Review of Ancient Aliens S16E04: Giants of the Mediterranean

12/11/2020

More than two hundred years ago, the naturalist Georges Cuvier published his Memoir Upon Living and Fossil Elephants in which he correctly explained that the skeletons reported around the Mediterranean region as those of a lost race of giants had, in fact, belonged to fossilized elephants. Nearly a century earlier, Sir Hans Sloane had drawn the same conclusion in a paper read before the Royal Society. In 1835, Henri Marie Ducrotay de Blainville examined the skeleton of the famed giant Teutobochus and discovered that it belonged to a mastodon, a truth that confirmed an assessment by Jean Riolan the Younger a century before. Hell, in 1827 Edmond Temple even watched a “giant” being excavated in Bolivia in the presence of men of science, and he gawked in wonder as they completely refused to believe it an Ice Age elephant, despite having tusks. I could list dozens of similar accounts and analyses. In fact, I have. The truth about “giants” has been known for centuries, but here we are watching Ancient Aliens party like it’s 1699.

More to the point: The episode, following last week’s, serves as another excuse to recycle outtakes from their 2018 episode about Sardinia, which was literally called “Island of the Giants” and covered much of the same material. You can read my review for the background on the long history of trying to apply biblical giant mythology to Sardinia. Another chunk came from the 2014 In Search of Aliens episode “The Mystery of the Cyclops.” My review of that episode is here. I know the pandemic has wreaked havoc with TV production, but the blatant reuse of old material without even the gloss of pretending to be new is especially obvious and outrageous in this hastily fabricated pandemic season.

Segment 1

The first segment discusses the Greek myth of the Gigantomachy and then lists other stories of giants from around the world with clips from previous episodes.
Giorgio Tsoukalos says there is a “great concentration” of stories of giants in the Mediterranean, so real giants must have lived there. Those stories are most prominent because those are the cultures whose written records survive best. It doesn’t make them real.
The Cyclopes are discussed for their architecture, the cyclopean style. The show repeats a myth Pausanias reported in ancient times that Mycenaean architecture was thought to be their work. As should be obvious, Mycenaean structures are built to human scale. The giants would have hit their heads every time they stood up.
Clips from old episodes about Malta—I think it was actually from Tsoukalos’s In Search of Aliens show—are used to claim their massive stones were moved by giants with “technology beyond our capabilities,” as David Childress alleges.

Segment 2

The second segment is definitely recycling claims and probably b-roll from In Search of Aliens as it explores an ancient Maltese temple and its astronomical alignments.
The segment describes the cart ruts on Malta, previously seen on both Ancient Aliens and In Search of Aliens, and which I covered in my earlier review. There is no need to repeat again here, especially since the show simply pastes in pieces of the In Search of Aliens episode from 2014, or outtakes therefrom. I didn’t go back to check, but it seems to be previously broadcast material, as it matches my 2014 notes.
New talking head footage expresses shock that cart ruts can be found in areas where people used carts.

Segment 3

This segment simply repeats material from the Sardinia episode about “giant” tombs, with recycled footage, recycled claims, and excerpts presented without acknowledgement of their previous broadcast. Some new talking head blather is layered over previous footage. I covered it before, and there is no reason to repeat myself as often as this show does.
Old clips of Nephilim hunter Timothy Alberino are recycled as the show recycles claims that stylized Sardinian statues represent robots. Alberino used to work with Steve Quayle to produce content revolving around heretical, Enochian Christian fan fiction but no longer works with him.
The show confuses various Mesopotamian cultures and misrepresents the Anunnaki as giants. The show does not understand hieratic scale.
Andrew Collins claims that Sardinia contains a miniature Sumerian ziggurat (it doesn’t—platforms look like platforms the world over) and therefore the Anunnaki are also Sardinian giants.

Segment 4

This segment repeats footage and interviews, or outtakes thereof, from a segment about Ferentino, Italy from an episode that aired last year. Off the top of my head, I don’t remember which one.

Segment 5

Alberino makes claims that skeletons 9-12 feet tall were dug up, and various talking heads allege that they have been destroyed by “official-looking people.” Even the show recognizes many of these stories are “dubious.”
An old article from 1890 mistaking megafauna bones for human giants is cited as proof of giants.
Nephilim are brought up and Erich von Däniken gets excited about the Bible describing alien and human women “having sex” to produce giants.

Segment 6

The sixth segment describes Genesis 6:4, the section on giants. The show relates old Jewish lore (preserved in later Abrahamic faiths’ lore) that Adam and Eve were giants and each successive generation was less tall. It was a myth born of degeneration theory. Jason Martell claims that “Darwinism” is wrong and ET-human hybrids were the true lost race.
Von Däniken claims that science is hiding giant bones to prevent us from proving ET-human mating through DNA testing. The “lost” bones aren’t lost. They’re right where they’ve always been, labeled correctly as megafauna bones.

131 Comments

Biblical Nephilim Again

12/11/2020 11:58:25 pm

Nephilim were simply the mighty enemies of ancient Judea - Goliath was depicted as a giant for that reason. Enemies were allowed to engage in nuptials with the females of the countries that they occupied - Patrick McGoohan who played Longshanks in "Braveheart" made that clear when he said the English conquerors had the right to have carnal relations with Scottish women.

Another 45 minute episode

12/12/2020 12:09:33 am

Another 45 minute episode that can be demolished in under 45 seconds

eric h

12/12/2020 12:56:06 am

If they think megafauna bones are from giants, wait until they discover the giant sloth coprolites in the American Southwest. Then, the unfossilized dung and skin in caves in South America will prove the Giants still walk among us!

Anthony G.

12/12/2020 02:28:52 am

"The segment describes the cart ruts on Malta, previously seen on both Ancient Aliens and In Search of Aliens, and which I covered in my earlier review."

I don't believe those "ruts" were made by carts. I find it more likely they were used to guide small round stones used to balance and transport larger stones. Especially the stones quarried to make the underground city. really make sense of the ruts that run into the sea. This is how I believe they loaded stones for transport at sea.

This how I envision it anyway. No Master Ginger race, or aliens needed. Just a bunch of people with levers to keep it balanced and moving. Add a couple of ball boys to move the small round stones ahead of the people with the levers.

Bezalel

12/15/2020 11:10:50 pm

Anthony G
Nicely done

I've done this myself, single handedly.
One can lift the corner of a ~ 2 ton stone (with 4 ft crowbar) and wedge a small stone between the stone and the ledge below it

Do this with at least 3-4 pebbles and now you can push the 2 ton stone by hand (until you must move the pebble to the corner again) because the only points of contact are the tiny pebbles ( minimizes friction)

Takes patience, work and a little savvy.

Doesn't take much to imagine 10-20 men moving a 50 ton stone in the same manner.

Malta solved
Pyramids solved

Hard to do on soft ground though

Kent

12/17/2020 12:43:41 am

You're the guy who got this wrong: "I think it's 0.6° separation."

You went from "stone" to "pebble". I'll give you a pass on that.

With the 2 ton stone, how do you overcome the inertia and let's be honest, friction? That would have been the rara-est of avises, the interesting Youtube video.

How does your imaginary team get the 50 ton stones up the ramp? Remember 50 tons is your figure, not mine.

Not saying your wrong, but the track record...

12/20/2020 09:26:18 am

"How does your imaginary team get the 50 ton stones up the ramp?"

Have you ever seen a teeter-totter? The stone itself can be the board. Teet- spacer wedge. Tot-spacer wedge. Repeat.

Bezalel is correct. It helps to have really hard ground. He could add Stonehenge to his list. Malta is really interesting because the ruts allow you to change track, pick up where you left off, and the possibility of ratcheting action for getting uphill. Along with guiding the stone balls. Wrapping rope around the stone to form a groove helping guide the stone balls would help.

12/22/2020 03:29:40 pm

You sound like someone who's never actually tried it.

Not saying you're wrong, but the track record...

Oh, who am I kidding, I AM saying you're wrong, because the track record....

12/22/2020 08:56:02 pm

This is easily demonstratable with a brick, marble, and pencils. You can use spaghetti noodles instead of pencils if you want to go really slow.
Maybe break out your container of "Pick-Up-Sticks". They'll work too. The key to it all is holding the spacer wedges in place. Hint- 2 pencils fastened up right on both sides.

Jim

12/23/2020 10:57:14 am

Anthony is correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug-vIoGK1Dw

12/23/2020 04:29:29 pm

Jim, Thank you but I don't do undescribed youtube links ever since getting hit with a salespitch for handcrafted Bic lighter sheaths. Stranger danger.

