The Curse of Oak Island: The Story of the World’s Longest Treasure Hunt Randall Sullivan | 410 pages | Atlantic Monthly Press | December 2018 | ISBN: 978-0-8021-2693-1 | $27.00 Sometime during the course of the twentieth century, Canada’s Oak Island, located off the coast of Nova Scotia, became the locus of an industry of conspiracy theorists, treasure-hunters, and historical speculators who sought to probe its supposed mysteries in the name of a bewildering array of pretended adventurers to the island. These have included pirates, Inca, Romans, Vikings, Israelites, and of course Knights Templar. For more than two centuries men have dug holes in the ground trying to prove that Oak Island conceals some fabulous treasure of myriad faces, everything from Spanish gold to Shakespeare’s lost plays to the Ark of the Covenant. All of these adventurers have had one thing in common: failure. The only real treasure ever recovered from Oak Island was the advertising revenue generated by the History Channel series The Curse of Oak Island (2014-present), which is looking to pad its profits with the volume under consideration here, from the pen of journalist Randall Sullivan, formerly OWN-TV’s “Miracle Detective,” and recently a Curse of Oak Island guest who promoted a mega-conspiracy (originated by David Childress, synthesizing earlier claims), that Sir Francis Bacon was the true author of Shakespeare’s plays and that the proof is hidden on Oak Island along with the Jewish Temple treasure and the secrets of alchemy. I have never been a fan of the Curse TV series, or its stars, Rick and Marty Lagina, who have spent millions digging holes in Oak Island with their friends, to no avail. Almost five years ago, I reviewed the pilot, and I presciently observed that the true appeal of the TV series had little to do with Oak Island’s threadbare mysteries and much more to do with the nature of masculine relationships in middle age: Everyone on this show is male, and in focusing on the relationship between two brothers and their circle of all-male friends (most of whom have financial investments in the island and its mysteries), there is a sociological undercurrent reflective of the observation that men bond by doing and that this shared activity serves to unite them. […] This isn’t really a show about Oak Island. It’s a show about brotherly love and male bonding. Or, less charitably, it’s golf with even less of a point. The book The Curse of Oak Island: The Story of the World’s Longest Treasure Hunt comes to readers wrapped in the TV show’s logo and with cover art of an island dissolving into a skull drawn from History’s promotions for the series. A History Channel logo graces the cover three times, and one-third of the book is devoted to following the investigations of the Lagina brothers, sometimes episode by episode, in numbing detail. The dust jacket wants you to know that this is a book for fans of The Curse of Oak Island, but that is both the book’s strength and its greatest weakness. At times, it seems that Sullivan mistakes the appeal of Curse as a deep fascination with the “mysteries” of Oak Island rather than the joie de vivre that the hunters experienced in sharing their fruitless explorations. It says something about the book—and about the absolute nothing that is Oak Island—that nearly all of the photographs in the book are the faces of old, white treasure hunters, with virtually no images of objects, constructions, or treasures. The parade of blank stares becomes somewhat uncanny and unnerving. To that end, Sullivan’s book is a strange production. Because it is geared to fans of the show, Sullivan doesn’t do much setup at the beginning of the book, and he quickly plunges the reader into granular details about various people who have traveled to and from the island over the centuries. I will confess that while I have a working knowledge of the outlines of Oak Island’s history, I lack a detailed understanding of the many facts, rumors, and legends about the island that seem a prerequisite to understand Sullivan’s book. There were times, especially early on, that I had no idea what he was talking about, since geographic features of the island and legendary early explorers of them are simply assumed to be household words among the book’s potential readers. A little more setup and explanation would have helped to orient readers who don’t have every episode of the show memorized. Perhaps the disconnect between writer and reader can best be summarized by Sullivan’s claim that early Oak Island researcher Frederick Blair’s legacy was best represented by “any number of enduring quotes from various newspaper interviews he gave.” I had only the vaguest familiarity with any of them, but Sullivan is probably right that publicity was the Platonic ideal of Oak Island research. About ninety percent of the book is a straightforward and bone-dry history of the various expeditions that have dug holes into Oak Island, going into tedious detail on their budgets, their equipment, and the various holes they dug, the water levels in said holes, and the lack of evidence obtained from the digs. I had difficulty reading it, not because it was hard reading