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Review of Search for the Lost Giants S01E06 "The Moment of Truth"

12/10/2014

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It’s hard to believe that we’ve already reached the season finale of Search for the Lost Giants, but since the show loses viewers each week (down to just 1.4 million last week, with only 400,000 under the age of 50, fumbling 1.1 million Curse of Oak Island lead in viewers, most of whom were under 50), perhaps it is for the best. In just six episodes, the show has managed to achieve the same types of ethical issues it took America Unearthed thirteen episodes to rack up: The show has intentionally distorted or fabricated evidence, selectively edited “experts” to make them seem to support the show’s claims, made wild leaps of logic, and, finally, garnered a roster of unhappy interviewees who feel that the show lied to them and misrepresented them. The Catalina Island Museum posted on their blog last week that after all the attention the show brought to their museum they needed to reiterate that Ralph Glidden, whose work the show profiled, produced a great deal of fiction masquerading as fact. Further, Terje Dahl, the gigantologist, admitted that the show distorted his views and engaged him from his sick bed to fabricate scenes for the show with “evidence” he had never seen but pretended to know. 
But that pales before the revelation that archaeologist Steven Mrozowski, who appeared in Episode 3 to evaluate the Goshen Mystery Tunnel for potential excavation, didn’t know he would be on a show about giants, and is upset that footage of him was manipulated into making him appear to support the existence of a lost race of giants. On the Fiske Center blog last week Mrozowski wrote about his experiences:
I was surprised and disappointed to see my appearance on the History Channel’s Search for the Lost Giants, Episode 3, used in a manner that appeared to give credence to a long-discredited theory concerning giants. Who said anything about giants?  I thought I was being asked to inspect the Goshen tunnel and to offer my opinion concerning who may have built it or what it was used for.  The site was very interesting.
He went on to reaffirm a point I’ve often made, which is that the search for giants is closely related to nineteenth century racist efforts to deny Native Americans their own heritage, and he came pretty close to calling Search for the Lost Giants a racist show by asserting that it continues the trend of denying Native Americans their own culture’s accomplishments. Pointedly, he does not appear in this episode, about the excavation.

We open Search for the Lost Giants S01E06 “Moment of Truth” with a reprise of Genesis 6:4 in order to reinforce the Biblical basis for the hunt for slightly oversized human beings. The show uses the King James translation because it’s out of copyright.

After the opening credits, we are at the Goshen Mystery Tunnel, which has served as the connecting tissue for the first season of the show. A UMass archaeology team is planning to excavate in search of a small chamber that Jim and Bill Vieira think might have a giant’s skeleton within for reasons they never made clear. It seems to be related to the idea that “giant” skeletons came from Native American burial mounds and tombs; therefore, any tomb could be that of a giant. The logic escapes me, frankly, since there is no evidence that the miniature tunnel—just two feet tall—has any relationship to giants.

The archaeology team starts to dig, but this is boring, so we take off. In a very brief aside, the narrator admits that a “giant tooth” found in a cave in the Ozarks several episodes back was “not that of a hominid.” In short, it’s the animal tooth I guessed it was. This is buried amidst a cavalcade of “evidence” from old newspapers, and the Vieira brothers then have a Face Time session with L. A. Marzulli, the Nephilim researcher who earlier this year accused Jim Vieira of fundamental dishonesty for not giving him credit for “discovering” Ralph Glidden’s photograph of an alleged giant in what would become Episode 3. Marzulli got over his outrage and is now on the History Channel, all the better to promote himself and his line of overpriced DVDs—which are conveniently promoted on screen below his name. Marzulli is a Nephilim researcher and a Biblical literalist. The show gives Marzulli a chance to claim credit for finding the photograph, which he claims depicts that of a giant humanoid. Marzulli says he had the photograph analyzed, and I described the analysis here. As I said at the time, the analysis is dependent on assuming no forced perspective and assuming that the skeleton is in fact that of a real human being and not a staged fake, like so much of Glidden’s material. Marzulli explains that this skeleton is proof of the Nephilim of Genesis 6:4 because it is tall. By that logic, that would make the NBA the most important proof of the Nephilim theory in the world.

Jim Vieira says that he disagrees and that the Nephilim are a memory of interbreeding between what the narrator calls “two species of early man.” The show attempts to tie this to the Denisovan humans, whom it suggests are the progenitors of “giant” humans.

This segment seems to be an apology to Marzulli.

Jim Vieira and Ancient Aliens guest Hugh Newman plan to go in search of Benjamin Bucklin, a colonist killed at Nine Men’s Misery near Cumberland, Rhode Island, to whom was attributed gigantic stature and double rows of teeth. I investigated this story on November 21 and was able to determine that Jim Vieira is completely wrong about this. You can read all of the details here, but the short form is this: Bucklin’s body was exhumed in the late 1700s or early 1800s. A chronicler, John Daggett, wrote in 1830 (but published in 1834) that the body had “the remarkable circumstance of a set of double front teeth.” Daggett said nothing about him being a giant. A doctor who attended the exhumation confirmed the accuracy of Daggett’s account in 1836, in a letter published in a later edition of Daggett’s book. However, that same year Leonard Bliss wrote his own version from secondhand sources, primarily Daggett, who expanded Bucklin’s measurements. Now we hear him identified by “his very large frame, and from a set of double teeth all around.” The latter probably referred to his teeth being worn down, not actually in two rows, in keeping with standard use of the “double teeth all around” phrase at the time. Nevertheless, five decades later, a reporter for the Providence Journal mistook the “large frame” for “extraordinary size,” transforming a robust man into a giant. This game of telephone is what created the legend of Benjamin Bucklin, double-toothed giant. 