Anthony, there's moving the goal posts and there's ignoring the goalposts. I asked about ramps and you don't explain how spaghetti works in that context. You also seem to not have a clue about the problems that scale up as weight increases. But you're a dear lamb.

12/31/2020 05:37:03 am

Thanks, Jim. That's pretty much the same idea. I did like his metal contraptions for pushing stones along. You can do something similar by attaching logs, or wood bundles. Allows you to go uphill and put on the brakes.

It would be extremely nice not to be treated like I'm stupid, every time I visit this site. Always by the same person too.

Clete

12/12/2020 09:00:01 am

Ancient Aliens reminds me of an old farmer who had a mule. He told me that I can think of my mule as a race horse, but thinking it is anything other then a mule still doesn't make it a race horse.

Doc rock

12/12/2020 11:43:15 am

If there were once giants roaming about all over you would think that some of their remains would still pop up from time to time. Hard to believe that every last great pumpkin sized skull had been found and consigned to the Smithsonian's super secret burn site over a century ago.

The occasional NBA power forward sized skeleton doesnt count.

E.P. Grondine

12/12/2020 12:19:42 pm

Good morning -

Jason, I think you may be taking undue credit for Adriene Mayor's work. It does not reflect well on you.

There is nothing Ancient Aliens about tall people, X mt DNA to be specific Those tall skeletons are quite well known to Pennsylvania and mid Atlantic archaeologists:

https://www.amazon.com/Mounds-Dead-Annals-Carnegie-Museum/dp/091123909X

https://www.amazon.com/Ages-Giants-Cultural-History-Prehistoric/dp/0999501704

It is interesting to watch Jason Jarrell's work being appropriated by others.

I'd like top mention how amusing it is to have shit thrown at me by people who are not familiar with the excavator's field reports or their summaries, racist assholes who denigrate the Native American accounts of the tall people.

Over my years on the powwow circuit, I have run into several of the tall people's descendants in person .

Jason Colavito link

12/12/2020 12:31:20 pm

I am taking no credit for Mayor's work. If you clicked the link I provided, you'd see that she was recapping a widely reported Victorian conclusion that fell into abeyance in the 20th century. I only point out that I have collected that 19th century material to make obvious what has been known for centuries.

12/12/2020 10:24:02 pm

Hi Jason - A plug by name for her work would have been nice.

12/12/2020 01:20:17 pm

E.P. :

"It is interesting to watch Jason Jarrell's work being appropriated by others."

The fact that you continue to give major credence to wackos like Jason Jarrell does not do your credibility any favors.

"According to Adams, aborted human fetal tissue included in the dangerous vaccine cocktail could serve as a blood sacrifice that seals a type of eternal pact between those who accept the shot and the Dark One"

"Thus when the Book of Revelation is permitted to speak for itself in the Greek language in which it was originally written, the Mark of the Beast could easily be interpreted as a type of vaccine injected into the right arm. Furthermore, people willingly pursue the Mark of their own accord due to a policy enacted by the second Beast, whose authority comes from the first Beast or political ruler."

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Chi-Xi-Stigma: Pandemics, Vaccines, and the Mark of the Beast

https://www.paradigmcollision.com/blog/chi-xi-stigma-pandemics-vaccines-and-the-mark-of-the-beast

12/12/2020 10:27:53 pm

Hi Jim -

Jason is not a wacko. But then his book speaks for itself, if you bother to read it. Why don't you call Dragoo a whako?

As for the other crap you cite, there is a whole lot of it out there, and various conmen attempting to make a dime with it .

12/13/2020 08:45:21 am

The other crap I cite is directly from Jason Jarrell's Blogsite where he and his wife appear to concoct some bizarre conspiracy theory whereby Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates and Jarad Kushner are in cahoots with Trump (the first Beast or political ruler) to use the covid vaccine to lay the mark of the beast on the American public and thereby allow the devil to steal the souls hundreds of millions of Americans.

And at the conclusion they self debunk themselves by saying that this is wrong because:

"However, the sequence of events that unfold in Revelation 13 do not allow for a coronavirus vaccine to be the Mark. The Mark of the Beast is introduced after the rise of an all powerful government lead by a single dictatorial personality called the “first Beast,” who apparently receives some manner of fatal wound and then recovers before the rise of a “second Beast” who then institutes the Mark. Interestingly, the current President of the United States recently attempted to assert “total” and “absolute” power over all of the free states in his bid to coerce a revival of the U.S. economy (20)"

LOL,,, they are OK with the part of the theory that Fauci, Gates, Kushner and Trump are in cahoots with the Devil to steal American souls but note the conspiracy theory doesn't exactly match up with the biblical Revelation 13, therefore,,,,whew,,, we are safe,,,, at least temporarily.
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The only other places their articles appear are on nutbar sites such as Ancient Origins and Graham Hancock's Blog.

If you read what passes for his bio you may note that it consists of a word salad of made up puffery that refrains from naming any legit institution but simply calls him a "student" of.

I asked you before (as you seem to know him personally) if he had any post secondary education let alone finished high school. You said you didn't know of any, which makes me question why you would put so much stock in someone's "research" who has no discernible qualifications other than agreeing with your own questionable theories.
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https://grahamhancock.com/author/jason-jarrell/

"Jason Jarrell is an investigative historian, avocational archaeologist, and public speaker. Other than ancient history, his studies include philosophy, comparative mythology, religion, and depth psychology. He is a frequent guest on numerous radio shows and podcasts focused on ancient history, cultural studies, and politics. He has also appeared on the Ancient Aliens television series."

Yikes (made up puffery)
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https://www.kcorradio.com/guest/jason-jarrell.htm

"Jason Jarrell is an independent researcher and student of a diverse field of subjects including ancient history, archaeology, mythology, philosophy, depth psychology, and the spiritual traditions of Late Antiquity."

More made up puffery with no substance.
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https://muckrack.com/jason-jarrell/articles

Here are some blogposts made by Jason which concern Jason Jarrell.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1163&bih=739&ei=dxnWX4PmDMHLtQb1p5rIBw&q=Jason+Jarrell+site%3Ajasoncolavito.com&oq=Jason+Jarrell+site%3Ajasoncolavito.com&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDFCWGVjbY2CVd2gBcAB4AIABf4gBlQmSAQMyLjmYAQCgAQGgAQKqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjD_cywisvtAhXBZc0KHfWTBnkQ4dUDCAw

The ball is in your court E.P. show me I am wrong and tell me how this guy isn't a complete conspiracy, pseudo science wacko.

William Smith

12/13/2020 10:42:46 am

Keep up the fight E.P. Grondine - you will find the monkeys in the trees that have a alligator mouth and a hummingbird ass will always talk like Kent and Jim. Their speciality is to through shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

Leaper

12/13/2020 10:50:31 am

Why would Dragoo be called a wacko? He conducted excavations that uncovered skeletal remains that field measurements estimated to be a bit over 7 feet.

12/13/2020 02:44:59 pm

Dragoo is a whacko, as big a whacko as Jason Jarrell. Have to side with Enemy From The North on this one. He's often wrong ("no Search function"!) but you have a history of aggressive nonsense and a pottymouth..

Paul

12/13/2020 06:01:45 pm

Ah, Billy Smithy, nice to see you. Believe your comment is quite fitting for yourself. There is no one who can sling it like you. You and Eddy P are almost, not there yet, but near to the likes of Wolter, Muir and Ruh. You and Eddy P could be considered the sidekicks of stupidity. Maybe your beloved Sclovus got wacked by a comet impact while he was grinding magnetite.

Doc Rock

12/16/2020 11:23:23 am

Leaper,

Don Dragoo was a respected professional archaeologist who did a metric butt ton of fieldwork and produced dozens of site reports, articles, and monographs. He simply reported on uncovering skeletal remains estimated at around 7'2" at a site. He wasn't a wacko but rather has had this information appropriated by wackos to support the existence of nephilim, a race of giant Indians, supersized Israelites or whatever nonsense wacko people might come up with if they hear about an NBA sized skeleton popping up..

12/16/2020 11:51:42 am

12/12/2020 01:28:20 pm

"I'd like top mention how amusing it is to have shit thrown at me"

Whatever floats your boat I suppose, but then Mr. Grondine goes on to say it's racist to point out when people say things that simply aren't true.

That's a bridge too far in my view.

"the powwow circuit"? Doesn't get any better than this ladies and gentlemen. This stuff writes itself.

12/12/2020 10:36:09 pm

Why hello Kent -

I deal with traditional Native histories. And with traditional Native historians. When I wrote about the "YD" comet impacts some 15 years ago, I put up with a lot of shit from various slinging chimps.

