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Review of Ancient Aliens S16E10 "The Harmonic Code"

3/13/2021

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On Friday, a few hours before this episode of Ancient Aliens aired, The Atlantic magazine informed me that they would not be going forward with a planned article in which I would report on the influence QAnon conspiracies have taken from conspiracy theories airing on cable television shows like Ancient Aliens. (As per an agreement I signed with The Atlantic on March 15, I am contractually restrained from sharing additional information after that date.) They did, however, invite me to write something else for them in the coming months.

And then Ancient Aliens did an hour about sound waves vibrating connections to space aliens. So, it was that kind of a day.
As is usual this season, a roundtable of talking heads offer some light happy talk surrounding recycled segments from past episodes. They posit that the Biblical notion that God spoke to create the world makes sound an important part of … what, exactly? Somehow they seem to mean both science and theology at the same time. The first segment is about the word “Om,” which repeats material from an earlier episode. Chladni plate patterns are introduced as though they were mystical or had some sort of cosmological meaning beyond the interaction of sound and matter. They allege that Hindu temples reflect the same patterns, though geometric patterns are, well, geometric. Randomly, they start talking about vimanas, flying chariots of Indo-European heritage that were much later imagined as airplanes. We hear that the patterns are a secret code, like a locked “PDF file” (their words), that can somehow be read to give schematics for operating a spaceship. They don’t actually read them, of course, but are sure someone could with the right alien help.
 
The next segment discusses the physics of sound waves and their ability to seemingly defy gravity. The panel asserts that sound waves were used by the ancients to levitate stones, something that would be prima facie impossible without technology that would make the building of rough piles of stone irrelevant. Tsoukalos cites a medieval story that Merlin used magic to move Stonehenge to England as proof. They then discuss the medieval story of how the pyramids were built. They falsely claim that the Arabs alleged that the stones were levitated with sound after a visit from the Guardians of the Sky. This is false. The story, given in the Akhbar al-zaman, states that a magic spell on papyrus was laid on the block which could then be pushed and would slide amazingly far. Not the same. They attribute the story to al-Mas’udi, but he didn’t write it. They give the wrong author because Erich von Däniken accepted a nineteenth-century error in Col. Vyse’s Operations (1838), already known to be wrong by the end of the nineteenth century. Al-Mas’udi actually wrote this about the building of the pyramids, quoting a local expert: “They built the pyramids by stacking layers in degrees, like a staircase; then they polished them, scraping them from top to bottom. This was the process of a people who combined strength and admirable patience with a religious respect for their kings.”
 
The next segment describes destructive sounds from the Bible, such as the trumpets that bring down Jericho’s walls. Tsoukalos calls magical spells the “voice commands” for some Siri- or Alexa-style alien assistant, but the various other panelists seem confused about whether they are talking about using your voice to issue orders to machines or whether sonic energy is vibrating destructive waves or whether sound waves are used to encode messages to or from aliens. It’s all kind of mixed together and not clearly presented. Because it is all mixed up, the show can elide the use of acoustics in religious architecture to enhance music and meditation into any or all of the above without the need for evidence. They’ve covered this before.
 
After another break, we’re still on religious use of sound, this time for inducing trance states. The show alleges that going into a trance connects people to space aliens who are also gods, or something like that. It gets us back to the weird Ancient Aliens idea that aliens and gods are interchangeable and that to meet an entity from another planet is to experience spiritual ecstasy. I keep thinking of that sketch from SNL where Ryan Gosling has a spiritual, ethereal abduction and Kate McKinnon decidedly did not. It’s silly to imagine that a biological being from another planet has divine power, and equally silly to try to imagine that we need to rewrite spirituality as physical and material in order to give it the gloss of science and justify faith in the face of doubt.
 
A laughable segment follows alleging that the CIA achieved remarkably accurate results with its Project Stargate remote viewing project. Sure they did. There is no scientific evidence that remote viewing has any greater accuracy than random chance.
 
