Giorgio Tsoukalos, I think it’s fair to say, is not a scholar or a researcher or even an investigator; instead, he is a showman. The Ancient Aliens star and consulting producer went to college (my alma mater, in fact) for sports information communication and spent his formative years as a promoter in the world of professional bodybuilding. His love for the threadbare mysteries of Erich von Däniken led to a position as the ancient astronaut theorist’s English language spokesperson and gatekeeper, in which capacity I interviewed him as a college student in 2002. In the interest of disclosure, I refer you to my 2011 essay on “My Alien Afternoon with Giorgio Tsoukalos” for an explanation of why Tsoukalos accused me of having “malevolent intentions” and as late as 2012 still refused to be in the same building with me. Tsoukalos has never produced a book, nor has he published any original research on ancient astronauts so far as I can find. His reputation as a leading ancient astronaut theorist rests on his position as the editor of Erich von Däniken’s fan club newsletter, Legendary Times, and his appearances on Ancient Aliens, where he took a leading role by dint of his von Däniken connection, his unusual accent, and his increasingly exaggerated sense of style, which runs from his bouffant hairdo to his penchant for gossamer scarves and layers of jewelry. According to Tsoukalos’s own biographies, his greatest intellectual achievement is his “dynamic” PowerPoint presentation on the ancient astronaut theory. By H2 standards, that more than qualifies Tsoukalos to head up (and serve as producer on) a new series in which he expands his minutes of commentary on Ancient Aliens into full, hour-long episodes of In Search of Aliens, a title that immediately recalls In Search of Ancient Astronauts (and its spinoff, In Search Of…), which directly adapted, like Tsoukalos himself, Erich von Däniken. It’s all very appropriate, but also rather disheartening. The show, and its host, are already in reruns before the first episode ever aired. The first episode is about that hoariest of saws, Atlantis, a topic that was last fresh and exciting when Ignatius Donnelly wrote about in 1882, and even then he was merely popularizing arguments that were already 300 years old. But here’s the bigger issue: Tsoukalos, as showman, is more interested in the entertainment value of his claims than their intellectual coherence. As the head of the Ancient Alien Society (formerly the AAS-RA), Tsoukalos approved a series of mission statement articles in the first years of this century summing up what the AAS-RA believes. He published Ulrich Dopatka’s article “Paleo-SETI: Interdisciplinary and Popularized” asserting that “there could not have been any Atlantis (i.e. a very advanced civilization comparable to ours) either, or else we would find traces of its infrastructure worldwide…” This article was widely distributed by Tsoukalos’s AAS-RA as an introductory guide to ancient astronauts and republished on their website as an official AAS-RA position statement, identified only by corporate authorship. But despite this, Tsoukalos went on Ancient Aliens in 2010 to declare the Atlantis “lifted off” as a UFO! In Ancient Greece we have a number of myths which describe islands—bronze, gleaming islands—that fell from the sky and landed in water. I don’t think that Atlantis therefore was an actual, stationary, physical island. Atlantis, according to Plato, disappeared in one night with a lot of fire and a lot of smoke. See, I don’t think that Atlantis sank. I think that Atlantis lifted off. I explained why his 2010 claims of flying bronze islands were wrong years ago. Be sure to read it since these claims will come around again at episode’s end. In the first episode of In Search of Aliens, Tsoukalos is once again happy to go in yet another direction when it comes to Atlantis, at least until consistency requires him to give lip service to his earlier views at the episode’s end. For this new series, Tsoukalos is not dressed in his usual brown suit or his flamboyant scarves. Instead, he is dressed as Indiana Jones, in keeping with publicity materials calling him (like channel-mate Scott F. Wolter) a “real-life Indiana Jones.” It’s all theater, of course, but it’s interesting to contrast the stylistic choices of Ancient Aliens with those of In Search of Aliens. I note that Tsoukalos is not as good at reading copy as he is at extemporaneous bloviating, and his delivery is, in places, stilted, especially since he was apparently instructed to stifle his accent as much as practicable. He doesn’t sound like himself. I wonder if he has been working with a vocal coach to sound more American. The opening to the show is very similar to America Unearthed, which is clearly this program’s model. There are the same glamor shots of our heroic “investigator” parading about in Indiana Jones getup, but more to the point Tsoukalos echoes Wolter in saying “What we’ve been taught by mainstream scholars is not the whole picture.” This is H2’s theme: Academia is hiding things from you. Aesthetically, though, the show wants to connect itself to Ancient Aliens, and the title card reproduces the familiar (and trademarked) Ancient Aliens logo, using the same two typefaces separated by a double line to spell out the new show’s name. Right from the first minute of the show, we’re off to a bad start. Tsoukalos heavily implies that Plato wrote of advanced technology in Atlantis, but this is untrue. Even Ignatius Donnelly didn’t do that. The first accounts of advanced technology in Atlantis came in the 1890s, in the volume Dweller on Two Planets by Frederick S. Oliver (written 1894 and published 1905), itself heavily influenced by Theosophy. This text—allegedly channeled from ancient times through a modern pen—was cited explicitly by Edgar Cayce (reading 364-1), who popularized the idea that Atlantis has super-weapons—in the 1930s! There is no ancient text suggesting anything similar.