I guess you do not get it yet. In physical sciences, opinions do not count for much. Hard data does. I use soft data to try and get to hard data. I hope this clears things up for you.

12/13/2020 12:27:38 pm

So, Eddy P, you refer to hard data. Where is it? Where is your actual proof of impacts during the time period you refer to? Where is your proof of sea-faring copper trading giants? Your hard data resides in your imagination only next to what you are smoking at your pow-wows. Science is science, history is history, and Eddy P is, well, you know.......

12/14/2020 09:32:52 am

Hi Paul -

Well, there is hard data that you do not what the hell you are spewing about. I've pointed you to Dragoo and Neuman and to Jarrell.

I also have done some youtbe videos on "Adena" monoliths, in which colonial eyewitness accounts are repeated.

Jarrell and his wife live in Charlston, W.Va., and are Christians surrounded by Trumpers. It is not fair to them to try and reverse what they wrote, and to ascribe to them the views they are dealing with.

Look, pea brain. I was the first person to write about the impact that killed off the mammoth, and despite my stroke I am perfectly able to deal with know nothing loudmouths such as yourself.

12/14/2020 01:03:01 pm

"Look, pea brain. I was the first person to write about the impact that killed off the mammoth"

That's not true for a start.

12/14/2020 01:46:00 pm

There may be some valid research in the three you list but as Kent mentions, there is a lot of wacko also. Not interested in pursuing your wacko train. As for primacy, you can jump off that boat, too. Halley, Donnelly and a host of others came before you and many will come after. The only thought process that you are using is an imaginary connect the dot and whack the moles. Your cosmology is not well thought out, nor rational. So, you insult. Oh, why didn't the bison die off in your extinction event? Or any of the other mega fauna across the world? The impacts were extensive but the effects were localized? You got nothin".

12/14/2020 03:12:58 pm

EP:

" It is not fair to them to try and reverse what they wrote, and to ascribe to them the views they are dealing with."

LOL, their writings are littered with misleading information worded in such a way to push their nonsense.

"Founded in 1954 by Prince Bernhardt of the Netherlands, who was a member of the Nazi SS, the Bilderberg Group—"

While not completely false, this is totally misleading.

Prince Bernhardt was a member of the Nazi party before the war when the depths of the evil they were to become were not known by him or anyone else for that matter.
He spent the war fighting the Nazis in both Belgium and later as a pilot in the RAF logging over 1000 hours in a Spitfire fighter as well as piloting a B-24 Liberator, bombing V1 launch pads, as well as attacking German subs with a B-25 Mitchell and lastly conducting reconnaissance over enemy-held territory in an L-5 Grasshopper.

So ya lets just label him as a Nazi,,,,FFS.

And then there is the part where he jumps all over Dr Fauci for trying to facilitate creating a vaccine during a pandemic,,,,,oh the horror !

" and has also exploited his position as the head of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), to aid the Gates Empire in rapidly facilitating the development of a Coronavirus vaccine."

The vaccine in question is the one from the biotech company, Moderna.

Don't give me this crap about misreading what they are pushing and attributing the words of others to them.
I am not wasting my time debunking and fact checking the massive amounts of nonsense these two spew but I will tell you that they have no credibility, deserve none, and apparently zero actual education in the multitude of fields that they advertise their expertise in and profess to be "students" of.

I'm a student of brain surgery,,,why, just the other day I saw a U Tube video on alien brain surgery.

12/15/2020 10:04:34 pm

Paul -

43 species of mega-fauna died off globally. Bison were not and are not mega-fauna - they require far less food to survive.

I simply tried to determine the impact rate through research. I just wish I had Donelly's commercial success.

"Your cosmology is not well thought out, nor rational." My geology and archaeology are pretty good. That being so, and the accretion data .being what it is, what exactly is this "cosmology" that you are claiming as authoritative and in contradiction to that data?

Is it that you can not discuss the data? Or is it simply jealousy on your part?

Bubba Alzheimer

12/17/2020 06:40:54 am

I dont think that megafauna means what EP thinks that it means. The American Bison is as big or bigger than pleistocene horses and ate as much or more.

P.G. Grenadine

12/12/2020 12:28:28 pm

The height gene is EXPRESSED!!! Like my glands. mtDNA, the haplogroup! PIE! Even today Indian giants are hidden on the reservations. I am 1/8 Merovingian, I have given you my DNA.

Bob Jase

12/14/2020 04:45:19 pm

1/8 Merovingian? Your family musta really been into incest for that to be true after 30 generations.

The Rooster

12/12/2020 06:03:36 pm

Great post Jason! Absolutely ferocious.

K?

I'm sort of obsessed with military shit.

If there were "Giants" to be dealt with? Where's the goddamned records of the military tech?!

A sling?!

I'm sorry. Once again to disappoint: Ain't no such thing.

Large men? Are simply large men. No "Giants".

Definitely Mastadons. Large creatures. Imagine! Taking on a Giant Sloth. Is that not freaky enough?!?

Uh, uh.

The whole concept is wrecked. There would be some record of how we took them down. It's imaginary.

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12/12/2020 07:37:55 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/scientists-find-evidence-of-prehistoric-man-vs-giant-sloth-battle/a-43540033

Hope the link wurks. Have Phun figuring that out^^

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12/12/2020 09:02:34 pm

So? Look.

Yeah. You can grow some Gigantically large native organisms.

I'm also pretty 4H.

I have, essentially, the largest housecat you've ever seen. I call him a "house-puma. Entirely destructive and feral. 22 pounds.

So? Yeah. Large shit exists. But? Not "Giants".

The whole concept? Redunculious.

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12/12/2020 10:30:21 pm

And? Why's it Men?

Let's have a representative example of a Female Giant's bones, right?

Were talking forensics here.

Easy Peasy. Nice & Easy.

Where's the girls?!

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Please. Stop.

12/14/2020 01:55:53 am

Neat!

I rule.Goodness Gracious?

You know? How hard it is? To get Apple autofill " gracious""?

Ya need? Another layer of Xmas.

F off, and die unbelievers.

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12/13/2020 10:31:02 am

The Giants are a subject that is often depicted as real from an early age like the Jack and the bean stalk story. The Grave Creek Tablet Vindication by Michael Burk was just released. His short story is a report of only the facts and original notes of the on site personal Abelard Tomlinson who found the tablet in the upper Grave Creek Mound Chamber in 1838. When you challenge these stories you find in most cases the potential mistakes made by early explorers just may have a different story. The tablet was said to have been found in the upper mound chamber between a 11 foot giants legs. Then reported at another set of notes was the giant was 7 feet tall. The double standard of size is not the only give away because the notes also indicate the tablet was first discovered by a helper as he unloaded a wheelbarrow of dirt.
My point of the above is not to prove giants did not exist, but to show how a miss identified skeleton that could be a bear or elephant as Jason identified above can distract the importance of the 25 letters and map that exist on a fish net anchor that was worn by a member of the Michael Corte Real 1511 expedition that passed Moundsville, West Virginia. In summary the best part of Jack and the Bean Stalk was when Jack used the ax, and do not through out the baby with the dishwater.

12/13/2020 06:33:35 pm

Ah yes, William Smith, the idiot who thinks magnets have "declination" based on where you dig them up and that there's such a thing as a non-magnetic compass needle..

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/scott-wolter-gives-new-interview-suggests-second-kensington-runestone-exists

