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Review of Ancient Aliens S14E13 "The Constellation Code"

8/31/2019

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​When Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert published The Orion Mystery in 1994, their claim that the Egyptians had laid out the Giza pyramids to represent the stars of the constellation Orion sparked a cottage industry among so-called “alternative archaeologists” looking for constellation “alignments” at ancient sites around the world. Locations as diverse as the Hopi Mesas and the temples of Angkor Wat have seen themselves reimagined as “heaven’s mirror.” But like most modern myths, the constellation alignments are a contemporary fiction created through the selective application of imagination to sites that bear little to no resemblance to the constellations they supposedly depict.

​The claim that ancient sites reflected the stars, however, did not originate with Robert Bauval. In Antiquity, writers had noted that the Nile flood was associated with Sirius and the constellation of Leo. In the Middle Ages, the Arabs believed that ancient Egyptian temples and tombs had all been dedicated to the “stars”—by which they meant the seven planets of astrology (i.e., the five visible planets, plus the sun and moon)—and they had a bewildering array of legends about the connections between temples and stars. One medieval Arabic poem preserved by Al-Maqrizi pointedly asks if the Giza pyramids were “observatories for the planets.” The poet then added—pointedly, for our purposes—that they might also be “descriptions of planetary calculations” preserved in stone.

​Early modern European travelers discovered these stories when touring Egypt and proceeded to misunderstand them in spectacular ways. Since the Sphinx was a statue in a lion form, writers like George Sandys applied Antique stories and medieval myths (specifically, Pliny and Horapollo) to suggest that the Sphinx itself was a representation of the constellation Leo. Sandys wrongly believed the Sphinx to have a woman’s head, so he considered it to symbolize the passage of the sun between Leo and Virgo, a popular claim that persisted into the twentieth century. In the early 1900s, several different writers tried to apply the precession of the equinoxes to the Sphinx to “discover” that its Leo-Virgo symbolism (which did not, in reality, exist, since it depicts a man) targeted a date around 10,750 BCE.
 
At the same time, the astronomer Richard Proctor—ironically, a great opponent of wacky claims about Egypt—fed into the myth by misunderstanding yet another claim about ancient times. The Oxford don John Greaves had said in the late 1600s that the Egyptians had used the pyramids as platforms to observe the stars, and he had cited for support a passage in the Neoplatonist Proclus about Egyptians taking measurements of the stars. Proctor didn’t realize that the pyramid opinion belonged to Greaves, not to Proclus. He reasoned that it was ridiculous to assume that the Egyptians scaled the smooth-sided pyramids to sit atop their tiny apexes, so he concluded that the Grand Gallery of the Great Pyramid was used as a telescope while the pyramid was under construction. In this, Proctor built on the popular conclusion, dating back to the early nineteenth century, that passages in the Great Pyramid (at first thought to be the actual halls, later the so-called “ventilation shafts”) pointed to significant stars at the time the pyramid was built, around 2400 BCE. Similar claims were made for the temples, whose axes were already understood in the early 1800s to align to the rising and setting of important stars.
 
The point is that the elements were all there from a stew of facts (temple axes aligned to stars), misinterpretations (pyramids as telescopes), and fiction (ancient and medieval myths) in nineteenth century literature. Sirius Mystery author Robert Temple found all this material and from it created the unique—and uniquely unsupportable—idea that certain cities in Greece and Egypt had been founded in order to symbolize the stars of the constellation Argo, whose ancient stars preserved secrets handed down from space aliens from Sirius. Although he spread his ideas across the Mediterranean, Bauval—who wrote in The Orion Mystery about reading The Sirius Mystery and taking influence from it—made the scale smaller and thus more plausible, even if the actual claim still lacked support or proof. From there, Graham Hancock, Bauval’s onetime writing partner, started to look for constellations everywhere. Hancock and Bauval resurrected Sandys’s ideas about the Sphinx and claimed them as a discovery, and Hancock and his fans and followers soon found constellation symbolism in cities and buildings all over the world, even in places where the cultures had no constellations resembling those of the Greco-Babylonian system that had only come into its standard form around 500 BCE.
 
