Segment 1 The episode opens here in the Hudson Valley with Communion author Whitley Streiber recounting his abduction by creatures that he never quite identifies as Grey aliens. In the book, the aliens sexually assaulted him (his was the most famous anal probe ever), but here on the show, his abduction has been sanitized for family viewing. The show goes on to describe other 1980s UFO sightings along the Hudson River. Hundreds saw the UFOs, but as Unsolved Mysteries and Discover magazine both reported, the sightings were actually of groups of amateur pilots flying in formation. Ancient Aliens ignores this and claims that the entire area from the Hudson Valley to Maine—covering parts of seven states!—is a vortex. Nonsensically, this leads the show to ask if there is a connection to Druid colonization of New England. No, it doesn’t make sense. The show then takes us to America’s Stonehenge in Salem, New Hampshire, a set of colonial-era cold cellars that were mistaken for Celtic temples by fringe history believers. The show takes at face value Barry Fell’s laughable claim that scratch marks at the site are Celtic Ogham writing. We go to commercial without making any sort of point except for the racist one that we should be giddy at the thought of Europeans in the pre-Columbian Americas. Segment 2 Hugh Newman explains that many people think that the stone chambers in New England are colonial root cellars, but he and Whitley Strieber deny that they could have functioned as such. Strieber alleges that the chambers are three thousand years old and have some story of “feeling” that proves they are not meant for storing vegetables, cider, or other goods. William Henry says they are “virtually identical” to Druid structures, though the show conflates the Druids with the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the British Isles. None of the men has any idea how colonial people stored goods, so their feelings about the chambers carry rather little weight. The show next decides to tell us about the Druids, whose knowledge they attribute to the Tuatha De Danaan. I discussed this years ago in detail, but suffice it to say that the Tuatha De Danaan are euhemerized pagan gods. The show mixes and matches details from the extant sources and then misrepresents them as arriving in flying ships. This conflates two versions of the story, one that involved them arriving by air in a cloud and the other by sea in a ship. I wrote about this in my previous account. Following this, the show discusses a nineteenth century report of two seven-foot tall skeletons found in Connecticut, which the show relates to (fabricated) Native traditions of red-headed giants. (The claim is a wild exaggeration of a line from Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, who had an old lock of hair that had turned red as it faded with age. She said that the hair belonged to an ancient giant.) Andrew Collins claims that because Celtic people have red hair, red-headed giants are therefore Irish supermen. Segment 3 The third segment takes us to North Salem, NY, where David Childress and Hugh Newman go to visit the “balanced rock,” a set of rocks deposited by a glacier that the men and Andrew Collins believe was created by Druids in the manner of a European dolmen. Childress and Newman simply can’t accept that a glacier could set down a rock, so they falsely claim it is “identical” to a British dolmen. Most dolmens are much taller, for one thing. The rock in New York is elevated only by a foot or two atop the smaller rocks it settled on. Childress and Newman discuss the piezoelectric effect, which Newman says the rock demonstrates, indicating an energy vortex. Childress plays the fool and pretends not to know anything about this, even though in earlier episodes he led the discussion of the piezoelectric effect in Egyptian obelisks. Whitley Strieber calls the balanced rock one of “the great structures of the past.” But it’s just a rock on the side of the road next to somebody’s garage. Childress rapturously declares that the Tuatha De Danaan and the Irish “chose this spot” because it is a “vortex.” Somehow the discussion manages to sidestep the fact that there were Native people living in the area for thousands of years before the Irish showed up to whiten the landscape with their Caucasian majesty and call down the divine from the heavens in ways that the benighted Native people could not. Segment 4 In Putnam County, NY, Childress and Newman arrive at another colonial cold cellar that they suggest is both British in origin and a focus for UFO activity. The narrator suggests that the “same” builders constructed both this chamber and Stonehenge, and I am not certain at all that they understand that the Druids did not build