12/17/2020 09:03:24 am

Any Boy or Girl Scout will tell you the magnetic needle on your compass hand will be off if you travel east or west. Most aircraft pilots, ship navigators and all Portuguese sailers and over 90% of high school graduates understood this natural declination. Drake mentions it in his log book many times in the 1500s. It came in play around 1250 from Arabia to the Western Europe. It was used and taught at Henry the Navigators school of navigation which was for many years the military secret that allowed Portugal to lead during the age of discovery. It was the basis for the construction of the lodestone compass found in a cave in N.Y. by Jackson and ended up with Don Rhu which allowed Scott Wolter and Zena Halbbern to fabricate bull shit stories for publication. As for magnets their are natural and manufactured. Natural can be found by measuring thereon content in any stone. When you are looking for natural magnets you can use a simple man made hand held compass by holding it next to a stone. White stones have little iron and in most cases are non-magnetic, Dark or red stones in many cases have iron in their make up and will deflect the compass needle. A good example of the use of stones of color during construction of ancient sites is the Newport tower. The white non-magnetic stones identify alignment to true north. The dark magnetic stones are used to identify magnetic north. The builders marks at the top north of the tower consist of two triangle stones. A white non-magnetic stone marks true north and a dark magnetic stone marks magnetic north at the time of construction. They indicate a 17 degree positive reading as read on the compass and represented by the cartographer during construction by a hooked X with the hook on the right leg to indicate the position of the magnetic needle on the lodestone compass hand.This hooked X is used only in the USA and 22 times on the Kensington Rune Stone and 74 times on the Spirit Pond stones. All were carved by John Scolvus when he was the Cartographer from Denmark sailing with fleet commander from Portugal Joao Corte Real. Today the declination at Newport is 15 degrees west as it drifts east over time. The last time it was 17 degrees was late 1472. Also recorded on the Naragansentte Bay rune stone. The 17 degrees at the 41N latitude today is about 300 miles east in the Atlantic. The Kensington Rune Stone is located on the zero magnetic declination line and is supported by the many triangle drilled holes to gather local magnetite to activate the lodestone compass. This took place in 1472. The 1362 date on the stone land claim was back dated by John to re-claim the pole line made 65 miles west of Kensington by an earlier expedition. Speculation is that Pal Knutson was the first to mark the west boundary of Vinland, because the mothers of the Kings of Portugal and Denmark were sisters and well aware of the New World called Vinland from the legends of the Viking fisherman and the sisters family history. Yes you can make a non-magnetic needle of .020 shim stock and place it in a plastic cup lid on top of a film of water and hold it over a dark stone to function as a compass or you can hold a known magnet under the needle and turn it as desired. Any idiot can do that. Yes their are additional stones that support the KRS, however Scott Wolter does not have the list.

12/17/2020 07:14:15 pm

Billy, you pound a rock to smithereens, dump it into another rock and the needle points to a meaningless direction. Kinda like your thoughts.

12/13/2020 08:11:05 pm

I know I am going to regret this but:

William, why on earth would someone be wearing a fish net anchor ???

"on a fish net anchor that was worn by a member of the Michael Corte Real 1511 expedition"

12/17/2020 09:40:09 am

Fish net anchors were used in nets when removing the cod fish from the stone V man made fish traps that still exist today off the shore of Newport R.I. Today these stone V traps are about 5 feet lower than when in use by the Portuguese fisherman at low tide. Small 8 man boats were used as tender ships for the main Caravel.
When Michael Corte Real lost his ship off the coast of Maine in 1502 as recorded on the Bourne Stone in N.H. during a voyage to find his brother Gasper who was lost in 1501 off the coast of Nova Scotia at Overton. Both crews made it to land by using the tender ships. Their common known base was Newport where they helped their father build. The tender ships were used for many years at Newport while waiting for younger brother named after his father Joao attempted to raise funding for an additional search which was never supported. The crews remained at Newport until 1511 when they met hostilities from the locals because of the same introduction of pneumonia to their tribe who had no immunity. The left a trail of many stones and explanations that ends in New Mexico. Many of these stones are messages carved on small fish net anchors which was custom gear in the tender ships.
The earlier reference to fish net anchors are identified in the Indian legend of the Great Peacemaker (Dalawanda ) who crossed the Lake Ontario from west to east in a stone canoe to tell the 5 nations the first Democracy. This voyage is also carved in stone at Copper Harbor Mich. when John Scolvus made his return trip to Newport in 1472 by way of a small tender ship with fish net anchors and small square sail. The stone anchors were used for ballest as well as net anchors when under sell. These stones made a good surface to carve when spending time waiting for the fish to bite or moving at the mercy of the wind. Members of the Michael Corte Real crew were fisherman and did not have a complete understanding of the runic alphabet, however they did have a self established symbol alphabet that was used in the fish net anchor with 25 symbols and a map on the Grave Creek Stone. The crew consisted of Members of the highest order of The Knights of Christ and Hebrew Jews who converted to this faith to avoid persecution. They all came from the home port of Portugal in the Azores. The WHY they would be wearing it is to record their life or their travels.

12/18/2020 08:47:25 pm

Billy, since the Grave Creek stone is a proven fraud, your whole theory goes in the trash bin.

12/14/2020 09:50:39 am

Hi William -

Don't help me out here.

The physical remains found at Grave Creek are covered by Jarrell. No tall people. Let me repeat that: no tall people.

Lepper has claimed that the Grave Creek Tablet is a forgery based on an example seen in a Spanish book, and Jason has repeated Lepper's claim. But Jason did not provide us with that image in his book, which is a fact that I attribute to Lepper's own publishing aspirations.

I have a little famliarity with Mediterranean Bronze Age inscriptions, and all I can say is that the Grave Creek Tablet is in conformation. I would like to see Leppers image, or even be given a hard citation.

12/14/2020 12:28:25 pm

EP - Thanks for the advice on the Grave Creek Tablet and reported Giants found with it. My research is unrelated to the people mentioned who have expressed their opinion and end the end claim it is another fake. Lepper can say it is a fake, He has claimed other stones as fake, however he can not back up his fake claim. I can not post on this site the photo of the reproduced Grave Creek Stone, however the top three lines consisting of 25 symbols (not letters) are a message that explains the location and supports the 4th line map on the stone. The map shows the voyage starting in the mid-atlantic 6 magnetic declination degrees west of Portugal main land at zero declination, it ends at zero pole line marked at Kensington Mn. with a longitude mark to identify the grave creek location the journey to west Vinland. I frankly do not give a dam what Lepper, Wolter, and many on this site try to attach to unsupported facts.

12/14/2020 08:44:16 pm

Priceless, Billy and Eddy arguing unsupported facts.......

12/15/2020 09:34:01 am

This is not at all to distract from Lepper, Jason , Wolter, EP or the Smithsonian or any one else, however when you look at the poor research and what replaces a giant in an Indian mound that has a tablet with 14th century markings and a map at its bottom may for ever be hard to prove as fact. When you look at the published history and not physical evidence you will see the publishers of the history are the problem. The Smithsonian is at the top of the list of poor handlers in that they lost the original tablet and published giant skeleton. After the experts have voiced their expert opinion over the years and the 11 foot giant was reduced to 7 foot as well as the original tablet is lost and replaced with clay copies. Any opinion can work today, hell you could say the Templars shit the tablet and a big Templar died from constapation.
However when you sort the original work of the reports of find you just may wish to use common sense to provide the explanation for the giants and tablets (Grave Cree Stone). My offer to the experts are as follows. In 1511 the short legged Bison were plentiful in Ohio. It was the main food source for the Hopewell and earlier tribes. Brad Lepper's Hopewell road from Newark to Chillacathie was 50 miles long and 100 yards wide but was were only two feet high on each side. This road continues 50 miles south to Manchester Ohio at the Ohio River three island location (Massy Station) allowing the short legged bison to migrate north from Kentucky into Ohio each year and be contained in the 100 mile long Hopewell road which I have named The Killing Field of the Hopewell. These short legged Bison had a jump limit of 2 feet and were last observed by the early white settlers traveling down the Ohio shooting them for sport. The Corte Real group killed one and had a feast at the WV site and left the skeleton for you all to call it a giant. If you spend time translating the 25 letters and comparing the many amulets made from fish net anchors you may have your opinion. I have mine and a few more fish net anchors that help explain the symbols. If a dumb ass like me can find it I am sure you experts like you will have no problem. I will reply to all responses to this post.

12/15/2020 11:55:41 am

Hi William -

Please do not help me out here.

I have some familiarity with early Mediterranean writing systems. When I saw the Grave Creek Tablet (or rather the copies thereof) it "smelled" good (it was consistent with what I had seen, and I had seen everything available).

Lepper has claimed that it was copied from a Spanish book, and Jason has repeated his claim That is one inscription I have not seen. I am waiting for the full publication of the original. It is not shown in the current Spanish publications of their early inscriptions.

Jarrell went through the excavation reports in depth - I refer you to his book.I should also mention here that Jarrell has the respect of many local archaeologists in W.Va I have drank at their local bars,and hope to do so again after this plague is done.

My colleague Fletcher Wilson is a retired electrical lineman and knows most of Ohio like the palm of his hand. We have traced the bison migration routes here. The eastern bison are not known to many archaeologists, little less their migration routes.

What iare the Corte Real group records you keep referring to?
The Spanish who followed DeSoto into the Cherokee lands? Their route is well known.

12/15/2020 05:36:35 pm

EP - No problem, I will not address the second half of the Michael Corte Real journey, as it supports the first half. This link may show one side of the coin, however the back side ends up in New Mexico, not by Spanish but Portuguese and Hebrews. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FxlCG6ImQ6Div_wLBsFpcUq7TNeH7qSu/view?usp=sharing

12/15/2020 09:00:18 pm

Billy and Eddy, need to look up James W Clemens, probably even here on Jason’s blog. As for short legged bison, there were plains bison and woodland bison, but bison with short legs? Maybe try pigs. And misidentifying a bison skeleton for a human giant? Last time I saw bison they had hooves and horns. Now if you were talking about Vikings.....