After another break, the show repeats (whether literally recycled or just reusing the same material with new footage, I didn’t care enough to check) a profile of Pythagoras, to whom is attributed the musical scale. The music of the spheres is discussed, but the show falsely alleges that Pythagoras described the heliocentric solar system as governed by ratios of vibration. He was describing the apparent motion of the planets in a geocentric system. Admitting that makes the “hidden, secret knowledge of the ancients” a lot less impressive.
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The final segment describes the “flower of life,” a set of overlapping circles that make a pretty pattern that can also be used to draw geometric forms. David Childress says it is a “highly technical” set of instructions for some scientific purpose he is too dim to understand. It’s just circles in the shape that any schoolkid with a compass has drawn while bored in math class.
 
But good news: We’re off until April! I wish the break was longer.
47 Comments
Kent
3/13/2021 01:20:28 pm

I would have gone ahead with the article without Wolter's input but I don't run The Atlantic.

They didn't discuss David Lynch's Weirding Modules? That's genuine extraterrestrial technology!

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Godwin is a romantic
3/14/2021 06:01:21 pm

Godwin is immersed in esoterica. To Godwin, esoterica is as real as a brick in a house.

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Cesar
3/13/2021 02:31:06 pm

A serious approach to the subject could start with Joscelyn Godwin

Harmonies of Heaven and Earth. The Spiritual Dimension of Music from Antiquity to the Avant-Garde. London: Thames & Hudson, 1987.

Music and the Occult. French Musical Philosophies 1750-1950. Rochester: University of Rochester Press; London: Boydell & Brewer, 1995.

The Mystery of the Seven Vowels in Theory and Practice. Grand Rapids: Phanes Press, 1991.

https://sites.google.com/a/colgate.edu/jgodwin/

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david brody
3/13/2021 06:24:28 pm

You can’t be surprised by this, Jason. For the better part of a decade you have staked out a position as “debunker” of any claim of pre-Columbian exploration of America. You and I have communicated on this point in the past—you make up your mind even before seeing the evidence. “No how, no way, not happening on my watch.” That is your right, clearly. But it hardly makes you an objective, detached observer, which is what a reporter should be. You are biased, and the Atlantic was right to decide your involvement would tarnish the story.

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Jim
3/14/2021 12:35:58 am

I dunno David, I'm thinking your Atlantis in America (the Caribbean) bias kind of trumps Jason's "bias" which happens to coincide with the opinion the vast majority of qualified and competent historians, or in other words, not a bias at all but rather the accepted and logical position.

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Jason Colavito link
3/14/2021 07:25:07 am

David,

(a) The Atlantic's issue was not with me or my writing, which they fully supported. I will not share internal discussions in a public forum, but if you would like to discuss this privately, I am happy to explain the issues your friend Scott caused with his behavior.

(b) Magazine journalism is not the same as news reporting. Magazine writers can and do have perspectives. The Atlantic employs David "Axis of Evil" Frum as a senior editor, for example.

(c) The original piece was about corporate strategy and QAnon, and it had nothing to do with Wolter. It was planned long before the America's Stonehenge arrest. I knew the moment the America's Stonehenge vandal was reported to have given Wolter a shout-out that the story was doomed. Wolter could have let himself look good in a major magazine by using the one or two sentences where he'd appear to condemn QAnon, but instead... well, we saw what happened. He talked himself out of looking good in one of the world's most prestigious magazines, in front of an audience of thought leaders and media elites larger than he's had since his show was canceled. He can now return safely to his blog and fringe podcasts.

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Doc rock
3/14/2021 09:08:01 am

I have has seen Wolter TV appearances and listened to his podcasts and radio interviews, read some of his writings, and looked at how he reacts to probing questions and criticism on his blog. I'm not sure how one can maintain objectivity in writing about him. People tend to see him as either a wingnut or as some sort of messiah exposing the true history. I've conducted hundreds of interviews with a wide range of people. Never had much trouble keeping a straight face. I don't think I could do that with Wolter, though.