Stonehenge. In Hartford, Conn., we look at Gungywamp, an archaeological site composed of Native American and/or colonial-era stone structures, many being root cellars. As archaeologist Ken Feder explained, the site’s stone circles are the remains of a mill used in leather-making. The show declares this al a Celtic site designed to channel vortex energy, even though its recumbent stones bear no resemblance to the standing stones of European megalithic circles. Segment 5 The fifth segment describes Celtic (here called Druid) human sacrifice, which it attempts to relate to America’s Stonehenge. At America’s Stonehenge, a colonial apple press used for making cider is displayed as a “sacrificial table,” but I have lain on that table as though a human sacrifice (I was a teen—it seemed fun) and can tell you that it would be rather ineffective as a table of sacrifice. There is no easy way to strap down a person on it, for example, and Collins exaggerates when he calls it “huge.” It barely held me when I was a young teen, and I am hardly a tall man. The narrator tells us that this proves that the Druids left an “indelible mark” on America, presumably much more than Native peoples, who might have been expected to have something to say about meeting all these alien-worshipping, super-powered Irish giants. Even Strieber seems content to associate supernatural, spectral, and divine aspects of North America with Europe and with white men. It’s all very strange considering that the Druids first appear in the historical record in the fourth century BCE, though presumably deriving from earlier Celtic and proto-Celtic priests and shamans. The Celts, an Indo-European people, only emerge in the historical record around the eighth century BCE, and therefore have no connection to the British and Irish megalithic cultures of thousands of years prior that the show conflates with them. Segment 6
The final segment tells us that Strieber believes that colonial root cellars can help him communicate with other levels of reality and can empower us to manifest space aliens—sorry, “entities,” since he doesn’t use the ET term—in our reality. This is bullshit. If you can manifest a space alien by sitting in a glorified pantry, go ahead and bring one here. Strieber also claims that when he goes into rooms he forgets why he is there and “loses” time. The show compares this to the story of Rip Van Winkle, which the show strangely enough recognizes has European origins. They are wrong that the story of Rip’s “lost time” is a Celtic “fairy” story, however. It’s a derivative of the ancient “sleeping king” myth, which is found in stories as diverse as King Arthur, Charlemagne, and Odin. It has nothing to do with aliens abducting people and everything to do with the longing for the return of great men from the past to signal the return of virtue. I wouldn’t expect this lot of corrupt intellectual prostitutes to know anything about that.
102 Comments
TONY S.
7/19/2019 10:50:55 pm
"corrupt intellectual prostitutes" : one of your best phrases ever. Although I would argue that " ANTI-intellectual" might be a better fit.
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Donna
7/21/2019 09:07:56 am
Latest breakthrough of mainstream “science”. Stonehenge was built using pig fat. Do they believe it themselves:)?
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TONY S.
7/21/2019 03:24:09 pm
And the purpose of this is? What's your point?
Paul
7/21/2019 11:40:39 pm
Stonehenge was not built using pig fat, it would have melted and turned rancid long ago. The pig fat was merely used as a lubricant, possibly. Go back to pseudohistory.
Asdf
7/22/2019 05:22:43 am
Khufu must have built his pyramid using camel fat.
Lemmiinks
7/19/2019 11:07:23 pm
The druids did not build Stonehenge?
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TONY S.
7/19/2019 11:40:07 pm
The current consensus amongst scholars is that Stonehenge predates the Druids.
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BigFred
7/20/2019 06:09:52 pm
Okay, I'll be the one to point out that Lemmiinks' quote is from a song by Spinal Tap. Google it.
TONY S.
7/20/2019 06:22:10 pm
Lol yeah, I was coming of age when it came out. just thought it was his silly way of saying that he was under the impression Druids did build Stonehenge. 7/21/2019 12:26:32 pm
Hate to even appear to support the New England Colonial-Age structures as Druid Beehive cells; which the British originals were actually Dark Age Saint's hermitage retreats although doubtless using older native architectural methods.
Zal
7/20/2019 12:10:08 am
The current consensus among kooky pseudoscientists is that the word “Druid” sounds cool and mysterious and it must be connected to anything ancient and British, especially Stonehenge.