Tsoukalos claims he has always been fascinated with Atlantis since youth and dreamed he would find the city. He meets with a man identified as a classical archaeologist, who tells Tsoukalos that Poseidon was involved in genetic engineering of the people of Atlantis. Tsoukalos loves this comment and claims it as “mainstream” support for his views. We hear about Plato’s geography of Atlantis, which is familiar to most readers of this blog, I presume. Tsoukalos asks why Plato offered “incredibly detailed” descriptions of Atlantis if it were a mere myth. I’d like to see him apply that same logic to Euhemerus’ Panchaea, or to Lucian’s moon kingdom. Both are fictions and yet just as detailed. Tsoukalos visits Silves, Portugal to meet with a British amateur investigator named Peter Daughtrey who thinks that the city in Portugal was Atlantis. His book, Atlantis and the Silver City, was one of the amateur books that was so crappy that even I didn’t bother to write about it since it had nothing useful in it to comment on when I read it last year. Daughtrey’s ideas are simply efforts to correlate various facets of Plato with his preferred location for Atlantis, ignoring what he doesn’t like. Today, he shows Tsoukalos a roughly egg-shaped six-foot stone on which a geometric pattern is carved in relief. It’s similar to an omphalos stone, but since it is not 11,000 years old, it can’t be from Atlantis, nor does Plato make any mention of egg-shaped rocks. It seems to be Greco-Roman, probably Orphic. Daughtrey claims it was buried in Noah’s Flood, but Tsoukalos adds that the entwined serpent motif on the rock represents the DNA double helix. He cites Zecharia Sitchin and the Anunnaki to claim that the aliens wiped out rebellious humans with a flood, just as Atlantis was drowned. “That leads me to wonder: Could these stories be related?” Tsoukalos presents this as a unique revelation, but it is not: Ignatius Donnelly didn’t subtitle his Atlantis book “The Antediluvian World” for nothing; like biblical literalists before him, he thought the Atlantis flood was also the flood of Noah. The actual relationship is perhaps more interesting: The last lines of Plato’s unfinished Critias have Zeus become angry at the presumption and sin of the Atlanteans, just like God before the Flood in Genesis 6 (and particularly in extra-biblical Jewish myth), suggesting that Plato may have had a version of the Near East flood myth in mind when devising his allegory. I’m frankly surprised at how much time the show is devoting to Daughtrey and his ideas—twenty minutes so far. Daughtrey tells Tsoukalos that Atlantis was the “biggest producer of precious metals in the then-known world,” which is a rather generous interpretation of Plato’s text, considering that in the Critias Plato wrote of the structures beyond the capital that “there was no adorning of them with gold and silver, for they made no use of these for any purpose.” Within the capital, gold was used for palaces and temples, but until the final corruption for the Atlanteans gold “seemed only a burden to them.” There is no discussion of mining except to say that they dug from the earth whatever they needed. Daughtrey presents a Roman mural of Poseidon as evidence that Silves was connected to Poseidon and therefore, according to Tsoukalos, space aliens. The Romans lived more than 9,000 years after the Atlanteans supposedly lived, so I do not see the connection. But Daughtrey quickly breaks down into ancient astronaut lunacy, talking of genetic engineering and how the “gods” made humans as a slave race to serve them—all the Sitchinite material. It’s probably not worth noting that Poseidon himself can’t be traced back before the Mycenaeans, much less to 9,600 BCE—Plato’s timeframe. At the halfway point, Tsoukalos introduces us to his mentor, Erich von Däniken, and they meet at Mystery Park, von Däniken’s failed ancient astronaut theme park in Switzerland. The park closed to general admission in 2006 due to a lack of paying customers (it was open just three years), and today it operates only during the summer under the name Jungfrau Park. Its new owners made it a kiddie amusement park rather than focus entirely on ancient astronauts. It attracts about 500 daily visitors. Tsoukalos describes it as an “educational” facility dedicated to the ancient astronaut theory. It’s an amusement park. Seriously. Von Däniken gives presentations there on Thursdays during the summer, according to the park website, so I guess that’s what makes it “educational.” As the two men talk, we get yet another recap of the Timaeus and Critias, and von Däniken asserts that Noah’s Flood is responsible for removing all traces of Atlantis and the antediluvian world. He asserts that Mesopotamian cuneiform accounts of the Flood confirm the destruction of Atlantis. Both men believe that the mythical primeval Mesopotamian kings were aliens. Von Däniken, who once argued that aliens had sex with human women, now rants about how the aliens changed one piece of DNA inside of “one cell” and implanted it in “the female” to create humankind. Aliens, of course, are male like him. Women are “females” because they are apparently little more than gestational carriers for future men, who are real people. On a show that features no living women and refers only to ancient women who were in sexually submissive roles or the victims of sexual assault, it is slightly uncomfortable to watch. Von Däniken, having finished complaining about the “females,” sends Tsoukalos to Santorini to review the most familiar and boring idea about Atlantis—that it was inspired by the