12/15/2020 11:21:55 pm

Miguel Corte-Real was a Portuguese, not very popular with Canadian American Indians. Evidence of his reaching what is now the U.S. is best described as as skimpy.

The most comprehensive records are to be found among the documents of the Cardassian Peace Conference during the 2nd Rigelian Empire.

12/16/2020 12:14:30 pm

Paul - Anyone and everyone who works through Eastern mid-atlantic area contact records is familiar with the Easter Bison. Your own ignorance of them is not my problem.

Kent - Miguel existed.I suppose it is too bad that Farley Mowat did not write him up.

12/16/2020 05:21:38 pm

Eddy, what the hell is an Easter bison?

12/16/2020 08:33:58 pm

Paul - Eastern bison were animals about which you know nothing. But then as you are not an archaeologist or historian working with contact period records, you have no immediate need to know anything about them.

I also need to point out to you that since no one is paying me to assemble the materials on them and write them up. Where the hell is your check accompanying your demand for information?

I am going to repeat Doc Rock's note again, in case you missed it:

"Don Dragoo was a respected professional archaeologist who did a metric butt ton of fieldwork and produced dozens of site reports, articles, and monographs. He simply reported on uncovering skeletal remains estimated at around 7'2" at a site. He wasn't a wacko but rather has had this information appropriated by wackos to support the existence of nephilim, a race of giant Indians, supersized Israelites or whatever nonsense wacko people might come up with if they hear about an NBA sized skeleton popping up.."

Thank you, Doc. That sums it up exactly.

Here is the latest from the field: https://youtu.be/aBFlFRLnzk8

The height gene survives among the Osage, and to a far lesser extent among Cherokee: https://youtu.be/TbM4vHcRyz0

12/17/2020 03:36:22 pm

Eddy, you might get a check when your information sells. Unfortunately for you, pseudo is bull****. As for your eastern bison, the ones that you refer to, the ones that went extinct, how do you know their jumping habits? Forgot more about bison than you will know.
43 species of megafauna went extinct? Why just megafauna? Why not other species? Why are there still megafauna? If the environment was so toxic, why were the extinctions just localized?
Your idiocy astounds.....apparent your lack of history and science.

12/17/2020 06:06:49 pm

E.P. - You do not need help, however in that Kent made a statement that Michael Corte Real was known in ancient Canadian Indian folk lore is bull shit again. Michael Corte Real was never in contact with Canadian Indians.
Attached is a link to the two types of known Bisons and their difference which will explain why some species of Bison, can not jump as high as the Plains Bison. The Kents, Jims and others that claim knowledge on the subject can not tell a horse from a cow even though they eat the same grasses they shit in balls or puddles. They do not know shit. https://www.nps.gov/articles/bison-bellows-2-25-16.htm

12/18/2020 08:54:10 pm

Billy, that is funny. You have to cite a government document about bison. Shows you do not know what you are talking about. You are probably one of those guys that are looking in the distance when walking through a cattle yard. And you still have not explained how anyone digging in graves can mistake a bison skeleton for a human skeleton.

12/19/2020 09:52:11 pm

William,

What are your thoughts on the number 1488 encoded on the Grave Creek Stone? I've seen explanations ranging as far as time travel.

12/13/2020 12:51:37 pm

Pardon my off topic post but I thought some here might find this humorously interesting.

Good old Diana Muir, lately of the Henry Sinclair Journal fame with our buddy Scott Wolter, who (Muir) also wrote books on the ancestry of Wolter and Hutton Pulitzer bestowing upon them the Royal and glorious ancestry of the Merovingian dynasty, Sea-Kings of Sweden, Templar crusaders among others is now trying to cash in on the Trump bandwagon.

https://www.lulu.com/en/ca/shop/diana-muir/ancestry-of-donald-trump/paperback/product-ejv8wz.html?page=1&pageSize=4

"Ancestry of Donald Trump
From Kings and Crusaders to President of the USA"

Same old, same old ancestry as she has given to everyone else:

" his family is anything but ordinary. His father's side, from Kallstad, Germany extends back more than 50 generations to the early Kings, Counts and royal families of Van Kessel, Van Leuven, and Bourgogne, to Childeric and the Merovingian dynasty."

" also extend back to the Merovingian dynasty and the Sea-Kings of Sweden and Norway. Along the way, many attended the Crusades, some as Knight Templars. It is easy to see that the President seems to have inherited all the passion and authority of his distant ancestors"

God almighty when will this shameless cash grab stop.
She tweeted Trump for attention:

https://twitter.com/dianamuir66/status/1331022747581952003

Great stuff

12/13/2020 06:08:19 pm

Thanks for that info.
Just goes to show the rubbish and ignorance that still pervades in pseudo-genealogy babble.

Baptismal Records were only introduced during the 15th century and even then they weren't guaranteed proof of genuine lineage.

12/13/2020 10:17:16 pm

Actually baptismal records were introduced in the early ADs, in a little place called Galilee.

A Difference

12/14/2020 12:47:33 pm

There's a difference between a Census and a Baptismal Register and that - assuming for argument's sake - there was a historical Jesus - could not have exited before his alleged death and resurrection.

12/14/2020 04:20:42 pm

So the name John the Baptist doesn't ring even the tiniest bell with you? Ever heard of a book called the Bible? Pretty sure it records a Baptism but you probably know best.

John the obvious

12/14/2020 07:18:12 pm

Joe kent is whipping up a great fruit salad with that apples and oranges logic.

Big difference between official church records and a general description of someone getting dunked. Unless you accept the word of GAAAwd or the social pages of the Dognut, Arkansas Times as the same type of records as those found in a catholic church.

CONFUSED KENT

12/15/2020 03:13:15 am

Even assuming that John the Baptist existed, how can a Census be accepted as a Baptism Register (duh, accepting Luke's Nativity story is historically factual, since it is contradicted by Matthews nativity story).

12/15/2020 10:02:11 am

Looks like Muir is not the only one trying to get on the Trump gravy train.

Jovan Hutton Pulitzer:

https://twitter.com/SecretWeaponUSA/status/1338630852146851840

Pulitzer has chosen Trump to be mark mark in his latest scam !!!
lol,lol

Get the popcorn ready, given the current state of affairs it's quite possible that Donald J Trump and/or his sycophants takes the bait hook line and sinker.

Somebody call Rachel Maddow,,,, and hilarity ensued !

12/16/2020 09:39:46 am

https://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/12/14/ground-truth-pattern-recognition-specialist-says-over-300k-pa-mail-in-ballots-never-processed-by-ups/

" Sam Faddis talks with Jovan Hutton Pulitzer, pattern recognition specialist and inventor,"

"pattern recognition specialist" more accolades for Pulitzer !

12/15/2020 10:27:54 am

Further to Pulitzer's nonsense, it looks like one of the top Trumpy lawyers has taken up the call !!!!

This is hilarious.

https://twitter.com/llinwood/status/1337793333045964801

12/15/2020 08:06:12 pm

Leaving aside the many many many enormous problems with the Biblical account of the Census of Quirinius, leaving aside the scholarly consensus, we can absolutely *ignore* the problems with the varying Nativity accounts disagreeing because the supposed baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist supposedly happened when he was around 30 years old, far from any Nativity account.

The idea that I suggested that a supposed census was the equivalent of a baptismal record is Ludacrisssss as Bill O'Reilly would say.

Be best.

12/16/2020 12:39:08 pm

What are you talking about Kent ?

"Actually baptismal records were introduced in the early ADs, in a little place called Galilee."

"So the name John the Baptist doesn't ring even the tiniest bell with you? Ever heard of a book called the Bible? Pretty sure it records a Baptism but you probably know best."

You are all over the map with this,,,,,Jesus wasn't baptized in Galilee, he was Baptized about 5 miles north of the Dead Sea, not in Galilee.

Your need to argue and your continual moving of the goalposts continues to make you look silly.

12/16/2020 04:04:54 pm

In the sense that "in the Jordan River" is a technical geographical term for "five miles north of the Dead Sea" you are quite correct. If you want to argue that Galilee ended at the water's edge, that's your lookout.
Matt. 3, John 3.

Your obsession with me should be troubling, but things like this let us know who the boobs are. I'm not even the one saying Jesus was baptized, you are. Jim.

12/16/2020 07:42:22 pm

Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River almost 90 miles south of the southern-most boundary of Galilee.