And now Ancient Aliens has decided to repeat all of its previous claims about this material from its many earlier episodes about stellar alignments for this waste of time episode. Our theme for this evening is “Astrology is real, y’all!” This is depressing enough. But the show features commentary from book editor Mitch Horowitz, who believes that rich people are successful because they wish really hard and the universe magically changes in response to their hopes and dreams. So, there’s that.
​Segment 1
We start with a discussion of the claim that rivers, streams, roads, earthworks, and fences in Glastonbury in the U.K. were intended to depict a full Greco-Babylonian zodiac. It takes some imagination to see, and there is no evidence that there are any particular features correlating to specific stars. Even with the show’s computer graphics, I still don’t see the zodiac in the landscape, not least because it requires enormous special pleading and a modern artistic eye to draw images to represent the constellations. Why, for example, is Gemini—the Twins—given as just one man?
 
Andrew Collins tells us that the sun passes through “twelve different constellations” each year, but this isn’t a universal truth. Constellations are arbitrary, and the number twelve exists only because there are twelve lunar months in the year. Otherwise, there was no particular reason to create twelve constellations. They are not obvious or natural.
 
The show then discusses astrology and its history, and the show wrongly ascribes the zodiac and the constellations to “the Sumerians” when the historical records indicate that the Babylonians developed the system we use today.
 
The narrator then claims that space aliens gave the “same” constellations to cultures around the world. Except they didn’t. The constellations just aren’t the same around the world. Compare the Chinese constellations to the Egyptian, and both to the Babylonian. Not similar at all. And none of these resemble the Inca practice of seeing pictures in the black spots between the stars of the Milky Way rather than in the stars themselves. 
​Segment 2
The second segment sends Giorgio Tsoukalos to Italy on yet another free vacation to a beautiful tourist destination to examine the astrological alignment of the stone acropolis in Alatri. Tsoukalos and a professor who studies archaeoastronomy claim that no sane people would build walls of heavy stones in cyclopean style, which seems to be a failure of imagination. Big stones that interlock are safer and stronger than walls of “horizontal layers” and “small stones,” as the professor says. The professor (who denies that the acropolis is Roman, as historians believe) claims that the acropolis is shaped like the constellation Gemini, though he seems to have used only selected stars, and part of the wall does not appear to align with the proposed star shape very well, even in the show’s computer graphic. I’m not even going to dignify the claim that Castor and Pollux—the Gemini twins—emerged from a “brown” egg with smoke and flame, which Tsoukalos and David Childress allege could be a UFO. It’s just not true.
Segment 3
The third segment discusses Babylonian and Sumerian astronomical knowledge, and the show seems to strongly imply that it believes that astrology has validity in terms of impacting human affairs and mediating between humanity and the gods. B-roll from earlier episodes about the Orion Correlation Theory decorates this segment, but there is no effort to defend the claim or speak directly of it.
 
This leads to a crossover between Ancient Aliens and Curse of Oak Island (both of which are produced by Prometheus Entertainment and air on the History channel) in which we see an excerpt from an episode of Oak Island in which Travis Taylor, self-described redneck rocket fetishist, alleges that Oak Island (the place, not the show) had been decorated with stones representing the stars of the constellation Taurus. This is of no interest to me, particularly since the island has only been occupied since colonial times, during which period, constellation knowledge and symbolism was well-known, even if I don’t believe that Taylor actually found any.
 
