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Review of Code of the Wild S01E03 "Lost Race of Giants"

8/15/2019

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This episode airs August 20.
​On Tuesday, the Travel Channel aired the second episode of its series Code of the Wild, in which ex-hunting show hosts Casey and Chris Keefer investigate “mysteries” of history and the supernatural by running around outside and finding no proof. Tuesday’s episode ticked up a notch, scoring 437,000 viewers, but it still lost nearly 100,000 viewers from the Expedition Unknown rerun that preceded it. I did not review the second episode, which focused on a plane crash in Alaska, because it has little to do with my areas of interest, but next week’s episode is much more relevant. In “Lost Race of Giants” the interchangeable Keefer brothers travel to Ecuador to hunt what they hope is a lost colony of giants, though the legend of giants in South America comes to us from a biblically influenced Peruvian story of cannibal giants who had homosexual beach orgies, a story recorded in early colonial Spanish accounts. Most of the claims for giants in the Americas were influenced by European myths and beliefs. 
​The “Lost Race of Giants” episode is already available for streaming on the Travel Channel’s website, part of their continuing effort to destroy their own ratings, so I took a look at what two ignorant doofuses came up with as they searched for giants in South America.
 
The show opens with “history buff” Casey Keefer (who has no history training) and drone enthusiast Chris Keefer (whose technology hobby is irrelevant to our subject) visiting Ecuador, where Casey alleges that the country is said to be home to a “colony” of giant “humanoids”—they aren’t fully human in this telling—though he omits that these rumors exist primarily in hoax newspaper articles, other pseudo-documentaries from the Discovery Communications family of networks, and online fringe websites. After stating that there have been stories of giants for “hundreds, even thousands of years” (apparently because they do not know that Greek myths and the Bible date back thousands of years), they allege that a giant skeleton was discovered in the Julcuy River valley in December of last year. To investigate giants, the brothers… well, you can already guess.
 
The Keefer brothers enlist the former host of the History Channel’s failed series Search for the Lost Giants, Jim Vieira, to tell them lies about giants. The brothers call Vieira the “world’s foremost expert on giants” and say that the title is “impressive.” Let’s stipulate that Vieira’s expertise is specifically in nineteenth century newspaper hoaxes and mistaken local history accounts reporting the alleged discovery of giants, since he has never seen nor examined the remains of a giant, nor has he ever found a real giant. He has mistaken Victorian sensationalism for facts and took stories meant as goofy humor and tall tales of wonder for reality. Vieira claims that his method of research involves “comparative analysis” of myths, legends, and newspaper hoaxes. This is not really an appropriate way to hunt for giants, any more than we could find talking animals by comparing “ubiquitous” myths that animals can talk. Since I have found and translated texts about giants that even Vieira hasn’t read, and have identified his many errors, I guess that makes me as much the “world’s foremost expert” as he is.
 
Vieira claims that legends have to have a physical reality, which is false, and the brothers claim that the recently discovered Asian hominin species known as the Denisovans are the real giants. Vieria says that the large tooth size of the Denisovans (as big as those of a cave bear) means that they must have been giants, (though it really only implies that they had robust jaws. He falsely claims that our only evidence of the Denisovans is two teeth. There are actually a handful of other bones, including a jawbone whose discovery was announced in Nature this spring (full text here). The jawbone did not belong to a giant, and the scientists who reported on it said that it was similar in size to those of other Pleistocene Homo species. The normal-sized jaw had only 14 teeth, against the 16 found in an anatomically modern humans (32 total), accounting in part for the larger size of the teeth. Vieira claims that all giants are of “one race” and the show implies that this “race” is Denisovan.
 
The Keefer brothers then travel to see the bones of the “giant” found in the town of Julcuy in the interior of Ecuador. According to Casey Keefer, the skeleton has not been fully excavated or reported in the scientific literature, which its excavators later confirm. They meet with Theofilos Toulkeridis, a geologist, and Florencio Delgado, an archaeologist, both of the Universidad San Francisco de Quito, who tell the Keefers that they found skeletons “taller than us today. They are our first giants.” However, later in the show Toulkeridis says that only one skeleton was large in size, contradicting this statement.
 