destruction of Thera (now Santorini) around 1620 BCE. The trouble with this idea, of course, is that you have to throw out a literal reading of virtually all of Plato’s description of Atlantis (its size, age, architecture, location, etc.) to make the claim fit, which negates the purpose of claiming Plato’s Atlantis was in any way “real.” Santorini is not beyond the Pillars of Hercules, nor is its Minoan civilization 11,600 years old. The island can hardly be described as bigger than Libya and Asia combined. Removing all that leaves us with what exactly of Atlantis? Greek Atlantis theorist Jonathan Bright shows Tsoukalos a Minoan fresco from ancient Thera depicting a group of men wearing cloaks that Tsoukalos describes as “feathered,” though they could equally well be made of long fur. Tsoukalos tries to suggest that the men in fur coats are winged Anunnaki, but there is no indication of wings whatsoever in these pictures. He’s grasping at straws to try to make this adventure less than a complete waste of time. As the show pushes in for a landing, Tsoukalos points to cyclopean architecture (i.e., piles of large rocks) as having something to do with aliens and gods, but what is frightening is that Bright decides to link the Greek gods to the Enochian Watchers on Mt. Hermon—emphasizing the Watchers’ seduction of human women to “make children with them.” Can’t we go even one hour without the Watchers?!? They are the alpha and the omega of fringe history. Anyway, both Tsoukalos and Bright are fixated on just one line of the Critias—“The maiden had already reached womanhood, when her father and mother died; Poseidon fell in love with her and had intercourse with her [and] begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children” (trans. Benjamin Jowett)—to make elaborate claims about an alien breeding program. Edwin Sidney Hartland, writing in the late 1800s, catalogued hundreds of pages worth of legends about heroes with divine or supernatural parents in the Legend of Perseus; this was nothing unique to Atlantis or to the Nephilim. Tsoukalos wonders if Near Eastern stories of gods on mountains are related (though he assumes this is due to aliens rather than cultural diffusion) and relates the myth of Asteria, the Titan who fell into the sea and became an island. His summary is a near-verbatim recounting of James Frazer’s translation of Apollodorus (Library, 1.4.1), “Of the daughters of Coeus, Asteria in the likeness of a quail flung herself into the sea in order to escape the amorous advances of Zeus, and a city was formerly called after her Asteria, but afterwards it was named Delos.” He mentions this for no good reason, and makes no connection to much of anything. His 2010 comments on Ancient Aliens explain the connection, but they are omitted here, leaving the audience baffled. In ancient texts it is clear that (as her name implies) she was meant to symbolize meteors. Tsoukalos concludes by stating that he was on an “amazing journey” but that everything we just watched was a huge waste of time because Atlantis was really “some sort of flying craft.” This, he says, is why it can be in various global locations and leave behind no evidence. Yes, that’s much more logical than the idea that it never existed outside Plato’s imagination. But what is the point of this episode if this out-of-nowhere “theory” comes only in the last minute of the show, and “will require more investigation” in the host’s words. Wasn’t “investigation” the point of this show? It’s what he said he was doing at the beginning of the hour, but apparently it’s just the coloring to dress up a lazy excuse for a nice Mediterranean vacation on H2’s dime. What actual investigation did we have in this hour? We heard from an archaeologist, two fringe Atlantis writers, and Erich von Däniken, all of whom simply asserted things without evidence, and no one made even a brief attempt to follow the logic of any one claim, or even to try to present real evidence, facts, or logical arguments in favor of Atlantis. In fact, the show either has a very low opinion of its viewers or else is incompetently written. It failed to address such basic questions the audience would have after watching it as:
The parts of the show didn’t support one another, and they added up to nothing because there was no overriding thesis or purpose, topped with Tsoukalos’s own admission that he doesn’t buy into what his interviewees said. So, again, what was the point? Why waste the air time telling the audience what you don’t think is true? It’s the Prometheus Entertainment school of filmmaking: Throw ideas sort of related to a topic on the screen and hope that glib commentary and pretty pictures (the cinematography was nice) will gloss over the lack of coherence, logic, or purpose. This isn’t a search for Atlantis as much as it is “five white guys’ random thoughts on Atlantis.” It’s a vanity project and a money grab, but it doesn’t even make as good an argument as Ancient Aliens for the topic it supposedly “investigates.” In fact, Tsoukalos’s own discussion of Atlantis on Ancient Aliens in 2010 was more detailed and more complete than his throwaway claims on his own show! In Search of Aliens is an ersatz America Unearthed that lacks even the dubious expertise of Scott F. Wolter, who, for all his faults, produces more interesting television by having the courage of his convictions and coming to lunatic conclusions from a consistent (if skewed) reading of “evidence” he investigates. Tsoukalos could learn a thing or two about the value of at least pretending to have some original research, insights, or ideas.