Somehow or another, this descends into a discussion of “multiple extraterrestrial factions,” a claim that comes out of nowhere and presumes the audience is familiar with the show’s own baroque mythology. What must a first-time viewer think?
​Segment 4
The fourth segment depresses me by taking too literally the claim that the sunken land known as Doggerland is the “British Atlantis.” Instead, the show misidentifies it as “Atlantis,” and this leads to a discussion about the alleged reality of Atlantis and its supposed technological superiority. The show falsely claims Atlantis was destroyed by Noah’s Flood and attributes the claim to “legend” and “some” people. Plato said the island sank, not that it was flooded. There was no legend. The identification of Atlantis with the antediluvian world before the Flood is a medieval idea taken up by Ignatius Donnelly. We then go way back to midcentury ufologist Brinsley La Poer Trench and the dumbass idea that the refugees of Atlantis built monuments around Britain, including the Glastonbury zodiac, to memorialize its wonders. This segment has so any repeat ideas from earlier episodes—Atlantis, the Tua De Danaan, etc.—that it isn’t even worth repeating myself to relate them. I will only say that the show claims that the ancient Irish gods were Atlanteans and/or space aliens and follows Donnelly and Helena Blavatsky in seeing Atlantis as the spiritual and cultural homeland of humanity.
​Segment 5
We return to Glastonbury again in this segment, and Andrew Collins tells us that in 1983 he experienced visions while undertaking a “quest” in the alleged zodiac. He said the felt compelled by his dreams and visions to visit all the parts of the zodiac, and he now believes that an intelligence beyond human lay behind his hallucinations. It’s hard to credit this with any sort of reality.
 
Finally—more than half an hour later—the show realizes that the Glastonbury zodiac has only one Gemini twin, and they then explain it with La Poer Trench’s special pleading that this was an intentional effort to locate the “other twin” in outer space! The show then relates this to quantum entanglement in order to claim that earth and the stars, human and aliens, are in communication now. Nice save, I guess, but it undercuts the idea that the supposed zodiac is an accurate representation of the stars. It can’t be both an accurate zodiac and a symbolic zodiac that is only partially or occasionally similar to the sky.
​Segment 6
In the final segment we look at the star chart painted on the ceiling of Grand Central Terminal in New York City. Mitch Horowitz alleges that the mural—which is painted backward, in case anyone cares—depicts the precession of the equinoxes, the slow backward movement of the stars relative to the calendar over time. Horowitz falsely claims that religious iconography is related to the constellation housing the sun on the spring equinox—Aries for the Jews and their ram horns, Pisces for Christ the fisher, etc.—a claim that makes no sense once you expand beyond the Judeo-Christian experience. The show then alleges that we are now in the Age of Aquarius, so a new religion will come to the fore, prophesying the return of the Aquarian aliens. The talking heads claim humanity is becoming more spiritual and connected to the cosmos, but that seems to be wishful thinking since the show itself wants us to believe that there was a time when we were all literally in communication with space aliens through star maps and talking stones.
45 Comments
Kent
8/31/2019 11:58:29 am

"...and proceeded to misunderstand them in spectacular ways." A process that never stops. As one of the local bedbugs wrote earlier this year:

"Same old misunderstood astronomy, geometric time, celestial alignments.

The Lion, Eagle, Ox/Bull and Man

These are the four fixed constellations.
The Griffin is a tetramorph denoting two of these constellations"

"Andrew Collins tells us that in 1983 he experienced visions while undertaking a “quest” in the alleged zodiac. He said [he] felt compelled by his dreams and visions to visit all the parts of the zodiac, and he now believes that an intelligence beyond human lay behind his hallucinations."

This sounds like John C. Lilly's Earth Coincidence Control Office [ECCO] and his musings about a malevolent Solid State Entity [SSE]. One wonders if Collins shares Lilly's documented enthusiasm for injecting ketamine.

http://seankerrigan.com/john-c-lilly-and-the-solid-state-entity/

"Everything's a constellation, man!"

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Mr. Bedbug
8/31/2019 02:01:22 pm

According to Bret Stephens, you’re an anti-Semite!

