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Review of "Return to Roanoke: Search for the Seven"

3/28/2017

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​In October of 2015, the History Channel broadcast a documentary in which Jim and Bill Vieira, who came to prominence on the channel in a series documenting their fruitless search for Nephilim-giants, evaluated whether the so-called Dare Stones were genuine artifacts of the Roanoke colonists’ dramatic flight from a bloodthirsty tribe of Native Americans as they escaped into the heart of Georgia. In that show, the brothers concluded that the Dare Stones were forgeries, though they held out hope that the first stone uncovered near Edenton, NC in 1937 was the one and only genuine Dare Stone, carved by the hand of Eleanor Dare herself. That was eighteen months ago. 
​Return to Roanoke: Search for the Seven tells us in its own narration that the show was meant to air one year after the October 2015 Roanoke: Search for the Lost Colony to which it is a sequel. You would think that History would have aired it last fall, when American Horror Story: Roanoke had made the lost colony a pop culture phenomenon again for a couple of months. Why it was delayed six months and dumped on a spring Sunday with little promotion I could only speculate. Perhaps part of the issue is that the documentary is by turns dull and confounding, and its dramatic “revelation” in the last two minutes is, at best, underwhelming and at worst deceptive.
 
This documentary doesn’t make much sense unless you watched the 2015 show it builds upon. To that end, you should read my review of that older show before reading this one since I don’t feel like repeating myself nearly as much as this show repeated the previous one. If you did not see that show, you were likely baffled and dumbfounded by what was going on for most of the run time.  The show was apparently filmed in spring or summer of 2016 and kept on a shelf for nine months or so. I will confess to remembering little of the first show, and I needed to read my own review to remember it, so dull was it.
 
This installment is based on some quasi-serious “reopening” of what they call an “official” inquiry into the authenticity of the Dare Stones by the university where the stones are housed. Everyone admits that most of the Dare Stones were fakes, but the president of Brenau University, Ed Schrader, wants to investigate whether the first stone was real. This is the only stone that has never been conclusively proven either genuine or a modern fake, and it is the only one that might have a claim to authenticity. However, the story it tells in its carving doesn’t seem to support recent archaeological evidence that the Roanoke colonists decamped to Hatteras Island (formerly Croatoan) and lived out their lives there.
 
Hour One
The show opens with cinematic recreation of early efforts to find the lost colonists of Roanoke, some two decades after their disappearance. The staging is generally competent, and they clearly spent money on costumes, but the anachronisms speak to the lack of care involved in slapping together the show. For example, the voiceover by an actor portraying Captain John Smith of Jamestown is in a modern American accent, even though the Roanoke colonists and those who searched for them were British. Because the dramatic reenactments punctuate the show, the American accent on Smith, whom the show identifies specifically (and correctly) as British, becomes quite distracting. And just in case you were keeping score at home, the voiceover, so far as I can tell, does not use the actual words of John Smith. None of the voiceover segments seemed to match anything from Smith’s published journals, insofar as I was able to search them, and there was no indication that the show used unpublished material. It is deceptive to supply Smith with words he never said, particularly when they imply a much deeper involvement of Smith in the Roanoke saga than he had. In the end, despite the reenactments, his material contributed exactly nothing to the show, which instead relied on the secondhand account of William Strachey, who was briefly the secretary of the Jamestown colony.
 
Much of the first act involves recapping the 2015 special and explaining that almost all of the Dare Stones are hoaxes. At this point, only one Dare Stone – the first found – is said to have the potential to be authentic. As I have remarked in the past, it might be, but there is not much evidence either way, so the lack of confirming evidence in the vicinity where it is said to have been found argues against it.
 