If you have already worked on the story why not seek an alternative outlet. Unless there is some sort of snag with intellectual property rights given that it was developed in cooperation with the Atlantic? Ma

Paul
3/14/2021 01:39:30 pm

Pointless to try to discuss anything. Atlantis was a construct to advance an argument. Templars in North America are a fiction. No horses, cattle, legitimate artifacts. Hoaxed artifacts, scratched rocks and imagined, fictitious connections don’t cut it. And you wonder why you or Scottie can not get actual historians or researchers to debate you. My guess is if you would have an actual construct based on reality it might help. Otherwise, recognize fiction for what it is. So, your books do sell. Uncritical minds are non discerning and you certainly know how to take advantage. I would not read your stuff if it was given to me.

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Anthony G.
3/15/2021 07:19:42 am

"Pointless to try to discuss anything."

With you? Yes. You bring nothing to the table.

"Templars in North America are a fiction. No horses, cattle, legitimate artifacts. Hoaxed artifacts, scratched rocks and imagined, fictitious connections don’t cut it."

What about historical works of cartography? Over 300 and counting depicting the relic church now called the Newport Tower.

"I would not read your stuff if it was given to me."

Well that explains why you joined the group of Orange Peter and Canadian Mary. When Jim and kent are the two loudest voices, You might look around and see who's not talking.

https://f3dscans.com/newport-tower

Sorry dude, I don't speak "gibberish" or "nonsense".

Paul
3/15/2021 12:50:58 pm

Anthony C., yes, yes you are correct. You do not speak gibberish or nonsense. Your scribbling does not rise to that level.

GUESS WHAT
3/14/2021 08:26:26 am

Witness how blogs like this have done nothing to change the Believers and how the Believers ignore stuff like this.

Witness how Blogs like this are utilised by Churchgoers because Chariots of the Gods is leading people away from the Bible.

It could be surmised that the majority of people accessing this Blog and support Jason Colavito are not sceptics but churchgoers. And churchgoers are just as bad (if not worse) than Scott Wolter, Graham Hancock, Erich von Daniken, et al.

Let's not forget that the people who devised the American Constitution and led American Independence were mostly rationalists who rejected the Bible and the Church and introduced Freedom of Belief (eg, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, et al).

One of the biggest contributors to this Blog was raised by the Benedictines and is a staunch believer in the Fairy Tale biography of Jesus Christ found in The New Testament, almost unanimously rejected by all those who led American Independence.


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Doc rock
3/14/2021 09:59:33 am

Amen brother. I am observing the Sabbath with a double bloody mary and watching the series Norsemen on Netflix, and reading the word of Jesus, oops I mean Jason.

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Jim
3/14/2021 11:31:31 am

Hallelujah, this heathen atheist that follows Jason's blog may just join you. I hadn't heard of the series Norsemen, so thanks, I will give it a shot.

Doc Rock
3/14/2021 11:59:26 am

We can discuss norsemen at Wednesday's prayer breakfast before heading off to harass women trying to enter Planned Parenthood and wind the day down at Hooters.

Jim
3/14/2021 01:34:41 pm

Well, I don't know about Hooters. I find it kind of demeaning to men, referring to us as rubbernecking owls with big buggy eyes staring at women. You know us guys aren't really like that.

The Rooster
3/17/2021 03:41:46 pm

Yep, that sums it up.

Right there with you, only I'm doing açaí slushees (homemade).

❤️

Lyn McConchie
3/14/2021 05:39:53 pm

I can't speak for others, but as for me I am not a church-goer. I follow/believe, in no organised religion, but prefer the philosophy of balance. Don't take without giving, don't complain without praising, I find that works for me.

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MAJORITY WHO ACCESS THIS BLOG
3/14/2021 08:37:51 am

READ THIS AGAIN - THIS WAS WHY JASON COLAVITO DELETED "ANTI-CHRISTIAN" MESSAGES - BECAUSE HE WAS USING CHRISTIANS AGAINST BELIEVERS


Witness how blogs like this have done nothing to change the Believers and how the Believers ignore stuff like this.

Witness how Blogs like this are utilised by Churchgoers because Chariots of the Gods is leading people away from the Bible.