Sorry, I couldn’t make it through the rest of your comment — the murky style of prose was causing me to “experience visions.”

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Kent
8/31/2019 03:04:51 pm

He'd be right. I hate Jews. Orange Jews, Pineapple Jews, Cranberry Jews ...

Mr. Stephens needs to get his facts straight. Jews are termites, crazy people are bedbugs.

TONY S.
8/31/2019 06:45:09 pm

On the bright side, at least they're taking a break from trans-dimensional beings.

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TONY S.
8/31/2019 06:46:53 pm

The idea that Egypt was a colony of Atlantis also originated with Donnelly, if I remember correctly.

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Terri
9/1/2019 12:04:04 am

In the show I noticed that all of the so-called sacred sites had references to constellations and the zodiac. I used to think that this is nonsense but this episode made me rethink that. At first my response was the lost 13th zodiac symbol could represent Atlantis and that the different zodiac symbols across the planet would lead to that but then I remember that The Tri bar was used for spy satelites. That was their way of signaling their spy satilites!! Nothing more ! Nothing cosmic! Nothing ALIEN!!

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Rainbow unicorn
9/1/2019 01:17:19 am

Terri, I’m so happy that you were able to apply rational thinking in dismissing the illogical explanation in favor of what it clearly the actual cause of this baffling phenomenon.

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Kent
9/1/2019 01:31:07 am

I on the other hand think that when people talk crazy stuff like a disheveled homeless person wearing a "The End Is Near" sign they should be called out on it, and this Tri Bar satellite nonsense is one of those times.

TONY S.
9/1/2019 09:02:53 am

Well put, I agree completely.

Jr. Time Lord
9/1/2019 04:57:33 am

[ The Lion, The Eagle, The Ox, and The Man.

Q. What is the astronomical illusion of these four ancient emblems, and why are they thus associated together?

A. They refer to the four great angles of the heavens, where the equinoctial and solstitial points are situated, and the signs at these points are, according to ancient astrology, called "fixed signs." Each sign was, moreover, ruled by three gods, called Decans, the first of which in each sign was called "the powerful leader of three." The most important and powerful of these thirty-six celestial gods were the four DecanDe who ruled the four angles of the heavens, and the stability and perpetuity of the universe were supposed to be insured by them. They were also called Elohim, and the two who had their seat on the equator were believed to compel the sun to shine 12 hours over all the Earth, as well as to repel him, so that he moved on to the next sign of the zodiac in progressive order. The no less powerful Elohim, or Decans, who ruled the solstitial points, caused the sun to turn back at the tropics, and preserve the order of nature and of the seasons.
In all ancient astrological projections of the heavens, the four great angles of the zodiac, where these celestial gods were seated, were marked by the figures of the Lion, the Eagle, the Ox, and the Man----the constellation Leo being anciently at the summer solstice; Aquarius, depicted as a man pouring water from a jar, at the winter solstice; and Taurus, the Ox, or Bull, at the very equinox; well the other angle, or autumnal equinox, was marked by a flying eagle. The quadrants of the celestial sphere were also anciently occupied by the four bright stars Alderbaran, Regulus, Antares, and Fomalhaut. These were called "royal stars," and in them the four great Elohim were believed to dwell. To them Divine honors were paid and sacred images erected, in which the lion, the eagle, the ox, and the man were variously combined. These emblems were worshipped by all ancient nations. The priests and the initiated knew them to be nothing more than astronomical allegories, emblematic representations of the zodiac, but the superstitious people adored them as real gods. The Jews are obtained these four emblems from Egypt. Moses, however, forbade their worship, and taught the Israelites to use them to denote the points of the compass in the divisions of their camp, by means of banners on which they were pictured (Numb. ii). These celebrated emblems are there for of a purely astronomical and zodiacal origin, and, when properly understood (as they were by the initiated), teach many of the most important facts of astronomical science.]

"Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy"
Robert Hewitt Brown
Pages 92-93


The "Eagle" is now the Scorpion


This is the first part of the system. Quartering the heavens into four 90 degree angles

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TONY S.
9/1/2019 09:34:53 am

Quartering the heavens was also an idea that figured in Bauval and Hancock's THE MESSAGE OF THE SPHINX, back in 1996.

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Carnac Kent
9/1/2019 05:57:31 pm

Two oxymorons and a moron:

Stellar Theology
Masonic Astronomy
Anthony Warren

TONY S.
9/1/2019 07:17:19 pm

Indeed. Just mentioned the book to demonstrate that this nonsense is nothing new.

Jr. Time Lord
9/2/2019 07:37:32 pm

There is nothing new about this knowledge. As far as I can tell, this predates any known Civilization. Inherited Wisdom. This is not "nonsense" it provides the baselines for a Celestial Navigation System.

My biggest point at this time is the Lion, Eagle, Ox/Bull, and Man are NOT AN ALIEN SPACECRAFT. I need to learn more navigational terminology before, I can coherently covey the CNS and Global Position System inherent to this knowledge. I have an exquisite visualization, I lack the vocabulary to convey.

Keep in mind...The "Flying Eagle" is now the Scorpion and the important star is Antares. South

If you can expand your mind to the stories YOU ALREADY KNOW...A whole new level of understanding will manifest. I am familiar with 6 languages, 7 if you count Sign, and I still lack the ability to convey what my mind sees.



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Jr. Time Lord
9/4/2019 03:57:20 pm

"Aries

Arietus, IS USED BY NAVIGATORS TO COMPUTE LONGITUDE BY THE MOON'S DISTANCE.

Taurus

Alderbaran, WHICH IS MUCH USED BY NAVIGATORS.

Leo

Regulus is a very bright star, and is situated almost exactly in the ecliptic. It is, therefore, of GREAT USE TO NAVIGATORS IN DETERMINING THE LONGITUDE AT SEA.

Virgo

The bright star Spica, in Virgo, lies within the path of the Moon, and is of GREAT USE TO NAVIGATORS.

Aquarius

Fomalhaut, in Aquarius, which is almost of the first magnitude, and is USED BY NAVIGATORS."

"Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy"
Robert Hewitt Brown
Pages 25-27

Missing from Brown's list is Antares in Scorpio/Flying Eagle.

Anthony Warren Eats Used Food
9/4/2019 04:17:28 pm

Look Asshole,

Fomalhaut isn't in Aquarius, Shit for Brains.

Jr. Time Lord
9/4/2019 04:56:07 pm

kent envisions naked tsoukalos
9/4/2019 04:17:28 pm

"Look Asshole,"

I can't see you. Besides, I prefer vagina.

"Fomalhaut isn't in Aquarius, Shit for Brains."

Still incapable of thinking on my level.



[AQUARIUS AND PISCES

These are the last two constellations of the zodiac. The former is represented by the figure of a man, pouring out water from a jar, the ladder by two fish has joined at a considerable distance by a loose cord. Aquarius in the Hebrew zodiac represents the tribe of Reuben, and the Fishes Simeon. the stars and both of these constellations are small and unimportant, except Fomalhaut, in Aquarius, which is almost of the first magnitude, and is USED BY NAVIGATORS. This concludes our description of the constellations of the zodiac.]

"Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy"
Robert Hewitt Brown
Page 27

Quoted word for word.

Some things have changed position in 5,000 years, dude. The Pleiades used to be a bullseye. It's called Stellar Drift.

Jr. Time Lord
9/4/2019 05:08:44 pm

Autocorrect did it again.

latter NOT ladder

Stars "IN" both ...NOT "and"

Anthony Warren Eats Used Food
9/4/2019 06:25:25 pm

"I prefer vagina."

You'll never know if you don't try it.