This show is premised on John Smith’s search for the Roanoke colony, and the Vieira brothers conflate this with the question of whether the first Dare Stone is real. “We’re getting another bite of the apple,” Bill Vieira says of the Dare Stones, but he might better be talking of their desire to get back on TV after the failure of their series Search for the Lost Giants and the failure of the first Dare Stones special to launch a weekly series. The Vieira brothers praise one another endlessly in the first segment, boasting of their accomplishments—even though they have collectively offered nothing unknown to historians. Jim Vieira seems to confirm that he no longer cares as much for Nephilim-giants since he became a full-time Roanoke “addict” in 2015, calling the first Dare Stone “the Da Vinci Code mixed with Indiana Jones” and praising it as the most exciting mystery in history. A university official—I didn’t catch whether it was the president or a professor, and the long parade of gray-haired white men blended together for me—calls efforts to research the stone the most exciting archaeological work in a century, which must make King Tut feel rather ashamed.
 
Historian David La Vere briefs Jim Vieira on the history of Jamestown, and Vieira—who, I will note, now dresses in professorial garb with new glasses and a clean-shaven face, rather than the t-shirts, jeans, and stubble from last year—says that La Vere will do the work of researching Jamestown and “hand off” a summary to him. This leads the brothers to revisit places that were featured in the 2015 show, with flashbacks to that documentary.
 
At some point in the second half hour, something finally happened. After much handwringing, the team decides to slice off a chip from the first Dare Stone to test its geochemical composition. The president of the university dramatically worries that the stone might shatter in cutting a piece off, but he agrees to “lay it all on the line” to find the “truth.” It’s all very melodramatic, with pulsing music underscoring the stroking of chins as … absolutely nothing happened except nearly ten minutes of screen time were used up. At the 45-minute mark, there have been perhaps 3 minutes of content in the show.
 
The results of the analysis determined that the Eleanor Dare Stone is made of white quartz with a brown patina. They speculate that should the stone be a hoax, the carvings on it should have been pure white in 1937 because it would have been a fresh cut. By contrast, if the stone were from the 1500s, the carvings might well have been darker. Early photographs do indeed show the carving to be much lighter in color than the surrounding rock, and they remain much lighter today. Granted, I don’t know whether the markings were chalked or painted to make them easier to read, but no one else seems to be interested in checking such things, either. They simply let the idea drop, probably because the answer would not support their thesis. Instead, the team speculates that the Dare Stone came from a ship’s ballast and they go searching for other ballast stones for comparison, as though the random allotment of stones a ship carried would be of the same type or even from the same location. The entire exercise was a waste of time and provided no useful information.
 
A historian notes that a Jamestown colonist reported a rumor that seven Roanoke colonists were held in a Native copper mine. This is a reference to a rumor that William Strachey reported in 1612: “the Weroance Eyanoco preserved seven of the English alive — fower men, two boyes, and one yonge mayde (who escaped and fled up the river of Chanoke), to beat his copper, of which he hath certaine mynes at the said Ritanoe.” Jim Vieira sees this as confirming the authenticity of the Dare Stone, which mentions seven survivors, but since the text was known in the 1930s, it could just as well be the inspiration for a hoax. Once again, the “evidence” proves nothing.
 
So ends the first hour, which could profitably be skipped, missing nothing of importance.
 
Hour Two
As the second hour begins, Bill Vieira, dives into the water to pick up old ballast stones. The men then smash up the ballast stones to see if the trace elements on the stones match those of the Dare Stone, thus showing they originated in the same location. This is only useful if we assume that the ballast all originated at the same place and that, for example, some wasn’t picked up later along the way. Similarly, the ballast picked up in the water is unlikely to have been a Roanoke colony ship’s ballast stone, and therefore the trace elements would be irrelevant in linking the Dare Stone to the Roanoke ships’ ballast, and not terribly useful in proving that the Dare Stone came from the water near to where it was found in 1937.
 
The Shakespeare scholar from 2015 who declared that a hoaxer would never have known that in the 1500s “the” was written with a thorn (an obsolete Old English symbol for th) and a superscript e, suggesting astonishing levels of ability to look things up in books, now says that the text of the stone contains only material accessible in 1937 from published accounts, suggesting a hoax is possible. However, Dr. Kevin Quarmby says that because library cards are too difficult to get (!), it would be too hard to gather the information; therefore, Eleanor Dare is the only person likely to have had the knowledge to produce the stone. He is full of shit. The Library of Congress, for example, contains all of the books referenced in this show, and it is not exactly Fort Knox. I am sure other libraries contained sufficient copies of the relevant texts. Just to be clear: The first Dare Stone does not contain any particularly special material that would require a deep knowledge of Roanoke history. To pretend otherwise—to the extent of imagining it difficult to gain access to libraries!—is just silly. Indeed, the first Dare Stone is only plausible because it matches well-known texts and maps. To be particularly blunt, the Dare Stone echoes quite closely the account given by William Strachey in 1612, an account republished in 1849 by the Hakluyt Society and available in any good library of the Depression era. No access to special manuscripts is required.
 