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Zane
7/21/2019 06:13:43 pm
I'm a reformed Druid. I only worship shrubbery....thank you M*A*S*H
E.P. Grondine
7/20/2019 08:53:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXzzHM8zLw
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E.P. Grondine
7/20/2019 08:57:42 am
If the sites mentioned were properly excavated, then we would know what they were.
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Tudlaw
7/20/2019 05:28:56 pm
How and why would you excavate a "site" consisting of a large rock completely above ground? I will say the "site" has already been excavated: the surrounding smaller rocks were removed to make the land usable and the stones put to use. The big one was left because it's stupid heavy (north of 150 tons) and looks cool.
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Ken Feder
7/20/2019 06:46:40 pm
Not Balanced Rock, but here’s a terrific site excavation report for the Acton Stone Chamber in Massachusetts. It’s a 19th-century farm outbuilding. https://www.plymoutharch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/actonstonechamber.pdf
Kent
7/20/2019 08:46:44 pm
This is a "we need to dig to restore this thing" project, not a "we need to dig to find out what this thing is" project. It's equivalent to digging a trench around a house to fix faulty waterproofing.
Ken Feder
7/20/2019 09:56:40 pm
Just to clarify: the pdf for which I provided a link is a detailed site report of a professional archaeological investigation of the Acton stone chamber conducted as part of a restoration project. An archaeological excavation is pretty common in historical restoration projects, especially when the resource is being considered for a National Register nomination (which was the case here). Though there wasn’t any great controversy about the age or function of the chamber among historians, the project was a fantastic exercise in using the archaeological record to support or refute varied hypotheses about those issues.
Kent
7/20/2019 11:16:14 pm
Which hypotheses did they support or refute?
E.P. Grondine
7/21/2019 09:35:22 am
When a site is properly excavated, debris and refuse from construction and use is found. Those materials pretty much put bring speculation to an abrupt end.
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Homer Sextown
7/21/2019 06:12:25 pm
As one of our former posters would have said "Chief go heapum powwows". And you bring them your wisdom.
TONY S.
7/21/2019 06:44:27 pm
Are you that former poster? I believe that's an Americanegro classic.
DEB
7/22/2019 08:10:29 pm
There are those European mummies in a Chinese desert with red hair. Shoot, Rameses II had red hair.
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Accumulated Wisdom
7/23/2019 01:05:34 am
Those "European mummies" have Asian DNA. Churchen Man and Woman. They have pretty killer facial tattoos.
FIFY
7/23/2019 05:22:52 pm
Cherchen Man or Chärchän Man or Ur-David. Not "Churchen".
Accumulated Wisdom
7/23/2019 06:40:54 pm
Fify,
Kent
7/24/2019 05:20:21 am
You can be reliably counted on to:
Paul
7/20/2019 10:09:10 am
There was the time when one talked like these folks in these productions, that one would be burned at the stake as a witch or at least provided with a padded cell. Nowadays, more episodes are added. How can society advance if the young are getting sucked into the vortex of stupidity?
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Ann Matthews
7/20/2019 10:28:19 am
I lived in Kent, NY, Putnam County in the 1980s. The residents, police, sheriff depts., along with State Troopers, Mayors and Town Selectmen all saw UFOs spanning several years. Ny City policemen and firemen had homes in Putnam County and saw and reported UFO sightings. Ancient Aliens is a show and will stretch a story line, but do not dismiss what happened. I don't care if the druids, vikings or aztecs were involved. You should be focussed on the unexplained events, not the interrpretaton of a TV show.
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An Anonymous Nerd
7/20/2019 08:09:24 pm
The interpretation of the show is pretty much what this article is about, as it is a review of the show. Alien-related and other Fringe interpretation of history, archaeology, and the like, is pretty much what this site is about, and what most of Mr. Colavito's writings are about.
