basically everything but the military, and the military recruited Trump to run for president. I mean, it's not like that makes sense (the military has the guns... why would they need a geriatric con man to battle a bunch of desk jockeys?), but you need to talk to loonies in the language they understand.

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Charles Rector link
6/15/2019 01:35:18 am

Are you the Scott Hamilton who was a radio talk show host in Little Rock during the 1990's?

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Redactor
6/15/2019 01:46:21 am

I almost pity the conmen who've invested decades into UFO crap and are suddenly forced to adapt to the new post-Trump era of conspiracy theories. They've devoted their lives to building up this climate of paranoia and now a new crop of charlatans have hijacked it.

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Tudlaw
6/15/2019 09:45:58 am

Please leave the knee jerk political baiting to Jason.

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Accumulated Wisdom
6/15/2019 04:28:00 pm

Scott Hamilton,

You have touched upon a fringe idea which made my professors nervous... Martial Law. These men, and women had all read, "Behold, A Pale Horse". The scenario laid out by the author of "claiming terrorists had smuggled a nuclear device across the US/Mexico border in order to declare Martial Law"...Made them the most nervous. I had never given it much thought until, I heard Dick Cheney repeat the scenario almost word for word in a interview.

Now, we have a POTUS who could conceivably enact this plan.

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Kent
6/15/2019 04:50:36 pm

How do you feel about the Tom Clancy novel (and movie) The Sum of All Fears?

How do you feel about the man-portable SADMs which the U.S. military was trained to use?

How do you feel about the (proposed) Operation Northwoods?

In a nutshell, calm down.

Accumulated Wisdom
6/15/2019 08:21:17 pm

I'm good, dude. Just relaying the result of some "talk to me after class" moments. I didn't even mention their FEMA camp rants, Georgia Guidestones rants, and other paranoia tirades. Now that I think about it, they all mentioned the alleged military coup against FDR.

Like, I said. I never gave it much thought until, hearing it from Cheney. Had I shot someone in the face, during a hunting "accident"... My ass would still be sitting in jail. The person that I shot, would not have gone on TV, and apologized to me.

Kent
6/15/2019 11:12:01 pm

Speaking of Georgia Guidestone rants:

"AnonymousJune 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM

The Georgia Guidestones is an incomplete monument. The current structure is only the center cluster. Someone needs to complete the structure by adding the lunar alignments. Think "Aubrey Holes".

I used to put a lot of stock into prehistoric civilizations. Mainly due to the high level of astronomy, it seemed likely that at least a high-level astronomer priesthood had survived a human learning, Reset Event. Understanding the true purpose of the Guidestones, I realized no one Priesthood needed to survive. Monuments with, or without instructions, and the abilities of the human mind are all that is needed. When one surviving group understands the instructions, they have obtained absolute power, and the ability to restart civilization. I wonder if, the Etruscans left instructions for their augmentation of Stonehenge???

If the tradition of building these structures holds, there should be another one somewhere else.

Anthony Warren"

Kent
6/16/2019 12:19:32 am

Hmmm, I heard a Cheney interview where he said he never said any such thing. So you can cite the Cheney interview, right?

Accumulated Wisdom
6/16/2019 01:32:00 am

How many times are you going to repost your copy, and paste job from SW's blog? The GGS was the intended gift to the survivors of a perceived, nuclear holocaust. It's obviously incomplete, as the monument states,
"Center Cluster"...meaning...There was more to come. Likely due to changing politics, the plan was abandoned. Some extremely wealthy people wanted to ensure the survival of the human species. Inspired by legends which may or, may not be true.

As for Cheney, the interview was on Fox News sometime in 2008 just after Obama was elected. Dick was asked about martial law, and he laid out the scenario from B,APH.

Never gave it any thought until, we got a Cheetoh with nicotine hair, demanding to build a wall. Reminds me of "Dan Halen"... With nicotine hair.

Kent
6/16/2019 09:49:42 am

I don't know Anthony. How many times are you going to get stuff wrong? Parroting Brad Meltzer's position doesn't make you right. Not that I'm unhappy to see you posting your nonsense again on Wolter's blaugh. It's endlessly entertaining.