Vieira quotes from the Providence Journal of January 20, 1886 I just reference above and which I have posted in my earlier article, but he attributes this text to 1820, seemingly identifying he alleged year of disinterment with the year of the article’s publication. The Journal article was based on Bliss and Daggett and written 50 years after those accounts, which mentioned no giant. Vieira chooses the worst possible source to use to spin his web of confusion.

Back at Goshen, the archaeologists continue to dig in search of the “hypothetical side tunnel.” Because this is boring, the narrator randomly asks whether large ancient hand axes found in South Africa in 2006 belonged to giants rather than normal people. After this, the archaeologists find a colonial era brass button.

Back in Rhode Island, Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman visit Bob Billington, director of the local tourism bureau. Billington known nothing about Benjamin Bucklin, whom Vieira describes without evidence as a “dude [who] must’ve been pushin’ eight feet.” No source suggests anything like that. Billington tells Vieira that the remains of the colonists killed at Nine Men’s Misery were disinterred in the 1920s by the Cistercians, who wanted unconsecrated burials off their land. The narrator demands to know if the monks were trying to purge their land of Nephilim.

After the break, we’re back at Goshen, where archaeologists found a builder’s trench over the known tunnel. An archaeologist tells the Vieira brothers that the tunnel was built on unplowed land, though what this is meant to tell us I can’t say. All it says is that the land hadn’t first been a farm. The narrator, though, goes beyond the Vieira brothers in his enthusiasm for the racist idea that it has something to do with the “mound building culture” of the lost race of giants, a culture that of course would deprive Native Americans of agency in their own cultural accomplishments. I didn’t think it was possible, but the producers’ insistence on having the narrator give voice to nineteenth century racist views makes the Vieira brothers—who want to attribute the site to Native American builders—seem sober and reasonable compared to the ignorant and somewhat racist narration.

In Rhode Island, Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman review articles about the reburial of the “giant” bones in the 1920s and spin conspiracy theories about the burial.

We go to commercial, and History promotes its “epic” two-night found-footage event about the Biblical end of the world, Revelation: End of Days, which takes the form of a badly-acted TV movie with poor special effects. It fits right in with Search for the Lost Giants and the network’s other appeals to the biblically literal.

After the break, Billington tells Vieira and Newman that the “giant” remains were reburied yet again in 1976, on the three hundredth anniversary of the massacre at Nine Men’s Misery. The men go off into the woods to look at the grave marker. The men are disappointed that they can’t rob the grave, and they ask Billington how they can get permission to break open the grave. Billington says he’ll try to get the authorities to authorize a disinterment.

In Goshen the archaeologists have dug trenches over the hypothesized side chamber. After the break team leader Kerry Lynch tells the Vieira brothers that there is no evidence of a side tunnel. Lynch says she found a piece of colonial glass and a nail. The tunnel, she concludes, was eighteenth century—a colonial construction, just like I assumed on construction style. Lynch, though, isn’t sure why the builders buried sand in the soil. Bill Vieira wonders whether the builders tunneled up to build a side tunnel from below. The brothers don’t want to take facts for an answer, so Bill Vieira decides that they need to keep digging to prove the existence of the tunnel. Jim Vieira, though, doesn’t want to conduct an amateur dig, so Bill Viera decides to stick a camera through the “zipper” seam in the tunnel wall—which he could have done back in episode one and saved us all six episodes of trouble.

Bill Vieira tries to thread the camera into the zipper seam but finds that the stones are too well-fitted to allow easy passage. After finding a spot to send in the camera, the men look through to the space beyond the wall and find a small cavity with another wall behind it, but no skeleton of a giant. But because the show has gradually lowered expectations over the course of six episodes, merely sending a camera through a hole in the wall and finding a small opening and a second wall is a triumph—even though the tunnel is (a) a colonial construction and (b) has no evidence whatsoever of anything to do with giants, ancient or otherwise.

As this season grinds to a close, Billington calls Jim Vieira back to tell him that he’ll call some officials to see if they might be willing to allow the grave to be disturbed for Vieira’s ignorant interest. Frequent show guest Todd Disotell makes a return appearance to tell Vieira (humorously) that “your journey is a lot like science” (just not scientific in any way), and Vieira tells Disotell about Bucklin’s skull. He asks Disotell if he will examine the skull should Vieira get permission to open the grave, and Disotell agrees. I want to repeat that the literary evidence provides no support for Vieira’s claims, and a plain reading of the primary sources is prima facie proof that the grave should remain undisturbed so that the men within can remain free from turning into an exhibit in the History Channel’s traveling circus.

On the other hand, it might be worth disturbing Bucklin, if only to show Jim Vieira how shoddy his research is, and how shallow his giant theories. Somehow, though, I fear that even Bucklin’s skull with its odd front teeth and normal proportions will do nothing to deter the search for giants. There is always another newspaper story to “investigate,” another myth to promote as fact.

With that, this season of Search for the Lost Giants draws to a close, with nothing resolved and the Goshen Mystery Tunnel and the Bucklin skull held out as ongoing threads for a threatened second season of ignorance, misinformation, and obsession. 
76 Comments
Scott Hamilton
12/10/2014 04:04:25 am

The whole series seems so pointless. I wonder, would the Viera say that the things they "investigated" for TV are the best evidence for giants? If not, why not use the best evidence? Too expensive? Can't be because they would be less interesting in a visual medium, because frankly not much could be less interesting than this show.

