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Review of Ancient Aliens S16E02 "The Lost Kingdom"

11/20/2020

41 Comments

 
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Before we get started with this week’s episode about Tibet, I want to call your attention to a new journal article in the Journal of Archaeological Science in which Matthew T. Boulanger investigates claims made in a 2014 episode of America Unearthed. The episode suggested that an obsidian spear point allegedly found in Maui was evidence of ancient trans-Pacific contact. However, Boulanger’s analysis of the spear point concluded—as I had correctly reasoned years ago—that the spear point’s form is modern and the obsidian came from a Mexican deposit used in modern times. I’m pleased that the article cites my blog posts on the subject as part of its deconstruction of Wolter’s allegations, but I do wish this kind of research could have occurred six years ago when the episode was current and audiences might have been impacted by the results.
Unfortunately, we don’t have six years to wait to examine this episode of Ancient Aliens—not that I would want to spend six years thinking about what took them less than six weeks (or more likely six days) to cobble together from Google searches and recycling past episodes. This is, of course, not the first time Ancient Aliens has dealt with Tibet. It was only back in March, just before the pandemic struck, for example, that they devoted a chunk of an episode to claiming aliens from the Pleiades created Denisovans to pass along oxygen-regulation genes perfect for Himalayas living. Mandalas, of course, have occurred several times on both Ancient Aliens and the In Search of Aliens spinoff as supposed alien art related to the Nazca lines. Even Shambhala has been mentioned in passing over the years. Tonight’s episode is more of a collection of greatest hits about Tibet than an original production, but such is always the case now.
 
The show opens by describing Tibet and its Buddhist culture, albeit without any reference to the tensions between native Tibetans and its Chinese overlords, which might make it harder to sell History shows in China. The show takes less than two minutes before the first description of Tibetans as “exotic,” firmly aligning Ancient Aliens with a white, Western perspective. David Childress calls it “magical” and “mystical,” again exoticizing an actual country where there are real everyday people who live actual lives independent of Western fantasies of exploration and enlightenment.
 
Giorgio Tsoukalos alleges that Tibet became a religious center due to its ancient alien visitors.
 
The mythical kingdom of Shambhala gets a mention, but the show claims it is some sort of secret fantasy land, and no one mentions that it likely derives from the real Sambhal in Uttar Pradesh. That kind of takes some of the wind out of the Atlantis-of-the-Himalayas sails.
 
The second segment deals with Nicholas Roerich, the mystic who allegedly saw a UFO from Shambhala while traveling in Tibet in 1927. I covered that story back in 2015. He likely saw a silver-colored weather balloon launched by Swedish geographer Sven Hedin.
 
After this, we hear tell that Shambhala is located underneath the earth or in a hidden valley accessible only through tunnels, which is less an ancient legend than the plot of the 1933 novel Lost Horizon. Some UFO sightings in the Himalayas are alleged to be aliens buzzing Shambhala, and the show repeats a claim from season five that Buddhist stupas are stone copies of flying saucers.
 
After the break, we get a discussion of Helena Blavatsky and Theosophy, including Atlantis and Lemuria. The show has never read Blavatsky, so it confuses her discussion of human prehistory with later elaborations by her followers. Blavatsky had claimed that a spirit from Tibet had given her secret knowledge through a mystical appearance in her New York apartment, which lets the show make some sort of connection to Tibet. The show states that Blavatsky taught Gandhi about universal brotherhood, and the show takes this to an extreme by asking if Gandhi pursued Indian independence on orders from aliens. According to standard biographies, Gandhi did meet Blavatsky on her death bed, but it was not a moment that changed his life. He was actually more influenced by Blavatsky’s follower, Annie Besant, whose Hindu-inspired ramblings, along with one of Blavatsky’s confoundingly mixed-up books, made him curious about rediscovering his own Hinduism.
 
Following this, we get another recitation of the familiar story of Aleister Crowley claiming to open portals to other realms through knowledge channeled from a Tibetan adept with a giant head. Lynn Picknett claims this adept looks like a Grey alien, but it seems more likely that when Crowley drew his picture, he intended to suggest a massive brain.
 