138 Comments
Only Me
7/26/2014 07:23:21 am
Personally, I was waiting for Tsoukalos to stroke the stone egg, jump back in excitement as it hatched, and then gasp in astonishment when the alien hatchling looked at him and said, "Momma?"
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EP
7/26/2014 07:52:15 am
That would have required the entirety of the budget not being spent on hair and makeup for Mr. Tsoukalos. Given that their Atlantis looks worse than the one in Age of Mythology (a 2002 video game), I think you should have known you were setting yourself up for a disappointment :)
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Only Me
7/26/2014 08:05:15 am
Just watching shows like this, to grasp how far they're willing to go to make money, is willingly setting myself up for disappointment.
EP
7/26/2014 08:55:06 am
All I want to know is when Tsoukalos will wrestle the Bigfoot... What happened to that project? Is it just a part of In Search of Aliens now? 7/26/2014 09:06:06 am
There is an episode on "ultra-terrestrial Bigfoot" coming up, so, yes, it's an episode of the show.
.
7/26/2014 12:22:43 pm
could Paramount be coaxed into producing a KING KONG
Gregor
7/26/2014 12:26:51 pm
@EP
EP
7/26/2014 12:48:44 pm
'Ultra-terrrestrial' is strictly synonymous with 'extra-terrestrial', at least as far as contemporary English is concerned. I bet we owe the neologism to Tsoukalos et al.'s failure to realize that 'extra-terrestrial' doesn't literally mean 'space alien visitor from space'.
Gregor
7/26/2014 01:52:32 pm
@EP
spookyparadigm
7/26/2014 02:46:14 pm
"Ultraterrestrial" signals a specific meaning found in a section of UFO and related occulture, with John Keel as its patron demonologist. Given some of the talking heads apparently showing up on AA's recent episode, and the subject of Reptilians taking us closer to Shaver land, I wouldn't be surprised to see more esoteric UFOs rather than von Daniken's mid-century space opera type aliens.
EP
7/26/2014 03:36:27 pm
@ spookyparadigm:
Ron
7/27/2014 05:50:11 am
As much as he is a practiced showman, I have to admit the old adage applies...where there's smoke there's fire. I also admit to being appreciative of his remarkable command of the English language! never heard him hum or ahh unlike some newscasters i have watched. Even if only 2% of what he say's is true it still makes me think. Cheers to a good show and excellent showman!
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Gregor
7/27/2014 02:38:05 pm
Enh...
Kay
2/27/2015 10:16:52 am
Bravo! I agree! Cheers to a great showman! The author of this blog sounds a little jealous of ol' Giorgio... A lot of hate was spewd for sure in this article.
abductedbyaliens
7/26/2014 10:07:57 am
Jason - Sixth paragraph starting with "In this episode...." you need a correction on the fourth line, "....he is dressed as Indian Jones,...."
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CHV
7/26/2014 10:15:31 am
GT wouldn't understand the meaning of Occam's Razor if it jumped up and stabbed him in the rear.
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Gregor
7/26/2014 12:22:07 pm
For what little it's worth, more and more of the programs pushed out by A&E and Discovery Channel are stamp-press copies of earlier "favorites". As an example, Animal Planet ("Surprisingly Bullshit") released a show called "Treehouse Masters" that - as you might expect from a channel about animals - is a program following a team of carpenters who build tree houses for rich white people. It was reasonably popular (apparently), so they recently released "Pool Master", a show about an old English man who... goes around building pools for rich white people.
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.
7/26/2014 12:29:45 pm
Discovery fired Cody Lundin or perhaps Cody called them on
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spookyparadigm
7/26/2014 02:51:28 pm
TV has never been that creative, but its clearly hiving off into a couple of basic audiences, with high level dramas on the hand, and complete garbage on the other.