E.P. Grondine
9/2/2019 10:28:44 am

Hi Jason -

You have stupid and then you have STUPID. This last weekend I spoke with paid archaeologists who did not know that the "Hopewell" and "Fort Ancient" were Shawnee ancestral peoples. They were rather completely and intentionally ignorant of work that was done nearly 100 years ago.

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Look to the Sky
9/2/2019 11:53:29 am

The Hopewell cultures represent the constellations, the Sun and Moon, and Venus.

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Kent
9/2/2019 01:23:53 pm

No one can know everything and as far as I know "What E.P. Grondine thinks is important" is not a recognized specialization in archaeology.

On April 9 of this year you wrote: "I am not intimately familiar with he Tanis site. I assume it is in Egypt."

Ironic given that it falls into the category of "What E.P. Grondine thinks is important".

You have stupid and then you have STUPID.

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A paid archaeologist
9/2/2019 02:17:27 pm

Thank you E.P Grondine for providing me the rare privilege of experiencing a senile old dingbat jabber incoherently about Dragoo, Neumann, and the Adena giants. That really made my weekend!

E.P. Grondine
9/2/2019 06:27:56 pm

Hi asshole (kent) -

Generally, the comet impact that killed off the mammoth and mastodon is considered important by everyone working in the field now. I first wrote about that in 2005, even before Firestone and Kennett. That is 15 years ago.

I usually expect other people to catch up about 15 years later.
Slower people (such as yourself) take far longer.

Kent
9/2/2019 07:23:13 pm

You do love your bad language, don't you Death's Door? Do you know anything about the Owatanidiutiam tribe?

A paid psychologist
9/2/2019 08:21:09 pm

E.P. Grondine, if you’re referring to one of the LSD induced flashbacks that you experienced while watching a rerun of “The Flintstones” that involved balls of light steaming through your mind like comets as you looked at cartoon woolly mammoths seeming to melt away on the TV screen, then we’re not discussing a major scientific breakthrough — but it’s possibly an interesting case of mental illness aggravated by daily drug use.

Kent
9/4/2019 12:12:16 pm

"Generally, the comet impact that killed off the mammoth and mastodon is considered important by everyone working in the field now. I first wrote about that in 2005, even before Firestone and Kennett."

Actually Ignatius Donnelly beat you to it in 1883.

"A study of Paleoindian demography found no evidence of a population decline among the Paleoindians at 12,900 ± 100 BP, which was inconsistent with predictions of an impact event. They suggested that the hypothesis would probably need to be revised."

Holliday VT, Meltzer DJ (2010). "The 12.9-ka ET Impact Hypothesis and North American Paleoindians". Current Anthropology. 51 (5): 575–606.

Buchanan B, Collard M, Edinborough K (August 2008). "Paleoindian demography and the extraterrestrial impact hypothesis". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 105 (33): 11651–4.

Haynes G (2009). American megafaunal extinctions at the end of the Pleistocene. Springer. p. 125.

Unpaid Archaeoogist
9/2/2019 04:32:36 pm

I seem to recall reading about an alliance between the Hominy Giants and the Hopewell cultures. Do you have any information on that?

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Kent
9/2/2019 09:06:05 pm

Again with the language. I guess that's something old people do.

"If you write about something I am ipso facto not interested in it."

Meant what I said.

Kent
9/2/2019 08:02:43 pm

Leaving aside the fact that if you write about something I am ipso facto not interested in it, the Tanis Site has nothing to do with mastodons or mammoths. An actual researcher would have looked it up by now rather than trying to bluff his way through like you did on April 9 of this year and again today.

https://psmag.com/environment/comet-claim-comes-crashing-to-earth-31180

This article covers quite a bit of the reasons for being skeptical of the Younger Dryas comet impact hypothesis and deserves to be read in its entirety except in cases of feebleness so you're off the hook. I find this part especially interesting, Firestone and Kennett's collaborator seems to have pulled a "Randi's Boyfriend":

"Indeed, the team’s established scientists are so wedded to the theory they have opted to ignore the fact their colleague “Allen West” isn’t exactly who he says he is.