Delgado tells them that a local man uncovered the skeleton below a Valdivian layer from 5,000 BP (i.e., before present—c. 3,000 BCE), but the Keefers and the producers don’t understand him, misreport his clearly spoken date as 5,000 BC, and then state that a “civilization of giants” existed two thousand years prior. The skeletons were found in a layer dated to around 5,000 BCE, but the show places it wrongly at 7,000 BCE. The producers simply can’t understand Delgado’s Ecuadoran accent, and their subtitles misstate his words. That shows exactly how much effort anyone put into this production.
 
Toulkeridis estimates the height of the skeleton at seven feet, but the body has not been fully measured or studied. An on-screen graphic says that the femur measured 24 inches and the tibia 21, but no full measurements are given. Toulkeridis says no other giant bodies have been found in the area, so the Keefers falsely conclude that the body belongs to an immigrant from “somewhere else” rather than a person suffering from a hormonal condition or other medical issue that might have led to gigantism.
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The Julcuy skeleton, as seen on "Code of the Wild."
​I will give Code of the Wild credit for this: This is the first time any show has actually had a large skeleton to show, and that is at least better than any other in its field. However, the “giant” still falls within the reported range of regular humans (being smaller than many modern basketball players), so this does not constitute evidence of a lost race of giants in the mythical sense. The South American giants of myth were said to be so big that a normal human stood only as high as the giants’ knees (Pedro Cieza de Leon, First Part of the Chronicle of Peru 52). The failure to define “giants” means that men like Vieira can claim virtually anyone among the 50 percent of humans who are, by definition, above average might be “giants.”
 
The brothers managed to damage their own argument by gradually expanding the size of the Julcuy skeleton over the hour, until it becomes “almost eight feet” when it had been estimated at “around” seven feet. As the hour progresses, they also assert that the body belongs to a separate “species,” though Delgado told them no such thing.
 
The brothers next talk to a local about oral traditions of giants in the Llanganantes National Park rainforest of Ecuador. Vieira claims that the rainforest contains a megalithic wall made by a “pre-Flood race of giants” which was “melted” with high-tech tools. (Why melted? To cover the fact that the rocks aren’t separate but are connected to each other.) You will remember this Ecuadoran wall because the Science Channel did a pseudo-documentary in which Bruce Fenton claimed that the geological formation was not natural. The brothers don’t seem to understand Vieira’s biblical worldview, or else ignore the allegations that Noah’s Flood was a real geological event.
 
Two long segments follow the brothers as they trek through the park to the wall. They contain no information but eat up about a third of the show.
 
When they arrive at the alleged wall, even on camera from a distance, the naturalness of the stones seems apparent. A landslide sheered off part of a hill, and the underlying stone contains cracks and fissures and layering that resemble irregular cyclopean stonework, but only in a superficial way. Chris Keefer doesn’t believe that the fissures could be natural because they have too many straight lines and “hard” angles. He has apparently never seen naturally occurring geometric patterns like the Giant’s Causeway or even the Rock Wall of Rockwall, Texas.
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The alleged Giant structure, as seen on "Code of the Wild"
​Since the two men have difficulty understanding the difference between cyclopean construction and natural cleavage, they claim that rocks that have, as obviously as a camera can capture, split apart are actually placed next to one another by giant hands so cunningly that they fit together perfectly. Maybe it is just because I grew up in areas where eroded walls of rocks are rather common, both from glacial action and from the blasting done to cut highways through hills, I am not convinced that the latticework grooves could only be the result of artificial construction. The Keefers ignore Vieira’s claim that the rocks are melted and instead imagine them to be stacked stones in the manner of Sacsayhuaman, the famed Peruvian fortress.
 
The two brothers neglected to bring a geologist with them, though they had one with them in Julcuy and they somehow managed to get a camera crew out there, so they climb the rockface and simply speculate about how hard it would be to build the wall. They wonder if it is part of a hidden pyramid, or if it conceals “something important.” They make no effort to walk around and find out.
 