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Manfred
12/17/2014 09:37:29 am

A whole season and we end up with a tunnel and a burial they want to dig up. The first part of the season they touted that there were too many newspaper stories to ignore, around 1500. So the spend a whole season and they are ready to dig up a grave or multiple graves just in a hunch. And I'm sure they will pursue that for (shudder) next season. I would be ticked if I were a relative of bucklin and these stonemasons show up wanting to dig my ancestors grave up. It's hard to understand why out of 1500 stories they are focused on this one. But now that I think of it, it's the only grave they found all year so I guess they are all in.

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Only Me
12/10/2014 05:00:36 am

I wonder if shows like this one can be considered a commercial success. How could it be, if it is consistently losing viewers?

On a side note, thanks to Curse of Oak Island, I'm now more convinced than ever that H/H2 has a standard list of guests to make appearances. Last night, it was Kathleen McGowan Coppens talking about the Knights Templar. Next week, it will be Alan Butler.

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Titus pullo link
12/10/2014 07:48:36 am

I thought I had America unearthed on instead of oak island. You have to be kidding me it's the divinci code crap again. I'm losing respect for Marty, how much are you getting paid for this crap? There is no treasure, it's an island built in limestone.

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Ragnar
12/11/2014 03:54:19 am

There are some genuine mysteries associated with Oak Island. Oak trees where they aren't found being one. Finding cocoanut fibers that to date back to the 1700's is another.

There have been some famous people who were convinced enough that something was buried there to take part in operations seeking to discover what's below the ground. People like Franklin Roosevelt, John Wayne, you know, losers like that.

I'm very skeptical of the Templar treasure and the Ark of the Covenant angle. But given what's been unearthed recently, the remains of what could be a wooden vault at depths that no one has successfully explored, there could be treasure there.

Of all the shows on History, this one is at least promising. I don't place the brothers, the Laguina's in the same class as the Viera's or AU's Templar seeker.

Mark L
12/12/2014 12:29:00 am

You're using the interest of famed scientist John Wayne to back up your case? Do you even realise how stupid that sounds?

Rob
12/12/2014 04:05:41 am

@Ragnar: celebrities are no more immune to fantasy that us "normals". In fact, I'd suggest they are more vulnerable as they are likely to be sought out by con artists. http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/sir-sammy-con-artist-knights

K Rea
2/1/2015 08:54:55 am

I'll be honest, most of what I saw was questionable but I liked the show because of the HD scenic views with a slim chance of finding something about giants. I watch Moonshiners and Appalachian Outlaws because of the camera work also.
I have another idea why viewership has slipped. For some reason after the 3rd episode my Dishnetwork DVR stopped recording the show. Its possible the network changed the shows name or credits slightly and my dvr didn't recognize it or something. I assumed there weren't any new shows until now when I started looking on Google.
The tooth they found really tipped me off to this show being pretty weak. Finding a tooth and assuming its a giant? And if they thought it was a giant's tooth, why leave the site? I would've scoured it for days.
Oh well, I will watch the show as long as they go to cool woodsy scenic sights and film it in HD.

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Andy White
12/10/2014 05:44:22 am

Search for the Lost Viewers . . . maybe my feeling that these shows are having an impact on public opinion was misplaced. I've asked many of my classes this semester if anyone is watching "Search for the Lost Giants," and no hands go up.

http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/why-archaeologists-should-engage-with-fringe-notions-about-the-human-past

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Jason Colavito link
12/10/2014 05:59:10 am

I think it's more of an age issue. Getting one million adults over 50 (mostly men) is still a big deal, but young people aren't tuning in. Among 50+, this figure represents about 1% of all adults over 50, which is proportionally fairly impressive. If we presume that most viewers are male (typically 2/3), that's an even larger figure among men 50+.

But just 400,000 under-49 viewers against 127 million adults 18-49, that's just a rounding error in terms of ratings. No wonder you can't find any students who've seen it!

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Andy White
12/10/2014 06:04:01 am

It is surprising to me (but kind of heartening) how little appeal the show has to that demographic. The vast majority of the 150 or so undergraduate students in my classes are in their 20s, and I don't recall a single person saying he or she was watching this program.

EP
12/10/2014 07:28:44 am

In my opinion, the declining ratings have less to do with people not being receptive to these ideas and more to do with this particular show being dumb and terrible. Largely because of the uninspired hosts. Scott Wolter's early success has as much to do with his enthusiasm and charisma as it does with people being open to the ideas he promotes.

Matt Mc
12/10/2014 09:15:16 am

I fully agree with EP, the Vieria brothers are painful to watch and have no screen appeal at all. Whenever Jim is on screen I find both his voice grating and I cannot keep thinking that he looks like a stand in for Ron Pearlman.

Charisma from the host goes a long way on TV shows and without it even the most compelling topics will fall flat. (not saying the quest for giants is compelling at all)

Cooper link
10/28/2018 02:28:56 am

What the hell put it back on no matter how many views

Kevin
12/20/2014 03:46:35 pm

So Andy White is wondering why none of his students are watching "Search for the lost giants"? Lol. College students not watching this show is no surprise. While I agree the show is lacking credibility and or progress, I would not ask an anthropology class if they were watching ANY of these shows nor would I draw any marketing ideas from a lack of raised hands.