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.
7/26/2014 12:45:51 pm
Plato is either very exact or like Lucian of Samosata.
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.
7/26/2014 01:22:58 pm
In Jurassic Park the movie, the lil island of DNA spliced "dinos'
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Gregor
7/26/2014 02:11:19 pm
Just for argument's sake...
game, set and match point.
7/26/2014 03:36:22 pm
brilliantly done. i didst rant on about how lousy a
Dan D
7/26/2014 12:54:31 pm
Says it all
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.
7/26/2014 01:03:36 pm
loosely if you add LYBIA(Africa) to Asia you have something
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BillUSA
7/26/2014 03:33:20 pm
You know, there's no law that prohibits the use of good grammar.
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Zach
7/26/2014 03:51:55 pm
Don't bother feeding the troll. Besides, I couldn't comprehend if what he/she was saying was a story anyway since it was all complete gibberish.
Gregor
7/26/2014 04:14:43 pm
@Zach
.
7/26/2014 04:29:39 pm
call me Yankee frugal. if i condense ideas via an unpredictable
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Will
7/27/2014 01:22:06 pm
No matter what your ideas are, let word-wrap do its job man!
Clint Knapp
7/26/2014 01:12:40 pm
Is it sad that nothing about this review surprises me in the least? We need something new for H2 to blow cash on. I'm voting for a speculative series that says aliens are actually gods. Clearly all that anal probing Whitley Strieber complains about was an ill-fated attempt by Zeus to find something new to mate with.
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spookyparadigm
7/26/2014 02:53:44 pm
Please Mr. Bara, produce one Sumerian scroll. Just one. Not a tablet, not a cone, not an inscribed statue. A scroll. Thank you.
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Gregor
7/26/2014 03:38:53 pm
And cue Mike Bara calling you an idiot, or implying you're "too ugly to be allowed to reproduce", or some other infantile, pissant comment that in no way addresses the real and genuine challenge in 5... 4... 3...
EP
7/26/2014 03:46:36 pm
How does one challenge a man who makes Stichin sound crazier than Stitchin manages to sound on his own?
Gregor
7/26/2014 04:18:45 pm
@EP
Zach
7/26/2014 01:23:40 pm
Jason, how long has Giorgio Tsoukalos been working for Erich von Daniken again? Because from what I recall (although my memory can be pretty bad) he's been working for him since at least the late 90s. However, in the segment with von Daniken I swore I heard him say that he's been collaborating with him for more than 20 years. Did he start working with him prior to 1994? Or did I just mishear him?
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7/26/2014 01:41:57 pm
Good question... I'm not really sure. I guess it depends on how we define "work with." Tsoukalos claims to have founded the AAS-RA in 1998, when he was 20, so his work with EVD must have started before then.
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Gregor
7/26/2014 02:24:16 pm
@Jason
Clint Knapp
7/26/2014 03:02:37 pm
I'm voting for the latter. Accuracy is obviously not a quality he finds particularly necessary.
Zach
7/26/2014 03:08:48 pm
I know that while something like that isn't impossible to happen for someone that young, especially in the fringe community which frankly doesn't require any real knowledge or experience, this still seems off to me. Even with Tsoukalos being vague with the exact number of years, we can still make an accurate guess that in actuality he could have known him for that long. And even then, if we estimate the amount of years, based on the number he did give us, that would have made him 16. This makes me think that he was either some errand boy for him (and obviously he intentionally left that part of his life out of his biographies) or he's lying about his age. Have you ever run across information outside official sources that supports anything like this?
EP
7/26/2014 03:44:50 pm
von Daniken: "I swear, Officer! He told me he was 18!"
Zach
7/26/2014 03:55:32 pm
I did not need that image in my head. Thank you for that by the way EP.
EP
7/26/2014 03:59:12 pm
None of us needs ANY of this in his head, yet here we all are :)
Gregor
7/26/2014 04:10:41 pm
@Zach
Gregor
7/26/2014 04:24:26 pm
@EP
EP
7/26/2014 04:33:38 pm
And so young George got to consummate his "love for the threadbare mysteries of Erich von Däniken"
Zach
7/26/2014 05:46:03 pm
I decided to look up info on Giorgio, and based on a profile I found on white pages under a "Giorgio A. Tsoukalos" based in California it said that the person's age is around 40 to 44 years old. Based on the information I read in his "biography" he should be around 36 years old at this point in time. At first this didn't tell me anything, but it wasn't until I looked up one of the two numbers listed under the profile, that I was brought to a business profile for Legendary Times on the official website for the Better Business Bureau. And don't worry, I made sure it was Tsoukalos's own Legendary Times -- after all it's not everyday a company gets complaints for its customers not getting its subscription, or GOLDEN FLYER, because it's only employee/owner was out of the office on one of his "EXPEDITIONS," and not getting a complete refund until months later. Now, I can't say for sure how accurate White Pages can be but I can say this - von Daniken trained Tsoukalos well in the ways of the con arts.