The next segment involves, as it must, Nazis. Ancient Aliens loves Nazis, and in this case, the Nazis did travel to Tibet—in search of Atlantis and Aryan homeland. The show ignores this to focus instead on the examination of a statue the Nazis looted from Tibet which turned out to (possibly) be carved from a chunk of the Chinga meteorite, which hit Earth between 10,000 and 20,000 years ago. David Childress asks if the meteorite was “part of a spaceship” that crashed in Tibet. The answer is so obviously no—the meteorite is, as you might suspect, something that has been studied and is patently not artificially created or worked.
 
The subsequent segment covers the fictitious Yeti and the people who claim to have seen it. The show claims Yeti are charged with preventing the impure from reaching Shambhala. I believe that is actually part of the plot of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves and some Lovecraftian fan fiction, since it does not feature in standard accounts of the Yeti or any historical sources on Shambhala. Indeed, the images Ancient Aliens uses to illustrate this segment are the same images that appear on that Lovecraftian page I just linked to, and it appears that the researchers didn’t realize that the page was fiction and not history. The show claims Yeti are interdimensional beings that pop in and out of our reality, but this is not based in fact (or even authentic accounts of myth) so much as the show repeating claims from its Bigfoot episode but swapping out the name of a different fictional giant ape.

The final segment claims that meditation can give Buddhists access to other dimensions, and Shambhala exists in another dimension. How that is different from it being a fantasy in one’s head, or how we would ever determine the difference, they do not say. The show ends with the claim that Tibetan monks shrivel up and turn into beams of light when they die. They claim to have photos of a monk’s dying body shriveling to nothing and then becoming a beam of light, but it all looks so staged and fake that it’s hardly worth commenting on. If it were true, you’d think someone over the centuries would notice all these beams of light and wonder where corpses keep vanishing to.
41 Comments
E,P, Grondine
11/21/2020 09:56:01 am

Hi Jason -

I do wish you would read my summary of Kieninger and Childress. Dave had distribution through a bookstore in Tibet, and to my knowledge still visits there regularly, or rather at least he did a while back.

When you understand the theosophist cult archaeology underlying this, it will start to become a coherent mess for you. As it is, your approach is scatter-shot.

Since no one is going to read your reviews except for a few of us fringe characters, have you considered videos on Youtube?

I need to add here that over the years I have run into people who have seen UFOs, and it ;eaves them shook. I send them to MUFON, and it is sad that their series failed.

Areceibo has collapsed, which means that funding MAYy pass to the array. Or it may not.

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Kent
11/21/2020 05:07:12 pm

Arecibo hasn't collapsed, it's just lived its life. There's a lesson there.

I'm sure Florida State University has put their elite 24/7 "What Would Mr. Grondine Like?" team on the job!

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T. Franke link
11/21/2020 10:46:13 am

Shambala and Atlantis are somehow contradictory and in a competition among mystic believers.

Atlantis was in the Atlantic, in the West, not in the North, as center from which the various peoples emerged into the rest of the world. (Donnelly's version, as mostly accepted among mystic believers)

Shambala as a place in Tibet north of the Himalaya. According to French scientists of 18th century, who thought human beings to emerge from the North (earth cooling down first at the poles), had the idea that humanity went southwards until it stopped at Himalaya, and then split into various peoples from this point onwards.

As we know, for French author Bailly, Atlantis was in the high North, so for him it fits. But somehow, the whole background story got lost for modern mystics, and now the Atlantis idea and the Shambala idea are strangely non-connected for them.

Very interesting also that this knowledge is not fetched from Tibet, but the other way round: The "knowledge" was projected onto Tibet. (Until Tibetans themselves have taken over parts of the narrative. Today, some Tibetans talk of this nonsense as if it was their own ancient wisdom.)

PS: The Nazi expedition in Tibet was clearly racist, on the search for "pure" types of race in hidden places of the earth such as Tibet. Yet it had nothing to do with Atlantis, even not the Aryan homeland, I would say (which was thought in the far north, independent of any Atlantis idea, and surely not in Tibet).