After returning to the ground, they look around for more alleged buildings and claim that small cracks and grooves on another rockface are actually brick-like stacked stones. Tweedledee and Tweedledum then claim that the small cracks mean that the “structure” was built hundreds of years before the large pyramid, before the giants developed the “technology” to build a pyramid of massive size. The towering castles of speculation are crowned with the ignorance brought by two cable hosts who have absolutely no comprehension of the topics they are discussing. They make people like Scott Wolter and Giorgio Tsoukalos look knowledgeable by comparison.
 
The show does not bother to ask for an expert opinion on the supposed wall—because they know what the experts would say—and instead end the show by asking a long series of leading questions designed to suggest that there is a “race” of giants who formerly occupied the country. They then threaten to do a follow-up episode if someone finds real evidence of giants in Ecuador. They could, of course, have spent time and money to find some, but that would undercut the ethos of cable TV, which is to parachute in, shoot everything in a couple of days, and get the hell out before the hotel bill gets too high. And heaven forfend that any of that sweet, sweet ad revenue go toward doing actual science, which might risk undercutting the whole venture.
 
48 Comments
Kent
8/15/2019 09:00:17 am

Jason,
I'll let you slide on "average" but 28 teeth?

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Jason Colavito link
8/15/2019 09:02:49 am

Yeah, it should be 32. I'll fix it. Sometimes I type faster than I think.

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Kent
8/15/2019 09:26:42 am

Everyone types faster than I think.

Rainbow unicorn
8/15/2019 12:29:05 pm

^ Is this the same person who recently claimed that he employs editors to proofread his own writing because such a task is too “small” for him and yet he comes here regularly to proofread Jason’s blog entries for free?

Kent
8/15/2019 12:44:16 pm

Don't believe everything you read and nothing that I write.

Kent
8/15/2019 01:01:18 pm

Also, fact-checking is a separate deal from proof-reading. Did I mention that Jason didn't close the last quote ('') in 8/13's entry or that "..." is not generally used for blockquotes? No I did not.

Rainbow unicorn
8/15/2019 02:49:16 pm

I didn’t catch that one, nice find! In any event, there’s no need to explain yourself, I just figured that it’s pretty nifty that Jason has a free proofreading/fact-checking service while you have to pay someone to do it.

E.P. Grondine
8/15/2019 11:10:55 am

There are also Spanish colonial records of giants in the mountains of Mexico. It seems likely to me that the giants of the western mountains were a different population group than the giants of eastern North America.

While fairly conversant on the Andaste and their remains, I have never looked at the western population groups and excavations in any depth, nor do I intend to do so. I simply note the excavation report here, and the sensationalism derived from it.

I think that the idea that all Native Americans were short goes back to Al Capp's Kickapoo Joe. I completely expect more insanity on this,as senstionalized ignorance sells.

I also expect that as excavation continues, more larger skeletons will be found in Andaste lands, particularly in Pennsylvania, which will prompt a review of the literature, and then people will realize that there were tall Native Americans.

Any decade now...

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Kent
8/15/2019 11:19:55 am

Similarly, the Elves were a different population group than the Goblins in Middle Earth.

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Jim
8/15/2019 12:17:45 pm

E. P.
"There are also Spanish colonial records of giants in the mountains of Mexico."

Were these first hand "eyewitness" accounts, or were they the accounts of Spanish priests who translated from native accounts when they were not really very conversant in the native tongue ?

I know for sure and for certain that there were giants in northern Mexico from talking to a local who told me of a giant named Rio.
The fellow told me this giant was very, very large or "grande" as he put it.

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E.P. Grondine
8/15/2019 07:53:33 pm

I am at the point where I do not care about your ignorance of colonial and mixtec documents, and I can not think of any reason to give you the time of day, for that matter. Based on my experience with the Andaste materials, there is simply no percentage in it. Get back to me about 10 years from now.

Kent
8/24/2019 12:57:03 pm

And in an unsurprising twist quite analogous to your imaginary giant Indians, Al Kapp had no character called "Kickapoo Joe".

Most likely the concept of Indians as short came from *actually seeing Indians* and as far back as the 1800s *actually measuring them*. And of course a desire to feel superior.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010529071125.htm

http://economics.emory.edu/home/documents/workingpapers/carlson_10_06_paper.pdf

Machala
8/15/2019 11:27:41 am

Giants are in the eye of the beholder. Compared to many people here in Ecuador, - especially those who have Laron Syndrom and average between 3 and 4 feet tall, I would be, at a little over 6' tall, considered somewhat of a giant.