EP
7/26/2014 05:48:05 pm
"Legendary Times"... heh...
Gregor
7/26/2014 06:13:50 pm
@Zach
EP
7/26/2014 06:24:43 pm
@ Zach & Gregor:
Gregor
7/26/2014 06:29:32 pm
@EP
EP
7/26/2014 06:34:12 pm
Man, Gregor... You're on fire with ethnic sensitivity tonight... :P
Zach
7/26/2014 06:36:19 pm
@ Gregor 7/26/2014 11:43:21 pm
For what it's worth, I've always had trouble making his biographical timeline work. He graduated Ithaca College with a 4 year degree in 1998 (I know because I checked with the school), which meant the (even if he had transfer credit) he supposedly had been attending the college since at least 1996 (they accepted at the time only 2 years of transfer credit), and more likely 1994--when he was allegedly 16. Yet he ALSO had a large, well-furnished house in Ithaca (which I visited in 2002, before he sold it to build his Clubhouse in California), was running body-building competitions around the world, and was also in Switzerland to meet and start working with EVD. Some people can go through a college program quickly, but for a foreign student (allegedly he did high school at a prep school in Switzerland) to finish high school early, move to another country, establish a business in that country, and complete a 4 year degree while still a teenager seems to stretch credulity.
Gregor
7/27/2014 03:28:54 am
http://www.ithaca.edu/icq/2004v2/alum/alumi3.htm
Mark E.
7/26/2014 01:25:29 pm
After watching this last night I feel H2 needs to change the name to "Giorgio Tsoukalos' Flying Circus". And now for something completely different we give you the flying Atlantis.
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Clint Knapp
7/26/2014 02:06:37 pm
Completely different if they ignore the fact the Sci-Fi channel (at least, I think this was before the rebranding to SyFy) did it first with Stargate: Atlantis.
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Gregor
7/26/2014 04:37:51 pm
@Clint
.
7/26/2014 01:42:12 pm
The late Edgar Cayce once lived in Virginia Beach, VA and
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StrongStyleFiction
7/26/2014 01:55:38 pm
So basically, if you're going to lie to me, at least have the decency to put some effort into your lies.
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StrongStyleFiction
7/26/2014 01:57:28 pm
For the record, I'm talking about the show and not Jason. I could also be talking about my first grade teacher.
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.
7/26/2014 02:21:07 pm
H.G Wells is known for his brilliant Sci-Fi novels that also
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Only Me
7/26/2014 03:01:29 pm
Hey, ".", I'm going to be honest with you. Your posting habits are exhausting and absurd.
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Dave Lewis
7/26/2014 03:37:42 pm
I didn't think anybody actually read .'s comments!
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EP
7/26/2014 03:48:31 pm
Gregor does, apparently :)
.
7/26/2014 03:40:25 pm
it is simple. Sir Thomas More is correct.
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Titus pullo
7/27/2014 06:22:29 am
Ok I briefly read this when I saw Fredrick Hayek and john Keynes. It might make sense if your on acid
.
7/27/2014 06:35:18 pm
dudes.... we just "lost" half of Iraq.
JayB
7/26/2014 03:07:46 pm
I am ever more amazed at how a small, lovely country like Switzerland could have provided the world with mental giants such as 'Billy' Meier, Erich von Daniken and Giorgio Tsoukolos.
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Dave Lewis
7/26/2014 03:44:21 pm
Having spent a bit of time in a few other countries I can confirm that there are people selling fringe ideas all over. Some of the European countries are less friendly to new religious movements after incidents like Order of the Solar Temple.
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EP
7/26/2014 03:52:21 pm
Most former Warsaw Pact countries (as well as, arguably, India) are A LOT worse in this regard than any major developed Anglophone country.
Gregor
7/26/2014 04:46:31 pm
Which is odd since given Bollywood's stock & trade, you'd think most Indians would hear the "Ancient Astronaut / Aliens Theory" and say: "Enh, that's boring... what else ya got? And does it have random dancing girls?"
EP
7/26/2014 04:54:54 pm
Way to be culturally sensitive there, buddy :P
Gregor
7/26/2014 05:11:07 pm
@EP
EP
7/26/2014 05:18:13 pm
On India: One time they elected a party that literally wanted to ban calculus from textbooks and replace it with some bits from the Vedas.
Gregor
7/26/2014 05:52:08 pm
@EP
EP
7/26/2014 05:57:52 pm
Not sure what you're talking about. You're not thinking of Indiana and pi, are you?
