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Review of "The Cygnus Key" by Andrew Collins (Part 2)

1/25/2018

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THE CYGNUS KEY: THE DENISOVAN LEGACY, GÖBEKLI TEPE, AND THE BIRTH OF EGYPT
Andrew Collins with Rodney Hale | 464 pages | Bear & Company | 2018 | ISBN 978-1591432999

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​In the first part of my review of The Cygnus Key, I reviewed Andrew Collins’s views on the supposedly prehistoric origins of a cult that worships the constellation of Cygnus the Swan as a vulture that leads souls to heaven. I also noted that this part of the volume, a third of its length, is essentially little more than a summary of Collins’s previous books going back a decade. In the remainder of the book, Collins finally gets to the meat of his thesis, starting with what he calls “The Giza Revelation.”
​It was … disappointing. Collins and his co-researcher, Hale, offer more math games based on the geography of the Giza pyramid field, and a lot of it is simply unconvincing since the supposed correlations don’t actually align to any of the obvious or inherent features of Giza but instead are predicated on the belief that the imaginary lines drawn on the Giza plateau align to the position of Cygnus’s various stars as viewed from unlikely angles, such as a point on the east side of Khafre’s pyramid where a line drawn perpendicular to the Sphinx’s head would hit it, if, from that point, you then turn 37 degrees to the south based on a fictive 3-4-5 triangle created with this point and a nearby hill. If that sounds confusing, well, Cygnus is apparently so mysterious that it defies logic. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the irregularly shaped hill of Gebel el-Qibli can support many different fictitious lines since its shape is variable enough that the point you choose atop it to represent your anchor point can alter the angles enough to “align” with anything. Their drawing of the feature does not match topographic maps of it, except roughly, but it looks like they were aiming for the highest point. It’s actually quite interesting how the choices made by the mapmakers change the “alignments” depending on where the isobars are drawn. Any theory must also contend with any erosion that Gebel el-Qibli experienced over the past 5,000 or more years.
 
Anyway, Collins’s geometric speculation finds its basis in the occult ideas of R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, which casts a bit of a pall over the proceedings. At one point, Collins claims that dividing the distance from Gebel el-Qibli by three (to represent the units of a 3-4-5 triangle) produces a length equal to the height of Khafre’s pyramid, and this “could not be without meaning.” From this he concludes that Khafre’s pyramid is actually the most important pyramid and the key to understanding all of history. He speculates that a “bad omen” led Giza’s builders to complete the Great Pyramid first, thus obscuring the world-historical importance of the measurements of Khafre’s pyramid. At best, if we take everything he claims at face value, he only proved that in the pre-dynastic period, two rocky outcroppings were used to situate a stone platform with some simple geometry.
 
But Collins descends into numerological mumbo-jumbo, spouting old Victorian ideas about the ratios and proportions of the Great Pyramid and its supposed relationship to Earth measurements and astrology. He throws in some of Robert Temple’s ideas about Egypt pioneering Pythagorean ideas about music, and the supposed cosmic import of musical octaves—the so-called music of the spheres, thought to be the inaudible sound of the stars as they circle the sky. It’s all material that has been debunked before, and is presented here undigested, another random block of fringy speculation with little overarching story or through-line. Instead, it degenerates into a lengthy digression on Classical and Mesopotamian religious beliefs about the “world-soul” and Orphic beliefs about life after death.
 
Surely at this point even the most credulous of Collins’s readers will wonder what all of this retreaded material from his earlier books has to do with the Denisovans and the supposed subject of the current volume. Perhaps Collins started to realize the same thing because he tracks back to Göbekli Tepe to argue that parts of that site are also in a 4:3 ratio, which, rather than recognizing as a fairly common and aesthetically pleasing rectangular shape, he instead links to Pythagorean triangles and cosmic music. Therefore, he concludes, the site was actually meant to be a machine for generating terrific acoustics, and this knowledge of using stone to make pretty music “was carried from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic world of Anatolia into Egypt’s Nile Valley at a very early date.” He compares this to other fringy claims that various ancient stone buildings “resonate” at various frequencies to imagine a vast diffusion of secret sonic knowledge from Anatolia across the Old Word.
 