but because I could not force myself to care about it. At rare intervals, the story of the various expeditions interested me—the appearance of notorious fringe writer Harold T. Wilkins and his psychically channeled evidence is a highlight—and some of the documentary evidence of cattiness, pettiness, and feuding among the various personalities is somewhat compelling. But Sullivan chooses to play most of this completely straight, as a serious discussion of a very serious effort to uncover treasure. This is exactly the wrong choice. The only real way to turn such dry material into an exciting narrative—short of all-out camp, on the order of Ancient Aliens—is to explore the underlying themes that animated the various actors. In this case, the underlying theme is obsession. The “treasure” of Oak Island was not originally all that mysterious or fascinating. The legend began, after all, as the claim that Captain Kidd had buried his gold on the island. The first stories were not substantively different from other lost treasure narratives of the nineteenth century, and, indeed, Victorians didn’t think any more or less of Oak Island than of other similar narratives. The later versions, about Templars and Inca and Holy Bloodlines, were all added later, mostly in the 1940s-1970s, in an effort to explain away the lack of treasure and justify ever more elaborate fantasies about how such wealth has remained hidden. No, the real issue is why middle-aged men become hopelessly obsessed with Oak Island, even at the cost of their reputations and their dignity. Perhaps the only sympathetic passage in the whole book concerned Mildred Restall, whose husband Robert became obsessed with the Oak Island treasure in his 40s and kept searching for decades. Mildred “became increasingly miserable, exhausted by the continual talk of the search that was the only conversation” her husband offered. Her son told Sullivan that his mother was lonely and the family so poor due to Robert’s single-minded treasure-hunting that Mildred had to make her clothes out of worn scraps of Robert’s work clothes. The middle-aged Sullivan offers no real insight here, though the former Rolling Stone contributing editor has fallen in with the Oak Island obsessives and paints a portrait of himself as a man who can’t handle the fact that the island may hold no great secret. He quotes one elderly researcher as lamenting that the treasure had to exist or “I would have wasted all of these years.” Only at the very end of the book does Sullivan acknowledge that the real curse of Oak Island is “the way it swallowed up people’s lives.” This failure to fully explore the thread of obsession also leads to the second of the book’s wrong choices. Sullivan is firmly on the side of some lost treasure or another, and he therefore uses editorial asides throughout his narrative to attack anyone, living or dead, who has dared to suggest that Oak Island may hold no real mystery and conceal no fabulous treasure. He attacks Henry Bowdoin—of whom I had never previously heard—in obnoxious detail for concluding in 1911, after finding no treasure on the island, that none was likely to be found. Sullivan sees this as a propagandistic lie designed to humiliate Bowdoin’s rivals and justify ignoring the grandeur of Oak Island’s ersatz mythology. He saves his harshest words for Joe Nickell of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, who suggested in 2000 that Oak Island was really related a ceremonial site used by Freemasons to enact the “Hidden Vault” allegory. Sullivan devotes outsized space to attacking Nickell personally and professionally for a claim that was little noticed then or now, even breaking from his chronological account to fit in more attacks on Nickell’s solution to the mystery. But what exactly does Sullivan hope his book to be? These weird attacks mark the book as something less than a straightforward history of the treasure hunt on Oak Island. The authorial voice, breaking randomly into the first person in the first two thirds of the book, comes to dominate the last third, turning what started as a history of Oak Island into the author’s own stab at a solution and then a memoir of the apparent highlight of his life, appearing on The Curse of Oak Island TV series. This hybrid narrative sits somewhere in between history and memoir, at times overloaded with arcane excavation details and at other times detailing the author’s excitement about joining the Lagina brothers in the endless quest for the “truth” and his frisson of joy at witnessing the emotional connections that the cast and crew of the show forged. It’s less The Curse of Oak Island: The Story of the World’s Longest Treasure Hunt and more My Little Oak Island: Friendship Is Magic. You needn’t take my word for it. Sullivan quotes Rick Lagina as saying as much: “Rick had told me himself that he believed the emotional connections being made among the people involved in the production and in the treasure hunt itself ‘might be the real purpose of all this.’” But like any social circle, there is an in-group and an ostracized out-group, and Sullivan repeatedly acts like a social climber looking for approval to sit at lunch