"Qasr el Yahud, one of the most important sites for Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land, is identified as the traditional site of Jesus’ baptism. The place is located in the wilderness of the Jordan River Valley, north of the Dead Sea and east of Jericho."

https://www.jpost.com/travel/around-israel/jesus-and-the-jordan-river

Kent: ,,, "I'm not even the one saying Jesus was baptized, you are. Jim. "

Then what the hell ARE you talking about Kent ?
What Galilee baptism are you referring to that is recorded in the Bible ?
If you are going to argue something, could you at least tell us what it is you are arguing, or are you going to figure that out later ?
The bible is not a certificate of baptism,,,,ya know ?

Hey the internet says Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, I suppose the internet serves as a marriage certificate ! SMFH

HollyDolly

12/17/2020 05:01:44 pm

Yeah, where have we heard these stories before. I seem to recall when Trump was elected president, that some news hounds with AP or some other agency ,went to the town his grandfather or great grandfather lived in before coming to America. The citizens were asked Aren't you excited about this?"The president coming from your town? And the answer was Nah.They could have cared less. And everyone is a merovingian nowadays and everyone a Knights Templar. I could claim I'm related to Mad Ludwig of Bavaria and Kaiser Wilhelm too.Who knows, maybe I am, but right now any trip to Nuremberg to see the family history book is out of the question. Grandma definetly had relatives who were knights, only they belonged to the Livonian Knights of the Sword in Riga.The Gestapo ferreted that out when her first cousin,Reinhold von Lilienschild was accused of being jewish.Wasn't jewish at all, but fled Germany because they were going to arrest him anyways. Think this business with Trump is a pipe dream.

12/17/2020 01:40:30 pm

"Don Dragoo was a respected professional archaeologist who did a metric butt ton of fieldwork and produced dozens of site reports, articles, and monographs. He simply reported on uncovering skeletal remains estimated at around 7'2" at a site. He wasn't a wacko but rather has had this information appropriated by wackos to support the existence of nephilim, a race of giant Indians, supersized Israelites or whatever nonsense wacko people might come up with if they hear about an NBA sized skeleton popping up.."

Hi Doc -

Thank yo so very much - that petty well sums it up. A few more notes on these skeletons for anyone who might stumble by here in the future...

Dragoo was not alone. His colleague Neuman was excavating across the Ohio River in Steubenvlille, and had found similar sized skeletons, Dragoo also later excavated at Romney and found the same thing again Details are in their excavation records.

The last time I spoke with him, Jason Jarrell had enough excavation reports on the large sized skeletons to fill yet another book. Take a look, as he is no crank.I hope the W. Va. archaeologists take him under their wing.

We have reports from Moorehead working in coastal Canada as well. And the reports set out in "Man and Impact in the Americas"

The association of these remains with X mt DNA is mine - I spotted it first. The current attempts by some people to split X mt DNA into two groups is not well founded, nor is it necessary.

We have this peculiar situation where the field is split into two factions, those who have excavated these remains and those who do not know s*** but are very willing to vocally share their ignorance.

With any luck, the vaccine will be available and I will conduct a discussion session at the bars at next year's AAA convention.

I am off to hunt for DeSoto. By the way, my Etruscan Dictionary is doing well.

12/17/2020 03:34:56 pm

The "wackos" are easy to identify.

12/17/2020 06:39:03 pm

"The "wackos" are easy to identify."

Yep.

12/17/2020 04:44:26 pm

I think it is time to break out that bottle of absinthe that I have been saving for a particularly rainy intellectual day.

12/17/2020 06:44:46 pm

I do not know if you could sneak absinthe into the bar at the AAA, but you have stumbled into material that could serve you well for the rest of your career, if you have guts enough to use it. In the end, sticking with the data will serve you well.

12/17/2020 07:12:08 pm

And I'm going to treat my body like an amusement park with a Glamour magazine but in either case I fail to see the relevance.

12/18/2020 08:38:40 pm

Kent, you fail to see the relevance because you do not work in this field.

12/19/2020 02:40:50 am

I'm retired so there is no rest of my career to be served well by acknowledging that a relatively well known monograph mentions a set of skeletal remains that were estimated to be roughly the same height as the center on my favorite college basketball team.

Understanding the appropriation of this information by those who have been floating too long in that sea of swirly twirly gumdrops serves people like Jason quite well though.

The AAA meetings are boring. The SFAA conference has better fights.

They will let me bring my absinthe into my 5th favorite watering hole if I so desire.

One of the waitresses at my 3rd favorite pub has a sister who appeared in Glamour.

12/19/2020 09:55:10 am

Hi Doc -

I have never been to an SFAA meeting, just the archaeolgy and anthropology annuals.My cousin lives in the Norfolk area, so we'll see.

Where ddi you work at? It is likely that at one time or another the area was affected by impact.

It is strange. I run into tall Cherokee and Osage descendants of X mt DNA ever year on the powwow circuit, and here on the net I have people telling me they don't exist.

12/19/2020 02:34:42 pm

"Kent, you fail to see the relevance because you do not work in this field."

Bothering a dentist doesn't make you a dentist. But bothering the guy who's bothering the dentist makes the dentist's day a bit easier.

"I run into tall Cherokee and Osage descendants of X mt DNA ever year on the powwow circuit, and here on the net I have people telling me they don't exist."

The "powwwow circuit" again? What are you, circus folk? How do you check their DNA and how is it that you cannot show any photographs?

"When Mozart was my age he'd been dead for two years"
- Tom Lehrer

12/17/2020 05:09:56 pm

"The last time I spoke with him, Jason Jarrell had enough excavation reports on the large sized skeletons to fill yet another book. Take a look, as he is no crank."
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http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/victorian-mound-builder-myth-recycled-yet-again

"The authors of the piece, Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer, are devoting themselves to a project to “document” how Old World peoples were the true Mound Builders. (They also hunt Bible giants, whom they consider to be among the New World colonists.) The description must be read to be believed:"

"They, for example, accept uncritically the Victorian claim that the Serpent Mound of Ohio is similar to the fictitious serpent mound of Loch Nell, a natural glacial formation known since the nineteenth century not to be a manmade earthwork."
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http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-the-smithsonian-try-to-cover-up-giant-skeletons-in-west-virginia-youll-never-guess-what-the-facts-say

"Today I want to point to an article running at Ancient Origins in which gigantologists Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer try to make the case that the Smithsonian engineered a cover-up of giants uncovered in a West Virginia mound."

12/18/2020 08:21:29 pm

Ales Hrdlicka was a well known racist. His suppression of large Native American remains is well known.

12/18/2020 11:33:58 pm

Are those two sentences connected ? Or do you and your buddies always start with character assassination,, seems to be becoming a bit of a pattern.

12/22/2020 05:37:42 pm

I for one would be interested in hearing Mr. Grondine laying out the details of Mr. Hrdlička's racism. I'm always up for a good dancing bear show.

One man's "coverup" is another man's "properly filing".

12/17/2020 07:18:15 pm

“We have this peculiar situation where the field is split into two factions, those who have excavated these remains and those who do not know s*** but are very willing to vocally share their ignorance.”

Eddy P, obviously you are not in the first group, so, therefore, you have to belong to the second group. Your words.

E.P Grondine

12/18/2020 08:30:37 pm

Hi Paul -

Note the qualifier "the field". I do not conduct excavations but work with traditional histories and excavation reports.

https://youtu.be/aBFlFRLnzk8

I hope this clears up any confusion you may have. I suppose I'll have to walk you though impact events very, very, very slowly.

12/19/2020 12:22:04 am

No need, Eddy P. Could not stomach your garbage. See there is a Holocene Impact Working Group composed of actual, researchers with credentials, that has been around long before you put out your self-published nonsense. Why have they not asked you to be in their group or cited your work? Think that even you can figure that out.
Done here, won’t watch another second of your crap on YouTube.

12/19/2020 10:10:55 am

Hi Paul -

I was in correspondence with most of the members of the HIWG before it was formed. I am not a geologist.

While you can avoid "my garbage", work on recent asteroid and comet impacts will be around you for the rest of your life

And anthropologists working with Andaste remains will be as well.

So I can take a certain comfort knowing that you will be in your own hell.

12/19/2020 10:13:24 am

EP - I agree with your work and process for looking at traditional histories and excavation reports. The subject of The Grave CreeTablet is best recapped in the 2020 book on the same by Michael Burk. The base of this short publication is the personal Notebooks of Delf Norona. Well worth the $7.00 from Amazon. When you look at the details of the actual finders notes you will read of another small tablet that was discarded. What is not in the book and my reason of interest in the subject is other fish net anchors that help translate the 25 symbols and map that is on the clay cast of this well studied artifact. The book only reports the finding facts and following miss-handling of the same. It is the modern day self appointed experts like Scott Wolter, Jim, Kent, Paul that distort and confuse the listeners who want the truth.

