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Review of Ancient Aliens S14E20 "The Storming of Area 51"

11/15/2019

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This week, Linda Moulton Howe of Ancient Aliens confirmed that she sold a chunk of the “Art’s Parts” metal slag she claimed fell off the Roswell flying saucer to the brain trust at To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science for $35,000 more than a year ago—before she appeared on Ancient Aliens to discuss To the Stars and its claims about alien metals. She said she cried when she sold it. Needless to say, neither she nor the program disclosed that she had a financial stake in To the Stars when the episodes aired. This kind of undisclosed conflict of interest would be wholly unethical in a newsroom—and Moulton Howe claims to be a journalist—but somehow is just fine for the History Channel, as long as the fake alien claims come fast enough to keep a declining audience (currently 778,000 viewers to In Search Of’s 869,000) entertained. Similarly, tonight’s episode topic, “The Storming of Area 51,” is also a bit of self-dealing since Ancient Aliens was not a neutral party. It heavily promoted the event on social media and streamed live coverage of it online. After helping to drive people to the event, it then produced this show as though it weren’t actively involved in celebrating the alien-themed festival.
Segment 1
The first segment describes the July 2019 internet joke asking readers to “storm” Area 51 in the hope of seeing the aliens rumored in UFO circles to be housed at the secret Groom Lake Air Force facility, using news clips provided by NBC News. The FBI visited event originator Matty Roberts asking him to report any attendees who had been “radicalized.” Roberts turned the event into a festival called “Alienstock,” but when the talking heads talk about “efforts” to “scale down the rhetoric,” the narration uses anti-government rhetoric (they say visitors “refused to be intimidated” for example) and blames the government for stopping a citizen revolt, carefully ignoring the fact that the show’s own talking heads, including Giorgio Tsoukalos, took to social media to tell their fans not to break the law by trespassing on the Groom Lake base. “I do not condone anarchy,” Tsoukalos said at the time. Tsoukalos went on to say back then that Area 51 “isn’t the place” where any alien evidence could be found. Somehow, however, that conclusion became inoperative as soon as the show decided to spin an hour out of thirty-year-old Area 51 conspiracies. Tsoukalos is a producer on the show, and yet he appears here (albeit only once, in a clip clearly taken out of context) in an episode premised on the exact opposite of what he claimed on social media to believe.
Segment 2
The second segment traces the history, real and fictional, of Area 51. Jeremy Corbell, the filmmaker who made bad documentaries about Skinwalker Ranch and self-described Area 51 whistleblower Bob Lazar, travels to Groom Lake with Nick Pope to film an on-location segment for the show. Corbell has a financial interest in Bob Lazar, who has a financial relationship with the publisher of his autobiography, To the Stars Academy, which in turn has a financial relationship with both Ancient Aliens talking head Moulton Howe and the History Channel, which producers TTSA’s flagship show, Shameless… er, Unidentified. It’s all very incestuous, with everybody making money in a big daisy chain, or perhaps circle jerk depending on how much you think they are simply pleasuring themselves.
Segment 3
The third segment deals with Lockheed Martin and a UFO sighting reported by the head of the company’s Skunkworks, Clarence “Kelly” Johnson, who went on to scout the location for Area 51. The second director of Skunkworks, Benjamin Rich, invented stealth air technology, and we get some hearsay from a colleague that Johnson offered a deathbed confession about UFOs and super-advanced technology. Then the show dips into the almost certainly false claims made by Bob Lazar, which the show has already covered on many occasions, including a June episode based on the same Corbell film recycled here for this episode. But that has to wait for a commercial break.
Segment 4
The circle jerk gets another dick when George Knapp gets added to the mix in the segment derived from Corbell’s film. You’ll recall that Knapp attacked me in an interview a year ago. Knapp, who recently launched his own UFO news site under the auspices of his employer, Nexstar Media Group, made his name in ufology by promoting Lazar’s outlandish claims in 1989 on KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, and once again it’s worth noting that Knapp wrote a book about Skinwalker Ranch at the behest of Robert Bigelow, who took government cash to study UFOs and space ghosts at Skinwalker Ranch and whose team members now work for TTSA, a company that I remind you has a financial relationship with the History Channel. Knapp also secretly lobbied then-Sen. Harry Reid to give Bigelow more cash by helping feed Reid UFO info and facilitating communication between Reid and Bigelow. Knapp and the ex-senator now have a regular series of conversations about Reid’s UFO interests. The segment includes footage from Corbell’s Bob Lazar documentary, which the show is promoting directly with repeated references to the documentary, by name, over and over.
Segment 5
The fifth segment talks to a former Air Force pilot named David Fruehauf who claims to be able to corroborate some of Bob Lazar’s claims. Fruehauf only speaks about the details Lazar gave about how government workers commuted to and from Area 51, and when he begins speaking about UFOs, it is obvious that he has no actual firsthand experience about UFOs but is instead arguing that if Lazar got the commuting details right, then he must be right about space aliens. That’s illogical. Ultimately, while skeptics contend there is no evidence Lazar worked at Area 51, it really doesn’t matter since someone who worked there could lie as easily as someone who didn’t, maybe even easier. (Alternately, he could have gleaned key details from people who actually worked there.) Some conspiracy theories are presented to suggest that the Pentagon is trying to discredit Lazar, but he has done a good job of that on his own over the years. He pleaded guilty to pandering, underwent bankruptcy, and started a company selling nuclear material only to have that company plead guilty to several criminal charges.
Segment 6
The final segment returns to the Area 51 “Storming” and repeats material from the first segment before suggesting that the gathering of UFO enthusiasts last September is the start of a “social movement” that they hope will grow year after year into a major mainstream global festival and protest movement. Gee, I thought that’s what Ancient Aliens’s AlienCon was for. The show expresses hope that the “next generation” of UFO researcher will come out of the movement, thus perpetuating an endless cycle of ignorant grifters demanding a “disclosure” that will never come. Nick Pope says that “a new generation” must “demand answers” from the government. If they really believed that, they might try running for office and gaining power, but apparently that is a bridge too far, more unrealistic than imagining that a shitty History Channel talking head show might change the world through speculation.
66 Comments
Iskanander
11/15/2019 10:51:20 pm