Following this, the Vieira brothers follow up on the rumor from Strachey that the Roanoke colonists were held as copper-mining slaves by going in search of a Native American copper mine where they might have labored. No Native American copper mine, the narrator says, has ever been found in the area. Eagle-eyed readers will recall that the rumor Strachey reported did not actually say that the colonists worked the mines, only that they worked the copper ore, which might have occurred anywhere. They expend an entire act discussing how to search for a Native American copper mine, but while the existence of copper ore would offer corroboration of the fact that Native people could have used Roanoke colonists as copper slaves, it really offers nothing by way of proof that they actually did, only that that the person who spread the story to Strachey knew that Native people had a copper mine. The Vieira bothers find a place where they believe Native Americans mined copper, but no European artifacts were found.
 
The show’s dramatic revelation at the end is that the Dare Stone contains similar trace elements to the stones at the copper mine, but even the show concedes that there is no proof that the stone came from this specific copper mine. (Indeed, America Unearthed found matching quartzite in a completely different location and declared it a match, too!) Nor were the Vieira Brothers able to explain how the Dare Stone got from the inland copper mines down to Edenton, or why Eleanor Dare, should she be the “fair maid” who escaped the copper mines, carried a large, heavy rock with her while she fled in terror for her life. Personally, I wouldn’t consider it a top priority on my way out the door.
40 Comments
Brent
3/28/2017 10:10:22 am

Despite this review's bias and obvious envy, the documentary was brilliant and engaging.

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Joe Scales
3/28/2017 11:06:59 am

Would you rather a documentary be accurate, well researched and guided by validly credentialed experts, or is simply brilliant and engaging enough for you Brent?

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BigNick
3/28/2017 01:07:55 pm

I guess accurate and engaging is to much to hope for these days.

E.P. Grondine
3/28/2017 05:55:33 pm

Hi BN -

"I guess accurate and engaging is to much to hope for these days."

So how do you get accurate and engaging television produced-distributed? And at a low enough price, and at a level to engage a general auduence? Solve that one.

BigNick
3/28/2017 07:05:37 pm

E.P.-
Accurate, engaging, and low cost? One word: Muppets.

There are plenty of good shows out there. How The States Got Their Shapes immediately comes to mind. There are plenty of topics to cover, even ones that have been covered before, that can be good television. They used to run week long series on different topics like Mexico, Arms and Armor, and Rome that were very engaging.

David Bradbury
3/29/2017 08:18:49 am

"how do you get accurate and engaging television produced-distributed? And at a low enough price, and at a level to engage a general auduence?"
Easy. There is plenty of rubbish on British TV screens, but even the lowliest of the "big 5" broadcasters, Channel 5, can get audiences of a million or more (in a population a fifth the size of the USA) for well-made documentaries led by genuinely interested celeb presenters, such as "Secrets of the National Trust with Alan Titchmarsh" and "The Railways that Built Britain with Chris Tarrant".

DR HALSEY
3/28/2017 01:21:43 pm

Envy over what exactly? The documentary recycled much of the material from the last one and didn't even offer any conclusive evidence for anything. If it was brilliant and engaging, I feel you could've mounted a better defense of it than implying the author is jealous. Tougher to do, but surely you're capable.

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SDO
3/28/2017 06:32:41 pm

"brilliant and engaging"
Glad you enjoyed it. I had trouble staying awake mainly due to the recycled-recycled-repeated-repeated content

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Robert Jacob
5/8/2017 11:30:20 am

Apparently this very biased reviewer wasn't paying attention at the end of the program when they explained that the "Dare Stone got from the inland copper mines down to Edenton" when Eleanor Dare somehow persuaded someone traveling down river to take the stone to the massive native American trading center at Edenton. She knew that this would be where the English would be looking for the colonists since it was their plotted location of their proposed fort.