The GG advocate reduction of human population to a world total of 500,000,000 similar to what Tom Clancy has the bad guys doing in Rainbow Six. It was the brainchild of a eugenicist from Iowa. Nought to do with nuclear war except insofar as that's a possible tool for reducing the population, albeit randomly and not eugenically.

#2 Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

There are plenty of people today who believe that humans are in the words of #10 on the GG "a cancer on the Earth".

I have been unable to track down the Cheney interview you alluded to but since you remember it so well no doubt you will succeed where I failed. I look forward to your report.

Accumulated Wisdom
6/17/2019 02:19:43 pm

I'm not "parroting Meltzer". During a "talk to me after class" meeting, my Economics Professor posed one critical question...During the construction of the edifice, what was the major fear due to the political climate of the time? The answer was Nuclear War. If, I am "parroting" anyone, it's Professor W. We had multiple discussions on UPCs, and data collection.

I am unable to find the Cheney interview either. I can assure you with 100% of my being...Dick said it. He prefaced the scenario with, "What if?"
Had it come from the mouth of any other politician... I wouldn't have given it a second thought.


Kent
6/17/2019 02:46:56 pm

Well, that's quite a generalization. I was an adult in 1980 and wasn't worried about nuclear war (lower case). The Doomsday Clock was at 7 minutes to midnight which is not bad. Of course I can't speak for the Iowa Eugenicists' Guild.

"Professor W."? Another thing you made up or one of your many alters?

What's the difference between an economist and an accountant?
An economist is someone who's pretty good with figures but just doesn't have the personality to be an accountant.

So since you can't find the Cheney interview I'll just continue to assume you made it up or AT BEST saw it in the movie Vice. You can put your worthless assurances in a sack and drown them like two-headed kittens.

What books did you read today and yesterday?

Accumulated Wisdom
6/17/2019 07:24:20 pm

If, you were an adult in 1980...At what age, did you lose the ability to act like one?

Kent
6/17/2019 08:21:13 pm

Sick burn, Dudebro!

Still waiting to hear about those books you claim you read.

Yeah, well
6/14/2019 11:50:05 pm

The evangelists beat David Hatcher Childress to it with the story of the Annunciation.

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Accumulated Wisdom
6/15/2019 10:45:02 pm

"evangelists beat David Hatcher Childress"

Made me picture, Sunday morning bullshit artists with baseball bats. Like the cartoon of aliens beating up Giorgio Tsoukalos.

Thanks for the laugh!

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David Evans
6/15/2019 09:08:51 am

I wonder why these loons go straight to intergalactic travel. They are free to postulate advanced civilizations and habitable planets in this corner of this galaxy, which would make talk of travel to them marginally less incredible.

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Paul
6/15/2019 10:30:08 am

This is all so preposterous. Been away from this stuff, did not know Lazar was still alive and doing his con job. Looked on his website and he appears to be selling repackaged chemicals, lab equipment and cheap Chinese knockoffs. Appears to have some fascination with radioactive crap. Hope he fries the rest of his brain cells. The really sad aspect is that the History Channel is marketing this bullshit to people who appear not to have a critical thought. Maybe Bigfoot can make a comeback or Appalachian moonshine. Where is Tickle?

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Kent
6/15/2019 12:52:32 pm

Don't knock cheap Chinese knockoffs. They make a lot of the electronics in the U.S. go and are a boon to hobbyists. Lazar's been running United Nuclear for decades, but how nice it is to hear you wish him to come to harm.

You can contact him directly at

United Nuclear Scientific Supplies
email: [email protected]
website: http://www.unitednuclear.com
P.O. Box 851
Sandia Park, NM. 87047
505-286-2831

Perhaps you and Nick Redfern can team up and punch him in the mouth.