Holy Jaysus Christopher on a crutch.

I just stopped reading. But going back to read when I can bear it.

So, this episode just goes ahead and sews together AA and Tits&Ass like no one's been tracking this monumental bullshit??!!

Whaaat?

Good Lord, Jason, I'm praying the rosary for your poor sickened yes tonight. May you recover in time to enjoy Saturday. Try to sleep in.

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Iskanander
11/15/2019 10:53:58 pm

"Eyes", not 'yes'.

😊

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Kent
11/16/2019 01:48:38 pm

Jason, you've shown that TTSA paid LMH $35K, you haven't shown she has "a financial stake in" it.

"we get some hearsay from a colleague that Johnson offered a deathbed confession about UFOs and super-advanced technology"

In U.S. courts a dying declaration is one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule. Just sayin'.

"He [Lazar] pleaded guilty to pandering, underwent bankruptcy, and started a company selling nuclear material only to have that company plead guilty to several criminal charges."

You're being a tad harsh here. His company also sells glassware (no, not bongs) and other laboratory equipment. Do you have bananas in your house? Trijicon night sights on your legally manufactured with no serial number pistol? Radium dial watch? Smoke detectors? NUCLEAR MATERIAL! You breathe air? NUCLEAR MATERIAL!

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gdave
11/16/2019 02:27:47 pm

"In U.S. courts a dying declaration is one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule. Just sayin'."

Section 804(b)(2) of the Federal Rules of Evidence:

"Statement Under the Belief of Imminent Death. In a prosecution for homicide or in a civil case, a statement that the declarant, while believing the declarant’s death to be imminent, made about its cause or circumstances."

The exception for dying declarations is that a statement made by someone who is about to die, made about the cause or circumstances of their impending death, can be admitted even though that person isn't available to testify in court or be cross-examined. What a third party says about about what someone else supposedly said on their death bed is still inadmissible hearsay.

A "former colleague" making a claim about what Kelly Johnson supposedly said about UFOs on his deathbed is absolutely hearsay, both in the colloquial usage and in the strict legal usage.

If we had an actual recording of what Kelly Johnson said about UFOs on his deathbed, that would be something (and if he claimed that the UFOs had something to do with the causes or circumstances of his death, it might even be admissible in court!)