with the cool kids. Sullivan gossips about the various backstabbing and undercutting among the show’s cast, guests, and the production team, particularly the wrath of the Lagina brothers at a potential Curse guest who was banned from the show after he was found to have supported Canadian legislation to protect the island’s cultural heritage, which of course would have harmed the show’s furtive digging of endless holes. He talks about how he hides his real thoughts and feelings in order to get in good with the Laginas. In one chapter—surprising for an official History Channel tie-in—he reports that the Lagina brothers suspected Curse producers of planting at least one artifact for them to find in order to increase the drama, and they threatened producer Kevin Burns that they would end the show if they could prove he had faked a find. Sullivan absolves the production team of any wrongdoing and takes it upon himself to act as a go-between to sooth the Lagina brothers’ feelings and reassure them of everyone’s good intentions. So, what of Sullivan’s solution? It’s basically the one he presented on Curse of Oak Island the TV series a few years ago and which I examined at the time: a ridiculous conspiracy in which Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeare’s plays to encode alchemical wisdom and such wisdom was carried to Oak Island for safekeeping by a religious conspiracy of Rosicrucians. It’s all a bit pointless since the alchemical secrets Sullivan suggests he possessed—the wisdom of Hermes Trismegistus, the magic of the Watchers, etc.—are medieval stories grafted on to ancient legends, not original to them. And in the book Sullivan happily admits to not really believing it all the way but going with it for the sake of the show. I will give Sullivan credit for this: He outlines the TV show’s obsession with the Knights Templar and systematically outlines the same failures and weaknesses of Templar conspiracy theories that I have repeatedly discussed over the years, as well as later conspiracies built atop them, down to Zena Halpern’s recent efforts to promote an almost certainly fake map as a medieval Templar record of Oak Island. He correctly observes that the Zeno Narrative—the basis of the TV show’s frequent claim that Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney explored America in 1398—was a hoax, that its advocates were intentional frauds, and that the stories of Templar fleets departing for America were modern tales spun from Victorian cloth. So close, indeed, is his analysis of S02E07 to my own that I can’t help but think he read my review. As far as I know, I was the first person to cite Lescarbot’s 1610 account of Christian symbolism among the Mi’kmaq to refute the Templar flag = Mi’kmaq flag bullshit argument, and Sullivan repeats my analysis. (Sullivan cites no sources in the book and includes no bibliography, so I can only speculate.) He comes dangerously close to (accurately) accusing the show’s producers and guest stars Kathleen McGowan (the widow of Ancient Aliens star Philip Coppens who thinks herself a descendant of Christ and Mary Magdalene), Alan Butler (who once wrote that future Freemasons built the moon when time traveling), and Janet Wolter (wife of America Unearthed host Scott Wolter) of intellectual fraud by pushing discredited claims and outright hoaxes to play to the Da Vinci Code audience. He also offered some unkind words about what he sees as the overdramatic self-presentation of “Treasure Force Commander” J. Hutton Pulitzer, describing his “getup” as that of “a villain in a campy remake of King Solomon’s Mines.” He criticizes Pulitzer again later in the book, for expressing disdain for academics with advanced degrees. As satisfying as it is to see him attack what he calls “agitated crackpots,” there is more than a whiff of Sullivan trashing his rivals for Curse screen time and the glory of receiving the show’s endorsement for his “theory.” He frequently refers to speculative ideas about Oak Island as having the “third most screen time” on the series or however much, as though it were a mark of quality. Sullivan chose not to go all the way and admit that the guests’ stories were phony modern fakelore, and he happily explained that he chose not to because of the money the History Channel and Prometheus Entertainment push through that program. Sullivan spoke of how producer Kevin Burns convinced him to appear on the show for “four or five episodes” by offering a “sweet deal” involving “all expenses paid” for a month-long vacation in the “loveliest” scenery in Canada, which would double as research for the book under review here. “They were also covering all of the costs of my research and personal expenses,” he added. Sullivan plainly states that he chose to find a “middle ground” allowing for some Templar claims to be true as repayment for “a decent room in a resort […] and a brand-new Jeep to drive in.” That’s why, despite knowing that most of the show’s claims were bullshit, he “owed them at least a good faith effort to serve the show.” To serve the show. Truth, it seems, can be bought for the right price, and the search for facts corrupted by corporate cash. What is