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Paul
6/15/2019 03:44:16 pm

Neutral as to the health and well-being of M. Lazar. If he wants to play around with radioactive compounds and burn his insides out, more power to him. As for him shipping radioactive compounds to my kids, or mercury in any amount, with only an adult signature needed, that is past borderline irresponsible.
As for cheap Chinese electronics, have my share of them, most of them are fine. But if you believe buying vast quantities of cheap Chinese trinkets are ok, and Chine buys little from us plus taking our technology that is another off topic discussion which I do not feel like taking up.

Bob Lazar Biography is out
6/15/2019 04:03:08 pm

You can buy that if you want to knock yourself out with even more crass moronic nonsense

Kent
6/15/2019 05:12:12 pm

"China buys little from us"

You really don't know what you're talking about.

Kent
6/15/2019 05:04:46 pm

"Hope he fries the rest of his brain cells."
Hardly a neutral thing to say.

"radioactive materials"
So keep your children away from granite countertops, houses with basements, smoke detectors, and the outdoors in general. You'll also want to keep them away from airplanes.

"mercury in any amount"
So no thermometers, mercury switches, or vaccines and no sushi and certainly no swordfish. Also no buildings in general and of course, no air.

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Paul
6/15/2019 08:01:23 pm

Go back and learn about exposure and dosage. Your liter of vodka on the table is not the same as the liter of vodka in your stomach. How many bushels of soybeans or corn has China bought from us? How much steel? How many pigs? How many electronics? This is off topic, I am done.

Kent
6/15/2019 10:28:18 pm

I used to work for Louis Dreyfus in commodities futures and I can tell you a LOT of soybeans and corn... It's like you don't even follow the news. Have you even heard of the recent kerfuffle over soybean sales to China?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-grains/brazil-rides-wave-of-soybean-sales-to-china-as-u-s-trade-war-rages-idUSKCN1SN1Z7

It's like you're deliberately being an idiot but maybe I'm expecting too much and if so I apologize.

Kent
6/15/2019 10:41:00 pm

A jar of U-238 is perfectly safe. I'm just trying to help you protect your fragile children by advising them to stay away from granite countertops, the outdoors with its radioactive ores and gamma rays, basements with their radon, smoke detectors with their radioactive americium payload, and sushi.

Your vodka analogy actually makes my point: if your fragile children don't eat everything in sight they'll probably be okay.

This would probably be a bad time to mention that you can walk into any gun store and buy a gallon of black powder without any background check.

Paul
6/15/2019 11:26:41 pm

So what was the balance of trade with China in 2018? Eat as much U-238 as you wish, makes no difference to me. And how much corn and beans has China bought from us in the last year? Do not you know when to stop or are you just annoying on Saturday?

Kent
6/16/2019 12:32:57 am

You moved the goalposts, the goto move of someone who's been called out on BS.

You wrote: "China buys little from us".

Clearly wrong. Balance of trade is not my problem or what you were talking about and you can research sales of commodities as easily as I can.

Don't YOU know when to quit? You'll find there are only a limited number of goalposts, and I'm in favor of a negative balance of trade if it pisses ignorant people off.

Machala
6/15/2019 12:12:05 pm

I can't believe that Lazar and Knapp are still around spouting the same crap that got them discredited years ago.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/bob-lazar.htm

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Lazar & Knapp
6/15/2019 03:44:42 pm

Still not as bad as the PLO

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PLO
6/15/2019 03:45:42 pm

Shameless terrorists and their supporters are shocking

tom mellett
6/15/2019 03:55:54 pm

Machala,

This is a much more comprehensive takedown of Bob Lazar. The blogger is writing it in 2018 but he had originally publushed iit in 1998. I cite his conclusion below


http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

To wrap this up, I’d like to leave you with a quote, reportedly straight from the mouth of Lazar, related to me by someone who once knew him:

“The more incredible the lie, the more people will believe it.“

Thus speaketh the Bob. On this one point, I guess I gotta agree with him.

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PLO
6/15/2019 03:58:08 pm

Had the supporter of the Sunnis saying not to criticise Christianity
This person comes across like someone who flutters like a butterfly without having any substance

PLO Terrorists
6/15/2019 04:00:58 pm

Not an agnostic or an atheist
Neither of those things
Try again

Machala
6/15/2019 07:25:34 pm

Tom,
Thanks for the link. Most informative and goes right to the point that anything coming from Lazar is pure trumpshit.

