Have you ever wondered what it would be like if the giant-hunting Vieira brothers remade an episode of America Unearthed virtually scene by scene? No? Tough luck. You’re getting it anyway. When we last left Jim and Bill Vieira, they were hunting for giants on the History Channel series Search for the Lost Giants. That show was a ratings disaster, and the Vieira brothers displayed the kind of stilted delivery and anti-charisma that might have destroyed careers on network television. However, it is an iron law of cable TV that once a person has been granted a TV series, it becomes statistically impossible not to be given another show due to cable executives’ embrace of the sunk cost fallacy. Therefore, last night the Vieira brothers presented a 2-hour special about the Dare Stones, a 1930s hoax that claimed that the lost colonists of Roanoke decamped for Georgia. If there is one thing History loves more than recycling hosts, it’s recycling the same few subjects over and over again. If all of this sounds familiar, it’s because H2’s America Unearthed did an episode on the Dare Stones a few seasons back, and I wrote about all of the reasons that the Dare Stones are obvious fakes back then. From my earlier review, here is the background on the Dare Stones: The first stone, well-weathered, was apparently the gravestone of Ananias and Virginia Dare. If there is any truth to the stones, this one, found near the lost colony, is possibly the only authentic stone. Geologists of the time determined it was 400 years old, and some scholars continue to believe it is an authentic sixteenth century artifact. In 1937, historian Dr. Haywood Pearce deciphered its inscription and declared it genuine. He offered a reward for more stones, paying out up to $1,200 (almost $20,000 in today’s dollars) per stone. Suddenly, stones flooded in from South Carolina and Georgia, all found by just four people. I wonder why. The trouble with the Dare Stones is that the original Dare Stone has never been conclusively demonstrated to be either a hoax or genuine. The first stone was discovered, as we learned from America Unearthed, across the river from the site of an Elizabethan fort (planned but likely never constructed or at least not finished), one whose location was erased from an old map and only recently discovered. Excavations reported last summer found English artifacts at the site, suggesting that some Roanoke colonists may have fled to the fort.
The Vieira brothers have no expertise in early American history, in dating archaeological artifacts, or anything related to this subject. But the show says that because they are stoneworkers, this gives them special insight into the Dare Stones, something like the way a farrier has special insight into veterinary medicine. Indeed, one of the first things Jim Vieira is heard to say on the show is that he is “objective” because he is not an academic and doesn’t have to worry about “losing tenure.” This is the same argument Scott Wolter made for why he was particularly qualified to declare the Dare Stones authentic back in 2013! This special, Roanoke: Search for the Lost Colony, differs from America Unearthed in that it has more elaborate historical reenactments depicting early investigations into the Dare Stones, complete with laughable dialogue full of ponderous pomposity and (my favorite) misidentification of late sixteenth century language as “Old English.” The reenactments are shot in the style of film noir thriller (complete with hard-boiled voice-overs and furtive glances from shifty figures—“They said I should have submitted it for peer-review” an actor playing Pearce snarls menacingly), and they are clearly designed to imply that there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth. I can’t stress how ridiculously overwrought the reenactments are. Just for the record: The reenactments are also deceptive. They cast Haywood Pearce, Jr., a professor of American history at Emory University, as their tragic hero. They wrongly have him claim he wished he had published a peer-reviewed article on the stones (or at least that’s how I interpreted the admittedly ambiguous ranting). He in fact published one in 1938 in the Journal of Southern History. They also imply at the end of the show that Pearce was ruined by academics’ refusal to accept the stones (“I am finished,” he types) and that he was ready to kill himself over them. In fact, in 1941 Pearce openly admitted to newspapers that he had been duped by a forger, though his academic career did not continue its upward trajectory after conceding such a lapse. After World War II, he left academia. He died 30 years later, in 1971. The recreations and the examination of the Dare Stones were filmed in Gainesville, Georgia, with production rebates and tax incentives provided by the state of Georgia through its film bureau. (So much for any government conspiracy!) The stones are housed in Brenau University, where Pearce’s father deposited them, and which cooperated in the filming. (So much for an