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Clete
12/10/2014 07:22:40 am

I'm always surprised by the History Channel and it's bastard offspring H2. It's prime time lineup can be summed up as simply quasi-reality crap, badly made and researched "historical" programs (with rare exceptions, such as the Hatfields and McCoys, but that is a program they purchased from Kevin Costners production company) and fringe history shows such as Ancient Aliens, Curse of Oak Island, Search for lost Giants and America Unearthered. I watch some of these show simply because there is little else on and I can read only so much and most of the other channels are no better (and many times a lot worse).

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John link
12/10/2014 09:47:14 am

The way they present Ancient Aliens in the intro for the show is almost as if it were a fact that they came here. It's ridiculous. I'm glad Jason Colavito shed some light on some of these things about this show. I was actually watching it thinking wow finally some potential leads to evidence for these legends. History Channel needs to keep it's main channel with stuff that is strictly historically factual. However I do think these programs are interesting. They should create a separate channel for them. Perhaps call it Legendary History (LH) because they are legends that might be true but we just don't know.

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EP
12/10/2014 09:59:50 am

John, would you say that the legend of Santa Claus "might be true but we just don't know"? Because what these people are proposing is often no more likely to turn out to be true.

Besides, OF COURSE you know that aliens never interbred with ancient humans, giants never ruled over America, and Templars are not protecting the Jesus bloodline to this day! Unless, that is, you are a general skeptic (the kind who thinks that we "might" be living in the Matrix)...

Rob
12/12/2014 04:15:13 am

Well of course aliens never interbred with ancient humans, they are not genetically compatible. Bigfoot, on the other hand, ...

Dnym
9/13/2015 04:38:02 am

Funny how people nowadays know it all. You only know what you've been told or seen with your own eyes. There isn't one single person alive that knows what has or hasnt happened in the last 4 BILLION YEARS that this earth has been spinning. So dont pretend to know aliens didnt mate with early humans or that santa claus is jesus's brother or whatever crazy idea may have or have not happened. YOU dont know!

Shane Sullivan
12/10/2014 07:23:54 am

Second-to-last paragraph:

"Somehow, though, I fear that even Bucklin’s skull with its odd front teeth and normal proportions will do anything to deter the search for giants."

I think that's supposed to say "I doubt", or "won't do anything".

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EP
12/10/2014 07:25:54 am

The latter, I'm sure. A textbook example of Colavitonian irony :)

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John link
12/10/2014 09:52:00 am

There's nothing wrong with searching for giants. Why should we ever hope that people are deterred from trying to make a discovery unless that discovery will cause more harm than good. What is wrong is deceptive programming on a channel that is supposed to be about the historical record. If you're going to do a show about giants don't mislead me.

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EP
12/10/2014 10:01:44 am

Searching for giants is a dumb waste of everyone's time. Just like searching for poltergeists or the Loch Ness monster. That's what's wrong with it.

Matt Mc
12/10/2014 10:51:52 am

EP I will disagree with the Loch Ness part, I think the River Monsters episode on the search for Nessie was quite compelling and a great watch. For me it was quite refreshing to see someone look into the myth in a very practical and scientific manner and in my mind provided a very reasonable explanation of what could be behind the sighting at Loch Ness. As a bonus were Wolter pretends to get his hands dirty, Jeremy Wade really does.

EP
12/10/2014 10:59:10 am

That's why I spoke of looking for the Loch Ness Monster, not looking for an explanation of its purported sightings. If we don't make this distinction, then Jason himself could be described as "looking for" ancient aliens, giants, and the rest :)

Matt Mc
12/10/2014 11:06:25 am

Okay fair enough, I get where you are going and for the second time today I agree.

Now I just need to break the cameras out and make a show called "Searching for Shaq: A quest for a modern day giant". I can interview his dentist hoping to find clues that Shaq indeed has two rows of teeth

EP
12/10/2014 11:12:05 am

Someone should make a show where stupid, fame-hungry fringe nutjobs get punk'd, Borat-style. For real.

Matt Mc
12/10/2014 11:16:46 am

I think The Vieria brothers Giants show does that quite well already and last weeks Wolter in costume bit hit the mark as well.