Gregor
7/26/2014 06:04:45 pm
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/04/louisiana_bible_state_book.html
EP
7/26/2014 06:09:10 pm
Making the Bible the official State book < seriously damaging education for millions of children in a developing country
Gregor
7/26/2014 06:22:25 pm
@EP
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7/26/2014 03:49:01 pm
To "Only Me" ---- Why do you assume the ancient Egyptians
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Only Me
7/26/2014 04:17:16 pm
What the hell do the Egyptians and their construction of the pyramids have to do with anything?
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.
7/26/2014 05:18:42 pm
Only Me --- your last Hamlet-like question is in response
Only Me
7/26/2014 07:03:24 pm
I see. You're misconstruing my example, intended to highlight the inane bulk of your comments. You're always stringing along different thoughts, as if you tossed them into a blender, and most of the time, a lot of readers don't grasp what your point was supposed to be.
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7/26/2014 09:29:59 pm
having been exposed to Philosophy 101 and the Harry Potter
Only Me
7/27/2014 07:17:32 am
TL;DR
BillUSA
7/27/2014 01:36:36 pm
Only Me -
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7/26/2014 03:58:23 pm
More specifically, we indeed do need something like
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Only Me
7/26/2014 04:18:47 pm
"You assume it's very new."
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EP
7/26/2014 04:44:58 pm
von Daniken-Tsoukalos roleplay goes into a thread somewhere above :)
Gregor
7/26/2014 04:51:28 pm
*To the forum!
Only Me
7/26/2014 04:59:41 pm
No, no! You and Gregor seem to be doing just fine. Carry on! ;)
EP
7/26/2014 05:06:40 pm
You are too kind!
Gregor
7/26/2014 05:13:57 pm
Due out in 2016 courtesy of Legendary Times Books: "G.A. Tsoukalos and the Legend of the Crossed Sabres: An Adventure Story!"
EP
7/26/2014 05:19:00 pm
Who needs "the female" when they have each other
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7/26/2014 05:32:37 pm
Duckies ---- if Jason is correct about the blackballing
EP
7/26/2014 05:36:38 pm
I'm sure Jason's going to jump at the chance to take legal advice from "."
.
7/26/2014 05:49:04 pm
i'm a New Englander --- i understand what got James
EP
7/26/2014 05:54:44 pm
ok that's nice
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7/26/2014 06:12:21 pm
again, sometimes... i can be mistaken or wrong.
.
7/26/2014 04:42:38 pm
Plato with his 9000 years is like Nostradamus and 1999.
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Gregor
7/26/2014 05:28:25 pm
Not sure you meant to imply this, but I agree that the theoretical frontiers of science can get pretty "weird", including the theory that the "future" can affect the "past" before it even happens (i.e. that time is not linear in the way we think of it currently).
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EP
7/26/2014 05:34:48 pm
Who are you to question my plans, you little man of linear time? Who are you to believe he knows what is best for I, I, who has drunk down the agonies of a million Men, I, who has seen to the edge of forever?
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7/26/2014 05:39:28 pm
P.T Barnum's "Figi" mermaid...
Gregor
7/26/2014 05:57:48 pm
@EP
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7/26/2014 04:59:10 pm
Lets assume by Plato's rules a cool bean-bag chair is like
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Gregor
7/26/2014 05:48:20 pm
Old tricks are the best tricks, eh? I'd agree that there's a fair amount of willful mimicry and imitation in the histories of mankind... supported further by our shared (physical) constitution and instinctive behaviors... but I'm not sure that such things could be used as grounds to argue that "we are Atlantis" in anything but the broadest of contexts.
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EP
7/26/2014 05:53:21 pm
"Old tricks are the best tricks, eh?" (Tsoukalos on being von Daniken's protege)
.
7/26/2014 05:53:54 pm
brilliantly said, yes...
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7/26/2014 06:00:43 pm
EP ---- if Mr. Courtney Brown "remote viewed" a Star Trek
.
7/26/2014 06:40:52 pm
this GT-blog is now at 99 replies and is about to go triple digits
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RudeRock
7/27/2014 12:37:26 pm
Thanks for the review. Glad I didn't waste time on it. Ancient Aliens is ridiculous and absurd.
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Frets Burton
7/27/2014 04:38:57 pm
He never said that the entwined serpent motif on the rock represents the DNA double helix he said it looked like it big difference, I know some people find the ancient alien theory absurb but i feel the same way about the bible neither has any real merrit but also i appreciate the fact that without people coming up with different theorys about the past how will ever know what truly happened, Debate and theorys can only lead to the truth in the long wrong, im sure when Nicola Tesla come out and said ive invented this thing called electricity people went oh yeah whatever we got another loony here or a long time ago people thought the earth was flat and people who said it was round were persecuted no matter what anyone says debate on this issue can only be a good thing but when i started reading this article it was clear from the begining that the author had something personal against Giorgio Tsoukalos lets keep the debate about what its about Ancient History not about bagging a guy thats trying open peoples minds up to different theorys(all be some of them absurb).