amazing is to hear Sullivan freely admit that he will tailor his beliefs for cash payments. In general, he is admirably skeptical of all of the crackpot claims made for Oak Island, except, of course, the one he was paid to advocate. The true depth of his belief in the Baconian theory is unclear, since he claims at times to have devoted years to researching it (the idea was proposed and developed by others long before) and at other times to have selected it as a way to distinguish himself from other wannabe Curse guest stars. This is, ultimately, the problem with paid advocacy: It becomes hard to know how much to trust someone who was paid for the “right” opinion. Overall, the book is longwinded and extraordinarily dull unless you are fascinated by the most arcane details of the various efforts to dig holes on Oak Island. If it is facts you want, however, this is certainly the place to find information about treasure hunting on Oak Island. However, not all the facts are accurate, and the lack of citations makes it hard to say where some of his errors arose. For example, he alleges that John Dee invented the alchemical maxim “As above, so below,” but this is the second line of the famous Emerald Tablet, which dates back at least to the ninth century if not earlier. Sullivan is a journalist by trade, and the more he dives into the arcana of medieval and ancient history, the more out of his depth he falls. His facts about Oak Island and its modern history are admirably accurate (so far as I can tell) and detailed, and he should perhaps have avoided delving too far into ancient mysteries of dubious connection to the island. At the end, Sullivan makes an astute observation about the degree to which Prometheus Entertainment and the History Channel are driving the Oak Island “mystery” industry through their Curse of Oak Island, just as their Ancient Aliens series has run roughshod over ancient astronaut theorists like Erich von Däniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos, and David Wilcock, all of whom have expressed concern that the series has made bonkers claims that they do not support. “The treasure hunt,” Sullivan wrote, “and the television show had become not just intertwined, or even symbiotic, but had merged to the point of being completely indistinguishable.” That’s why the real treasure-hunter on Oak Island is Kevin Burns, the executive producer depicted here as a jolly man of slippery promises, who is as obsessed with Knights Templar as he is with monitoring the show’s weekly ratings and spacing out “discoveries” for maximum drama. The real treasure of Oak Island isn’t what—if anything—is buried under the surface, nor hidden wisdom, nor even the camaraderie of the old men who search in vain. The real treasure are the 2.9 million weekly viewers whose vicarious enjoyment of its “mysteries” and emotional investment in the cast translates into untold millions in advertising revenue that handsomely pays everyone involved and keeps the endless quest pushing forward in search of higher ratings and higher ad rates.
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EAGLE FEATHER (Son of Big Eagle)
11/24/2018 09:12:08 am
Why is there a debate on L’Anse aux Meadows and Oak Island? It is logical to note that if you discovered America, you would not place your settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows unless it was a bus stop to another destination. Ships landed there, received supplies, rested, went further down the coast. Scholars seem to miss the point, they only express a limited view of reality. If a scholarly civilization annexes a previous society and writes it down. They have (one)… admitted they were not first. They have (two)… admitted the evidence of that fact even though they keep denying the existence of others due to the fact the previous society didn’t have journals that survived or are being kept under wraps. They have (three)… given credence to every conspiracy theory due to the fact that scholars do not explain the purpose of what is reported. Each fact a person is exposed to creates a dot. When a second dot is created, a logical person can create a story that connects the dots. It is always contradicted by the scholars, even though the scholars don’t explain (purpose).
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V
11/24/2018 11:22:47 am
...what the hell did I just attempt four times to read? Does this pile of word vomit make sense to anyone else? I mean, I recognize the individual words, but strung together this way, they are indecipherable...
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Joe Scales
11/24/2018 12:10:34 pm
"...what the hell did I just attempt four times to read?"
EV
11/24/2018 01:49:10 pm
"There ain't no sunshine when she's gone..."
Shane Sullivan
11/24/2018 02:25:34 pm
You've got some intestinal fortitude, V. I didn't make it half way through the first paragraph.
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/24/2018 05:34:10 pm
I found it quite easy reading when I read it on Wolter's site earlier this week. Like our Scott, Eagle Feather is an idiot.
Jim
11/24/2018 05:44:25 pm
" Does this pile of word vomit make sense to anyone else?