James
1/26/2016 04:43:01 pm

I will tell you John, that nothing on the episode I was involved with (A photo, a tooth...) was "deceptive". I WAS dissappointed that the network did not disclose on the show that the tooth we found was that of a Bison. A far as any so called "deception" regarding the tooth, we all looked at the tooth and compared it to what animal teeth you would expect in the area: deer, canine, cows, horses, etc.and it did not lok at all like any of those animals. As a matter of fact it looked exactly, to we lay persons loking at pictures on the net, like a large human tooth. Hence our excitement. The article that we found at the local library in Steelville was written by a well respected reporter from the St Louis Post Dispatch. The photograph of the large skeleton was just that, a photo. Several people in the town remembered hearing about the skeleton, several people confirmed the original players like Dr. Parker and the two brothers who found the skeleton. Upon arrival in the cave, there was indeed a large depression in the exact area where the article described the skeleton as beinig found. I have NO doubt that indeed a very large skeleton, almost 8 ft. in height, was found in that cave. But this one example certainly begs the larger question, was this find an anomoly or was it one of say hundreds or even thousands found in the 19th century and early 20th century. The answer to that question, cannot be found on the "internet", I assure you. I have spent dozens of hours in my local library tracking down reports of these skeletons found in my area in Missouri. One must remember that only a tiny fraction of newspaper reports are actually online and available for the casual viewer, however, if one is so inclined to suscribe to any major newspaper archive and search for "giants", "skeletons" as I have, they will be utterly astounded at the sheer volume of reports. I'm talking thousands of articles naming the most respected anthropologists, archeologists and scientists of the day. Thousands. Not hundreds. Did newspapers of the day also make reports of fairies? Yes, but NOT articles associated with scholars and academicians and certainly not thousands of articles. If you are truly interested, I would suggest you read The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America: The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up by Richard Dewhurst, a respected author and journalist. Then come to your own conclusion. I can assure that neither I nor Jim Veira are fanciful rubes who believe everything we read or every story we hear. My own conclusion that there is SOMETHING to these accounts are borne out by the work of many researchers much more dedicated than I. What little I have found at my local library has lent support to my assertions rather than given me a reason for more skepticism. One's opinion concerning this topic could not and should not be swayed by a television program, but rather an opinion should be formed after looking at ALL of the evidence, including the Smithsonian's own ethnology reports, and then deciding for oneself if the evidence has merit. Like so many other topics that seem to be divissive, I would caution anyone from rushing to judgement.

Suzanne Salt
12/10/2014 07:30:30 am

(De-cloaking) I'm hoping that most of the people who continue to watch these shows cannibalize each other do so for pure entertainment purposes only. Or because their blood pressure is too low. But I suppose that is just too naively optimistic. (Re-cloaking)

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Only Me
12/10/2014 07:39:51 am

If only these shows had entertainment value. They'd still be garbage, but at least I'd know they were *trying* to make me laugh.

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Eleanor Aquitaine
12/10/2014 10:06:12 am

(De-cloaking also) Toleration level for the giants series was about five minutes. I haven't watched a moment since the first episode. Stopped the DVR recordings of AU. Sanctimonious stupidity with zero entertainment level puts me in a coma. At least AA makes me laugh. I can always count on Giorgio's hair to give me a giggle. Now I only read your blog to catch up on the bizarre crap that's passing for history these days. Btw, I had Mystery of Oak Island on recently while wrapping Christmas gifts and saw Kathleen McGowan on it. Up until that point I had some respect for those two brothers. Too bad the producer of their show is dragging in the fringe. Maybe next week Scott Wolter will be offering the guys some advice. Those Hallmark Christmas movies are looking better all the time. (Re-cloaking)

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DTG
12/10/2014 10:45:24 am

Just out of curiosity, is there actually /anything/ to Oak Island? Beyond people digging there for supposed centuries is it generally established that there's something down there and that the flooding and such is due to some kind of crazy manmade canals or is it just more fringe sensationalism?

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EP
12/10/2014 11:09:17 am

It is not generally established that there is anything to it that can't be explained by natural geology (which, moreover, isn't unusual in that area).

It is literally just a bunch of stupid people mystified by a hole in the ground.

intelligentheating
12/13/2014 02:39:43 am

Well there have been a few minor finds. These are generally coins, tools etc. from the 18th Century. I think a couple of 17thC coins.
To be honest, these are all the types of object you would expect to find in this region of Canada.
French fur trappers were known to use Spanish coins for trading.
The British started settling the area, so finding 18th C British coins, is no different to finding Spanish coins in Florida.

So the items in themselves are interesting in the sense they are artifacts from a period of history we already know a fair bit about. They are interesting in that they provide a glimpse into this period of Canadian history, but they aren't exceptional finds!

As for Templar treasure etc. well no - that is obviously BS.

I was hoping the Laginas would dig down into the damn hole and prove once and for all it was a natural sink hole. This would have done a good job in dispelling all the nonsense about Henry Sinclair landing there etc.

So IMO the show started out promising, but has ended up derailed by American Unearthed style nonsense.

DTG
12/10/2014 10:43:47 am

Awful, just awful. Blast it, why can't they search for Dwarves, Leprechauns or Gnomes? Something sized-right for the Goshen Tunnel? At least then I'd be more interested to watch it if only for a few David the Gnome asides or something to that effect.

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Mark E.
12/10/2014 12:48:29 pm

"In Search of the Missing Gnomes", I like it. Forensic Gnomeology!

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EP
12/10/2014 01:04:39 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKkGqHCfCI

Chris S.
6/14/2015 10:33:05 pm

You mean Genocology?!? LOL

Forinasmuch
12/12/2014 11:38:01 am

It's called "Little Women LA and it's over on Lifetime.

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Ragnar
12/11/2014 03:17:42 am

These shows follow an unfortunate pattern. The producers, under the direction of Ken Birnes I'm guessing, misconstrue or distort any possible claim to sensationalize every wild claim in order to drum up viewers.

While I'm not convinced that there weren't some type of giants existing in antiquity, this show goes so off the rails that it's a disservice to those who genuinely want to learn more about them.

Todd Disotell, who is guess is History channels "go to guy" for DNA results, has shown he doesn't believe in anything by past comments. I'd be inclined to not trust his results.

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EP
12/11/2014 03:27:56 am

"Todd Disotell, who is guess is History channels "go to guy" for DNA results, has shown he doesn't believe in anything by past comments. I'd be inclined to not trust his results."

The man is a respected scientist, with a serious academic day job. He knows his genetics. If there ever was a time to defer to an expert's opinion while watching a History show, he's the guy.