" The producers simply can’t understand Delgado’s Ecuadoran accent, and their subtitles misstate his words..."

I am convinced that the early Spanish invader's tales of native myths of races of giants are a combination of misundersatnding and/or mistranslating the natives' stories. Just as the lazy producers of this psuedo-exploration couldn't understand or didn't take the trouble to try to understand what Dr. Delgado and made a hash of "translation", so too did Cieza de Leon, in his Chronicles, misunderstand and misinterpret his sources.
In both cases, they never let the truth get in the way of telling a good story.
At the time of the Spanish conquest, there were over 30 different distinct languages in the Incan Empire. The main language, Quechua (or Runasimi) is still spoken today in an evolved form - think of how English speack has evolved in the last 500 or so years. There is NO precise translation of los gigantes into Quechua - Hatun ( or jatun ) comes closest but is a relatively modern connotation.

Just as there are little people, still living in remote villages with Laron. I would not be surprised that at some time in the long history of the people of the Andes, if there were not few individuals who stood a meter above the crowd, giants to their neighbors but simple tall by modern standards.

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Kent
8/15/2019 12:54:49 pm

If there were "populations of giants" at or before the time of the Spanish conquest, it's clear that giantism was an evolutionary disadvantage. This explains why we have no "populations of giants" in North America today. Yes, I know Mexico's in North America too although some say it's the 9th continent.

Notice I say "IF". And it's a GIANT "IF".

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Doc Rock
8/15/2019 11:48:18 am

It is astonishing how people continue to recycle topics that were old hat 40 years ago when they were turning up in cheap paperback "Mysteries of the Ancient world" type publications.

If these two fellows are former hunting show hosts then maybe they could pick up some ratings by re-packaging the show as combined pseudoarchaeology and hunting complete with celebrity guests. In this weeks episode we survey ancient stone Olmec Negro heads in southern Mexico and then go bow hunting for javalinas with Ted Nugent. Too bad Bourdain elected to check out or they could throw in local fine dining as well.

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Jim
8/15/2019 01:09:22 pm

"The team believes the summit was used for some form of human activities, possibly sacrifices. Some have suggested that it could have been the venue for human sacrifices, with the incline deliberately engineered to allow a head to roll down the side."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/ecuador/10517904/Explorers-hot-on-the-trail-of-Atahualpa-and-the-Treasure-of-the-Llanganates.html

This is from 2013, this site has it all, giants, a vast treasure, the hidden tomb of Atahualpa, the last Incan emperor, human sacrifice, killer bees, large temples of the Panzaleo culture or the Canari people and a city the size of Machu Picchu built by gold miners.
No aliens so far, but someone should give Giorgio a call, also if you cock your head and squint there are hooked X's and various Templar crosses.

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Kal
8/15/2019 12:49:57 pm

Fake giant stories are not my area of interest, but it is interesting to note there is barely anything online about the Julcuy site skeleton show of this article and the one from the History Channel.

It did not take long to come up with two misreported opinions done as facts on the program.

The 'giant is about 7 feet all, not 7 or 8 feet, but given the two photos of it, and the placement of it from meters to feet, I would guess it was closer to 6 foot 5 in life, before it got a bit broken when buried. .

Do not like the idea of these treasure hunters exhuming bodies for their silly reality show.

Anyway, the other error is in dating, as the man said, as Jason said, 7,000 BCE, before the common era, placing said skeleton at 5,019 years old, give or take a generation.

But since he is not a scientist and didn't actually date the rock, even that number is a guess.

Did he date it from the bone or from the soil and plants around the site?

That wall is not a pyramid. It is just a natural formation and isn't even pyramid shaped. It would be a mud wall, but it wouldn't support people, such as for a tomb.

Funny how the picture of the skeleton in searches also brings of Halloween props of it available online.

I'm going to guess, since they did, that it is actually from a colonial burial site, a chief or some other, from about the 1500s years ago, judging by where the skeleton was, its remoteness, and it's general location where others could easily trek to it for a show.