E.P. Grondine
6/16/2019 01:30:33 pm

Why hello, shit for brains.

https://www.justsecurity.org/57245/russian-trolls-company-evidence-israel-based-psy-groups-social-media-efforts-2016-election/

Tired of Mr. Grondine's Language
6/16/2019 01:47:27 pm

Jason, don't you think some censure at least is due a poster who regularly addresses others as "shit for brains"?

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22shit+for+brains%22&sitesearch=JasonColavito.com

Tudlaw
6/16/2019 05:29:02 pm

Not entirely sure who he's addressing here.

Accumulated Wisdom
6/15/2019 09:20:27 pm

Machala,

As long as, there are trailer parks in America, there is a market for Knapp.

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Charles Rector link
6/16/2019 01:49:41 am

Who or what is this Knapp that you write about?

tom mellett
6/15/2019 03:48:42 pm

Jason,

You did skip over Hal Puthoff's original contact with John Greenewald, giving the impression that Hal totally stonewalled John. Here is Puthoff's statement to John. It was to John's further request for clarification that Puthoff has yet to respond to.

But reading his response tells a lot about Hal's own relationship with the Pentagon which goes back 45 years to the heyday of Remore Viewing at SRI.

============

JOHN: When asked for documented proof or any evidence to the contrary, Dr. Puthoff only issued the following statement to The Black Vault:

HAL: “I have been following all the buzz back ‘n forth concerning Elizondo’s role in AATIP, and recognize that there are a number of misunderstandings – for reasonable reasons – given that the public doesn’t have detailed access to daily activities in Pentagon projects/offices.

Unfortunately for the public, those not directly connected, e.g., in the Public Affairs Office, are often themselves sketchy about details concerning highly-classified sensitive programs for which they have little-to-no access for security reasons.

However, I have no problem asserting that as an AAWSAP [Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program]/AATIP Contractor & Senior Advisor I continued to attend meetings, provide briefings, gain access to videos, provide Proposed Program Plans, meet with staff, etc., all under the aegis of Elizondo’s leadership and responsibility for maintaining continuity of the Program effort and goals until he resigned.”

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Observer
6/15/2019 03:59:16 pm

Still talking seriously about nonsense

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tom mellett
6/15/2019 05:49:30 pm

As a tribute to the recently deceased Stanton Friedman, I post his short takedown of Bob Lazar, first written in 1997 and updated in 20111

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07

THE BOB LAZAR FRAUD

"Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

[ . . . ]

I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility."

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tom mellett
6/15/2019 06:47:00 pm

Richard Dolan just put up a new video and reveals his 99% certainty that the source of the documents is the astronaut Edgar Mitchell who died in 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e2kOzWsnxI

And Dolan bases his conviction on Keith Basterfield
http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/on-provenance-of-purported-daviswilson.html

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tom mellett
6/15/2019 07:22:01 pm

Richard Dolan received this email from Hal Puthoff 3 days ago.
(USG = US Government)

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From: Hal Puthoff
To: Richard Dolan
Date: Wed. Jun 12, 2019

Rich,

With regard to authenticity, we have no comment on the documents recently being circulated. As some of us still retain USG security clearances and remain bound by the secrecy oaths we have taken, we believe it is in the best interest of the USG and ourselves not to comment on any documents that purport to describe classified USG programs or information.

Best regards,

Hal
====================

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Machala
6/15/2019 07:42:46 pm

The only reason that Puthoff or Elizondo MIGHT still have a USG Security Clearance of ANY KIND, is because once a clerance level is obtained, the Govt. is too lazy, or too reluctant to rescind it, unless you've really, really, really darkened their toilet paper - figuratively speaking.
Mr Puthoff's response is spurious and disingenuous, at best.

Jason Colavito link
6/15/2019 10:46:39 pm

It really takes the piss out of the whole concept of the "Unidentified" series, doesn't it?