The fifth section of the book extends the geometry games further. Collins claims that an equilateral triangle drawn from the Second Pyramid at Giza to the Red Pyramid at Dashur and a limestone quarry used in pharaonic times can be bisected by a straight line drawn from Khafre’s pyramid to Helwan, the prehistoric site. Well, almost. It’s off by a degree, but what’s one degree between friends when your whole argument is that Egyptian architects were precise to a hundredth of an inch?
 
Based on his piles of overlapping triangles, Collins next argues that Heliopolis, the sacred heart of Egypt, was an interloper that “stole” the claim and history of the true genesis point of Egypt, Helwan. This leads to many chapters exploring, sometimes factually and sometimes speculatively, the sacred geography of ancient Egypt. I have no idea what this endless digression into mythology and etymology is meant to accomplish, since it has precious little tie to the overall thesis of the book except to attempt to link any and every mythic bird to Cygnus. By the end, this includes: swans, vultures, falcons, eagles, herons, the Roc, the bennu bird, and a generic “bird.” At some point, this becomes untenable. If it can be anything, then there is no way to distinguish factual connections from random speculation.
 
This leads into material about the Edfu Building Texts recycled from Collins’s own Gods of Eden, derived from Eve E. A. Reymond’s 1969 book The Mythical Origin of the Egyptian Temple. Beneath all of the blustery discussion, the salient point is that he wants us to take the texts literally when they say that all Egyptian temples are copies of pre-dynastic primeval originals from a now-destroyed island, thus allowing Collins to suggest that Egyptian culture came to Egypt from abroad, in the Neolithic, as a result of the Younger Dryas comet impact (the one no one has yet proved happened). Collins echoes Graham Hancock here, who delivered the same claim in Magicians of the Gods, and Hancock was in turn recycling material from Collins. He speculates that Egyptian knowledge of architecture and geometry and astronomy all came from Helwan, where a cult spent more than 6,000 years (9600 BCE to 3000 BCE) perfecting them without leaving behind much more than a trace of such knowledge. Imhotep supposedly had access to these teachings and used them to develop temples and the Step Pyramid.
 
Does this sound a bit like the medieval myth of Hermes preserving antediluvian knowledge in Egyptian temples and pyramids before the Flood? It should. Even though Collins avoids mentioning it, there are enough clues in his book to make manifest that this medieval legend is the ultimate source of his own speculation, and the framework that allowed him to slot all of history into a fictional narrative, even if we did not already know this from his previous books.
 
And those claims are a doozy! Collins and Hancock both agree that a wandering tribe of learned super-geniuses from Göbekli Tepe spread culture around the ancient Near East and were immortalized as the founders of the Egyptian temples, the Seven Sages, the Watchers, etc. etc. He argues for a connection between Göbekli Tepe and Egypt based on similarities that are hardly unique: orienting some structures to the north, using 3:2 ratios (though it was 3:4 that was so important earlier in the book), venerating the circumpolar stars, etc.
 
A sixth section tries to make something more of this than coincidence and the rather frequent cross-cultural interest in stars that never set. Not to belabor it, but Collins again resorts to recycling, recapping much of his own Cygnus Mystery (2006) and his book on Göbekli Tepe to argue for a massive Cygnus cult headed by adepts who passed on “starry wisdom.” Whether that phrase and earlier references to when stars or times “were right” is intentionally echoing H. P. Lovecraft, I cannot say. Instead, I will focus on the main claim, which is that Collins claims to trace a cosmological view that sees the sky as rotating around a cosmic axis and a swan as the guardian of such a pole back to Siberian shamanism and to Central Asia, which he connects to the homeland of the Aryans—sorry, Indo-Europeans—and the Bronze Age white-skinned mummies with European features found in China. He tries to make a case that Central Asia had a large and active lost white race who became the Indo-Europeans and the Yi people of southeast Asia. All of these groups, he says, centered around the Altai Mountains, where the Denisovans lived about 40,000 years earlier. Therefore, he says in triumph, it is not entirely speculation to suggest that a lost white race of giant Denisovan Nephilim interbred with dark-skinned humans to birth the Aryan race—sorry, Indo-Europeans—and invent high civilization. Oh, and of course this region was also the paradise of Shamballa, or Shangri-La, as well as Hyperborea.
 