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Ragnar
12/11/2014 03:25:37 am

I've got to say, the focus on Benjamin Bucklin, like the fixation on the Goshen mystery tunnel mystified me. Bucklin is obviously a colonial settler, not some giant from a race of giants. So why in the world make him the focus unless they were scraping the barrel looking for ideas which is likely the case here.

The Goshen tunnel, even if it were built by an earlier race of people has nothing linking it to giants, so the focus on it for this whole series is rather idiotic IMO.

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Andy White
12/11/2014 10:19:37 pm

My guess is that they think Bucklin gives them a chance to produce a large skull with concentric rows of teeth, allowing them to demonstrate that such a thing is possible. If they do get the skull (which I actually hope they do) I think they will be disappointed. Of course, since the skull won't have concentric rows of teeth, they will not be able to identify it as Bucklin. And the search will continue.

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Ragnar
12/12/2014 05:18:24 am

I'm pretty sure this series is DOA. The ratings are in the tank and from the looks of it, they don't have any sources for real info. Hell the whole core of these episodes, the Goshen Tunnel had nothing to do with giants and ended up being a dead end. If use Smithsonian does have giant bones they aren't going to bring them out. I guess the Powell doctrine is still in force.

They've already brought the fringe researchers out except for maybe Steve Quayle who can tell stories but couldn't produce any real evidence. Unless they go to the Caucasus mountains in Georgia they are sol.

Omega Man link
12/12/2014 04:10:18 pm

I am enjoying both "Search for the Lost Giants" and "The Curse of Oak Island"

The Word of God is true and Genesis 6 is an actual account of the creation of Giants. According to the work of Dr Jeffrey Goodman, Author of "The Comets of God" and also the Man whose team discovered the Flagstaff Stone, there has been civilization going on in North America for a very long time spanning back to the First Nations Indian Peoples.

With regard to Oak Island I do not believe that the Ark of the Covenant is on Oak Island but is at this very moment over under the temple mount as discovered by Ron Wyatt.

I think that what might be buried is gold and silver coin...

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EP
12/12/2014 04:19:42 pm

Ugh... Not ANOTHER exorcist!

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Matt Mc
12/13/2014 06:08:05 am

but I want to know if Soylent Green is really people

EP
12/13/2014 08:18:16 am

You do not. :P

Rob
12/13/2014 02:59:50 pm

Of course Soylent Green isn't people, it's damn dirty apes.

intelligentheating
12/13/2014 02:44:56 am

The best quote:

"With every 10cm they dig down, they seem to go back farther and farther in time"

Umm yeah that is generally how it works ;).

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Denise Spear
12/13/2014 10:48:47 am

oh crap, Bob Billington is my uncle and he never watches TV at all. Should I warn him to stay away from all this?

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Rob
12/13/2014 03:05:04 pm

@Denise, you can make him aware of the situation. He can make the appropriate choice for himself.

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intelligentheating
12/13/2014 05:23:41 pm

Hi Denise,

I'd be interested to know on what pretext the TV show presented setting up the interview with him.
If it wouldn't be an intrusion to ask him, could you share it here (if Jason does not mind of course).

Thanks

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EP
12/13/2014 05:46:12 pm

Denise, I believe the answer depends largely on whether your uncle is the vengeful type :)

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Jonathan Johnson
12/15/2014 04:23:22 am

I believe there were giants on the earth. However, I am skeptical about Search for the Lost Giants. Most recently, they were bad-mouthing a couple of archaeologists from the 1800's who were doing improper excavation and documenting of human remains. They were bad mouthing these folks, not to try to find giant bones, but to try to make a PR announcement that they are different. I also noticed some innuendos to that in the 12/9 episode. That tells me something about them. Since the season has already been shot in the summer, if they had found something, it would have made world news. They didn't. Unfortunately, I nevertheless continue to waste my time watching; even to the point of posting this comment while procrastinating at work.

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Bite Me link
12/15/2014 06:39:52 pm

Hey, I really like this Show.

The question I have, is if that Tooth is not of A Hominid, what is it from?

Or, do you all think that they just Made that up too?

They are Masons after all.

=M=

Bite me, Again. Mod Girls.

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EP
12/16/2014 03:33:14 am

This man is the best poster. Someone award him an Internet medal!

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Denise Spear
12/20/2014 05:58:21 am

well I finally emailed my Uncle Bob regarding his appearance on the show. explaining what it really was about, how guests have been mislead about these shows agendas in the past, and plead with him not to be the one that makes the disinterrment of nine men's misery remains possible. My Uncle is very kind, welcoming, and always eager to help. And as I said before he does not watch tv. I worry that he will be taken advantage of. I also worry that if he gets caught up and decides to help, it could happen. he is very popular locally in the historic, social, and political circles in Rhode Island. I haven't heard back from him yet and will update if he does.

Question: how far in advance are these episodes shot? How soon would they begin shooting next season? Am I too late? My hope is that the citizens of Cumberland will here about it and protest, just as they did during the first disiterrment/grave robbing attempt. Since my family is from there, I hope they do it. Even if my pleas go unnoticed (my Uncle might not even read the email) I think he would side with his hometown's feelings on the matter.