Doc Rock
11/24/2018 09:24:06 pm
I would humbly submit that Eagle Feather is making a point. I don't want to spoil the fun by saying more than that.
Melanie Puryear
3/15/2019 07:56:55 pm
Millions and Millions of treasure HAS been found on Oak Island.
Will
11/25/2018 10:48:54 pm
So how many comments until you get to the stone holes Eagle Feather?
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EAGLE FEATHER
11/26/2018 10:14:43 am
Well... that is a very deep subject. 33
EAGLE FEATHER
11/26/2018 10:37:22 am
Here's the teaser trailer...
EAGLE FEATHER
11/26/2018 11:10:25 am
Imagine this paradigm...
Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 05:06:38 pm
If, I am following the character-driven drama correctly... You're suggesting one should build an Eiffel Tower over the spot the Statue of Liberty was supposed to be???
Barry Smith
11/24/2018 09:16:22 am
Well said. The only thing Jason Colavito has left out is how stupefyingly boring the show is. A typical episode consists of about 1/3 commercials, whether paid, or for other History Channel program. Of what remains, about 1/4 recap of previous episode(s). The next segment is a recap of the first segment, with some shoptalk about the digging apparatus or surveying technique. In the third, some actual new information appears, usually a nail or a button (presumably from the tunic of a Knight Templar, or some such) In the final segment-you guessed it-more recap, and shreds of speculation about what the "new evidence" might reveal-but you'll have to watch next week to find out.
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Groucho Kenobi
11/26/2018 02:55:42 pm
Seems that is the program content of all my "upper cable channels." Boils down to about 15 minutes of content.
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Jim
11/24/2018 10:20:45 am
Does no one like Kreskin Gary Drayton, who wonders aimlessly and with great purpose through the forest directly to a boulder, upon which he lays his magical detector and with a triumphant cry yells, we may have a bobby dazzler !
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Joe Scales
11/24/2018 10:50:25 am
For a more in depth review of the fraud and lies that have served this hoax for centuries now, see Richard Joltes' incredibly informative site:
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E.P. Grondine
11/24/2018 11:52:45 am
@Joe
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/24/2018 05:38:22 pm
"I suppose the whole search just goes to demonstrate that people believe what they want to believe, facts to the contrary usually ignored. A certain kind of desperation usually motivates their beliefs."
E.P. Grondine
11/25/2018 10:34:59 am
@Shit for Brains
EAGLE FEATHER
11/25/2018 03:25:53 pm
E.P.
Doc Rock
11/24/2018 12:19:39 pm
It's commercialized obsession. It's one thing to become obsessed with finding something that is known to have actually existed. I believe that has been the case in many instances when people were searching for sunken Spanish galleons known to have carried treasure. I think one man devoted most of his adult life to it, lost friends and families members seeking it, and came close to bankruptcy. But then he found it. A long shot that paid off, but at a stiff price.
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/24/2018 05:41:13 pm
Keep in mind the KRS Museum which is essentially a one million dollar public restroom.
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Joe Scales
11/25/2018 11:11:43 am
At least with the Kensington Rune Stone hoax they still have the stone. As for the Oak Island treasure hoax? There's really no evidence to sort through at all. The tale of the three young boys finding a tackle block hanging over soft earth from a recent digging. Now putting aside for a moment that if you just buried the world's greatest treasure, you don't leave a tackle block hanging over it... but I digress. So the "young boys" were real people. They just weren't boys at the alleged time of the fabled discovery. They were men, and two of which owned property on the island. So lie number one, right from the get go.
Ken
11/24/2018 01:37:22 pm
What I would like to know is how much, if anything, Marty spent of his own money over the years, or a this 100% funded by History Channel. At the end of every season, they wonder if they have enough to afford coming back. Apparently they will keep coming back as long as the ratings hold.
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Doc Rock
11/24/2018 02:25:53 pm
Ken,
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Shane Sullivan
11/24/2018 02:13:35 pm
"Or, less charitably, it’s golf with even less of a point."
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11/24/2018 02:16:14 pm
Hardee har-har. Of course I meant "point" as in "purpose," not "score."