Such mystic and pseudo-scientific thoughts may have been in the head of Heinrich Himmler who was the only leading Nazi with such ideas, and who financed the expedition, yet the expedition leader Ernst Schaefer was opposed to such fancy ideas and even successfully rejected to take Atlantis believer Edmund Kiss with him on the expedition. (But even Kiss concentrated his Atlantis efforts around Tiahuanaco, not around Tibet.)

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E.P. Grondine
11/21/2020 04:01:06 pm

Hi T. -

What is confusing you is the link between theosophism and the Nazi "ideology".

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T. Franke link
11/21/2020 05:40:03 pm

EP Grondine, there is no such link. A few unimportant National Socialists were influenced by this, but neither Hitler nor Himmler, nor Goebbels nor Goering. Especially with Himmler this is almost funny since Himmler is the only leading National Socialist believing in mystic stuff of that kind but he never was under theosophic influence.

The Man From Atlantis
11/22/2020 12:26:54 am

The Nazis believed that Atlantis was located in Tibet and who cares about Atlantis - an example of moral philosophy turned into a pseudo-historical narrative by Plato, put into the mouth of a dead man.

E.P. Grondine
11/22/2020 09:18:44 am

Hi T -

Based on the facts, I'll strongly disagree with you. But you will have to excuse me, as I have limited abilities now, and much to do.

T. Franke link
11/22/2020 11:28:45 am

@The Man from Atlantis, your words: "The Nazis believed that Atlantis was located in Tibet".

If one thing is safe to say then that this is completely wrong and nonsense. Neither did "the Nazis" believe in Atlantis, nor did any known National Socialist believe it to be in Tibet. It's an urban myth, folks. Forget about it.

You shouldn't draw your knowledge about National Socialism from Indiana Jones movies and games. They are good in entertainment but not in facts (and maybe that is the reason why they are so good in entertainment?).

I would suggest rather the works by Hannah Arendt, instead. Concerning the occult ideas in National Socialism I suggest the work "The occult roots of Nazism" by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke (which will be disappointing for you because this work debunks a lot of urban myths). And maybe some biographies about Hitler?

Bill
11/21/2020 10:57:51 am

Thanks once again for review the episode. This will definitely be one I skip over based on the review.

Have you seen The American Runestone? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9072206/?ref_=ttep_ep_tt

Your best friend Scott is in it :)

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Bill
11/21/2020 12:48:52 pm

Oops, just noticed this show cam out last spring so you may have already seen it.

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Kent
11/21/2020 11:24:50 am

Wow. Fortunately this falls in one of my many wheelhouses. First, there probably was a time in the early 20th century where things Tibetan or allegedly Tibetan became cool among a certain set, just as things Egyptian had.

A lot of this was perhaps due to Pierre Bernard, uncle of lawyer, traveler, yogi and presumed dead person Theos Bernard. I am not of the school that stamps its little foot and says "Theosophy is the source of everything bad!" but Tsophy is indeed the crockpot of crackpottery. Krishnamurti, although I admit to not understanding his blatherings (I suspect it's all a con) did well to get away from them.

The Pleiades seem to have inherited the position once inhabited by Egypt and Tibet, albeit on a smaller more lunatic scale.

The German exploration of Tibet was largely a Himmler project and gave us Heinrich Harrar and Seven Years in Tibet. cf. Ahnenerbe.

"without any reference to the tensions between native Tibetans and its Chinese overlords" Two sides to every story. Remember that Tibet was allied to the alien foreign invader Mongol Yuan dynasty in China. Due to being previously "conquered" by the Mongols. Fun fact: there were even wars between monasteries. Tibet's really cool but it was never a paradise. For centuries amputation was a common punishment for criminals.

"The mythical kingdom of Shambhala ... likely derives from the real Sambhal in Uttar Pradesh." Likely wrong. At least you should be able to show them both written in an Indic script for comparison. I bet with some digging one could find an Indian restaurant menu with something called "sambhal" on it. I know the great god Baal, I mean Wikipedia disagrees with me on this.

I don' know nuthin' 'bout birthin' no Yetis but the question I've always had about Bigfoot is what did it evolve from and where is the fossil record?