West is Allen Whitt — who, in 2002, was fined by California and convicted for masquerading as a state-licensed geologist when he charged small-town officials fat fees for water studies. After completing probation in 2003 in San Bernardino County, he began work on the comet theory, legally adopting his new name in 2006 as he promoted it in a popular book. Only when questioned by this reporter last year did his co-authors learn his original identity and legal history. Since then, they have not disclosed it to the scientific community."

and...

"Speaking graciously of Kennett, Broecker lauded his friend’s early climate studies as extremely important. But when the comet theory came along, Broecker immediately was highly skeptical. Kennett repeatedly called him to lobby for the comet until Broecker cut him off saying he didn’t want to hear about the theory anymore.

“It is all wrong,” said Broecker, if not “very likely total nonsense. But he never gives up on an idea."

Kennett seems fixated on the Younger Dryas, Broecker added, “He won’t listen to anyone. It’s almost like a religion to him.”

Remind you anyone? The whole article is well worth a read.

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E.P. Grondine
9/2/2019 08:54:35 pm

dear shit for brains -

you can read my summary over on academia.edu

yes, there was an impact. as a matter of fact, there were two of them.

your objections are noted and ignored

Kent
9/2/2019 09:09:52 pm

Again with the language. I guess that's something old people do.

"If you write about something I am ipso facto not interested in it."

Meant what I said.

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E.P. Grondine
9/3/2019 09:12:34 am

Dear Pompous Twit -

Ah, but it is not just Kennett, it is everyone working with clovis age sites. You can read about their work in conference summaries. The death of ca 95% of the people living in North America at the time is also disturbing for most people. But then they do not have shit for brains.

Let me be real clear here: Your interests do not matter at all.

Kent
9/3/2019 11:16:23 am

How nice that you were able to work in one of your favorite words.

"Ah, but it is not just Kennett, it is everyone working with clovis age sites."

It's actually a lot of Clovis researchers who are providing evidence that contradicts Kennett. Make sense, old man.

You have stupid and then you have STUPID.

E.P. Grondine
9/4/2019 08:45:13 am

"It's actually a lot of Clovis researchers who are providing evidence that contradicts Kennett."

Since I'm regularly asked to provide skeletons, it does not seem too much to ask you for their names.

Kent
9/4/2019 11:30:46 am

I provided a link to the article old man. Get your caregiver to paste it into the browser.

You don't have stupid, you have STUPID.

Kent
9/4/2019 11:47:26 am

"The death of ca 95% of the people living in North America at the time"

Even with "ca" [c.] in front of it 95% is a remarkably precise figure. How many people do you think were living in North America at that time?

Kent’s cvnt
9/4/2019 04:52:21 pm

I’m sure that must have been a typo — it should have read, “The death of ca 95% of Kent’s brain cells after he drunkenly misread the label of a container of ‘Extra Strength Drano’ for ‘Younger Dryas’ and proceeded to add it to a cocktail of Strawberry Cisco and Ensure.”

Kent
9/4/2019 06:09:09 pm

"The death of ca 95% of the people living in North America at the time"

Yeah, sure old man.

"A study of Paleoindian demography found no evidence of a population decline among the Paleoindians at 12,900 ± 100 BP, which was inconsistent with predictions of an impact event. They suggested that the hypothesis would probably need to be revised."

Holliday VT, Meltzer DJ (2010). "The 12.9-ka ET Impact Hypothesis and North American Paleoindians". Current Anthropology. 51 (5): 575–606.

Buchanan B, Collard M, Edinborough K (August 2008). "Paleoindian demography and the extraterrestrial impact hypothesis". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 105 (33): 11651–4.

Haynes G (2009). American megafaunal extinctions at the end of the Pleistocene. Springer. p. 125.