Kent
11/16/2019 02:56:53 pm

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us on to whom the dying person makes the statement and how that differs from your "third person"?

An "actual recording" is not hearsay. One wonders if this conversation took place in a one or two party state and if such a recording exists.

Swing and a miss.

But you are correct, this in fact falls under the Statement Against Interest exception, under the reasonable assumption that a non-disclosure agreement was in effect.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_804

Jim
11/16/2019 05:12:03 pm

"(2) Statement Under the Belief of Imminent Death. In a prosecution for homicide or in a civil case, a statement that the declarant, while believing the declarant’s death to be imminent, made about its cause or circumstances."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_804

"Declarant Law and Legal Definition. A declarant is a person who makes a statement, called a declaration, which is usually in writing and signed, under "penalty of perjury" according to the laws of the state in which the statement is made. ... A declaration is usually made by one person for the use of another."

https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/declarant/

Kent
11/16/2019 06:04:56 pm

Thank you for making clear that you don't understand that a written statement is ipso facto not "hearsay" you aggressively stupid racist idiot who thinks rape can be fun and entertaining. Now, which word did I misspell?

Let's break it down:

"Hear" - ear stuff
"Say" - mouth stuff

"usually in writing and signed, under 'penalty of perjury'"

"in writing and signed" - kinda different

A dying declaration is beyond "penalty of perjury".

I'd be very interested to read case law where a declaration against interest was ruled an instance of perjury. Extra credit if you can pull a unicorn out of your butt.

Jim, take a day off from stupidity. You need your rest. Jim.

This is neither rocket surgery nor brain science.

Wishing you all the best.
Less killing please.
XOXO Putin.
Bow to your sensei!

Jim
11/16/2019 06:55:23 pm

Except no one said Johnson's deathbed confession was heresay. You are misunderstanding or deliberately twisting what was said.

"we get some hearsay from a colleague that Johnson offered a deathbed confession about UFOs and super-advanced technology"

Kent
11/16/2019 08:04:40 pm

What part of calling it hearsay is not calling it hearsay, Rapebro?

Please stop the aggressive stupidity.

Jim
11/16/2019 09:27:11 pm

The hearsay my friend, was from a colleague, saying that there was a deathbed confession. You seem to be presuming that the confession was said to the colleague, this is unclear it could well be third or forth hand scuttlebutt.
Of the confession there was nothing mentioned, oral, written, certified or otherwise.

Jim
11/16/2019 09:46:44 pm

At least nothing said by Jason which is what you are arguing.

Relics of UFOs
11/16/2019 01:40:14 am

Relics of UFOs
Which religion does not have fake relics ??

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RELICS OF UFOs
11/16/2019 01:51:07 am

Supernatural Science, Episode 2: Miracles of Faith: Or Creations of Chemistry? (1999)

The Boxed Set on Video does not have this episode included.

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Putting this into context
11/16/2019 04:59:43 am

Any flying saucer approaching Earth would be picked up by the world's radar systems. We would know about it in 5 minutes and it would be no secret. All the stories about flying saucers and contactees are a load of rubbish and we should be looking at the people who are telling the stories and not looking at the skies. The Radar Systems are looking at the skies and they don't see flying saucers.


Tom DeLonge's UFO Research Company Paid $35,000 for 'Exotic' Metals That Might Actually Just Be Slag

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvge45/tom-delonges-ufo-research-company-paid-dollar35000-for-exotic-metals-that-might-actually-just-be-bismuth


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Kent
11/16/2019 01:01:01 pm

You have some interesting ideas about radar.

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Putting this into context
11/16/2019 02:12:03 pm

Some people have got some funny ideas about solid metal spaceships travelling many times faster than the speed of light and not crashing into planets, suns and meteors in the process.

Kent
11/16/2019 03:00:47 pm

Then perhaps you should take it up with them.

If there were less fucktatery going on around here, you'd be treated to fewer of my posts. Do your part.

Jr. Time Lord
11/16/2019 03:08:57 pm

One doesn't want to travel "through" space. One wants to have space move "around" them. The metal ship never moves.

Putting This Into Context
11/16/2019 03:28:49 pm

That only works in KPAX

Kneel Armstrong
11/19/2019 11:52:09 am

Cause it's not like NASA uses radar.