I think this documentary was exceptionally well done and totally convinced me that the original Dare Stone is genuine.

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Bill Croghan
3/28/2017 10:42:00 am

I enjoyed your review but have to ask what British accent you would have given John Smith. certainly not the current one as it is post Revolutionary War, according to what I have read ( i am certainly not a linguist).

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Jason Colavito link
3/28/2017 10:57:31 am

Beats the heck out of me. Pronunciation back then was weird, too. I would expect that people with money and resources might have researched it, or, barring that, followed convention and used the sort of standard Hollywood British accent that represents "historical" and/or "foreign" speech in movies. It would have been less distracting, even if it is no less inaccurate.

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Dan D'Silva
3/28/2017 04:40:07 pm

John Smith was from Lincolnshire. I know accents change over time and you could argue that he'd have picked up influences from traveling so much, but unless someone who'd reconstructed the turn-of-the-17th-century dialect of Lincolnshire came along to save the day, I'd most likely go with a modern East Midlands accent. At least it would be the right place, if not time.

If time were short, I'd agree a "Hollywood British" accent would be the most likely default.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
3/28/2017 08:49:07 pm

A modern British accent would have been just as anachronistic as an American one. Smith's sojourn in North America was at the same time as Shakespeare's later plays, and the pronunciation of Shakespeare has attracted a good deal of attention. You can hear some samples here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPlpphT7n9s

The dropped "r" that distinguishes most English accents from most American ones had not yet developed in English when the earliest colonies were settled, which is why most people in the colonies kept the "r" that England dropped. Therefore, in the early 17th century most of England would have sounded something like the English West Country accent today (think Hagrid).

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BigNick
3/28/2017 11:22:49 am

My understanding is also that the British used to speak with accents similar to Americans. They changed, not us. I read it in an

That "documentary" was more like an endurance challenge. They just kept repeating themselves. the library card bit was kind of funny though. I'm just glad they didn't say John Smith was a Templar.

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Jason Colavito link
3/28/2017 11:28:30 am

Well, this is what YouTube says it would have sounded like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-rejaoP7U

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Juan
3/28/2017 04:58:06 pm

Smith likely spoke with an East Midlands accent, quite different from the pronunciation of Shakespeare's London.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
3/28/2017 08:52:55 pm

Aah, I should have read the whole comments section. Anyway, the move toward R-dropping wasn't very far advanced anywhere in England in Smith's time. I doubt Lincolnshire was an exception.

Juan
3/28/2017 04:37:40 pm

The repetitions reminded me of the Hoax Island episodes.

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Dave
5/14/2020 03:28:20 am

You'll be glad to hear Hoax Island is sucking cash out of advertising budgets 3+ years later! At an accelerated rate, I understand. Guess they haven't had Giorgio (?) on yet, maybe next year. I still watch in hopes of them actually hitting the big one, just so I can watch the narrator explain over and over and over again how they hit while using a technique, or while pursuing another grand theory, they should have utilized about 6 yeats ago. Like any reasonable person would have. Just sayin'!

Kal
3/28/2017 03:28:18 pm

The V bros. likely watched Pocahontas from Disney for their accents, such as the cartoon of John Smith in that film.

So the show blew 2 hours with commercials, 90 minutes or so, to say nothing.

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Americanegro
3/28/2017 03:51:22 pm

Like I always say, Black Library Cards Matter.

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Only Me
3/28/2017 04:32:19 pm

At least this show demonstrated one thing: how extraordinarily difficult it is to conclude a stone "artifact", like the Dare Stone or rune stones, is genuine. Without corroborating evidence, the only thing that makes such stones special is their inscriptions, which can be modern or old with equal likelihood.

That is both the strength of the mystery of such stones and its weakness. It's argued they're so unique they must be authentic, but since they are often found alone there's no way to prove it. Like the similar OOPARTS, it seems the mystery is more important than the answer.

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Joe Scales
3/28/2017 07:21:46 pm

Didn't the first Dare stone show up the same year the stage production "The Lost Colony" was being promoted?