academic conspiracy to suppress the truth!) The Vieira brothers view the Dare Stones and have some technicians scan the stones. The narrator says that the “laborious process” takes “several hours,” so they can’t be bothered stick around and will drop back in later to see if a blow up of the rocks can indicate how old they are. This is the same thing Scott Wolter did back in 2013, albeit with a less expensive microscope. The brothers also try carving their own fake Dare Stones, but they become too frustrated by how long it takes to carve the stones. Therefore, they give up on etching the stones with chisels and instead opt for power drills. There seems to be a theme of impatience. When the scans are done, they find evidence of drilling in the later Dare Stones, but they find no evidence of drilling in the first Dare Stone, the only one some have claimed is authentic. However, their analysis only confirms that the first Dare Stone was carved more carefully and with an iron chisel. This does not prove it is authentic, however. Chisels could have been used at any time. The Vieira brothers recognize this, so they ask a Shakespearean scholar, Dr. Kevin Quarmby, to look for evidence of a hoax in the language used on the stone. The expert determines that a “ye” with a superscript “e” on the stone means “the” rather than “you” (“ye” without the superscript) and Quarmby says that only a “magnificent” hoaxer would know the difference. I have no idea what he means by that. I know that “ye” was an abbreviation for “the” back then. Knowledge of this was not rare in the 1920s and 1930s; H. P. Lovecraft makes use of the superscript “e” version of “ye” (technically a printer’s substitution for an obsolete thorn and e) in his faux-antique English texts in The Case of Charles Dexter Ward (1927). It requires no obscure knowledge, only a careful modeling on genuine texts. In fact, I checked some texts printed in the late 1800s and early 1900s that reported Elizabethan texts, and nearly all of them carefully distinguish between “thorn-superscript e” and the pronoun “ye.” In short, the professor is full of it and has a terribly low opinion of people in the early twentieth century. The Vieira brothers, however, conclude that this makes it likely that the stone is genuine. After this embarrassment, the Vieira brothers try to find the spot where the first Dare Stone was allegedly uncovered in North Carolina. At the site they identify as the location, the brothers use ground penetrating radar to try to find a Native village and Elizabethan artifacts to prove that Eleanor Dare was there. Most archaeologists believe that the Roanoke colonists decamped to Croatoan, a nearby island now called Hatteras, where they lived with the Native peoples. Artifacts likely belonging to the colonists have been found there, but the Vieira brothers are hoping to find a different site. Contract archaeologists dig some test pits in a field and find nothing. They found pottery shards a ways away, at the river, and they also found a fragment of English ceramics. The question, though, is the date on these artifacts since English occupation lasted for centuries. Was the ceramic piece made before 1600? Nope. At the very end, they admit that the pottery wasn’t old enough. Nevertheless, they conclude that there was little chance that anyone would have managed to hoax a stone at a site that would turn out to be Native American and across the river from an Elizabethan site. So, this program is something of a mixed bag. It takes people who aren’t experts in any relevant subject and imbues them with spurious authority, freely mixes genuine archaeology with specious argument, and wraps the whole thing in a sneering bout of emotional manipulation about “peer-review,” “tenure,” and the “right” to challenge all-powerful ACADEMICS. If cable producers would drop the language of victimization and the glorification of ignorant amateurs, they might have something more interesting to talk about.
74 Comments
Bob Jase
10/27/2015 11:35:39 am
Would you want two people completely ignorant of the basics fix your car? No. How about the plane you'll be flying in? No. Work on designing your website? No.
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Shane Sullivan
10/27/2015 01:10:23 pm
You mean after all that, they didn't even find giant Roanokepudlians?
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Clete
10/27/2015 01:26:46 pm
I didn't see the show, only remember some promos for it. Thank you for your review, it sounds awful. I guess, however, it's a step up from Scott Wolter telling someone who had been excavating the site of the colony for the last twelve years that he was completely wrong. The Dare Stone was real. I mean Scott Wolter had looked at it for all of thirty-six seconds. I mean, this from a man, who has made himself an expert in a variety disciplines such as geology, ancient runes, ancient languages, population movements. How could anyone doubt his conclusions. After all "Everything you know about history is wrong."