"They claim to have photos of a monk’s dying body shriveling to nothing ... If it were true, you’d think someone over the centuries would notice all these beams of light and wonder where corpses keep vanishing to."

Hmm. I'd like to see those photos. For the people who assert that this process happens, it doesn't take place in the public square, and the tradition is that the hair and nails remain (due to not being living I suppose although nails and hair do grow at the bottom). Some people do assert that they have seen those "beams of light" (typically this is referred to as "rainbow body" 'jas lus). So without meaning it as proof, there is that objection addressed.

The Japanese have a similar tradition, Sokushinbutsu.

You're aware you have a lot of Tibetans in Ithaca, right? Asian guys in a grocery store buying just ground beef and Budweiser? Tibetans.

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Kent
11/21/2020 01:40:38 pm

A couple followups:

Don't trouble yourself with Kissinger and Plunger, that is well trodden ground albeit by sugarfoot and of little and uncapitalized relevance. Certainly don't worry about some coo-coo author having an imaginary book franchise in Tibet. It probably just means some bookstore gets periodic updates from Ingram.

Shamballah or the legend of it, is first seen in the Vedas. So it's Indian. It came into Tibet via the Kalacakra Tantra, so again, it's Indian. If anyone tells you "The Tibetan tradition is thousands of years old" they're trying to screw you in some way.

शम्भल Śambhala is similar to the place name Sambhal, but absent any other evidence, especially of that place name existing in Vedic times, still not buying it. Hindi typically drops the final -a but I worry about zhanging the first consonant (SEE?). My worry is not probative of course, words change.

The Hungarian lexicographer, Csoma de Koros long had a theory that the Magyars who came to what is now Hungary originated in Tibet. His huge dictionary is still in use today.

Fun Fact: When did basketball first come to Tibet? You're wrong. The answer is 1933.

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Dalai Obvious
11/21/2020 04:25:43 pm

Things Tibetan have been cool in various western sets for at least four centuries. You need to make room in your wheelhouse for a broader understanding of Tibetophilia.

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Kent
11/22/2020 09:33:07 am

Yes, the time-traveling Templar Jesuits, notably Ippolito Desideri, the Matteo Ricci of Tibet. Grandmother, meet eggs.

Tungan
11/25/2020 01:24:07 pm

"Kent" already lost this argument several years ago to someone who provided original sources demonstrating public interest in Tibetan culture and religion in Great Britain and the U.S. in the 18th and 19th centuries stimulated by articles in popular magazines and newspapers.

Kent
11/25/2020 04:02:02 pm

Yes I remember that, it was the Journal of the West Bengal Society or something and was an account of a westerner attending the installation of a previous Dalai Lama in the early 19th century.

Unless you've got a time travelling Gwyneth Paltrow, it still wasn't "cool". Don't be a douche, dude.

Tungan
11/25/2020 07:34:53 pm

No, try again. Hint: original sources from the relevant periods.

Polly Andry
11/26/2020 12:55:56 pm

A keyword search on the Chronicling America search engine for American newspapers indexed in the data base shows 1898 hits for "Tibet" in the period from 1789 to 1875, starting in 1790. This includes, as just one example, an 1875 article in the Chicago Tribune that discussed Tibetan economy, religious practices, and marital customs in considerable detail. The polyamorous set of the time and pioneering feminist set of the time probably found polyandry to be very cool. Someone get Kent a side order of green bean casserole to go with his Thanksgiving crow.

Kent
11/27/2020 10:08:40 am

No crow involved. I remembered the incident and named the journal. A search of the same time period on chroniclingamerica for "rape" retuns 170,000 results. Are we to assume that rape was considered "cool"? "Incest" was a distant second at 18,000. Don't be a douche, dude.

As Chuch Larabee would say "Not cool."

Liz leffler
11/28/2020 08:00:13 pm

Is there a full citation for the newspaper article? The Memphis Tourism Commission sponsored an exhibition on the town's Mardi Gras celebration that was started in the 1860s. It was part of their efforts in the 1980s to develop the area in the vicinity of the Peabody Hotel. One of the old black and white photographs in the exhibition from the 1860s or 1870s was of a Mardi Gras parade float dedicated to the "Great Tibetean Lama." I don't know if they got the idea from the Chicago newspaper or elsewhere?