Tired of Mr. Grondine's Language
6/16/2019 01:49:46 pm

Jason, don't you think some censure at least is due a poster who regularly addresses others as "shit for brains"?

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22shit+for+brains%22&sitesearch=JasonColavito.com

Kent
6/16/2019 11:28:56 am

More on Elizondo. With apologies that some of it is repetition.

https://www.theufochronicles.com/2019/06/aatip-pentagon-reinforces-previous-statement-elizondo.html

The original story:
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/?fbclid=IwAR3Pl5GDAX6f6TodvmxNSs5xKESHhBkXoQmfKZZcWVqu7Vft-WyhOuGnSFE

Never forget. Next year in Roswell.

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tom Mellett
6/16/2019 06:16:30 pm

Not to worry, Jason! The greatest American physicist to come out of Brooklyn since Richard Feynman will be the guest of George Knapp on this Sunday’s Coast to Coast AM

Jack Sarfatti understands it all and will explain it all to us and will of course save us all with his genius. Here is the preview message that he posted for his FB fans:

—————————--

My message to George Knapp on my June 23, 2019 appearance on Coast to Coast. I want to cut to the chase immediately at the beginning of the show. I do not want to mention 1953 contact until the end because it’s old news and we can get hung up on it and never get to the important message I have. Timeline – my main points that I want to state these 8 talking points at the very beginning.

1. I fully support Luis Elizondo’s investigative efforts – they provide my smoking gun for the physics and they are a potential military threat
2. However, it is not true that the physics of how Tic Tac flies is not understood.
3. I understand it perfectly in terms of the mainstream theoretical physics of Albert Einstein (gravity), James Maxwell (electromagnetism), David Bohm (quantum mechanics) and the solid-state physics of meta-materials. I first lectured on meta-materials for UFOS in 2011 when General Pete Worden (US Space Command/NASA AMES) flew me and Doug Trumbull (Space Odyssey) to Orlando for the DARPA/NASA 100 Year Starship meeting.
4. Tic Tac does not MOVE THROUGH SPACE.
5. Tic Tac FOLDS SPACE – WARP DRIVE in such a way as to get to WHERE & WHEN it desires with TINY AMOUNTS OF ENERGY because of the meta-material hull
6. There is never any g-force inside Tic Tac, in fact, it ZERO g-force there no matter how large the apparent g-forces look to the outside observer.
7. They shift shape because of Einstein’s gravity lens effect – well understood.
8. We can build our own Tic Tacs quickly and we better start now because Vladimir Putin’s scientists have a head start the race is on and USA has not left the starting gate. The Russians are translating my ideas on all this into Russian as we speak.

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Jack Sarfatti (responding to another commenter):
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True about Iran, there about 300 Iranian scientists tracking my work on Linkedin. Tehran has a strong department of Bohmian quantum physicists and my work uses Bohm's theory. Israel can easily build the Tic Tacs quickly but they lack the will. I have tried to get Uri Geller to alert Bibi Netanyahu who is his close friend, but Uri does not seem to understand enough to do so. I hope I am wrong about that. The problem is that the really good theoretical physicists who can easily understand my equations have a mental block on taking the whole phenomenon seriously. This is the issue Elizondo mentions in Unidentified on History Channel.

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David Evans
6/16/2019 07:03:15 pm

The amount of spacetime bending implied by #5 and #7 would have huge gravitational effects on the nearby sea surface. These are not observed.
Recall that the entire mass of the Sun, whose gravitational field is 27 times stronger than Earth's, can only bend light through 1/2000 of a degree.

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tom mellett
6/16/2019 07:45:14 pm

Good point, but that's where the metamaterials come in -- Jack covers that starting around the 9 minute mark of this video interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROJ8hQBDHJM

The metamaterials (which make up the "hull" of the tic-tac vehicle are layered at the nanometer scale and are able to create a large enough index of refraction to slow down the speed of light drastically within the material so that the spacetime warping can occur, thus softenting the "default stiffness" of spacetime that you describe with the sun's gravity.