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Jockobadger
7/22/2019 12:47:36 pm
Just a quick follow-up to Ann's comment. I don't watch AA or actually any of other shows covered here. I visit the site to read/skim Jason's work and then read the comments. This site has very interesting and oftentimes hilarious comments section. Love it. I too miss Hugh, AN, etc. Where did they go?
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8/4/2019 10:38:43 pm
The chamber on the show was one on land in Kent my family has owned since about 1940.We've always considered it a root cellar and my father told me an old-timer long ago had told him of its construction.
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Ken Feder
7/20/2019 02:22:38 pm
Wait; did they say they went to Gungywamp in Hartford? Gungywamp is located in Groton, in southeastern Connecticut, about an hour away. It was a farm. The double stone circle was almost certainly an abandoned bark mill. There are nineteenth- and early twentieth-century photographs of similar and operational examples. Nothing Druidical or spooky about it.
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Deb Maddrell
7/20/2019 03:21:19 pm
As far-fetched as some of these “connections” seem to be, it’s inaccurate to characterize the theories of prehistoric “discovery” of North America as racist.
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Kent
7/20/2019 06:44:36 pm
There is at least a racist subtext: the Indians didn't do X,Y, or Z because imaginary people from abroad did it. It's the New Age Barry Fell fueled version of "You didn't build this."
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DEB
7/20/2019 07:26:00 pm
Well, maybe. But I honestly think it's more that these constructions are so (apparently) different from those of the people first encountered by Europeans that the latter were just trying to make them fit into a known context.
Kent
7/20/2019 07:53:39 pm
Uh, with all due respect, "50 years ago" is 1969 so your second paragraph is nonsense.
Kent
7/20/2019 09:25:00 pm
"But I honestly think it's more that these constructions are so (apparently) different from those of the people first encountered by Europeans that the latter were just trying to make them fit into a known context."
Deb
7/21/2019 01:40:35 am
I think I’d rather watch you go off the rails again as you garble out your deranged theory about Soviet spies sleeping with FDR in the Lincoln bedroom.
Joe Scales
7/21/2019 09:59:49 am
I'm sure you'd rather watch Kent do anything other than hand you your ass. But here we are. Your ass on a platter..
Kent
7/21/2019 11:06:48 am
While we have had many Presidents who liked to get their bone on, and the President is the 800 pound gorilla, the Lincoln Bedroom is for guests. It's possible that Clinton was the first to monetize it.
Deb
7/21/2019 03:07:01 pm
I’m not sure what is more pathetic, Kent’s pathetic attempts to come across as intellectual as he spouts off conspiratorial nonsense and non-sequiturs, or the fact that the buffoon Joe Scales has been reduced to to the role of Kent’s cheerleading fluffer!
The Zealots
7/21/2019 06:15:10 pm
"Deb" is Anthony Warren.
Joe Scales
7/21/2019 08:40:31 pm
Ding-Ding-Ding
DEBRA MADDRELL
7/22/2019 08:42:36 pm
Fifty years ago, the excavations and explorations in Meso-America were not widely published, is what I meant.
Accumulated wisdom
7/23/2019 12:22:06 am
Do you you still think that Deb is Anthony Warren you bird-brained imbecile?
Pacal
7/28/2019 06:27:01 pm
Regarding this:
An Anonymous Nerd
7/21/2019 11:50:10 am
No, the term racist is appropriate, for two distinct but related reasons.
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NOBODY CARES
7/23/2019 12:52:24 pm
The dude is definitely a man on a mission, but you're not the only one that sees it. It seems like the original goal of his blog was to offer people a central location to fact check the outrageous claims made by the show. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, his articles started to sound more and more like this one. It's like he doesn't realize he's labeling all the talking heads, authors, executives, writers, publicists, actors, and producers of AA closet racists. Of course each person must have the same (or remarkably similar) nefarious motives, but no individual speaks out about the History Channel's secret racist agenda. The show is a big scary monster that must be slain at all costs - even slander is on the table. It kind of sucks though. The facts really don't need all of the extra "help". Whatever...it's his blog. Hail Hydra.