John Wayne Obvious
11/29/2020 12:15:44 pm

Kent,

Rape was traditionally considered to be a "cool" fringe benefit of engaging in warfare in many societies. It has sometimes been treated as a sporting event among American college fraternities. Rape as a part of forced marriages was considered cool in some societies. There are currently organizations that promote the legalization of what is currently considered to be rape. Convicted serial rapists sometimes recieve more fan mail in prison, from men and women alike, than some celebrities. Yes, in past and present rape has been considered to be cool in certain sets. Keeping in mind that you were the one who chose to box yourself in with the phrasing "among certain sets" .

You picked a poor subject to try to use to make a point and it backfired. Don't be that person.

Kent
11/29/2020 08:04:14 pm

Always nice to hear from the "there are so many reasons rape is popular" set. Take a run at incest next why don't you?

There was a time and a place when genocide was considered cool (actually many times and places). I look forward to your attempt to make that my fault.

Starship trooper obvious
11/29/2020 08:28:12 pm

Further self defeating logic. As Paxton's character in the Aliens movie so eloquently put, "game over man, game over."

Better luck next time.

Icky but true
12/1/2020 04:36:36 am

Incest was also considered to be cool in certain sets like ancient Egyptian royalty, royalty in polynesian societies, and west virginia to name a few examples. How this character kent made the leap from Tibet to tape and incest is a disturbing turn.

The Real captain obvious
12/1/2020 01:28:46 pm

Liz Lefler, I only took the five minutes needed to google enough information to prove Kent wrong and get him to say something dumb. I was successful. I didn't take careful notes on the date or page number and you can find that as easily as I did.

The idea of a Lama float could have come from anywhere. People read a newspaper or magazine article or a book written by an explorer and decide that it would be cool to use Tibet as a theme. No big mystery here.

Icky, you must be new here. this is pretty tame material for Kent.

Kent
12/1/2020 03:33:07 pm

How I made the leap is I used the Library of Congress source cited by another poster and suggested that tape and incest are not cool. If that's your scene I don't know what to tell you. Don't get your jammies in a twist.

Not captain obvious
12/1/2020 06:19:47 pm

Lots of things aren't considered to be cool except among certain people or groups. The fact that rape and incest were the first things to spring to mind when searching a database for material in this discussion is telling. Both poor taste and useless for supporting your argument anyway.

But then again in his past arguments with people here Kent/americanegro has also displayed almost encyclopedic knowledge of international age of consent laws, sexual tourism hotspots, and has made a habit of inserting reference to molestation by clergy or family members in various conversations.

Anybody see a pattern here that might justify people expressing concern?

In the future just work on being wrong rather than a sleazeball who is wrong.

Have a pleasant evening.


Hall monitor
12/2/2020 07:08:18 pm

Yet again, the most entertaining comments are the ones that kent is no longer allowed to post at this point.

T. Franke link
11/21/2020 05:49:21 pm

Kent, cit: "The German exploration of Tibet was largely a Himmler project and gave us Heinrich Harrar and Seven Years in Tibet. cf. Ahnenerbe."

Himmler financed the Ernst Schaefer expedition, but their nature was disappointing for all who expect mystic or pseudo-scientific purposes, except the "normal" racism of the time of course. See posting above.

Heinrich Harrer was member of Himmler's SS, but his expedition to the Himalaya was a sportive event and financed by the German Himalaya foundation, not by Himmler.

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Kent
11/22/2020 11:44:17 am

Do you understand that

"The German exploration of Tibet" refers to the German exploration of Tibet? and

"largely" does not mean "completely"? and

"gave us Heinrich Harrar and Seven Years in Tibet" refers to "the German exploration of Tibet"?

Would you like some eggs too?

T. Franke link
11/22/2020 11:56:00 am

OK Kent, I understand this. Yes, I do :-) And now the eggs, please!