E.P. Grondine
11/16/2019 12:05:05 pm

Hi Jason -

In your analysis of AA, you leave out cost of production, repeat showings, and later DVD sales.

You have to remember that History Channel used to have to pay for product, often times to UK production houses, and then did not own it.

You also have to remember that for many people AA is simply fun, and entertainment.

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Jim
11/16/2019 12:32:12 pm

"You also have to remember that for many people AA is simply fun, and entertainment."

The same could be said for rape.
You don't think these shows negatively influence peoples beliefs and actions ?
Science is being put on the back-burners in favor of pseudo science.
Look at your own government.

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Kent
11/16/2019 01:17:14 pm

You have some interesting ideas about rape.

Jr. Time Lord
11/16/2019 01:46:31 pm

JIM
11/16/2019 12:32:12 pm

"Look at your own government."

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? Oh wait...

Jim
11/16/2019 02:08:19 pm

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/environment/weather/climatechange/climate-plan/reduce-emissions.html

Kent
11/16/2019 02:02:39 pm

Jason,

Tom DeLonge not LMH sold the refuse to TTSA. As I've said ad nauseum TTSA exists solely to funnel money to Tom DeLonge.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1710274/000114420419046318/tv530141_ex6-22.htm

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Jason Colavito link
11/16/2019 02:22:44 pm

She sold it to him and he to them, but since he is them, it's all the same thing. And Linda wasn't very clear about knowing whom she was dealing with and probably thought one to be the other since they are both, something like the Catholic view of the Trinity.

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Kent
11/16/2019 03:27:52 pm

Jason, don't go all Jim on me. You said Linda Moulton Howe (hereafter referred to as "she", "her", or "LMH") sold the space junk to TTSA for $35K. Assuming a cost basis of nothing, that's $35K of taxable income you're asserting LMH has. Now you say that DeLonge acted as a pass-through entity and transferred it to TTSA for $35K at no profit to himself? In what universe does that make sense?

The whole point of a corporation is NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Even when a corporation is set up with the sole goal of funneling money to one person.

Or are you saying that TTSA filed a false document with the SEC?

http://uforum.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-problem-of-ufo-artefacts-part-2.html

This article notably quotes Hal Puthoff as saying the slug of metal was sent "by email".

You seem to be depending on a writer for vice.com, uh, okay...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwp9z/ufo-researcher-explains-why-she-sold-exotic-metal-to-tom-delonge

Mikey Likey
11/16/2019 04:26:04 pm

You said Linda Moulton Howe (hereafter referred to as "she", "her", or "LMH") sold the space junk to TTSA for $35K. Assuming a cost basis of nothing, that's $35K of taxable income you're asserting LMH has. Now you say that DeLonge acted as a pass-through entity and transferred it to TTSA for $35K at no profit to himself?

I can't find where Jason said any of this, could you direct me ?

Kent
11/16/2019 04:37:00 pm

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-ancient-aliens-s14e20-the-storming-of-area-51

Mikey Likey
11/16/2019 04:42:21 pm

The whole point of a corporation is NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

What does this mean ?

Kent
11/16/2019 05:00:01 pm

It means I don't work for you.

Kent is Anthony Warren
11/16/2019 07:05:58 pm

That's your silly fault for being the offspring of Laurel & Hardy

Jason Colavito link
11/16/2019 10:51:13 pm

Vice magazine reported this week that Howe confirmed selling the metal for $35K and said that she sold it to TTSA. Since TTSA reported that it purchased the metal for the same price from DeLonge, the most parsimonious conclusion (unless everyone is lying) is that DeLonge fronted the cash and got repaid. Since he is literally the president of the company, it's not really a major difference except to bean counters and to lawyers giddy about being able to keep Linda Moulton Howe's name out of SEC forms.

Kent
11/17/2019 08:01:29 pm

I don't think the goal was to keep LMH out of the filing. Do they have to file a form when they buy office supplies? My guess is that the filing is required when an officer of a publicly traded corporation does business with the corporation of which he is an officer. Emphasis on "guess". It may even be voluntary and not required at all. I don't know.

Bhima
11/19/2019 04:24:02 pm

Tm DeLonge is worth about $80 million. How much money is there really for trying to "grift" about UFOs that someone worth that much would really give a shit? Or is it actually possible he firmly believes the ET hypothesis? Maybe he believes the multiple fighter pilots and military personnel, radar and video evidence?