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7/24/2019 12:01:52 am
It's a red herring (not red hair) to claim finds of ancient Ogham in the USA is "racist". Some archaeologists don't investigate claims asserting another excuse: "cultural inappropriateness". Linguist and author Barry Fell missed the mark on some translations, yes.
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vonmazur
7/20/2019 09:55:05 pm
Are back to the Italians hating the Irish? NBC theory? (No one before Columbus) I lived in NE and watched the fights with the Yankees and Red Sox fans...So it is very prevalent in that part of the world, but of course the materiel presented in the show was baldersash...
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James
7/21/2019 09:27:17 am
Just so you know the credibility of my opinions, I work at America's Stonehenge (although I am in no way reflecting the opinions of the owners in this writing, and I am only attempting to point to some pieces of evidence that were not mentioned in this latest episode of Ancient Aliens that you don't seem to know).
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James
7/21/2019 09:41:03 am
I also want to add that the sacrificial stone (or cider press as you call it) could very easily have been used for animal sacrifice instead of human sacrifice. Also the complete lack of orchards for miles around kind of removes the idea that it was used as a cider press. The use of the stone table for sacrifice is just a theory, and again, no theory should be immediately dismissed, but it is very unlikely that the stone was used as a cider press. The stone was nearly completely covered by brush until the 1930's when the site was excavated by archeologists which means the table was most likely never even seen by colonial era farmers or the family that lived on the site in the early 1800s.
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Paul
7/22/2019 08:06:19 pm
http://www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/2002/02-01/archaeology.htm
Joe Scales
7/21/2019 10:06:37 am
"First, please do not lay on the sacrificial table or at other structures at America's Stonehenge. "
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James
7/21/2019 03:11:38 pm
It is not stupid. Just because you do not appreciate history does not make it stupid.
Joe Scales
7/21/2019 08:45:41 pm
Oh, I appreciate history. Just not imbeciles such as yourself James who falsify it; ignorantly or otherwise.
James
7/22/2019 05:08:25 pm
Alright let's not get carried away with childish insults. I can assure you I am not ignorant, and I do not falsify anything Joe. Whenever you are ready to stop throwing insults and actually start contributing to the conversation like an educated adult, please do so.
Joe Scales
7/22/2019 08:51:59 pm
Nothing childish about it. It is simply the truth. You James are an imbecile. Now I could waste oodles of bandwidth like other guests here rubbing your nose in it, but I'd rather just cut to the chase. You promote fake history. You have no applicable credentials. You are an imbecile.
Jim
7/21/2019 10:58:39 am
"Second, the chambers at America's Stonehenge have no record of ever being used as root cellars, and are in fact very similar to European constructions."
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Doc Rock
7/21/2019 01:20:28 pm
My understanding is that by the late 17th century English settlement had penetrated much further (relatively speaking) into the interior of New England than most people in the present think. However, the frontier areas of New England were depopulated during King Phillips war. This was also about the time that the French began to use their Native allies to contest English movement into the interior. As a result it was several generations before new settlers returned to the areas of earlier settlement. Not many had a lot of knowledge, if any, of settlement before. Upon finding overgrown, apparently ancient stone walls, foundations, root cellars, cider presses, etc. some reached the conclusion were the remnants of settlement from centuries before. The fact that these ruins looked a lot like similar structures back in the British Isles helped play into the narrative of ancient settlement by Europeans.
James
7/21/2019 03:18:24 pm
What I meant by the structures reflecting European construction was that the chambers are similar to ancient European structures, not colonial period structures.
Doc Rock
7/21/2019 03:57:14 pm
My understanding is that the owner of the site back in the 30s decided that it was ancient European and so "reconstructed" various stone structures to reflect what he thinks ancient European should have looked like. There may have even been some additional 19th century alterations to use the "chambers" for storage rather than colonial era purposes. So, there's that when it comes to any structures that may look very different from 17th or 18th century colonial structures. .