Kent
6/16/2019 08:37:45 pm

It can easily be seen that Sarfatti is an idiot because he only refers to Bohm when he speaks of quantum mechanics. Bohm did solid work in QM but anyone who refers to him solely and can't stop talking about him is ipso facto an idiot.

An interesting question would be "Does the layering of metamaterials at the nanometer (i.e. bullshit) level slow the speed of propagation of gravity?"

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tom mellett
6/16/2019 08:47:03 pm

Yes it does. To zero-g actually, because the inhabitant -- be they EBEs or AI robots -- all experience zero gravity inside the tictac completely independent of the observed acceleration outside the tictac that Fravor and the other pilots saw on their Top Gun cameras..

As for Sarfatti being an idiot, of course he is, given that the Greek derivation of the word makes Jack "his own man."

Kent
6/16/2019 09:15:10 pm

At this point I honestly can't tell if you're sincere or doing performance art so I'll ask the obvious followup question: Do the occupants experience acceleration, which even in a zero gravity environment is indistinguishable from gravity?

tom mellett
6/16/2019 10:12:15 pm

Well, I can't tell either, so that makes two of us.

The tictac occupants do not experience acceleration in a way very analagous to the present occupants of the Space Station, who do not EXPERIENCE acceleration in their weightless orbit, a free floating time-like geodesic. However, from our frame of reference stuck on the earth, we see the Space Station astronauts accelerating bigly, needing to observe them with light beams or radar beams to calculate their apparent (to us) acceleration.

In the same way, we calculate the tictac doing its vanishing maneuver to be imposing 5,000 g forces on the occupants. But these occupants inside are kinda sorta surfing on the time-like geodesic and experience no gravity at all due to the metamaterials on the skin slowing the speed of light down, etc. as explained 2 comments above.

Thus they experience zero gravity just like the human astronauts experience zero-g orbiting in the space station.

Kent
6/16/2019 11:47:47 pm

OK, jabberwocky. "Time-like geodesic" bollocks. The ISS is constantly accelerating in that it is constantly changing direction due to Earth's gravity. Absent visual cues this acceleration cannot be felt. Note the speed remains constant.

Similarly, absent visual cues the occupants of an airplane cannot distinguish flying in circles at a constant speed from flying in a straight line at constant speed. No need for a "time-like geodesic".

IN both cases there is constant, perceivable-by-visual-cues, aka "light beams" acceleration.

tom mellett
6/17/2019 12:33:08 am

What you say is all true in the case of the ISS because there is no warping of the spacetime metric, neither inside the ISS, where every astronaut is indeed falling to the earth with an acceleration of 0.89g = 28.5 ft/s/s (instead of 32 f/s/s near the earth's surface) nor outside the ISS as we look up at it from the earth..

But inside the tictac, the spacetime is so warped by the magically metamaterial hull, that the occupants feel no acceleration because their time-like geodesic is drastically diffreent than that of the ISS astronauts whose geodesic is not distorted and indeed is 99.9999% identical to the geodesic the earthbound observers have --- meaning there's no real relativistic difference between us and the ISS.

Maybe look at Miguel Alcubierre's warp drive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

David Evans
6/17/2019 03:46:08 am

Tom Mellett:

"Magically" is indeed the right word for these metamaterials. And Sarfatti thinks he knows enough to start building one? He must be a great mage.

The Alcubierre drive may not work. If it does, it needs a huge amount of energy and the effects on bystanders are severe. I can guarantee there is not one operating in our atmosphere.

For Einsteinian space warping to explain the apparent changes of shape it has to occur OUTSIDE the shape in question. If it does so, it will show up in huge gravitational effects as I described.

Kent
6/17/2019 10:01:44 am

"Maybe look at Miguel Alcubierre's warp drive"

So your recommendation is that I look at something that doesn't exist?

Saying "geodesic" over and over doesn't make the rest of what you say true or even convincing.

Kent
6/17/2019 10:24:11 am

"there's no real relativistic difference between us and the ISS"

Gosh it's almost like you know no physics. There is indeed a real relativistic difference between us and the ISS. Time passes measurably slower there. GPS satellite systems have to correct for this.