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Steve StC
10/28/2015 11:58:24 pm
Clete posited, "Thank you for your review, it sounds awful."
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BSL
10/29/2015 03:27:01 am
And what did you think of the show?
The troll Krampus
10/29/2015 10:56:18 am
I agree with you on this Steve. Jason is to some the authority on the fringe. This blog, to them, is like the morning paper.
Ryan
1/19/2016 05:20:32 pm
I was pretty disappointed with the conclusion (?) of the show, and reflecting upon it, I wonder why they even needed the Vieiras. However, because of my interest in this particular mystery, I did find a lot of the show intriguing.
Tara
5/8/2017 11:50:23 am
To add onto what the commenter Ryan said about the "Old English" designation applied to the stone, the actual investigators (both the stone masons and professional academics) in this show did NOT claim the stone's writing was old English. That was a line taken from the reenactment of Pearce first looking at the stone when it was brought to the University. It's a first-glance description given by Pearce. I find that deceptive to use here in this blog as a way to demean the show's credibility. A big reach looking for examples to scoff at.
spookyparadigm
10/27/2015 02:51:38 pm
Was the CRM firm named in the show?
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spookyparadigm
10/27/2015 03:05:25 pm
Here is Brenau University's news piece on the matter
spookyparadigm
10/27/2015 03:06:43 pm
And their primary page, which is interesting in several ways
Pam
10/27/2015 08:57:36 pm
Spookyparadigm:
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Yo yo
10/27/2015 08:59:57 pm
Pray for your answer
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Pam
10/27/2015 09:03:54 pm
You again *sigh *
Yo yo
10/27/2015 09:08:35 pm
That was a bastard insult from a Bible Basher
Pam
10/27/2015 09:17:55 pm
You're right, that was rather awful of me. I'll have a mass said for you instead.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 09:20:17 pm
Didn't you know? Jesus was an illegitimate offspring of Mary and a Roman centurion. If you don't want to believe that, Jesus was a Magic Mushroom.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 09:26:16 pm
Actually, there are no mushrooms in the Bible. John Marco Allegro got that wrong.
Pam
10/27/2015 09:26:27 pm
Sweetie, It's not the first time I've heard such things. If you're trying to upset someone with such things you need to find a fundamentalist.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 09:29:50 pm
Nothing affects faith. Not even a mountain.
V
10/28/2015 01:17:22 am
Kuso shite shine, kisama.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/27/2015 09:52:11 pm
Useful answer, Pam - the available lab facilities depend very largely on the university. For smaller schools, even STEM departments may have very rudimentary lab facilities at best. That's obviously not true at major research institutions, but in this case it may be that private firms are the only answer they have for testing.
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Pam
10/27/2015 10:16:28 pm
Thank you for the explanation and it was useful.I thought it odd , but lack of funding sometimes requires creative solutions. I do still think the production company involvement is strange. :)
miller
10/28/2015 01:52:21 pm
I was raised in the area where they say the stone was found and there is no stones native to the area. Where was the stone suppose to have come from. Years after the lost colony, ships that came into the area dropped on stones that had been used to balance the loads. Those stones where not there at the time of the lost colony.
Uncle Ron
10/28/2015 07:51:39 pm
Pam-
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Pam
10/28/2015 08:30:04 pm
I know. ..I just had a weak moment, Uncle Ron. :)
The troll Krampus
10/29/2015 11:03:40 am
RRROOOOOOAAAARRRRRRRR!
Yo yo
10/27/2015 09:07:36 pm
You know what you can do with your candles
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Only Me
10/27/2015 09:56:44 pm
You remind me of a jellyfish, stranded on the beach and being poked with sticks by curious children. That makes me feel sad.