12/19/2020 10:31:28 am

E.P - This is to let you know the THOR group backs your professional manner of research and will always share information that may lead to the facts. The group of three on this site continue to talk with a alligator mouth and a humming bird ass. A good example (Ah, Billy Smithy, nice to see you. Believe your comment is quite fitting for yourself. There is no one who can sling it like you. You and Eddy P are almost, not there yet, but near to the likes of Wolter, Muir and Ruh. You and Eddy P could be considered the sidekicks of stupidity. Maybe your beloved Sclovus got wacked by a comet impact while he was grinding magnetite.) I assure you people who can not read or understand a compass are lost.

12/19/2020 03:39:16 pm

Don't see where HIWG is exclusive to geologists and I would hope that there will continue to be reputable archaeologists and historians working the Andaste and every other nations' history indefinitely. That is more your hell. Just as science is.
As for Eddy P's and Billy's feeding each other's ego, have at it. Obvious that others aren't, given that THOR is at the most 3 people, one of which is Billy's wife.
The twisted science, history and other disciplines that you pretend to have some knowledge of is obviously a waste. There is no rational thought behind it, merely juvenile opionions.
If it were rational, some postive discussion could be had, but forget that.
Or in terms that Billy would maybe understand, (Eddy, too), your opinions don't amount to a microbe in the gut of a flea on the back of a piss ant. If they did, then maybe even Childress might publish your scribbling.

12/19/2020 03:09:30 pm

Paul,

Sadly you have excommunicated yourself. You will never have access to .... handcrafted by some random Indian Bic lighter sheaths. The horror!

William,

As The Sound of Music taught us, how do you solve a problem like a mental patient? "It is the modern day self appointed experts like Scott Wolter, Jim, Kent, Paul that distort and confuse the listeners who want the truth." You forgot the al Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations. I do not appreciate being bundled in with Jim and I rather expect he feels the same way. Then you call Chief Grondine "a sidekick of stupidity". While that is quite correct, you can forget about the powwow circuit my friend.

Your psychotic eschewal of whitespace, your aggressive lying about the Portuguese, your whatever is below nursery school understanding of magnetism and declination and your peculiar belief that declination can be retroactively extrapolated suggest that you should be isolated from other human beings so as not to bother them.

12/19/2020 03:19:41 pm

I find it amusing when the self appointed experts show their stupidity when using Star War movies as a reference to the history and legends of the Native Americans. (Miguel Corte-Real was a Portuguese, not very popular with Canadian American Indians. Evidence of his reaching what is now the U.S. is best described as as skimpy.

The most comprehensive records are to be found among the documents of the Cardassian Peace Conference during the 2nd Rigelian Empire.)
Keep in mind it is Kent who is using Star Wars as a reference. At least Scott Wolter has a base for his claims.

12/22/2020 06:39:12 pm

Still not Star Wars. Dude, what the heck is your major malfunction?

12/19/2020 07:16:06 pm

Well, Paul, once again you are demonstrating your complete ignorance of the field.

If you are one of Dallas Abbott's graduate students, "Man and Impact in the Americas" is "recommended" reading. But then you do not "do" impact geology nor mega-tsunami research.

I knew the others as well long before the group formed.

(I have a small collection of materials related to the "Great Wall of Water", impact mega-tsunami, which Ted Bryant was the first to spot.My guess is that you know nothing about his book.)

Childress does not own "Man and Impact in the Americas". I am glad to see Chldress doing Ancient Aliens, which in my opinion is much healthier than Theosphist cult archaeology.

I see where Jason's book has been picked up by Oklahoma University Press. I hope they are giving him a good percentage. It will be interesting to see if the make the small improvements in the book which in my view are very much needed. They will undoubtedly secure publication rights to the original illustration of the Grave Creek Inscription, among other items

My ancestor's village site is now protected by the State of Maryland.

Why don't you get back to me when you learn something about the field? .It will make out exchanges so much more pleasant.

12/22/2020 07:52:04 pm

What field are you talking of other than those who are suffering from some type of insanity? You certainly have no particular claim on any type of esoteric knowledge. And you certainly are not rational. And you certainly aren’t part Shawnee, the insane Dr Muir proved that in a 2015 exchange with you. So to put it nicely, about the only field that I see you in is one deep in bull****.

12/22/2020 05:25:12 pm

Their is no 1488 on the Grave Creek Stone. The stone was carved in or after 1511 and is supported by 19 other stones on the Michael Corte Expedition that started in 1502. Michael was a fisherman and navigator that did not have runic skills other than symbols and maps relating to the secrets of the Portuguese Knights of Christ lodestone compass and magnetic declination. Their are over 20 stones and sights that support one another as well as Native American Indian legends. Check the legend at The Falls of the Ohio, when you study the 6 knights in armor, coins and Turkish Helmet with a m=nose guard. The experts call it a Spanish Helmet however the Spanish had no nose guard. The 25 symbols on the Grave Creek stone are (With a sun dial compass- the latitude reading- at this location- pointing north -the sun dial -new reading of latitude -is one unit less -than old latitude,- the west longitude - is lower -than the old,- the new longitude east and west- is getting less- as measured with the sun dial -at true north-. At our old sun dial location- were attacked by native Americans with- bow and arrow,- We are Knights of Christ (represented by the triangle as on the Newport Tower).- The map below shows we are from the east coast going to west Vinland.)
Each symbol is like a picture drawn by a fisherman who only graduated from Henry the Navigator school of navigation and obtained the highest order of Christ as did his father and brothers. In the translation above each symbol is separated by a dash mark. Their is no 1488 on the Grave Creek Stone. It is also carved on a fish net stone that lost its function as a weight because the hole in one end that once was complete according to the plastic mold replica is now open. Note: The partial hole is support that the stone had a hole in it before the end broke off.

12/22/2020 06:24:14 pm

So you're all in with the No 1488 Faction? You seem to present a translation ("We are Knights of Christ..."). Would you care to outline how you arrived at it?

12/22/2020 07:54:27 pm

Certainly, the Grave Creek Stone was carved after 1511, try something like 1830. Can you spell H-O-A-X?

12/23/2020 03:38:45 pm

"If anyone knows how to correct Wikipedia, I'd like to know."

Wikipedia has a policy that anyone so stupid that they have to ask how to correct Wikipedia doesn't get to correct Wikipedia.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+correct+wikipedia

12/23/2020 10:36:29 am

Mr. Smith,

As someone who's been studying cartography, celestial cartography, and actual factual maps and globes from the era, I can confidently state, YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT and focusing upon people almost 500 years too late for the party. There were a multitude of explorers from various countries, regions, and kingdoms.

There are HUNDREDS of genes which dictate height. Not just one.

There was no North Star at the time. Polaris had to be triangulated.

If anyone knows how to correct Wikipedia, I'd like to know. They seem to be suffering from William Smith syndrome. They are attributing the invention of a constellation to a 17th century person. This is way too late. This particular constellation predates this dude by over 200 years. I'm speaking of the "Hunting Dogs of Bootes".

From Wikipedia:

"Canes Venatici /ˈkeɪniːz vɪˈnætɪsaɪ/ is one of the 88 official modern constellations. It is a small northern constellation that was created by Johannes Hevelius in the 17th century. Its name is Latin for 'hunting dogs', and the constellation is often depicted in illustrations as representing the dogs of Boötes the Herdsman, a neighboring constellation."

Then one comes across this AWESOME article written by Elly Dekker.

http://www.atlascoelestis.com/Vopel%202010%20base.htm

"The most important characteristic of Vopel's printed globe is a series of iconographic peculiarities that do not derive from Dürer's maps. They also do not occur on the manuscript globe or on the woodcuts in the 1534 edition of Hyginus. This series is comprised by images for Antinous and Coma Berenices, Boötes accompanied by hunting dogs"

In the words of Dr Phil McGraw, "That dog don't hunt". Those hunting dogs predate the 17th century by at least 200 years. Wikipedia like William Smith is wrong!

"Canadian Archaic"...Is this a really good whiskey or your pet name for Jim. I don't think Kent is Canadian. I don't get the impression Paul is either. Must be Jim, or a bottle of hooch you picked up on the Canadian pow wow circuit. Do the native peoples a real solid favor and zip it.

12/31/2020 01:19:48 pm

It would be good to understand what the hell you are talking about and just why you are stating I said the bull shit you address as on Wikipedia. I do not connect the North Star or any other star but the sun to navigation. You need to re-read the post to see who is full of shit SIR before you continue to express your stupidity.