James
7/21/2019 06:03:20 pm
Doc Rock, the reconstruction made by Goodwin in the 1930's was only partial and just to a few of the walls on the site. If you take a close look at the walls you can see clear evidence of where the original wall begins and where the reconstruction begins. The original wall is tightly fitted and very sturdy with little to no gaps in the stone work except for intentional windows or doorways. The reconstructed stonework was quite rushed, leaving gaps and other inconsistencies that show a clear definition between what is original and what was rebuilt after the damage done by quarries and children that essentially used the hilltop as a playground in the early 20th century. There are still many unaltered stone walls farther out from the main site that are completely original.
Doc Rock
7/21/2019 06:23:53 pm
My point about areas occupied prior to King Phillips War was that it is difficult to set an exact 18th century date for a given site and state that it was the first European occupation. The fact that prior settlement was sparse is pretty much part of the point of later arrivals not being aware of earlier isolated settlement, I don't know if that could be the case here. I just raised this issue in terms of the King Phillips War because finding what appears to be ancient ruins in frontier settings previously thought to be unoccupied by Europeans is not really evidence that a site should be attributed to ancient Europeans.
E.P. Grondine
7/22/2019 09:47:58 am
"Also, there is no real reason to discount the theory that Native Americans constructed the site. With so many artifacts directly linked to Native American tribes using the area, this is certainly a possibility"
James
7/22/2019 05:18:52 pm
Doc Rock, the theory that ancient Europeans built the site was the one that was presented on the History Channel. That is why I am presenting evidence pertaining to that theory. Of course there is a great deal of other theories that also have evidence. What Ancient Aliens failed to do was present all of these theories in their episode which may be leading to some of your confusing (as long as I am not misunderstand you). The theory that a precolumbian Eurpoean civilization constructed the site is as stated, just a theory. We are currently doing a lot of research with professional archeologists to really nail down the exact origins of the site. The majority of the evidence I have seen points to precolumbian European construction, however the water is so muddy with a combination of professionals and lunatics on all sides of the debate that it is difficult to see what is truth and what is a rumor. I have done my best to weed out the conspiracy theories and provide the scientific evidence we have to the best of my ability, and it is up to you to draw your own conclusions. We can leave no door unopened and quite literally no stone unturned when searching for the truth behind so many of these mysterious sites.
Doc Rock
7/22/2019 08:36:00 pm
James,
Kent
7/21/2019 09:08:12 pm
"These are not scratches or geological anomalies, because they are clearly visible to the naked eye"
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James
7/21/2019 11:49:29 pm
No, it was actually Norman Fell — the actor who portrayed Mr. Roper in the American sitcom “Three’s Company.”
Jim
7/22/2019 10:18:22 am
Well on the plus side Norman Fell has more credibility than Barry Fell.
Jim
7/21/2019 04:39:31 pm
OK, James I will play along.
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Jim
7/21/2019 05:18:20 pm
https://phys.org/news/2015-09-america-stonehenge-hampshire-history-hoax.html
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James
7/21/2019 05:47:11 pm
The carbon dating corroborates our use of the alignment stones. Due to the Earth's tilt, the sun no longer aligns perfectly with these stones when viewed from the site. However, 4,000 years ago (give or take about 200 years) the sun would have aligned perfectly with the top of all of these stones. The carbon dating that was collected by real archeologists does have pre colonial and precolumbian dates. Whether these fire pits were used by precolumbian Europeans or Native Americans is still unknown, but it is still hard science that states people were here on the site before any colonists.
Jim
7/21/2019 06:59:10 pm
OK, so there were fires there about 4000 and 7300 years ago. Ummmm,,, evidence of nothing really.
Jim
7/22/2019 11:01:18 am
Here is another fun link:
James
7/22/2019 05:37:27 pm
Jim, yes at lot of the stones withing the main site were moved and damaged. However Goodwin did little to no work on the alignment stones.