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Yo yo
10/27/2015 10:07:06 pm
You remind me of a believer in Bible stories
Only Me
10/27/2015 10:21:35 pm
You remind me of a moron. Too bad your four decades of reading books did nothing for you. Then again, coloring books weren't meant for educational purposes.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 10:22:20 pm
Read your Bible
Only Me
10/27/2015 10:24:09 pm
Read an actual book that doesn't require crayons.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 10:25:32 pm
Doesn't require brains either
Only Me
10/27/2015 10:30:17 pm
Apparently not, if your claims are anything to go by.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 10:34:34 pm
Maximilien Robespierre
Yo yo
10/27/2015 10:44:09 pm
It beggars belief that there are books out there published by religious fundamentalists who go out of their way to discuss things that are being suppressed on this blog.
Only Me
10/27/2015 10:57:13 pm
Part of a quote from you on another blog:
Yo yo
10/27/2015 11:03:24 pm
Of course the Jesuit website would say the French Revolution was a "failure". The point is that the world outside of this blog acknowledges the existence of the historical place of Freemasonry within society. Try telling the British that Freemasonry is not important, the Grand Master is only the Duke of Kent.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 11:11:43 pm
The point is this: the authentic history of Freemasonry bears absolutely no relation to the fanciful and romantic conspiracy theories about it, and the silliness behind associating it with the Jesus Christ - Mary Magdalene bloodline, and to take literally its degrees and mythical beliefs (it's laughable).
Only Me
10/27/2015 11:22:21 pm
If the revolution, whether backed by Freemasonry or not, was to get rid of religion as part of its goals, then it did fail.
Steve StC
10/29/2015 12:02:51 am
Only Me, admit it... Like the jelly fish, you yearn to the poked by that stick, don't you? You are among like-minded folk here.
Only Me
10/29/2015 10:55:08 am
I say to you, Steve,
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/29/2015 11:31:42 am
Wasp? No. Dung beetle, endlessly peddling crap and hoping desperately someone finds it interesting enough to interact.
Amie
9/22/2016 02:36:01 am
I love this response!
V
10/28/2015 01:16:24 am
We didn't need to know about your weird kinks, buddy. Go to PornHub for that.
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DaveR
10/29/2015 12:30:35 pm
That might be too weird even for PornHub.
Yo yo
10/27/2015 10:24:50 pm
Doesn't require brains either
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tm
10/27/2015 11:52:02 pm
In this reincarnation you even took a clown name. Yawn...
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silverfish
10/28/2015 02:00:26 am
Yo Yo, what are the chances you could move on to another website or blog to make your insipid comments and let us enjoy the thoughtful discourse that we get from this one? Honest question...what do you get out of acting like a child online to strangers?
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killbuck
10/27/2015 10:45:16 pm
As an exercise in tv drama, the Dare Stones were subjected to analysis, even though the stones were determined hoaxes back in the 40s (with, yes, the possible exception of the first stone) I suppose at least a good way to fill time.
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Diggity
10/27/2015 11:23:42 pm
I am waiting for the time when one of the reenactment's on these shows is of a previous History channel program haha.
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John
10/28/2015 09:23:10 am
when I heard that "objective" comment as in "we are just stonecutters with no dog in the fight..." I then googled the people and found they were fringe enthusiasts who had their own show. I immediately lost interest in the show. Their cohort Willard has not even written a book about Roanoke even though many have been written, at least five in the last ten or so years.
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DaveR
10/28/2015 09:39:29 am
Another program with hosts who have little or no experience regarding the things their "investigating." Why do people watch this garbage? They're stone carvers, so they should be able to correctly interpret and age some stone grave markers. Yup. I would much rather watch a program with hosts who have expertise regarding the subject matter. I would not expect a clam digger be a good host for a program on marine biology.
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Pam
10/28/2015 01:14:58 pm
They'd just come back as zombies...:)
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Clete
10/28/2015 01:25:15 pm
What do you mean "come back as zombies". They all ready are.