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Jim
11/19/2019 04:57:18 pm

Who knows his motivation ? You don't. Perhaps he is simply an attention whore or a penny pincher.

Pat
11/17/2019 06:27:27 pm

So, back in 2005 there was a program called "Worlds Strangest UFO stories". It's hilarious because it is designed to poke holes in most alien theories. I actually purchased the series from Amazon, so I never lose it because when I need a good laugh, it works. While Giorgio T and his hair aren't in this series, Erik VD, Nick Pope and Jason (want to buy a used car?0 Martell are. Jason Martell looks like the idiot he is, but the most interesting things about this episode his Nick (deer in the headlight) Pope stating that while a part of the British Ministry of Defense he saw no evidence of UFO activity. Of course he was a low level bureaucrat so that is probably true, but it's awesome to see these guys. OH! David HC is in this too! https://www.destinationamerica.com/tv-shows/the-worlds-strangest-ufo-stories/full-episodes/have-aliens-invaded-scotland

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Earth aliens
11/17/2019 09:01:01 pm

I think the aliens might be from underwater or underground. If another intelligent species exists, then it’s more likely that it’s here in earth since the best candidate for a planet with intelligent life is that one where we already know an intelligent species has evolved.

Has anyone actually even seen a UFO in space or in orbit? Most UFO sightings are right here on earth. Maybe it’s because that’s where they’re actually from.

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Kent
11/18/2019 12:36:40 pm

Maybe it's because that's where most of the people are.

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NOBODY CARES
11/20/2019 11:55:59 am

All of the claims that Jason makes about how AA is aligned with a conservative ideology drives me nuts. I personally am a conservative. I live in the Bible Belt and almost everyone I know is conservative. My father is very liberal and he raised me to be liberal, but we just didn't see the world the same way. I don't really buy into Christianity, but I know a lot of people who do. I definitely see Jason's points about AA being twisted, incestuous, opportunistic, etc. But conservative? If he really believes that, he doesn't understand what it means to be a conservative. Whatever, I guess it's impossible for anyone to be truly impartial. All I can say is that nobody I know (and I mean not one single person) buys into the rain of crap pouring out of shows like AA on the History Channel.

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Bubba Fett
11/20/2019 12:37:06 pm

Try actually watching America Unearthed or Ancient Aliens in a room full of rednecks and get back to us.

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Kent
11/20/2019 03:59:59 pm

To be fair, rednecks ARE super scary.

Larry Tate
11/20/2019 04:38:29 pm

Scary but absolutely in love with the new Burger King veggie burger.

Doc Rock
11/20/2019 05:19:40 pm

Fellas,

Some rednecks are much scarier than others, especially when they are self-proclaimed experts who work with complex materials like "treasure books."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UTmIYLzRd4

Harry Hubbard at his absolute best. Best enjoyed after an extended liquid lunch that bleeds into an early happy hour. I'm always reluctant to follow youtube links but this is one that I have never regretted watching.

Joe Scales
11/20/2019 01:18:48 pm

Jason often associates two things he doesn't like, Fringe Theory and Conservative politics, generally with only confirmation bias as the motivating factor. However, he didn't do that with this one. Apparently for Jason, a Democrat politician actually getting in bed with the Fringe must be an anomaly, and not a reliable prognosis for future trending. I suppose however, you could consider Reid to be conservative... and tar him accordingly.

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AmericanNegrito
11/20/2019 02:44:19 pm

If by confirmation bias you mean using facts to make a solid argument regarding current trends then he is guilty as charged. But none of this is registering with you, is it McFly...

Joe Blow
11/20/2019 04:44:36 pm

Joe often associates two things he doesn't like, Jason and Democrats, generally with only confirmation bias as the motivating factor. However, he didn't do that with this one. Apparently for Joe, a Republican politician actually getting in bed with Putin must be normal, and a reliable prognosis for future trending. I suppose however, you could consider Trump to be a traitor ... and tar him accordingly.