It is not thousands of years old.

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Doc Rock
8/15/2019 01:10:05 pm

Any discovery of unusually tall skeletons tends to get spun into "giants" by the fringe crowd. Not long ago I saw someone touting the discovery of a burial ground full of giants in China. Turns out that the giants were actually a number of people who were about 6'2".

Even modern forensics only generate height estimates for older remains especially when they are partial remains or badly deteriorated. So, when someone says that a given person was around 7 feet tall I tend to think Magic Johnson rather than Manute Bol.

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Kent
8/15/2019 01:05:46 pm

Not having watched the show I don't know, but I suspect that they never showed a ruler or yardstick next to the "Juicy" skeleton.

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Jim
8/15/2019 01:36:36 pm

They went with a graphic instead, showing a "normal" skeleton measured at 1.73 meters (as I recall) side by side with a 3.0 meter (10 feet) skeleton.
Just a wee bit misleading.

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Jim
8/15/2019 02:24:39 pm

I went back and re-watched them viewing the skeleton.
The head is completely crushed, just a pile of shards.
Same with the ribs etc.
There are no complete unbroken bones at all.
the tibias are both snapped off , didn't see the bottom parts or the feet at all. Gonzo
The burial was discovered when a flood caused major soil erosion going down a steepish hill.
I'm no expert but one would have to think the whole skeleton was shifted and crushed from the flooding.
The dates given were from soil samples which seemed to be taken from a different location than the bones.

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El Chupacabra
8/25/2019 01:32:29 pm

For years I have watched these shows searching for giants. This was the first to show a large set a remains that seem to have some validity. Did anybody else realize the first emage shown was an excavation of a skeleton with an entact skull, then showed the entire skeleton with a totally smashed skull. Shortly after they identify that there has been only one set of remains found!
Disapointing, I have to call BS.

Kent
8/25/2019 04:07:02 pm

"For years I have watched these shows searching for giants."

Why?

Marty the Marion
8/15/2019 02:17:25 pm

There are Giants in San Francisco. They moved there from New York in 1958. They moved a few years ago from Candlestick park where they resided. They now have Giants like Buster the Posey, Madison the Bumgarden and Brandon the Crawford. Flee, flee you other member of the National league, they are coming.

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Doc Rock
8/15/2019 02:29:00 pm

Maybe the SF Giants were the source of legends about homosexual orgies on the beach?

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Jim
8/15/2019 02:58:52 pm

At least we know why the Giants disappeared.

Jr. Time Lord
8/15/2019 04:37:16 pm

What about the New Jarvik football Giants? Judging by Lawrence Taylor only, I'd say they're into cocaine and young girls.

Rainbow unicorn
8/15/2019 02:58:01 pm

Also, for their first two seasons in SF, they played in Seals Stadium in the Mission District.

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TONY S.
8/15/2019 05:16:14 pm

Here I was all worried that no new fringe shows would emerge to keep beating the same dead old horses.

Yay!

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Colonel Kernel
8/23/2019 06:11:47 pm

Great read, and quite humorous Jason. A couple of observations on your attempt to discredit the hosts, however they did discredit themselves with several mistakes not being edited out.

1. Those lengths of the femur and tibia point to a human about 6'10" to 7'6". Which puts someone like that in the realm of giant IMO, considering everyone else running around was about 60% of that. Glean what you want.

2. That wall they found looks nothing like the Rockwall in Texas that I've seen in person and isn't tesselated pavement that i"ve also seen in person in Tasmania or the Giant' Causeway (that I have not seen in person, but have seen in pictures) That wall they found looks eerily similar to the walls of the Sacsayhuaman fortress in Peru.

Yes, it is easy to laugh at these two clowns, but unlike them, you should tell the whole story when you're bashing them

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Jim
8/25/2019 02:35:30 pm

"1. Those lengths of the femur and tibia point to a human about 6'10" to 7'6". Which puts someone like that in the realm of giant IMO, considering everyone else running around was about 60% of that. Glean what you want."