It could be surmised that the majority of people accessing this Blog and support Jason Colavito are not sceptics but churchgoers. And churchgoers are just as bad (if not worse) than Scott Wolter, Graham Hancock, Erich von Daniken, et al.

Let's not forget that the people who devised the American Constitution and led American Independence were mostly rationalists who rejected the Bible and the Church and introduced Freedom of Belief (eg, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, et al).

One of the biggest contributors to this Blog was raised by the Benedictines and is a staunch believer in the Fairy Tale biography of Jesus Christ found in The New Testament, almost unanimously rejected by all those who led American Independence.


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An Over-Educated Grunt
3/17/2021 10:42:32 am

Here's how we know you're full of shit, though:

You don't publish your findings, even self-publish. Instead you come to someone else's blog, ranting about completely unrelated topics to the matter at hand. You're less interested in having your ideas noticed than going NOTICE ME, SEMPAI! and then acting like we owe you attention when you don't even back up your own statements.

Case in point, WHO did you think was raised by Benedictines? WHAT drug do you think it is that everything is a metaphor for? You never actually say any of these things, because then you'd be making statements that could bee tested. More, if you're wrong about some of it, you'd be vulnerable to libel accusations.

But you'll never actually say any of those things, because you're full of shit and a coward to boot. Go on, prove me wrong, step up to the ledge and actually SAY something instead of whining about how no one takes you seriously. But who am I kidding? That'll happen when the Greeks measure time by the kalends.

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Anthony G.
3/17/2021 07:20:47 pm

"USING CHRISTIANS AGAINST BELIEVERS"

You really didn't think that through, did you? That's like using soap against soap. I am only aware of the "late night benediction at the Y'all comeback saloon".

I finally had to spell out benediction manually. Talking to my phone kept producing "band addiction"

"She played...
Tambourine...
With a silver jingle...
And she must have known the words...
To a million tunes...
But the one most requested...
By the man she knew as 'cowboy'...
Was a late night benediction at the Y'all Come Back Saloon..."

That one produced "being addiction". I'm glad I'm not a Benedictine. You'd have to spell it out for everybody.


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SCEPTICS
3/14/2021 08:40:48 am

Sceptical chatrooms and discussion lists do indeed exist online, but the people who partake in them are hand-picked by the owners. Sceptics never engage in open challenges like what is witnessed on this Blog. Professional academics would never attach their names to such activities.

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kent
3/14/2021 01:42:39 pm

So many wrongs.

Jason hand-picked me from the Benedictine puppy mill.

There was no James Randi $1 Million Challenge.

I remember well the day Thomas Jefferson rejected the Bible.

Not only was there no pre-Columbian exploration of America, no one has explored America in the post-Columbus period.

No one sees the connection between the The Atlantic magazine and Atlantis?

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Bob Jase
3/14/2021 11:04:30 am

Call me when they interview the Harmonica Virgins.

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Charles Verrastro link
3/14/2021 01:17:24 pm