If anyone feels as strongly as I do about preventing these remains to be disturbed for the sake of a cheap ratings grab, you can contact the Blackstone River Valley Council at:

175 Main St.
Pawtucket, RI 02860

401-724-2200
info@tourblackstone.com

Please don't mention me, I believe that each message will be stronger coming from different individuals on their own. Maybe we can make a difference here, instead of just discussing things (which is good, I was very pleased to find that I wasn't the only one out there disturbed by the history dreck). Thanks!:-)

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Denise Spear
1/2/2015 08:47:16 am

Update on my conversation with my Uncle Bob: He reaffirmed that he din't get the History Channel and was unaware of the changing format. He was simply approached to be a local expert on 9 men's misery. When I explained the situation to him, he remarked that the original meeting with the show also included the President of the Rhode Island Historical Society, who as he put it soon "bailed" on the project. Now he says he understands why.

He hasn't had any further contact. If he does get contacted he will refer them to the Mayor of Cumberland who owns the land that the monument is on. However as he says, it is extremely unlikely that permission to disinter will ever be given. In a weird twist, he says he doubts that the skulls are actually there after talking to the previous head of the RIHS who was responsible for the 1976 interment. Neither the gentleman nor his son remember seeing any actual remains. My uncle is under the impression that they were "pilfered" (his words) long ago. Even if they weren't, he expressed concern that the location of the 9 men's misery monument is vulnerable to looting.

Either way I now believe that Benjamin Bucklin is out of the Viera's grasp.

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Vlad Tepes
5/21/2015 08:58:45 am

The History channel is just a big nasty reality show now. In my country to watch a piece of crap like this Giant "investigation" will take an hour with all the self promoting they do (including advertising for the show currently running) + regular advertising.

That being said, they made an absolute sickening puff piece about Obama, with all top Demo operatives being somehow portrayed as independents. Especially the " war was lost in Afghanistan in 2007 only to become better afterwards due to Obama's genius" (loosely quotes) when anyone can check the army loses spiked to twice for 2009 and 3 times in 2010, that was sickening to watch and I'm not even American.

I was looking for an outrage about that show too... nothing to be found.

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L.Marsh
5/26/2015 02:09:14 am

I thoroughly enjoyed search for the lost giants & I admire the Vieira brother's for their determination to delve into such a controversial subject no matter what the crictics/sceptics say.
As for the lack of physical evidence throughout the series I actually find that more reliable than these shows which throw up too much evidence everywhere which appear to me unrealistic & faked.
Above all I find someone like Jason Colavito with so much time to devote to slagging off other peoples interests must himself be dreadfully uninteresting to have nothing better to do. Why not try finding a proper hobbie yourself instead of offloading your bitter opinion on others. Even better still when a programme comes on you dislike, here's an idea; change the fucking channel.

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G.O.
6/1/2015 04:58:59 pm

My thoughts exactly...lol

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JayDee
6/19/2015 05:47:56 am

My thoughts as well!! I find it amazing that the younger generation today would rather watch scantily clad people run into the bedroom for sex than to possibly find out something about History!

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Forgotton
9/9/2015 01:14:50 am

The only purpose I see to these shows all those listed in the comments it's to show us places built prehistoric times some of the construction techniques used are interesting and it's fun to imagine what they could have been used for or why they would have been done at all I agree that the show type is doing a disservice to humanity in portraying a specific ideological view that is totally biased by the creators of each individual show they are by no means any kind of reporter and constantly trying to convince you of what they feel is right despite all logic and reason these shows show just how bad the commercialism of television has become anyone can buy airtime for any dribble and call it a show I feel history channel should be forced to change its name

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K
9/13/2015 08:36:58 pm

I think you're a government plant installed to discredit evidence of giants which the smithsonian institute wants refuted. Jerk!

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Mark O link
12/9/2015 03:04:15 pm

I'm always amused when I read Jason's critiques of History Channel programming. Having studied extensively to become an Archaeologist, myself, he is a constant reminder of why I didn't go into the profession. Archaeology is a relatively new "science" and humans, by nature, create "comfortable" answers based on the most scant of evidence, to suit their purpose and their pocket.

Archaeology begins with a theory, which then requires extensive research, documentation and marketing to procure funding to excavate sites, which creates a conflict of interest for the Director of the excavation. (Even the Iliad was thought to be a fairy tale until Schliemann wandered the desert and found Troy.) It's a publish or perish world, and if the excavation evidence points in a different direction than the funded theory, it is generally ignored or discarded, because the know-all, be-all academics can destroy careers, and evidence, with the stroke of a pen, if the findings refute or even question any of their own "acceptable" views of culture, technology or evolution.

Do some research on the Smithsonian Institute, if you're uncomfortable with that statement.

The truth is, we know virtually nothing. About our ancestry, about our planet, about our solar system and the universe. I liken it to the known dinosaur fossil record. Growing up in the sixties, there were maybe 10 species that had been identified. Today, there are over 1,000. Why should it be different for humans? It appears to me that whoever the current humans are, they have always possessed the hubris that are the smartest, most advanced people that ever were and that often stands in the way of the real search for knowledge and understanding.

It's easy to be critical of media production. Are the Vieiras responsible for that? It's easy to be critical of new ideas because they threaten...what? The nonsense we were taught in school by academics who relied on the victors-who-wrote-history to promote mainstream theories? How much of what we thought "must be true" has been turned on its head in the last hundred years?

Scoffing at new ideas isn't a new idea. It impeded the progress of our current civilization by almost a thousand years. "Evidence" is simply something that exists, and it's interpretation is subject to scrutiny. If you wish to interpret it differently, fine. If you wish to hide or ignore it, you're part of the problem. Accounts, photos and over 1500 newspaper reports of giant sized humans during the 19th and early 20th centuries, many with double rows of teeth is probably worthy of a little investigation, don't you think? Or, was everyone just a fool, because it doesn't fit with the our current academic paradigm?