Perhaps if they explained how they arrived at those lengths you might have a case.
Did they even have in their possession the bottom parts of the tibiae that were broken off and appeared to be missing ?
From what I have read many mis-estimates of height in these cases have come from measurements not allowing for the relaxing and spreading out of the bones after the other body tissues have dispersed leaving only a loose unconnected group of bones.
It's also obvious the bones were shifted by the flooding and water erosion which exposed them to view.

Like many shows of this type, I expect select truths to have been left on the cutting room floor.

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Jim
8/25/2019 02:36:22 pm

"1. Those lengths of the femur and tibia point to a human about 6'10" to 7'6". Which puts someone like that in the realm of giant IMO, considering everyone else running around was about 60% of that. Glean what you want."

Perhaps if they explained how they arrived at those lengths you might have a case.
Did they even have in their possession the bottom parts of the tibiae that were broken off and appeared to be missing ?
From what I have read many mis-estimates of height in these cases have come from measurements not allowing for the relaxing and spreading out of the bones after the other body tissues have dispersed leaving only a loose unconnected group of bones.
It's also obvious the bones were shifted by the flooding and water erosion which exposed them to view.

Like many shows of this type, I expect select truths to have been left on the cutting room floor.

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Chris L Lesley link
8/25/2019 04:03:18 pm

I am going to focus on one aspect of this really poor review and then you can deem the rest is just as bad. You need to do your research its better than being a propaganda mill for bias:


A seven foot three inch skeleton “of healthy height” does not fall in the range of modern humans.

Skeletons shrink up to 3 inches over time. Which means that this 7’3” skeleton came from a 7’6” individual when they were alive. This would make him 99.9% taller than all basketball players.

There isn’t but TWO basketball players in the entire history of the league that would be taller than 7’6” that would be Gheorghe Mureșan and Manute Bol. Muresan would be 1 inch taller while Bol was only ¾ of an inch taller. (Sign him up!)

Although the length of the skeleton does not determine the size of that person in life, a person 7 foot 3 inches is still the tallest of nba players: Adding 3/8 of an inch to a 7 foot skeleton, for skin, fat, muscle, ligaments etc. would have made this skeleton 7 foot 3/8 inches, taller than any nba basketball player in the league in at least the past 3 years.

2019 Boban Marjanović (7 ft 3″), Kristaps Porziņģis (7 ft 3″ ) not one person taller in 2019!
2018 Boban Marjanović (7 ft 3″), Kristaps Porziņģis (7 ft 3″ ) not one person taller in 2018!
2017 Timofey Mozgov – (7'1" ) what!!!!! Not one person.
(& TWO INCHES SHORT)

There is not one person in the nba, ( in life) that is one millimeter taller than this skeleton is in death.

The skeleton fleshed out is taller than every person in the nba in the past 3 years.
BOOOYYYAAH!!!!

So… digging through graveyards you would need to dig up 1,300,000 graves to find one modern individual that was taller than 7 feet.

In order to find a person 7 foot 3 inches the chance you would have to dig 32, 500,000 graves to randomly find a person 7 foot 3” in modern times.

Minute Bol is likely the tallest natural height for a modern human being who is 7’6” 3/4 in height. If his skeleton was dug up thousands of years later his (skeleton when properly measured) would be 7 foot 3 ¾.
Manute Bol’s femur is roughly 24.9 inches in length. I have referred to Manute Bol as the tallest example for modern humans for good reason. That reason is: his family shares his height, pituitary tumors are not hereditary. Everyone else of great height seems to have a height disorder with small siblings and short parents, and they unluckily just hit the lottery for a tumor.

If there is anyone taller than Manute Bol that doesn’t have a tumor, I would like to know about it.

(You should make corrections)

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Chris L Lesley link
8/25/2019 04:17:00 pm

One more thing. My femur regression formula is superior to academia's use "your formula" aka academia's, with Robert Wadlow's femur which was 29.5 " you should do this before you comment confidently about the height of a 24" femur.

Correction:
"Although the length of the skeleton does not determine the size of that person in life, a person 7 foot 3 inches is still the tallest of nba players: Adding 3/8 of an inch to a 7 foot 3 inch skeleton, for skin, fat, muscle, ligaments etc. would have made this skeleton 7 foot 3 3/8 inches."