Pam
10/28/2015 08:34:58 pm
Oh, that explains the the brainless programming! :)
Shannon
10/29/2015 10:34:42 am
“ye” with a superscript “e” is the new hooked X
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Tommy
10/30/2015 03:30:51 am
I just watched the show. I HATE to admit, but I watched the stupid giants show with these 2 boneheads too. I will admit, the 10 minutes I've spent reading the synopsis, and especially the comments here, was more enjoyable. Even tho you guys tell him to take a hike, the bible thumper made me giggle a couple times. I'm bookmarking Jason's page, and will be back.
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Rick
11/1/2015 09:20:35 am
I haven't been on here in months but I don't get to read 3 posts before I see Stc on here with posts. I'm embarrassed for him. Ignorance and a keyboard to hide behind are bliss.
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When my family and I went to Jamestown several years ago we heard a very strange thing in one of the presentations there. The intro to the film we were to watch was given by a woman who mentioned the Roanoke "mystery". She said there was no mystery. It was well known (by whom I don't remember) that the colonists went with one of the local tribes. They lived with the tribe for 20 years until the arrival of the Jamestown settlers. Once the native Americans realized that there would be more settlers coming, they killed the ones living with them. I thought this was quite odd; I mean why would they wait for 20 years to kill them. Still, that's what they tell you at Jamestown.
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Necko
11/1/2015 07:27:20 pm
I love this site. Kelvin Sampson, coach of Huston Cougars, was a guest lecture in a history class in the 80's. He stated his tribe, Lumbee of North Carolina, assimilated with the Roanoke settlement and their cultural and genetic mingling produced on of the highest educated Indian populace with more PhD's and other higher designations. He stated a majority of the last names are "Old English". He stated that actress Heather Lockyear related to the tribe. Fuel for thought.
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11/1/2015 09:50:55 pm
I'm watching the show very skeptically. The <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ego/iammagi/dare_writ_on_rocke.htm">Satevepost</a> article puts strong emphasis on the purely linguistic evidence. In summary: the letter shapes are wrong for the period, the spelling is much too consistent, several words supposedly appear on the stones long before they are found in any other English document (per the OED and the Dictionary of Early Modern English). See the end of the section "Stones and Science" and the beginning of the section "Elizabethan Spellers". So already in 1941 <i>all</i> the stones are clearly shown to be forgeries on their faces.
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Bryan Mason
1/10/2016 03:49:17 pm
I guess I am wondering why someone who has no expertise or degrees or "authority" in either archaeology or history feels he is able to criticize others for looking into historical mysteries simply because they don't possess those same degrees the author of this blog is lacking?
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Karen Kolbinsky
2/4/2016 05:47:57 pm
Guess all I just wrote was lost because I missed this. Anyway, there are so many interesting comments here. I agree with most of what you say concerning the legitimacy of the brothers who run around the country doing research for one reason or another. They focus on the most sensational (and sometimes bizarre) subjects to determine if there is anything to rumors.
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Wdsta1
6/2/2016 02:52:13 pm
Useless are your eyes'
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James r Toney
6/16/2016 09:37:05 pm
Your all over educated idiots who despise the word of God and that America was founded by lost tribe mannassa of ten lost tribes out of Ephraim Britain common wealth of nations read Jacobs blessings in Egypt of all tribes
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patrick nevin
10/2/2016 06:19:57 pm
Look up Dr Kevin Quarmby, it just so happens he's a english shakespearen actor. Whole show fake
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Rachon Ward
3/27/2017 07:52:13 pm
Anything that gets people mainly children interested in History and gets them investigating further, reading more and studying instead of spending all of their time playing video games, is a good thing,so look at the positives and quit being so negative!
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@Bimmerella
3/28/2017 12:29:14 am
THANK U! I'm getting sick to death of pseudo science & conspiracy theory becoming mainstream. Have you seen 'What on Earth?' Yet another steaming pile of conspiracy loon wrapped in pseudo science crap! I was glad to see this after watching, laughing & then facepalming my way thru the Roanoke mystery <eyes rolling>
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sadly disappointws
5/7/2017 11:52:11 pm
what a load of bullshit ....
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