The idea that your reputation as a 'debunker' has disgruntled (and intimidated) the Ancient Astronaut Theorists is well earned. They who always, as in the tagline by the show's announcer "Say Yes!" to everything as a block but, as you point out, frequently make diverse and conflicting claims for their pet theories when you lock them in a room together (Astrophysicist Dr. Travis Taylor always looks so distressed listening to unfounded and untenable flights of fancy regarding technical issues in those Round Table discussions as he at least has some actual scientific training despite his own strange lapses in credibility).
It reminds me of how Uri Geller ranted about being hounded by the skeptic the Amazing Randi. He either threatened to pull out of appearances where Randi had a chance to expose his tricks or claimed his very vicinity "neutralized" his magical powers by counteracting them with his 'bad vibes'. I loved it when Johnny Carson, a good amateur magician himself, had Randi secretly coach him on precautions when he had Geller appear. Apparently one of his main dodges was finding a susceptible female assistant working on the broadcast and charming her with his good looks and charisma into divulging information when he did his psychic and mentalist act. The spoon bending is laughable, a child can bend a spoon by wiggling and weakening it. It reminded me at the time of how when I was staying in a hotel that was hosting a major bodybuilding contest and at the bar I met some of the heavyweights who boasted about their best lifts and being able to bend iron bars. I had noted that an out of order payphone (when such things still existed) outside the entrance to the hotel still had a sad, sun faded phonebook hanging from the chain. I retrieved it and nonchalantly ripped it in half then doubled the pieces and tore those too. They were astounded and rushed about to find another at the front desk. Although each tried, the best they cold do is mangle the copy or rip the covers off. I often think of that with the off-repeated claim no manual power can move heavy stones. Leverage and technique (and trickery as by making paper brittle by drying it and rippling the edges of the leaves first to tear it by sections) counts for a lot.
While you point out there are many loose references without citations to legendary accounts of using sound to move objects it should be said there are many documented legends and myths that do claim that, such as Apollo using music to build cyclopean walls.
Mentioning the Genesis account of God willing the world into being with a word brought to mind a research project I am working on. It is constantly stated that the Celts puzzlingly had no original creation myth, almost alone of all ancient cultures. Even though they had a priesthood devoted to the study of such things. I found two ancient references in Irish manuscripts that categorically refute such dogma. One states the Druids claimed they sang the universe into existence. This puts them squarely in camp with ancient Hindu and Buddhist beliefs of the universe being created through sound, as well as pre-existent human sages having a hand in it as well. The second reference amusingly has the Druid's pretensions called out by a canny King who demands if they indeed created the Sun and Moon to make them disappear by the same magic. Of course, they fail, although this is an obviously later monastic gloss to taunt paganism, and contradicts stories in saint's lives and elsewhere of them doing exactly those magical acts, even though they are outdone by the saint's power. Anyone remember Tolkien's Silmarillion where pre-existent magicians sing creation into existence? He was a better Celtic scholar than most.

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Randi wasn't great
3/14/2021 01:48:24 pm

Randi left out Puthoff in his debunking books because guess what, Randi was careless enough to allow Puthoff to put holes into his debunkings of Geller. What a hoot. Randi had weaknesses in his arguments that were highlighted by Puthoff. What a nerd.

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Rabbit in the hat
3/14/2021 03:34:15 pm

Puthoff couldn't even defend himself against randi and other critics let alone poke holes in those who exposed Geller.

Kent
3/14/2021 03:47:29 pm

Holes in Randi's debunking of Geller? Never happened. Watch Geller squirm on The Tonight Show when Johnny Carson, himself an amateur magician, consulted with Randi beforehand.

The better argument is the story of Randi being scammed by his boyfriend.

Puthoff is omitted from Randi's book about Geller
3/14/2021 05:58:53 pm

Because Puthoff gave Randi a good spanking
It's online
The CIA Paper where Puhoff scuppers Randi
Don't take my word for it

The Good Shepherd
3/16/2021 03:38:41 pm

Don't take his word for it, take the word of the CIA.

What a choice.

Take Puthoff's word for it
3/17/2021 03:56:17 pm

It's Puthoff's Paper that discredits Randi's Rebuttal of Puthoff
That's found on the CIA website
Nothing to do directly with the CIA as inferred by you

Colonel Flagg
3/17/2021 10:20:56 pm

A paper by Puthoff available compliments of the CIA. Now we are really operating at a high confidence level.

Kent
3/14/2021 03:57:32 pm

"Anyone remember Tolkien's Silmarillion where pre-existent magicians sing creation into existence?"

No. No one does. You can't remember something that never happened. That's not what Tolkien wrote.

And would it kill you to use the occasional

goshdarn

motherloving

melonfarming

socksewing

carriage return once in a while to make your post hecking READABLE? There might be interesting stuff in there but I'll never know.

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Charles Verrastro link
3/14/2021 06:57:57 pm

I had previously decided not to reply to the rantings of the junior members of this group as they do not advance the discussion in the slightest. But I will make one last attempt.
I doubt Kent is even literate enough to know Tolkien outside the movies. Or perhaps he is simply deaf to the Music of the Ainur. It's in the legendarium portion of the Silmarillion.
I do apologize for the editing (or lack thereof) as I often use my small kindle Paperwhite at the beach. Not an ideal writing platform, especially when the spellcheck and autofill features decide to go their own separate ways.