Still taller than any nba basketball player in the league in at least the past 3 years. 2017,2018,2019

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Jim
8/25/2019 05:27:40 pm

"One more thing. My femur regression formula is superior to academia's use "your formula"

Who are you ?
What are your academic credentials ?
What do you do for a living ?
What makes you the undisputed expert ?
Bearing in mind you said this:
"This would make him 99.9% taller than all basketball players."

How do you measure the length of a femur that is missing the top part of the femur ?
There are no ball joints, there is no pelvis, there is no skull, the skeleton is mostly comprised of bone shards. There are no bottom parts of the tibia.

See the photo Jason included.

Kent
8/25/2019 08:44:44 pm

As I understand the term, in this context, "regression" has to do with statistics. What's your sample size and where is your data?

And as much as it pains me to credit Jim with, well... anything :) I thank him for pointing out your use of a rather curious phrase:

"99.9% taller than all basketball players"

Since you're the math guy here, what does that mean?

Kent
8/25/2019 04:29:00 pm

When did you measure these bones? No doubt you can provide photographic evidence?

They didn't measure the bones on the show, just made assertions.

You should make corrections.

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OMFG on a Jesus Fish bicycle
8/25/2019 08:51:53 pm

http://greaterancestors.com/

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Jim
8/25/2019 09:38:33 pm

Well, I guess that answers the questions of who he is and what are his credentials. Lol ,,,Nephilim,,,,,,,send money,,,,,,,

Holy Moley:
Jim Vieira, Chris L Lesley and LA Marzulli all together ?

https://www.facebook.com/pg/greaterancestors/posts/?ref=page_internal

Check out his post on this very skeleton:

https://www.facebook.com/greaterancestors/photos/a.155123127845912/2695957680429098/?type=3&__tn__=-R

Kent
8/25/2019 09:00:51 pm

When did you measure Manute Bol's femur and what precision do you claim for "roughly 24.9 inches in length"? When you express a measurement in tenths of an inch that suggests that you have a hundredths of an inch figure that you threw away because you don't want someone asking where the thousandths of an inch figure is.

A smart person would have said "roughly 25 inches". A smart person would also have used the term "estimated". Tell us again, when did you measure Manute Bol's femur?

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Chris L Lesley link
8/26/2019 11:27:30 am

Jason Colavito: please explain: "still falls within the reported range of regular humans (being smaller than many modern basketball players),"

The skeleton is 7 foot 3 inches, the femur is all you need to calculate the skeletal height.

Maybe you could name some "regular people" that are 7' 3" that you know personally.

(being smaller than many modern basketball players)," if 2017,2018, 2019 is what you are referring to, you are dead wrong.

In fact, the NBA basketball players are shorter than they were 4 and 5 years ago. With a skeleton 7 foot 3 inch, and fleshed out at 7 foot 3 3/8 inches that makes him taller than all modern basketball players 2017-2019.

With Wadlow's 29.5" femur, I get 8.973 feet. (8 feet 11 11/16 inches. Tell me what your calculation gets, please post, i could use a good laugh. I have "the best" regression formula as it pertains to large skeletons. "the best."

Jim
8/26/2019 12:04:00 pm

"I have "the best" regression formula as it pertains to large skeletons. "the best."

Because, as a comic book artist you are the most Qualified ?

http://www.cornerstonecreativestudios.com/cornershop/comics/

http://normanstudios.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Resume-Chris-Lesley.pdf

"Education
Ringling School of Art & Design, Sarasota, FL, Bachelors in Illustration, 1994-1998National Education Center, Tampa, FL, Associate of Science in Commercial Art, 1992-1994"

Do Jim Vieira and LA Marzulli know you are using their names in your facebook header ?

Ancient Robots,,,,,,,, bwahahahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMCufWwSIDg

You have no credibility,,,,none.

Kent
8/26/2019 12:23:52 pm

Chris, I'll ask you the same question I asked about Manute Bol's femur.

When did you measure the Juicy Skeleton's femur? Failing that, when did you *see it measured* ? You certainly didn't see it measured on this show.

Since you've got the regression game going on perhaps you'd explain what mean and variance you're using and how you arrive at your probability density function.