Kent
11/20/2019 05:04:10 pm

At least he didn't look into Putin's eyes and gaze into his soul. - Bush
Or sign a nuclear missile treaty with him. - Reagan
Or let him stumble around the White House drunk. - Clinton
Or promise him "more flexibility after the election." - Obama

Jim
11/20/2019 06:42:39 pm

"At least he didn't look into Putin's eyes and gaze into his soul. - Bush"

Trump is Putin"s dog. He of course wouldn't look into Putin's eyes.

"Why does my dog look away when I stare at him?
Your dog is telling you he defers to you and does not want a challenge. In dog body language a direct stare is considered a challenge or a threat.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-my-dog-look-away-when-I-stare-at-him

"Or sign a nuclear missile treaty with him. - Reagan"

Nope not your Trumpy.

"US formally withdraws from nuclear treaty with Russia

The US withdrawal puts an end to a landmark arms control pact that has limited the development of ground-based missiles with a range of 500 to 5,500 kilometers and is sparking fears of a new arms race.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told CNN's Hala Gorani that the treaty's end is a "serious setback."

Kent
11/21/2019 12:56:30 pm

So abrogating a missile treaty and selling weapons to Ukraine is doing Putin's bidding? For the record I think these are both bad ideas, but still...

"What are these little marks on my ankle
Is there a tiny yappy little dog nearby?

https://www.quora.com/What-are-these-little-marks-on-my-ankle

Jim
11/21/2019 04:45:09 pm

Continued:

Kent:,,"Or let him stumble around the White House drunk. - Clinton"

So, ummmm, why don't you document when Putin was drunk at the White House ?

You can't because it never happened !!

Comrade Kent, you should be ashamed of not knowing the difference between Putin and Boris Yeltsin.

Americanegro, you should be ashamed of not knowing the difference between the White House and Blair House.

Yah, yah, yah, Do the happy dance
Yah, yah, yah, Kent is wrong again
Yah, yah, yah, Kent is always wrong
Yah, yah, yah.

https://www.history.com/news/bill-clinton-boris-yeltsin-drunk-1994-russian-state-visit

Kent
11/22/2019 11:55:28 am

Yes it was Yeltsin you incredibly aggressively stupid idiot. It's a well known story. FDR and Churchill did the same dance.

Do you also think I was saying Reagan signed a treaty with Putin?

If you could find some way to market your stupidity you would be wealthy. Jim.

You didin't get that I was liining up the President at the time with ths Soviet or Russian leader at the time? Jim.

Jimmy the Greek
11/24/2019 03:53:29 pm

"Do you also think I was saying Reagan signed a treaty with Putin?"

It has reached the point that Las Vegas bookies would take bets that any given statement that you make here is factually incorrect, unsubstantiated, derived from a misrepresentation of someone else's comments, or so poorly articulated as to lack any intellectual value. Answering the question above with yes is the safest bet at this point.

Jim
11/22/2019 01:28:21 pm

Sorry Kent, I wasn't aware that the word "him" refers to a Soviet or Russian leader rather than the specific person being discussed.

By the by Comrade, can you tell me why you don't approve of selling weapons to the Ukraine ? This seems to really, and I mean really with a capitol R, to only benefit Putin.

Kent:,,"So abrogating a missile treaty and selling weapons to Ukraine is doing Putin's bidding? For the record I think these are both bad ideas, but still..."

"abrogating a missile treaty" allows Putin to build said missiles without any backlash and accusations of breaking a treaty. Putin wants to build these missiles,,,big win for Putin. Doing what Putin wants you to do = doing his bidding.

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Kent
11/22/2019 05:35:27 pm

"By the by Comrade, can you tell me why you don't approve of selling weapons to the Ukraine ? This seems to really, and I mean really with a capitol R, to only benefit Putin."

Hmm, let's see. That's a hard sentence to parse.

Obama: No missiles to Ukraine.
Trump: Missiles to Ukraine.

Just so we're clear, which one benefitted Putin?

"Sorry Kent, I wasn't aware that the word "him" refers to a Soviet or Russian leader rather than the specific person being discussed."

So you DO think Reagan signed a treaty with Putin?

In my long experience with idiots you are one of the most idiotic.

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Jim
11/22/2019 06:33:09 pm

Hey Kent, do you do "English" ?

"By the by Comrade, can you tell me why you don't approve of selling weapons to the Ukraine ?"

Kent:,, "Obama: No missiles to Ukraine. Trump: Missiles to Ukraine."