Kent
3/14/2021 11:14:04 pm

Charles:

You are a known idiot.

Not "magicians".

An Over-Educated Grunt
3/15/2021 10:43:02 pm

Given that the Maiar were part of the chorus, and that several of the Maiar became known as the Wizards later, it's an acceptable simplification. It's wrong, but not so wrong it's worth arguing about given every other target on the field.

Like Captain Bibledrugs up there who thinks we were all raised by monks.

The Rooster.
3/17/2021 10:11:38 pm

Yeah, I do, along with you.

Thanks "Nerd of The Rings" (YT).

Good post, Brother.

Do you still browse the occasional brick-and-mortar Stationary Store, that's left, as I do? I thought so.

❤️

Nick Danger
3/15/2021 09:50:31 am

tl;dr

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T. Franke link
3/15/2021 05:22:48 am

Happy holidays, and you will get another chance with the Atlantic, I am quite confident. Sometimes, such a step back is the basis for two steps forward.

The title "Harmonic Code" reminded me of a book about why modern physics does not make progress for 40 years now: Because phycicists kind of "believe" in the beauty of the universe. But maybe it is not beautiful? It has to do with misconceptions as presented in this show, and yes, the author of the book uses the word "pseudo-science" for certain aspects of modern physics.

Sabine Hossenfelder, "Lost in Math":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7jwevZbb4



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Frank
3/16/2021 12:36:15 pm

My dear Thorwald, you were bound to turn up, because Atlantis was mentioned somewhere in these comment posts. But then, so was I. No one understands God, nor how Plato's Atlantis fits in with the Most Beautiful, Universal Divine Plan. You need to stick to your own misconceptions. The universe is not beautiful, you say?

Franke, you are not been "fair," as the universe is the fairest of them all. The fairest (the most beautiful) is obviously referring to The Original Universe, the one outside the 5 physical senses...the only real one, the realm of the soul, it is intended. The physical universe is only a copy. But to limited and enslaved minds like yours, as well as the minds of others here, the world of generation, the physical universe, is the real one. Really? No! This physical universe is only a theatrical stage.

TIMAEUS: Let me tell you then why the creator made this world of generation. He was good, and the good can never have any jealousy of anything. And being free from jealousy, he desired that all things should be as like himself as they could be. This is in the truest sense the origin of creation and of the world, as we shall do well in believing on the testimony of wise men: God desired that all things should be good and nothing bad, so far as this was attainable. Wherefore also finding the whole visible sphere not at rest, but moving in an irregular and disorderly fashion, out of disorder he brought order, considering that this was in every way better than the other. Now the deeds of the best could never be or have been other than the fairest; and the creator, reflecting on the things which are by nature visible, found that no unintelligent creature taken as a whole was fairer than the intelligent taken as a whole; and that intelligence could not be present in anything which was devoid of soul. For which reason, when he was framing the universe, he put intelligence in soul, and soul in body, that he might be the creator of a work which was by nature fairest and best. Wherefore, using the language of probability, we may say that the world became a living creature truly endowed with soul and intelligence by the providence of God.

This being supposed, let us proceed to the next stage: In the likeness of what animal did the Creator make the world? It would be an unworthy thing to liken it to any nature which exists as a part only; for nothing can be beautiful which is like any imperfect thing; but let us suppose the world to be the very image of that whole of which all other animals both individually and in their tribes are portions. For the original of the universe contains in itself all intelligible beings, just as this world comprehends us and all other visible creatures. For the Deity, intending to make this world like the fairest and most perfect of intelligible beings, framed one visible animal comprehending within itself all other animals of a kindred nature. Are we right in saying that there is one world, or that they are many and infinite? There must be one only, if the created copy is to accord with the original.

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T. Franke link
3/18/2021 06:11:16 pm

Frank, thank you for helping me in demonstrating that the misconceptions about which Jason Colavito is talking are deeply rooted. They can be found in science itself.