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EP
7/27/2014 04:43:46 pm
Tesla invented electricity, everybody!
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Gregor
7/27/2014 04:46:49 pm
I freaking knew it!! -sigh-
Only Me
7/27/2014 05:53:48 pm
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3plsx2
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here is my short quiz
7/27/2014 06:39:02 pm
Leyden Jars store
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7/27/2014 06:42:58 pm
New Quiz
Only Me
7/27/2014 07:13:04 pm
Answer 1:
An Over-Educated Grunt
7/28/2014 05:17:57 am
No, no one accused Tesla of lunacy when he experimented with electricity. They accused him of lunacy when he claimed a romance with a pigeon.
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.
7/27/2014 07:43:28 pm
Only Me --- in light of the Neanderthal "cannibalism"
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.
7/27/2014 07:52:23 pm
also... in the second quiz, given that a Leyden Jar clearly is
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.
7/27/2014 08:04:17 pm
NEW QUIZ
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An Over-Educated Grunt
7/28/2014 05:19:03 am
Jason -
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Colin Hunt
7/28/2014 06:31:44 am
Give George, ‘The Hair’ (so obviously antennae devices to receive informative alien transmissions), and others like Childress, their due. Accept their delusions. They obviously believe they are disciples of their supposed aliens. By their own admissions they, as part of the human race, are influenced/controlled/ manipulated by aliens to promote alien beliefs (as members of the human race that is an inevitable consequence). They promote themselves as disciples of alien cultures, thereby degrading current humans and their culture. They cannot escape that fact unless they consider themselves alien agents and therefore superior to established knowledge and earthly human cultures and development. The fact that there are so many gullible people out there that believe them, and make them wealthy, should never be dismissed. It’s scary that such blind unquestioning belief as to theirs has previously led to worldwide conflicts. Who would have followed a failed artist and disgruntled corporal if they knew what that would lead to? What is their objective? What is their agenda? Where are they trying to lead people, other than making themselves wealthy?
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Gregor
7/28/2014 03:56:32 pm
Your reference to the "artist & disgruntled corporal" as the harbinger of global war is a vast, almost insulting, oversimplification of the various undercurrents within and without that lead to (and exacerbated) that conflict.
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.
7/28/2014 04:37:44 pm
Can we all think through the idea that precisely 100 years ago a
EP
7/28/2014 04:31:46 pm
" Daughtrey presents a Roman mural of Poseidon as evidence that Silves was connected to Poseidon and therefore, according to Tsoukalos, space aliens... It’s probably not worth noting that Poseidon himself can’t be traced back before the Mycenaeans, much less to 9,600 BCE—Plato’s timeframe."
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Lea
7/30/2014 06:01:55 am
Despite Tsoukalos lack of credentials he has caused more people to -- in the least -- consider the topic than your credentialed rant ever will.
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EP
7/30/2014 01:15:28 pm
You're saying it like doing in hi Tsoukalos's manner is something to be proud of...
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Matt Mc
7/31/2014 03:11:37 am
If I were Tsoukalos I would be proud. He is able to make a living spewing BS and has become a self promotion machine.
IamLisa
8/1/2014 03:40:30 pm
Giorgio and friends present on theory of the past using their evidence.
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EP
8/1/2014 04:54:46 pm
I take it that the concept of some theories being obviously A LOT more flawed than others is alien to you (no pun intended)...
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BB
8/2/2014 12:52:04 am
So if this all true, where the hell are the aliens when you need them?
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Decker
10/4/2014 03:56:50 pm
I agree that most of it is BS, but I can't explain the Nasca Lines. The geometric designs. It is the one and only proof to me of Ancient Aliens. So Tsoukalus is a fraud, so what, the Nasca lines aren't. I enjoy the TV shows, Entertaining. I even like Star Trek.
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MQ
12/12/2014 03:28:27 pm
It would be naive to expect Ancient Aliens and In Search of Aliens to be 100% accurate in their reports. Who could be 100% correct on such subjects ? And Giorgio and Von Daniken do not expect it either when they made their presentations. What they expect is for us to open our minds to think and ponder deeper on what might have been. It is a healthy exercise.
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Typhonis
1/30/2015 10:32:03 am
You know, when I first heard of this series I had hopes it would be like the old In Search Of as narrated by Leonard Nimoy.
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