So, no answer, just deflection ?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/him

Meaning of him in English
him
pronoun
used, usually as the object of a verb or preposition, to refer to a man, boy, or male animal that has just been mentioned or is just about to be mentioned:

Odd that it doesn't seem to mention "him" meaning a Soviet or Russian leader, what, old chap ?

"So you DO think Reagan signed a treaty with Putin?"

Um, no, Putin wasn't Premier until 1999 why would he sign a treaty with Reagan in 1988 ????
But then I don't think Cuba is west of Georgia, or the U.S. invaded Greenland.
Do you think Reagan signed a treaty with Putin ?

Kent
11/22/2019 08:40:51 pm

Jim. JIm. Nitpicking is not my thing but I will speak to you in your language.

"JIM
11/22/2019 04:53:34 pm
...
And with that I bid adieu to Joe Kent Scales Americanegro."

Your "adieu" game needs work.

"Um, no, Putin wasn't Premier until 1999 why would he sign a treaty with Reagan in 1988 ????"

Because when I referred to Yeltsin you tried to make it sound like I was referring to Putin you aggressively ignorant idiot.

Putin was never Premier, although he did become President in 2000, not 1999.
Russia doesn't have a Premier.

Gorbachev and Reagan signed the treaty in 1987, not 1988.

"By the by Comrade, can you tell me why you don't approve of selling weapons to the Ukraine ?"

So, "just deflection" to use your phrase ? How is the reason for my opinion relevant you aggressively stupid idiot?

"But then I don't think Cuba is west of Georgia"

Cuba is indeed west of Georgia the country but east of Georgia the state.

Absurdly and aggressively ignorant fish who thinks "Comrade" is some sort of insult, meet barrel. Jim.

Jim
11/23/2019 09:21:16 am

Kent:,,
"At least he didn't look into Putin's eyes and gaze into his soul. - Bush
Or sign a nuclear missile treaty with him. - Reagan
Or let him stumble around the White House drunk. - Clinton
Or promise him "more flexibility after the election." - Obama"

Jesus Christ Kent, this is what you said !
Now you call me stupid for not assuming you meant something completely different ?????

Kent:,, "Because when I referred to Yeltsin you tried to make it sound like I was referring to Putin you aggressively ignorant idiot."

You did not refer to Yeltsin, dumbass.

Kent:,, "Putin was never Premier, although he did become President in 2000, not 1999.
Russia doesn't have a Premier."

Putin became "Premier" or "Prime Minister" in 1999 when he got his (and when I say "his" I mean Putin not Yeltson) first premiership.

"The Premier of the Soviet Union (Russian: Глава Правительства СССР) was the head of government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). The office had three different names throughout its existence: Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars (1923–1946), Chairman of the Council of Ministers (1946–1991) and Prime Minister of the Soviet Union (1991). The term premier was used by outside commentators to describe the office of head of government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_of_the_Soviet_Union

Maybe you should educate yourself before you spout off !

Kent:,, "Gorbachev and Reagan signed the treaty in 1987, not 1988."

Right you are, it came into effect in 1988, my bad.

Jim:,,"By the by Comrade, can you tell me why you don't approve of selling weapons to the Ukraine ?"

Kent:,," So, "just deflection" to use your phrase ? How is the reason for my opinion relevant you aggressively stupid idiot?

Comrade Cop Out cannot answer because there is no answer that does not reveal his Russian sympathy's.

Kent:,, "Cuba is indeed west of Georgia"

Your stupidity speaks for itself.

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Kent
11/24/2019 02:15:36 pm

"Comrade Cop Out cannot answer because there is no answer that does not reveal his Russian sympathy's.

Kent:,, "Cuba is indeed west of Georgia""

Jesus Senate Bean Soup Christ you aggressively stupid idiot. If it makes you happy I will advocate for the extermination of everyone in Russia, including unborn babies and graphic novels that have not even begun.

Are you saying that Cuba is east of Georgia?

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Kent
11/24/2019 02:08:10 pm

It just keeps getting better. Memo to Jim: Join the rest of us in the 1990s, won't you?

"Putin became "Premier" or "Prime Minister" in 1999 when he got his (and when I say "his" I mean Putin not Yeltson) first premiership.