Jim
7/22/2019 07:03:19 pm
James:
Doc Rock
7/22/2019 09:15:48 pm
Based on even a "little" reworking of the alignment of stones and getting to selectively pick the viewing spot(s) one could probably use the ruins of any given circa-1840 farmstead in Appalachia to find all sorts of interesting correlations to celestial events.
Jim
7/22/2019 09:29:47 pm
From Archy Fantasies:
Doc Rock
7/22/2019 09:40:19 pm
Or yet again those bastards at the Smithsonian struck very early and quickly and the artifacts and faunal and floral remains that one would expect to find at a site occupied by non-Europeans of the time were consigned to the pyre long ago.
Jim
7/22/2019 09:58:35 pm
What if the Smithsonians are in fact Templars ?
Doc Rock
7/22/2019 10:15:36 pm
Makes perfect sense give the lack of actual evidence. They were very careful to clean up after themselves during the centuries they were traipsing across North America. Then as insurance they later infiltrated the Smithsonian and used their positions to tie up any loose ends.
E.P. Grondine
7/23/2019 11:17:57 am
"Several archaeological digs have been done in the area. One of importance was led by Gary Vescelius in 1955 (Starbuck 2006). His team recovered over 7000 artifacts, all of which were Native American or 18th and 19th century in origin (Starbuck 2006, Crystalinks N.d.). These artifacts were noting out of the ordinary for the area and line up perfectly with what is expected from the archaeology in the area."
Jim
7/23/2019 12:40:51 pm
Sadly the chain of custody for any artifacts lead to the current owners of the property who of course have no expertise and promote the Stonehenge nonsense.
Doc Rock
7/23/2019 01:20:47 pm
Yep, the only diagnostic artifacts recovered in-situ clearly indicate what everyone says: Native American, Colonial European, and American. I think that is pretty much what everyone has been saying would be found there for a hell of a long time.
Kent
7/23/2019 07:12:58 pm
Why is the old man accusing Doc of "posturing"? Is he OK?
Drew
7/22/2019 02:48:34 am
What is the source for the story of Odin sleeping in a mountain? Is there really such a story?
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7/22/2019 06:56:48 am
It is my understanding that the story is a reconstruction based on the widespread sleeping king myth. Plutarch records one version among the Celts associated with a god he called Koronos, which seems to be the Celtic equivalent of Odin/Wotan in the story. Most of my books are still packed in boxes, but my memory is that scholars suggested it to be a Germanic story (I guess of Wotan) rather than a Norse one, but I'd have to look it up.
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7/22/2019 02:57:28 pm
Jason is probably thinking of the Germanic legend of King Karl and his troop, similar to King Arthur's enchanted sleep alongside his warriors. King Karl and His Army in Odin's Mountain
Accumulated Wisdom
7/22/2019 05:45:02 pm
Thanks for the recap of the “Game of Thrones” finale!
kent
7/22/2019 05:52:16 pm
"Mircea Eliade went into this in great depth in his concept of a Deus Otiosus or "Hidden God" who retires from the world, possibly to reappear or reawaken in a future time."
Accumulated wisdom
7/22/2019 06:38:52 pm
You know there was an episode of the “Arabian Knights” cartoon on the “Banana Splits” TV show that touched on those themes in a manner that I found to be quite subtle. I still prefer “Danger Island” though.
Accumulated Wisdom
7/23/2019 01:20:58 am
Please ignore the imposter.
Anthony Warren once scored seven touchdowns in one football game.
7/23/2019 08:06:20 am
The impostor made a better point than you did.
Kent
7/23/2019 05:19:14 pm
Actually he scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, "Spare Tire" Dixon.
TONY S.
7/23/2019 05:56:46 pm
KENT:
jezzy j
7/22/2019 07:20:12 am
"...the Tuatha De Danaan are euhemerized pagan gods..."
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Morgan Freeman
7/22/2019 05:11:28 pm
This reminds me of the time in Shawshank Prison when the Sisters dragged my friend Andy Dufresne down into their love nest under the laundry that they nicknamed the Root Cellar. That was the longest night of Andy's life.
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