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Shane Sullivan
11/24/2018 02:26:22 pm
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
orang
11/24/2018 06:21:42 pm
Love these comments. I got hooked on Oak Island almost 70 years ago while listening to an AM radio show. I am grateful for a couple of things: One is that somebody is doing something to resolve the mystery there, and the second is that I have a remote to fast forward through all the repetitive bullshit and the Templar nonsense that keep re-occurring every week. I get through about two hours of programming in about 30 to 45 minutes, so that reduces the agony of the Curse. I like the fact that the budget for the show is apparently increasing every year ( the cofferdam and those seismic explosions) so maybe something can be resolved. I have a growing belief after every season that nothing is there now an maybe never was.
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Jim
11/24/2018 07:48:11 pm
"Regarding L"Anse aux Meadows, I believe that no one in their right minds would stop at building an outpost at a shithole like L'Anse aux Meadows. It is a confirmed site so there must be more evidence of additional settlements further south somewhere. "
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EV
11/24/2018 10:09:26 pm
Ah.. umm.. Jim,
Doc Rock
11/24/2018 09:49:06 pm
In recent years there has been archaeological work done to seek out additional sites like L'Anse aux Meadow. That includes work in Newfoundland well to the south of L'Anse aux Meadows as well as at a couple points well north of L'Anse aux Meadows. So there isn't any assumption by scholars that LAM is the only place in North America that the Norse tried to settle.
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Eirik Sinclair
11/24/2018 10:50:00 pm
In short strokes...
E.P. Grondine
11/25/2018 10:55:15 am
@Doc -
Doc Rock
11/25/2018 11:54:14 am
EP,
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/25/2018 02:09:56 pm
The oral tradition as recorded by Cusick specifically says the Stonish Giants were Indians from the west, the interior of the continent.
E.P. Grondine
11/25/2018 02:35:32 pm
@Doc
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Doc Rock
11/25/2018 04:05:01 pm
E.P.,
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/25/2018 04:29:21 pm
"[P]eople believe what they want to believe, facts to the contrary usually ignored. A certain kind of desperation usually motivates their beliefs."
E.P Grondine
11/26/2018 10:14:59 am
@Doc
Doc Rock
11/26/2018 12:23:22 pm
EP,
EV
11/26/2018 12:42:02 pm
Where Queen Mary was buried is exactly where you will find the Treasure! The Golden Fleece was buried under the Statue of Liberty, and Oak Island to the Ninth Degree carries the bounty sought. Look for the Eiffel Tower platform.
E.P. Grondine
11/26/2018 02:30:58 pm
@Doc -
Titus Pullo
11/25/2018 08:26:42 pm
Jason hit the nail on the head...this show really is about "male bonding in the pursuit of an objective and the adventure along the way."
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Joe Scales
11/26/2018 10:05:01 am
"Oak Island is about a team of men trying to do the "impossible"..yes it is "art" and not reality but this is what the writers/producers are doing. Each cast member has their own "role" and personality we have become accustomed to and "cheer" for..."
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Jockobadger
11/26/2018 12:08:27 pm
I recall reading about Oak Island when I was a kid - it was covered in a "Ripley's Believe It or Not!" type of publication. I thought the whole story was great e.g. the platforms found every 10', the rock with strange markings (that disappeared, of course), the flood tunnel trap, etc. I thought they had even found a bit of gold chain at some depth? Anyway, I was suspicious then, and still am, that it's all a hoax. I've watched one episode, a couple of years ago - boring. Are they working with a real geologist?
Joe Scales
11/26/2018 12:20:48 pm
"Are they working with a real geologist?"
Joe Scales
11/29/2018 12:53:37 pm
In the last episode they actually had a geologist on site where they were drilling holes into the ground and bringing up remnants of old cribbing from past digs... which of course the narrator describes as pieces of a treasure vault. I'm sure the show wouldn't let any geologist go rogue with the geological realities that rule out flood tunnels, but he did get to look at what was being dredged up and made such astute observations as "that's really neat".
GEET
11/25/2018 09:00:15 pm
WOW these comments are priceless. I think the real story here is how terrible Randalls book. Thanks for the review Jason. I look forward to your blog ebery week!!
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Lyn
11/25/2018 09:46:47 pm
hmmm, after careful; consideration of Oak Island I have come to a conclusion. My New Zealand farmlet is on a plateau with a very high water table. Therefore - if I dig down any hole will flood, this shows that my farmlet is the site of a mysterious treasure. Would anyone care to pay me a lot of money for digging rights?