"The Premier of the Soviet Union (Russian: Глава Правительства СССР) was the head of government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). The office had three different names throughout its existence: Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars (1923–1946), Chairman of the Council of Ministers (1946–1991) and Prime Minister of the Soviet Union (1991). The term premier was used by outside commentators to describe the office of head of government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_of_the_Soviet_Union

Maybe you should educate yourself before you spout off !"

It's totes adorbs that Jim thinks President Putin is Premier of the non-existent Soviet Union. Jim. He assigns to President Putin two titles he never held, "Premier" and "Prime Minister" and predictably gets the year wrong. Jim.

In the words of Bea Arthur, Jim is "one chromosome away from being a potato". Jim.

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Jim
11/24/2019 02:42:18 pm

"On 9 August 1999, Putin was appointed one of three First Deputy Prime Ministers, and later on that day, was appointed acting Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation by President Yeltsin"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#1999:_First_premiership

Perhaps Kent you could point out where I said Putin was Premier of the Soviet Union ???

You can't dough-head.

Premier, Prime Minister, same old, same old, same meaning like dog and canine. I suppose I could have said Глава Правительства but I used an English translation.

And now my red friend, I find myself wondering why you won't explain why you are against selling weapons to the Ukraine.
You look like one of those novelty bobbing ducks.
C'mon Comrade you like to spout off, enlighten us.

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Kent
11/24/2019 05:34:50 pm

Your lack of knowledge of Russian and your shifty eyes, one might even say short eyes betray you, Comrade. Jim.

You are implicitly asserting the infallibility of Wikipedia headings. Jim.

Do you even notice that the text designates Putin by his correct title contradicting the heading? JIm.

Глава Правительства means "Head of government", not "Premier" or "Prime Minister". The Russians have words for those things you idiot.
Jim.

Russia still does not have a Premier (премьер). When Putin was Prime Minister (премьер министр), he was subordinate to PRESIDENT Yeltsin. Jim.

You can say "Orange equals blue" but that doesn't make it true.

"Putin became "Premier" or "Prime Minister" in 1999 when he got his (and when I say "his" I mean Putin not Yeltson) first premiership.

"Perhaps Kent you could point out where I said Putin was Premier of the Soviet Union ???"

-- You implied it when the only reference you could find was to a Soviet era term. I'm sorry you fucked up, but not my problem.

"The Premier of the Soviet Union (Russian: Глава Правительства СССР) was the head of government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). The office had three different names throughout its existence: Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars (1923–1946), Chairman of the Council of Ministers (1946–1991) and Prime Minister of the Soviet Union (1991). The term premier was used by outside commentators to describe the office of head of government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_of_the_Soviet_Union Jim.

If this is the hill you want to die on, I say go for it. I'm not familiar with Canadian tax law but there may be some benefit to doing things this year rather than next year. Jim.

You really are incredibly stupid and unable to let go of it. Jim.

Weapons to Ukraine? No compelling national security interest. Jim.

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Double Jeopardy
11/24/2019 10:10:05 pm

I'm confused. What the hell?

Jim says Putin was Prime Minister in 1999
Kent says he wasn't
Jim says he was
Kent says Jim is wrong, Putin was Prime Minister in 1999

That's something, is Kent Rudy Giuliani?

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Jim
11/25/2019 12:14:42 am

Psssst. Double Jeopardy, keep this on the down low !
If our Russian expert Kent hears this his head will explode.

Putin was Prime minister of Russia twice ! ! ! ,,,1999 and 2008 as well ! Not bad for a guy that Kent said wasn't ever Prime Minister.

"2008–2012: Second premiership
Putin was barred from a third consecutive term by the Constitution. First Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev was elected his successor. In a power-switching operation on 8 May 2008, only a day after handing the presidency to Medvedev, Putin was appointed Prime Minister of Russia, maintaining his political dominance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

Also, don't let Kent see this article showing that Prime Minister and Premier are interchangeable, considering how unstable Kent is now this might completely unhinge him.

"President Pick Would Name Putin Premier"

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/world/europe/12russia.html

Jim
11/25/2019 12:23:25 am

Double psssst.

Also don't bring up how fricking asinine this statement is:

Kent:,, "Weapons to Ukraine? No compelling national security interest."

Can you imagine how naive it is for someone is to say something like that ?


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