1/1/2021 10:52:11 pm

Yes, William. I got two super spreaders confused after reading their online bromance of bullshit. It happens when a new muscle relaxer kicks in on you halfway through. I stand behind everything, I said. You are one of many who simply makes up shit and quote from Wikipedia like it's the infallible online Word of God. It's not. I simply provided one example, where they attribute something to a 17th century person which can actually be traced back to the 1400s. I was making an analogy between Wikipedia and you, William. Your information is hundreds of years too late to be relevant to the discussion.

Soon, William. Soon your line of crap will dry up and blow away when disproven by real facts. Part of my family are the "Jews" you have made up things about. Some of your bullshit is extremely offensive and flat out wrong.

You seem hung up on Thor, William. Do you have a Chris Hemsworth poster above your bed?

1/2/2021 10:20:56 am

Anthony- At least I give you credit for correcting your statements which is more than the other self appointed experts on this site.
THOR isa group I formed in 1977 after finding theOhio Rock on my farm in Ohio. I and my group have spent many years researching this 500 lb stone. We had no WEEKYWACKY or even internet when we started. It was with snail mail and black and white photos which cost out of pocket money to mail to the so called experts at most university's. The responses we got back were placed in 4 categories from about 50 responses.
After 42 years we find the Ohio Rock has a signature of a shield that represents the military order of The Knights of Christ and the function of the stone is two fold. It is a mold to make a sun dial with a known angle of 26.5 degrees north established by using the Holy Stone currently in a small museum in Newark Ohio and called a fake by the experts. On this holy stone in ancient Hebrew letters which we found odd.
Additional research has surfaced many reported fake stones with ancient Hebrew letters which we have visited the sites and established the 5Ws of these Hebrew artifacts. Some of our findings include the following.
1- The Grave in Nova Scotia 1558
2- The Decaloge Stone
3- The Holy stone
4- The Bat Creek Stone
5- The Heavener Oklahoma 4 stones
6- The 4 sites and stones in New Mexico
In summary these items and carvings are from the expedition of Michael Corte Real in 1502 through 1511 and it started in southern Maine and ended in New Mexico.
This bull shit is not from WIKKIWAKIE as you say, it is from true research. THOR (The Hunters of Ohio Rock) is not Scott Wolter and the History Chanel.
Scott Wolter is not a fact finding researcher, he is a author of information that is all over the WIKIIWAKEE site if you wish to follow the real bull shit.

1/2/2021 02:25:16 pm

Perfect logic. To use false and acknowledged hoaxes to prove an additional hoax. Makes perfect sense, not. What an idiot!

1/2/2021 04:51:59 pm

"6- The 4 sites and stones in New Mexico
In summary these items and carvings are from the expedition of Michael Corte Real in 1502 through 1511 and it started in southern Maine and ended in New Mexico."

That would be impressive if it had actually happened. Sadly it fails not only the sniff test but the if test.

1/3/2021 06:18:28 pm

That's interesting.

"In summary these items and carvings are from the expedition of Michael [funny name for a Portagee] Corte Real in 1502 through 1511 and it started in southern Maine and ended in New Mexico."

On 7/13/2020 you wrote that Corte Real died "at the Falls of the Ohio". Further you wrote:

"In 1501 Gasper Corte Real had a crew of fisherman made up of Cryptic Jews from Portugal who were converted to Knights of Christ. This was the main source of people the King wanted to remove from Portugal."

So they were the Hitlers of their day? Digging Jews out of their hidey-holes and sending them over the sea? No wonder you like to say 1488.

12/23/2020 10:53:24 am

THOR can support 1511 on the Grave Creek Stone - Unlike Kent 1488 date or Paul's 1830 date. Which has no basis. THOR can also support the 1472 carving date on the KRS. and will do so in short time.

12/23/2020 03:18:40 pm

It's totes adorbs that you think I was presenting the number as a date. I simply asked a question. The object of the exercise was to get you to say the number over and over. Think about it.

1/2/2021 01:49:57 pm

THOR can also support the 1888 date on the Kansas City Slater Rune Stone, because we went to the site with a group of researchers who took soil core samples that indicated the site was not old, however after proper translation of the runic letters and symbols on the stone we found it was carved in 1888 by Mr Slater in recognition to a wedding. Our work is recorded with the State of MO. archaeology department and is the only academic rune stone in the USA that is recorded and accepted as authentic.
!888 was made by the symbols in a vertical alignment below the heart of the message by a 1 then 2 diamonds as (8) and another set of 2 diamonds (8) then the last set of diamonds as (8). making 1888. This date was confirmed by marriage certificate and local newspaper of the time. I do not through shit on the wall or numbers just to see if they stick.

1/2/2021 08:15:50 pm

It would be interesting to hear how your "team" dated the dirt.t

1/2/2021 09:36:30 pm

Paul and Kent use the acknowledged hoaxes, and the sniff and if test to do research. Their words not mine. I guess that is a good way to say they have their head up their ass.

1/2/2021 10:15:56 pm

Kent - You do not use the sniff or if test. You use a test approved by the state you are researching for testing Stone Age under the soil. You first contact the state agriculture department and find out how much time it takes to make virgin soil in the area you are working. You then take a core sample of the soil with a soil extractor tube that is calibrated in cm,s. You sift 1 cm at a time through 4 stages of screen and record the stones in size, and numbers for each cm of soil. When all stones have been removed from the core sample in their proper depth from the surface you look at each stone under microscope to see if it is formed with a chisel and has sharp corners or if it has rounded corners formed by nature. When you find the depth of soil above the sharp corner chips collected below the rock carving you compare this to the new soil rate from the Agriculture department. In the case of the Kansas City Slater stone the chips were less than 1 cm below the surface and the rate for that location was 1 cm/100 years. This made the carving date of 1900 +_ 50 years, 2010 - 100 years = 1910 =or- 50. OR 1888. THIS SOIL TESTING PROCESS WAS MADE BY MYSELF AND APPROVED BY DR RALPH ROWLETT (RETIRED PROFESSOR IN ARCHAEOLOGY AT UNIVERSITY OF MO.) It was also used at The Newport Tower, The Heavener Oklahoma site and a few others like the Michael Corte Real camp site in Northern Mass. (500 years old). I am a retired engineer and proof is at the six sigma level which separates it from fact and fiction.

1/2/2021 10:59:51 pm

So you date dirt by looking for stones with corners. When were chisels invented son? The Egyptians had chisels. SMFH.

And sorry, the power of your ALLCAPS does not compel me.

Check back when you learn to use whitespace.

1/3/2021 12:03:59 am

https://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/T%40S/sliders/2012/frankkirune.html

So that is your story and you are sticking to it. So what does this stone that recorded a historical event in historical times have to do with the frauds and hoaxes that you are promoting, Billy. I believe the saying is that you have your head up your arse. Why do you even bother with trying to sell your idiot ideas to rational people?

1/3/2021 12:44:23 am

And just maybe, the carver had dated the stone 1888? Christ.

1/3/2021 03:39:23 pm

"You use a test approved by the state you are researching for testing Stone Age under the soil."

I don't think capital letters mean what you thing they mean.

"separate it from fact and fiction" You write like someone with a learning disability.

1/3/2021 10:21:31 am

Paul and Kent _ I do address rational people, that is why I choose to not address you as I have stated in the past on this site. GOODBY

1/3/2021 03:30:36 pm

Goodby,

The convention is not to spring it on people but to say something like "Henceforth I shall be known as Goodby."

"hy I choose to not address you as I have stated in the past on this site" is internet code for "be on the lookout for my next post."

1/3/2021 04:21:02 pm

KENT
7/9/2020 06:12:37 pm [edited]
It should be kept in mind that you are:

The Thinks Toothpicks and Credit Cards are Measuring Tools Guy
The Can't Read the Treaty of Tordesillas Guy
The Thinks Photographing Something From Several Angles is 3-D Guy

Jason, this is not a personal attack, it's just bringing everyone up to speed. A personal attack would have mentioned his disdain for paragraphs. :)

1/3/2021 06:53:55 pm

Billy M Goodby, has a nice ring to it. Perhaps it will stick this time. As for your delusional, fantastical unreality, perhaps you should check in with https://www.shawneemhc.org/content/adams-county-clinic Hear they do wonderful work. Perhaps you could get Eddy to join you since he claims to be Shawnee. I would believe your THOR group would find an appointment acceptable, especially as THOR consists of you, your wife, dog and one other.
Billy, take a deep breath and repeat, reality is good, delusions are bad......