Certainly, you'll never get any answer from the Smithsonian, where much of the evidence went...

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Marcus
11/28/2016 04:41:38 am

"Growing up in the sixties, there were maybe 10 species that had been identified."

A few hundred were named by the "Bone Wars" of the 1880s.

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White Sage
1/16/2016 01:28:53 am

It's hard to believe that Jason Colavito is not just a closed minded fool with a keyboard, but also a hypocritical racist who is denying American Indians their own heritage. Many Tribes speak of other people living here before they did. Look into the writings of Sarah Winnemucca 1882, her story of the Piutes and Lovelock cave ( which was unknown to them untill they chased and killed the Red Headed Tribe inside of it) The story of Redhorn and the giants, and many other oral traditions from coast to coast that Jason Colavito seems to be denouncing. The American Indians migrated from Asia in many waves, over a very great spread in time. To lump them into " their own cultures accomplishments" is a discredit to the diversity of each tribe. And is much still left to be learned now isn't it Jason? Unless Jedi are you? NAGPRA has made it much more difficult to uncover the past but I feel future generations not compelled by money will fix that problem and then with DNA testing we will be able to fill in some blanks to get a better view of the past. But only with open eyes and minds.

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Horus
1/16/2016 01:09:56 pm

Persective is the key. Where I live there are many illegal aliens from Mexico. When at a gas station standing in line most of the other customers are much shorter than myself. I'm 6ft tall and they are up to my chest or maybe chin high. I feel like a giant compared to them. I have a friend who is 6ft 5 and a neighbor who stands 6ft 7. I feel like a dwarf when next to them.
Historically people were shorter than modern couch potatoes, averaging 5ft to 5ft 3 over the last 2,000 -3,000 years. Many Cro-Magon remains have been found that would stand 6ft to 6ft 6.
What does it take to be a giant? Many cultures in their oral record, written record or art have giants. To them giants existed.
Disney's History Channel is a joke full of Nazi this and Ancient Alien that, but at least they touch the surface of the past.
I think the giants of old where Northern European hybrids and the still walk the earth today only much more common. History is a game of telephone that gets the original message twisted. But it started with a fact.
I hope the next History Channel show is on the search for the Blue Eyed Falcon/ Birdman.

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Richard Sertorius
3/26/2016 08:09:57 pm

Only slightly less obtuse than this series is the reviewer's claim that the show's promoters have engaged in some racist agenda to the detriment of natives pre-dating the European arrival. Likewise, the reviewer's swipe at alleged "19th century racists," which he claims parallel the show's outlook, is an absurd analogy. There's plenty to criticize about the show without fabricating a charge of bigotry. The tribes that roamed and inhabited North America prior to the European migration, don't need an apologist unable to grasp even elementary historical context.

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Mark
5/18/2016 05:31:05 am

I always enjoy a good laugh at the comments made in these blogs. Regardless of your world views, don't you think it a little suspicious to find details written in old newspaper articles which no longer register anywhere else in modern day online archives? Wake up people - you don't have to be a conspiracy nut to realise that there are missing pieces to the jigsaw puzzle. How do so many donated archaeological finds just go missing? Research on the internet gives you more dis-information than real leads to follow. So why not just filter out the good stuff and throw away the junk - that's called "discernment" for those of you who just like to throw stones.

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Frans
2/19/2017 06:40:28 am

As is related to in the series there are numerous newspaper articles relating to giants, some even show photographs of sceletons that are allegedly found. Most are late 19th or early20th cent. newspapers. But this is exactly a period in our history that traveling roadshows were very popular, where people could marvel at "the bearded woman" or "the monkey dog" or "the woman with three breasts". You could see all that for a fee of course. Some clever dicky made a giant scelaton to be displayed at fairs and roadshows and to convince people that this was the real deal they were displayed in a hole in the ground and photographed this homemade giant to attract more readers and viewers. So it was a moneymaking scheme no more no less.
But some people are gullible and ready to believe anything they are told by any (self proclaimed) authority
History channel is no better then those newspapers, regardless they want to make money, truth or no truth.

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dylan ya mum
7/25/2017 04:30:07 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwFRGzbTB-M

watch this say no more
nephilim existed many years ago a decedent of the human race if you want to think in a religious way during the time of noah god (other worldly creater) sent down the fallen angels and they brought wickedness onto this world they breeded with humans and created the nephilim half angel half human there offspring brought pain and death to all living things so god brought the floods to cleanse the world and after the floods he made the garden of eden samael (satan) ascended and planted that tree so he could tempt them god did this test to assure that the human race wouldn't inflict the same destruction as the nephilim I dont believe in a heavenly god i believe in a flesh and blood god who once resided in outer space aka the heavens before people were smart
it all connects even the religions that hate eachother all connect all just to big headed to open your mind and say i actually dont know whats out there so dont disprove it because when you see something you cant explain and know was real just hope who your telling is as open minded and wont shut you down as crazy

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Steveg
1/14/2020 12:09:19 pm

I have a question. Giants is absolute rubbish. Oak Island, more interesting but still pie in the sky. But, could anyone tell me about David Childress? He is surely the model of the school councillor in South Park, “nnnnok?”. I’m 47 and although he speaks absolute rubbish he makes me feel uneasy....

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