K*nt
9/4/2019 10:34:02 pm

By the way, I had originally planned to respond by quoting Doors lyrics (or some other cliché filled old butt-rock song that I think conveys intellectual depth), but instead I decided to do a three minute Google search on a subject that I knew nothing about three minutes earlier. How did I do?

E.P. Grondine
9/5/2019 12:25:49 am

"How did I do?"

Piss poor, in as much as you are citing 10 year old papers that were refuted long ago.

Its 2019.

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Kent
9/5/2019 01:50:26 am

Refuted by whom? The League of Itinerant Demented Bic Lighter Sheath Hawkers? You cited your own self-published non-peer-reviewed publication from longer ago.

No doubt you can point out exactly where and when these papers were refuted? Throw in a skeleton or two if you like, old man.

"I decided to do a three minute Google search on a subject that I knew nothing about three minutes earlier."

All I need to know is that if E.P. Grondine, Emperor of "Asshole" and "Shit For Brains" says "this", one is safe in asserting "that".

I shat myself today
To see if I still smell
I touch my balloon knot
The only thing that's real

The comet tears a hole
The old familiar crap
Try to kill it all away
But I lie about everything

What have I become
My enemy
Everyone I know
Gets smarter in the end

And you could have it all
My empire of Bic Lighter Sheaths
I cannot get it up
I cannot make you hurt

I wear this lack of pow'r
Upon my stumble stairs
Full of dried out poops
I could not retain

Under the dim of age
Inhibitions disappear
You are much better
I am still an ass

Keep reminding yourself what year it is old man. That's a good survival skill.

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K*nt
9/5/2019 09:28:55 am

Let me just add that, while I spent three minutes googling the issues discussed above (sorry, “supra” is the fancy academic sounding word that I prefer to use), I worked on those song lyrics for over three hours last night in a failed attempt to mock someone whose comments I declared myself earlier to be “ipso facto not interested in.”

But at least I chose a song from the 90’s this time. Are you impressed yet?

Kent
9/5/2019 11:50:29 am

I said "If you write about something I am ipso facto not interested in it."

I don't consider Mr. Grondine's comments "writing". They are more in the nature of stool samples and stool samples must be examined by somebody. All I need to know is that if E.P. Grondine, Emperor of "Asshole" and "Shit For Brains" says "this", one is safe in asserting "that".

What Taylor Swift song would you like me use next time? Or are you Team Bieber? Perhaps you'd prefer something from 1909:

Way out west in a nest from the west was the bestest of the bronco boys
He could ride he could glide over prairies like an arrow
Every maid in the glade was afraid he would trade his little heart away
So each little peach made a nice little speech of love to him

"Pony boy, pony boy, won't you be my pony boy
Don't say no, here we go off across the plain
Marry me, carry me right away with you
Giddy-up, giddy-up, giddy-up whoa! My pony boy"

James Kirk
10/24/2019 05:51:45 pm

Wow, you guys have tempers. Aren't the pyramids NOT tombs? Tombs are painted.

I side with the non-tomb theory. It's not a tomb. Also, isn't the sphynx water eroded? So that makes it 12,000 years old, right?

Isn't the sphynx a dog? It's a dog, right?

Isn't building a pyramid expensive? So, why not build regular palaces, why a pyramid?

I'm still not clear on why build a pyramid. And why so many? Why not just one? And why there, why not slightly further away?

And is it made of hard rock or a stone polymer from a concrete type of mixed sludge?


Wasn't Imhotep an alien?

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        • Egyptian Texts >
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      • Medieval Texts >
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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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        • The Many Wives of Jesus
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          • Man During the Stone Age
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          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
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        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
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        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
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        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
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        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
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        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
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        • Fabulous Zoology
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        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
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        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
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        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
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        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
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      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
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        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
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      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
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      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
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      • H. P. Lovecraft >
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        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
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      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
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    • Miscellaneous Documents >
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      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
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      • Position of Viking Women
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      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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