It was in all the newspapers.

Hans
6/16/2019 09:46:58 pm

You guys are hella funny ...

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tom mellett
6/16/2019 10:17:10 pm

Axolotl! And if you're really nice to me, I'll even say "potrzebie!"

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E.P. Grondine
6/17/2019 12:11:24 am

Hi Jason -
The news:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9302917/donald-trump-believe-aliens-ufo-sightings-pentagon/

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Tired of E.P. Grondine's Language
6/17/2019 02:04:40 pm

The actual headline:
"DON BELIEVE IT Donald Trump ‘doesn’t particularly believe in aliens’ but admits holding meeting on UFO sightings"

The actual quote:
"I did have one very brief meeting on it. But people are saying they're seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly."

This interview with George Stephanopolous of ABC was widely discussed in the U.S. media.

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HEY MACHALA
6/18/2019 04:22:37 am

Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed - still not as bad as The PLO

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Tudlaw
6/18/2019 02:40:44 pm

People still get upset about how the American Indians were treated, but when newly-minted Israelis with UN acquiescence did the same thing to indigenous Arabs everything was jake. Gaza is basically a reservation but with much stricter rules and more oppression. The West Bank will never be Arab in governance again but that is Jordan's fault. You can be Jewish with a UN Laissez Passer but still be hassled for hours by Israeli security forces while trying to enter Gaza on official business.

I give no truck to intercourse with Israel, The Country That Should Not Be. Born in reproach, in reproach it lives. It is the plum sized tumour in Gary Busey's sinus cavity of the Mideast. Fascism, Communism, and Zionism: the triple scourges of the 20th century. They can be collectively referred to as the "Three Traitors", and many references to religion are found that are held to symbolize them, for example: Judas (desire), Pilate (intellect), and Caiaphas (will) who crucify Jesus; Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelum who murder Hiram Abiff. Well, two out of three isn't bad but the sad fact "on the ground" is that we are stuck with Zionism for the foreseeable future due to a series of what I will charitably call "missteps" beginning in the earlier 20th century.

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MACHALA'S GUIDANCE TO OTHER PEOPLE
6/18/2019 04:24:41 am

The PLO - some people need to look at themselves

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Hezbollah
6/18/2019 04:32:55 am

Got the Hezbollah and those tunnels involved as well.
Got terrorists contributing to this Blog.

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Judas
6/18/2019 05:03:26 am

Machala seems to have drifted to this Blog because of anti-Semitist prejudices?

Oh no.....
6/18/2019 05:19:23 am

Oh no... Political overtones exist beneath the surface of this Blog.

J B
6/24/2019 03:48:22 pm

I farted!

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Matt Agajanian
6/27/2019 06:12:07 pm

Hi all, Riddle me this:

Some (if not all) UFO witnesses report these UFOs as traveling at excessive speeds and with some sort of change in direction or turning. If these UFOs are traveling at such rapid speeds, how can the UFO be visible to the person/crowd at the sighting?

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Kent Againian
6/27/2019 11:08:52 pm

How can you see the ISS, the moon, comets, meteors, or in bygone days the Space Shuttle and Apollo V launch vehicles? I'm guessing they estimate speeds but don't estimate distances, and the main thrust of the reports is not so much high speed but apparent rapid changes in direction. Also it has yet to be proved that "they" are seeing solid objects.

A shadow can move faster than the speed of light. Chew on that.

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Matt Agajanian
6/27/2019 11:27:27 pm

Thanks for the explanation.

Kent againian
6/28/2019 04:23:19 pm

Didn't mean it as explanation, rather speculation. "Blue sky thinking" if you will.

Matt Agajanian
6/28/2019 06:45:22 pm

Hi Kent. That helps me put it in perspective.

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the bob lazar galactic trust
7/11/2019 04:16:51 pm

Robert Scott Lazar is a man of few words but awesome graphics. His website is awesome because he only needs one page to reveal the truth about UFO propulsion. You will become awesome too when you read it and learn how you can travel to whatever galaxy you want.

http://www.boblazar.com

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