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GEET
11/25/2018 10:37:48 pm
@LYN
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Lyn
11/25/2018 11:47:07 pm
I was noting that half of the Oak Island theories seem to fixate on the place flooding any time they dig. I have to beware of that happening on my place and compared it ironically.
GEET
11/26/2018 10:35:14 am
@LYN
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EV
11/26/2018 11:00:04 am
You may find your treasure in beauty.
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Joe Scales
11/26/2018 11:49:15 am
Geet… are you an idiot? You think flood tunnels were dug on Oak Island sometime in the 18th century that extended from a beach over 500 yards and 90 feet deep to stop people from digging up an imaginary treasure? What did they use to do this? Wood? Stones? And it still works to this day? I mean... if only our own infrastructure was built so solidly. We'd never have burst pipes or water main breaks. Or clogs, apparently. But you think there are man made flood tunnels on Oak Island to guard a treasure of some sort. Ever heard of the Windsor Formation? Ever heard of Geology? Are you aware that the water source that would flood any deep pit on Oak island comes from far off shore? The depths of the ocean.
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Jockobadger
11/26/2018 12:21:36 pm
Thanks for the link, Joe. I'll read up on it. Is the water that has flooded the workings saline? Have they ever mentioned that? I've not watched the show.
CORKY
11/26/2018 12:27:59 pm
The most valuable item to ever come from Oak Island was the drill bit. It was more of a cork at the end of a straw.
Joe Scales
11/26/2018 12:38:35 pm
From Joltes' site:
GEET
11/26/2018 12:58:06 pm
@Joe Scales
Joe Scales
11/26/2018 02:12:17 pm
Well Geet, forgive me for calling you an idiot when imbecile would be a better term of art. What they're digging up this season with the cofferdam at Smith's Cove are finger drains which had already been discovered. They did not extend past the beach and they were likely the remnants of an old salt works. But the show will find them and lie to you and tell you that they're proof of flood tunnels. Something geology and geologists have long ruled out.
CORKY
11/26/2018 03:29:10 pm
'Likely' is a precursor to 'maybe' or 'maybe not'
Jockobadger
11/26/2018 12:44:45 pm
Well, that didn't take long. Looks like quite a number of qualified geologists have looked at this. I was unaware of the limestone Windsor Formation, but it certainly explains the flooding, notwithstanding the fact that the bottom of the "money pit" is at least 70' below the OHWM. Also, sounds like the chain links I mentioned above were salted - not unheard of when someone is promoting a mine (or treasure!)
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CORKY
11/26/2018 01:00:38 pm
Processing nuns from the Confederacy of 1255 AD.
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GEET
11/26/2018 03:26:38 pm
@Joe Scales
Joe Scales
11/26/2018 04:05:02 pm
Fair enough Geet. You're a good sport so I'll endeavor to put it more nicely. The idea of centuries old man made flood tunnels to guard an alleged treasure that has no rational, historical or factual basis to begin with... is idiotic. The show is lying to you. At some point when the ratings dry up, they'll all pat themselves on the back, say they gave it one heck of a go, but alas... the "Curse" has beaten them too. Then they open a resort.
EV
11/26/2018 04:24:34 pm
I'm going with GEET on this one. Even though Oak Island is not a treasure pit, it justifiably would be an adventurous out house. I've seen the boring apparatus Archimedes created. The stone base found out in the surf would be good support so it doesn't veer off course. Coconut husks too good to be faked. The need for a septic system at this location drops the scales in favor of a latrine.
Kal
11/26/2018 03:24:14 pm
"The oldest treasure hunt in the world"? or something?
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EV
11/26/2018 03:48:43 pm
A treasure hunt is like the reality show Survivor. Each week there are treasure hunters. But the real treasure goes to Probst who gets his payment regardless.
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Doc Rock
11/26/2018 03:58:00 pm
I've never managed to make it thru even one episode of the show because the subject became one big bore to me decades ago. But I am curious:
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Jockobadger
11/26/2018 04:53:09 pm
~ "If people in the present can't get to the treasure with all of the technology available then how in the hell were the people who hid it supposed to recover it?"
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CORKY
11/26/2018 05:03:18 pm
How? Didn't you watch National Treasure?