Paul
11/21/2020 11:37:23 am

Say it isn't so, you hint at Scottie being a prevaricator. Just cause silver turns to lead, agate-gate, Richard Nielsen, about every episode of AU, Masters, and on and on ad nauseum? After all, Scottie NEVER tells a lie, just ask him. Scottie is a hard scientist and by definition, he can't lie, maybe it is because he is hard. As for AA, maybe without Burns around to pull strings, the puppets are losing initiative. D Hatcher Childress is done hatching. Just in it for the money and that is slipping. Here is an article I ran across the other day, it is dated but defines Childress. https://www.newcity.com/2017/06/29/the-world-capital-of-weird/
So the worm turns and pseudo keeps on spinning.

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Rock Knocker
11/21/2020 05:48:55 pm

I just couldn’t stomach the entire episode today, especially after reading Jason’s review. I usually soldier through these tedious repeats, but I quit after segment two. It’s recorded so I might go back and finish watching, but probably not. I keep hoping for new/interesting/insightful material...just call me Steven Ambrose I guess.

“The past is a source of knowledge, and the future is a source of hope. Love of the past implies faith in the future.” – Stephen Ambrose


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Doc rock
11/22/2020 11:50:44 am

Boulanger is involved in a lot of high tech lithic analysis of authentic artifacts. Debunking an OOPA and probably having cretins like Wolter and his sycophants attack him for belonging to some conspiracy probably wasn't very high on his to do list.

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The Rooster
11/23/2020 12:08:55 am

Totally dying of laughter over here.

K? Considering our small "boathhood"? The crew of the Argo? Brothers & Sisters?

If we had a secret weapon?

It would be a KENT.

Totally slain here.

😅😅😅

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The Rooster
11/23/2020 06:05:31 pm

So sorry! I'm whacky with laughter over the whole concept.

It would be like, "Oh God no. Not again. They obviously don't know we have a KENT".

Then it would be like, "Should we negotiate?".

Then it'd be, "Kindest of friends. Only thought it fair to let you know, we have a KENT".

But it'd already be over. Why?

We have a KENT.

Why is this cracking me up so hard?

😅😅😅

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A C
11/23/2020 03:42:47 am

Christopher Hale's Himmler's Crusade (pretty much THE book on the 1938 Ernst Schäfer expedition to Tibet) kind of overstates Blavasky's influence on Nazism so I don't know how accurate it is on her but it does claim that she visited India with the attempt to enter Tibet but that the British assumed she was a Russian Spy and wouldn't let her in.

Over-all the book portrays Tibet as basically being the last habitable place to be explored by Europeans due to Great Game concerns making it almost impossible to get access to. Which makes it the place for people to project their fantasies onto in the twilight decades of the Age of Exploration.

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T. Franke link
11/23/2020 11:59:10 am

AC: I had a look in the Amazon preview of the book and it looks quite convincing. Right on page 10 all the urban myths are debunked: Neither Atlantis, nor Tibet as the place of origin, nor Shambala. But the usual racism of the time. And Ernst Schäfer as an ambiguous character. Yes, this is it.

I read a German book with pretty much the same scope, judged from the Table of Contents: "Nazis in Tibet: Das Rätsel um die SS-Expedition Ernst Schäfer", 2017.

In first chapters, there are some overstatemenets about Ariosophy, but in later chapters a more sober view is presented.

(I wonder now whether the German book from 2017 stole content from the English book from 2001?! Such things happen.)

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Jim
11/24/2020 10:30:57 am

Oh boy,,, What's this ?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mysterious-metal-monolith-discovered-rural-utah-n1248777

"It is illegal to install structures or art without authorization on federally managed public lands, no matter what planet you're from,"

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Kent
11/26/2020 05:13:53 pm

Yet the BATFE cannot enact regulations according to the authority statutorily delegated by Congress. Because Canadians know better than facts.

Reno, still west of LA.
Alaska, still the easternmost U.S. State.
Greenland, still part of North America.

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James Patrick Ryan link
12/5/2020 02:24:37 am

Thomas Edison did not invent the lightbulb. He perfected the first commercially viable lightbulb. It's like saying Henry Ford invented the automobile.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

As usual, your writing continues to intrigue and captivate whilst your delicious sarcasm whacks me across the funny bone.

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