Jim
8/26/2019 12:30:01 pm

"With Wadlow's 29.5" femur, I get 8.973 feet. (8 feet 11 11/16 inches. Tell me what your calculation gets, please post, i could use a good laugh. I have "the best" regression formula as it pertains to large skeletons. "the best."

Wadlow's 29.5" femur is an estimate by the Guinness Book of World Records 50 years after his death.
Although, I dare say the Guinness Book of World Records probably has more expertise than a comic book artist.

Chris L Lesley link
8/26/2019 04:51:25 pm

The NBA in their history roughly 65,700 "players" since it began.
A 7 '3 skeleton which has shrunk 3 inches over 5k years or so would top out as a 7' 6 individual. I said,

This person was:
"99.9% taller than all basketball players"

Only two players were taller than 7' 6" in its 73 year history.
Gheorghe Mureșan, 7' 6 3/4" and Manute Bol 7' 7".

I said. 99.9%
It should have been 99.99695586% out of 100.

So again, the phrase: (being smaller than many modern basketball players), Jason Colavito

Is he smaller because:
a. He is lying down?
b. Because he is at a lower elevation?
c. He didnt make the nba draft?
d. He is buried?
e. bad research & poor scholarship?
f. Giants are not your subject?
g. thoughtlessly following curriculum writers?

(being smaller than "many" modern basketball players),
only 40 are listed taller than 7 feet.
only 25 are listed over 7 feet 3 inches.

Unless "many" is code for:
1. Almost none
2. few enough to count on one hand.
3. Those two guys
4. I write propaganda pieces
5. any accuracy at all is over rated

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Jim
8/26/2019 05:19:44 pm

Just so you know, Jason isn't likely to respond if all you have is nonsense.

Is English your first language ?
"This person was:
"99.9% taller than all basketball players"

So you are saying his height is dependent upon how tall the basketball player you are comparing him to is ?
Or is he taller than all basketball players combined ?
If he is 99.9% taller than Manute Bol, you are claiming he was 15' 1" ?

I think Kent asked you where you got your measurement's from, any response ? ,,,,,,,Didn't think so.

You got nothing. no expertise, no believable data, nothing.
Is your "regression formula" based on an estimation of Wadlow's 29.5" femur printed in the Guinness Book of World Records ? lol

Why don't you show us your "regression formula" and tell us how you worked it out ? ,,,You got nothing.

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cafeameric
9/4/2019 12:34:01 am

If the creators of this show meant for it to appeal it anyone other males 18-25, they badly missed the boat! The hosts are humorless and look as if they badly need some basic grooming tips (HINT: bushy beards are out, at least if you want to appeal to women they are) The "mysteries" are presented in an unimaginative way, and most are retreads of things already investigated, in a more thorough and interesting way, by Destination Truth or Expedition Unknown. The network appears to feel that bombarding it's viewers with multiple re-runs of boring episodes will help the show to build a following. It won't! Enough already! The sponsors need to remember that most consumer goods aren't bought by millennial men who live in their parents' basement.

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Patricia Rock
11/6/2019 12:29:34 pm

wanted to let you guys know that there are also giants in Sardina. the people of Sardina have tried to hide all of the evidence altho there are structures above ground and below showing evidence the giants were there - i would check it out cuz it seems like they were many places according to the findings

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    • Collection: Ancient Alien Fraud >
      • Chariots of the Gods at 50
      • Secret History of Ancient Astronauts
      • Of Atlantis and Aliens
      • Aliens and Ancient Texts
      • Profiles in Ancient Astronautics >
        • Erich von Däniken
        • Robert Temple
        • Giorgio Tsoukalos
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      • Blunders in the Sky
      • The Case of the False Quotes
      • Alternative Authors' Quote Fraud
      • David Childress & the Aliens
      • Faking Ancient Art in Uzbekistan
      • Intimations of Persecution
      • Zecharia Sitchin's World
      • Jesus' Alien Ancestors?
      • Extraterrestrial Evolution?
    • Collection: Skeptic Magazine >
      • America Before Review
      • Native American Discovery of Europe
      • Interview: Scott Sigler
      • Golden Fleeced
      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
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    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
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          • The Emerald Tablet
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          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
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          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
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        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
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        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
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        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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