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Frank
11/26/2018 05:48:15 pm
"Well Geet, forgive me for calling you an idiot when imbecile would be a better term of art. What they're digging up this season with the cofferdam at Smith's Cove are finger drains which had already been discovered. They did not extend past the beach and they were likely the remnants of an old salt works. But the show will find them and lie to you and tell you that they're proof of flood tunnels. Something geology and geologists have long ruled out."
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/26/2018 06:23:44 pm
"A" for effort, because you've really got to try to be that long-winded. Frankly Frank, not your best work.
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Joe Scales
11/26/2018 08:49:58 pm
That was actually rather brief considering how my new cyber-stalker usually carries on. I used to always respond, "Again. Half as long." Don't think he ever got it though. But then again... he is an idiot.
D. Chapline
11/26/2018 08:59:43 pm
I was looking for a book review and bammmm. Tv show review here we are. So let’s start with I do watch the show weekly it’s simple entertainment to me. I have read and reread many books on the island and am fascinated by how many normal well educated people have devoted there time and money to this endeavor. I am excited to buy the book and see what new ideas even if they are crazy are put out there. I think people are either all in or all out when it comes to Oak Island so few will be swayed by a good or bad review. I hope the book is readable and someone gets to the bottom of the hole soon.
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Joe Scales
11/26/2018 09:09:38 pm
D.C.
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Peter de Geus
11/27/2018 07:28:38 pm
Was the alleged planted artifact identified in the book? If so, what was it, or if it has made the rumour mill otherwise, I'm curious to know? (sorry if already noted in comments, which I have not read)
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Corey
11/28/2018 12:56:16 am
My guess it was the Spanish coin which was "found" at the end of the first season right as the rich brother said he needed "evidence" to keep funding the hunt.
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Joe Scales
11/29/2018 12:55:51 pm
That would have been my guess as well, as I was able to find the same exact sort of coin on Ebay at the time for about ten bucks. Even if real, it wasn't so much evidence of any treasure. Maybe somebody's lost penny jar perhaps.
Jason Da Racist
11/28/2018 05:27:33 am
Hey racist removing comment I see. CantC take nobody? Racist twerp everything is racist for you including white men on Oak Island. Twerp nothing to do with racism loser. Get beat up in school I guess loser. Oh yeah I know you were bullied twerp.
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Joe Scales
12/5/2018 11:08:46 am
Well, the Cremona Document showed up on Curse of Oak Island last night. Apparently, Zena Halpern's son needed to clean out his late mother's crap out of the house, and the boys from Oak Island showed up to cart it all away. Hopefully, he got paid for it... and the smile on his face just might have been an indicator of just that.
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SouthCoast
12/16/2018 12:46:04 am
Dig they must. Eventually, they're going to need a bigger island.
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Man this site is funny... None of us matter fellas
12/25/2018 09:47:31 pm
Bunch of nonsense in this place. So many dumb dudes trying to sound intelligent over online arguments.
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Skeptical Geologist
5/7/2019 01:59:29 pm
I defense of the show - their methodologies are actually technically sound (I would approach the problem in a similar manner, such as by coring with sonic equipment, performing seismic surveys, radiocarbon and dendrochronology dating of wood samples) and I see no evidence for anything that I would call fradulent. So unlike a lot of other "reality" and pseudo-history (e.g., S.W.) shows, I give Curse of Oak Island high marks in that they are genuinely trying to find what they think is treasure. Mind you, I don't think for a second they will find the Holy Grail and Templar treasure. But I give them credit for honestly being on a treasure quest. Looks like they are having fun, so no harm.
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Peter Krohn
9/10/2019 07:42:57 pm
I have just come across this program on SBS, a free to air channel in Melbourne, Australia, where I live. I was intrigued and looked for more information. Among all the dross on the internet this review by Randall Sullivan stands out, it not only give the program context but it is beautifully written and stands on its own as a piece of writing. I won't be committing myself to the investment of time required to watch the entire series but I may dip in occasionally. With the endless recaps it shouldn't be too hard to keep up!
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Jon Nixon
2/24/2020 07:28:17 pm
OK, I watch the show. Don't ask me why. Maybe all the cool machines and guy stuff. They spent more on a seawall that we did building our neighborhood. Something fascinating about other people wasting money.
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