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BigNick
3/28/2017 07:58:19 pm

Both 1937, Virginia Dares 350th birthday. Also her mother was the author of the stone. None of this was investigated on the show of course

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Titus pullo
3/28/2017 07:41:50 pm

Perhaps the colonists were brought up to Michigan isle royale and forced to mine copper by the Minoans who stayed behind and became the ancient merchant class to Native Americans . A show linking these brothers with Scott Wolter and hell tie in the Laginas and oak island!

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BigNick
3/28/2017 08:11:28 pm

Wolter would never be on a show with the Vierra brothers. He is so much smarter then those two. Can you believe they actually give Native Americans credit for mining copper. And not one mention of templars bringing Virginia Dare to America because she was the last of the Jesus bloodline.

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Kathleen
3/29/2017 01:54:40 am

Why would someone carry a ballast stone inland and then carve it?

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David Bradbury
3/29/2017 08:26:41 am

Americans can sometimes get a little weird with rocks ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUvdoVyLEa4

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Jim
3/29/2017 10:50:15 am

In case they got lost. They could have then mined the stone for magnetite and made a compass.

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Bob Jase
3/29/2017 03:18:31 pm

They found quartzite? My gosh, that's only one of the most common minerals anywhere?

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Ethan Allen
3/30/2017 01:54:33 am

I have to say, despite the flaws mentioned here the show was entertaining and made me hungry for more information. Yes it was at times overly dramatic, contained a fair amount of bull and was at times both hokey and/or obnoxiously certain of itself but it was an interesting journey to go on and despite their flaws I do enjoy the Vieira brothers.

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Dale Melton
3/30/2017 11:11:14 pm

I keep wondering why I keep letting myself get "worked up" over shows like this. I always feel that if a network is willing to air a show, then it must have some credence. That was two hours of my life better spent cleaning snails or something really important. I told my wife I half expected to have Geraldo Rivera to pop out from behind a tree or from under a rock and start telling us about the wonderful things we were going to find in Al Capone's secret vaults. I'm sure they could have found somebody that could have tied it all together.

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D. Lynn
3/31/2017 10:00:58 pm

Doubtless there is dead air time on this show (and shows similar to it.) Can you say DVR and fast forward? But you? It is equally important to FF through your writings. Your blinding ego eclipses any hint of equanimity. So self-important that your superior "reason" must crush those beneath you. Retch. Old white men? Look in the mirror, vain princeling.

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Americanegro
3/31/2017 11:54:36 pm

Is this what you're referencing?

"A university official—I didn’t catch whether it was the president or a professor, and the long parade of gray-haired white men blended together for me"

It's unclear what you mean by "Look in the mirror, vain princeling." Have you looked at Jason's picture? It's clear that he's some kind of mud race hodgepodge.

To sum up, you sound like a crazy person.

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Sylvia Baago
4/2/2017 10:06:08 pm

I loved the show But I had not seen the first one and so the repetitive material was useful ( for me). It is a fascinating mystery and I do hope investigators will continue to raise these questions.

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Charlene M FrasierW
5/2/2017 08:33:25 pm

Will this be airing again?

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tom brown
5/7/2017 09:49:27 pm

Jason's discrediting remark about "old white men" brands him as a petty (and perhaps racist). It certainly discredits him as an objective reviewer.

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Kathleen
5/7/2017 10:25:35 pm

I believe that it was a sequence of homogeneous, old guard experts without diverse comments regarding the stones. Jason should turn a different phrase next time he wishes to express a similar observation.

Petty? Racist? Discrediting? That's quite a stretch. Subjective? Always hard for anyone to obtain 100% objectivity. Everyone has trouble with that, including you. And me.

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Deema
5/8/2017 02:40:21 pm

SO glad I found your blog...I passed out 5 minutes into this re-airing at 10 last night....guess that said it all....

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Vernon Corea
5/11/2019 02:34:20 pm

I apologize if this has been addressed above. the Brits of the 16th century did not speak in modern English accents. The speech of Captain John Smith would have , in fact closer to modern American English than modern English English

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