Whether the universe is beautiful or not, this is an assumption which shall not be imposed to science and research.

Kent
3/24/2021 06:03:44 pm

"modern physics does not make progress for 40 years now"

Higgs boson, gravity waves, any number of things covered at Newscientist.com for the non-specialist, etc. Stick with your area of ignorance, Atlantis.

Quantum mechanics is a century old. Your view of physics is that of a Club Kid.

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Charles Verrastro link
3/17/2021 09:12:31 pm

A minor quibble about terminology, but not incorrect. The Maiar came later.
The Valar did participate at a later stage of the process, but they were just evolutions of the Ainur. The original story became much more involved until it was presented in the final published version. Tolkien envisioned the iterations of wizardly beings (he first identified them as angelic Magi in his notes and conversations with the Inklings.
The discordant but ultimately necessary evil principle, which according to his son Christopher were meant to parallel the Zoroastrian concepts of duality. I corresponded with Chris years before he forged a comprehensible version of the many drafts and notes his father left. I was a Tolkien fan before everybody started wearing 'Frodo lives' t-shirts. Christopher always insisted the Christian elements were undervalued by critics, as well as his own imaginative power in syncretizing his knowledge of old myths.
I appreciate at least some, however, can discuss topics without schoolboy invective. But on the whole I will stick to my decision to stay out of the constant ad hominem frays.

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Kent
3/17/2021 10:17:02 pm

"I was a Tolkien fan before everybody started wearing 'Frodo lives' t-shirts."

Oh.

You're so cool.

I'm guessing you only read Tolkien ironically these days?

I tried visiting your website, na, but it doesn't work.

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Harbingerman link
3/18/2021 06:35:00 pm

Interesting ...

I am in fact have been a follower since the 70's in fact ... I study Chaos Theory Music and those musical plates eventually working on esoteric technology possibly guided by alien intelligences ... ya ... you probly think nutcase here ... I am an expert in Electronics from audio to microwave ... tried to put in for Wright Patterson you guess why ... was pretty much brainwashed into religion but have respect for it a there are underlying proofs of Astral Travel from within that the Church will refuse to acknowledge because in the end there is no god ... we either were visited or deposited or are a lost colony who knows ... Love and Music and Math are all Universal ... it is possible we have come from the great asteroid impact but yet still visited or are a lost colony from space. I am glad I am who I am at my age and not led to worship something bigger than me ... that is dictatorship and there are probly bad aliens out there ... I dont know why I am who I am but I know this ... I am that I am and I will stop at nothing to communicate except for Love and because of this we may never know the answer until we become extinct but it is nice to be able to try ...

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Kent
3/23/2021 09:22:30 pm

"I study Chaos Theory Music and those musical plates eventually working on esoteric technology possibly guided by alien intelligences ... ya ... you probly think nutcase here ... I am an expert in Electronics from audio to microwave ... tried to put in for Wright Patterson you guess why ... was pretty much brainwashed into religion but have respect for it a there are underlying proofs of Astral Travel from within that the Church will refuse to acknowledge"

If you talk like a mental patient you will be treated like a mental patient. Have I not told you this before?

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The Rooster
3/26/2021 11:40:19 pm

This is killing me from laughter.

KENT, goddamnit! Don't give an old man a heart attack.

F-ing Hi-Larious!

😅😅❤️

Bezalel
3/23/2021 09:35:30 am


"It’s silly to imagine that a biological being from another planet has divine power, and equally silly to try to imagine that we need to rewrite spirituality as physical and material in order to give it the gloss of science and justify faith in the face of doubt."


I think George Tsoukalos would agree with that statement.

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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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          • Man During the Stone Age
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          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
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        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
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        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
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        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
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        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
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        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
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        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
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        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
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        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
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        • Noah's Ark Cables
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        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
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      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
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        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
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      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
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      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
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      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
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      • H. P. Lovecraft >
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        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
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      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
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      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
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      • James Dean's Scrapbook
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      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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