What a shame that Heinrich Himmler missed out on all this by focusing on the Himalayas instead of the Altai Mountains as the homeland of the Aryan race.
 
Anyway, Collins thinks that Greek references to Hyperborea preserve a memory of the Denisovans because in Aelian’s On Animals 11.1, he quotes Hecataeus of Abdera to the effect that Apollo’s priests in Hyperborea were three brothers “six cubits in height” who could command swans. This, he says, is a recollection of Siberian shamans who worshiped Cygnus and whose high stature derived from their Denisovan ancestry. Far be it from me to complain, but the passage from Aelian, describing a temple, choruses of singers, etc. is far enough removed from shamanism that it would be difficult to draw conclusions, even if we do suspect shamanic influence on the priesthood.
 
The recourse to shamanism involves citing claims that the appearance of number like 72 and 432 in Siberian tradition is proof that (a) the Siberians inherited a prehistoric estimate of the precession of the equinoxes identifying one the motion of the stars as 71.6 years per one degree of a 360-degree circle and (b) encoded an approximation of it (72) in their rituals and myths. I discussed this six years ago, and my thoughts on it have not changed:
The fact is that the numbers they identified in myth have a much simpler explanation: they are all multiples of 2 and 3, the smallest numbers capable of generating complex multiples. We tend to think in tens because we use Arabic numerals, but this isn’t how ancient people thought. Early peoples, who did not use a decimal system, tended to use multiples of 2 and 3 because these were the easiest numbers for generating large multiples. We do not need to make recourse to the stars—much less astrological constellations not finalized in size, shape, or form until the Greeks—to explain them. Consider this: If we already believe the ancients had the 360 degree circle, why do we need precession to “explain” “precessional numbers” since they are all fractions of or multiples of the 360 degree circle?
​But all of this is dependent on the accuracy of one modern book by an Altaic novelist and spiritual writer, Nikolai Shodoev, and I have been unable to confirm that the elaborate calendrical system he describes is recorded in any other mainstream scholarly source.
 
Collins suggests, as Hancock has—based on the Hamlet’s Mill of Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend—that this ancient wisdom diffused Indo-European territories from Europe to India and also to some pre-Aryan cultures that were the first to inherit this wisdom, including the Sumerians and the people of Göbekli Tepe. Others, like the Chinese, he implies, gained the same knowledge secondhand from the first groups.
 
Having done all this, Collins then asks if we can assume that mere human beings—you know, the species that went to the moon and eradicated smallpox and invented the internet—were capable of inventing the ability to multiply groups of two and three, or to observe the stars. He says no and suggests that only Denisovans could have originated such advances. Not to put too fine a point on it, but he believes that the fact that Denisovan fossils are associated with early and advanced jewelry and needlework, and that 3% of Asian DNA can be traced to Denisovans means that these people bred their superior genes into anatomically modern humans and thus transferred genius through interbreeding.
 
From the slim evidence that Denisovans were a contributor to the early human story, Collins concludes that we can project Classical Greek accounts of Asian cults 40,000 years into the past to conclude that the Denisovans were giants who worshiped swans and were remembered accurately tens of thousands of years after their extinction, while the same Greeks couldn’t quite remember who the Mycenaeans were less than a thousand years before their own time, and had almost entirely forgotten the Minoans. Similarly, he attributes folktales of a swan maiden to Denisovans, as though swans and animal transformation stories were so rare that only a 40,000-year memory of strange white giants could explain them.
 
He also claims, based on a German genetic study of Denisovan DNA, that the Denisovans had “autistic” genes that made them mathematical savants. He claims, based on no evidence I know, that Denisovans had an alien, supernatural appearance: “their heads large and perhaps elongated, their jaws would have been of greater size, while their strange, eyes, deep eye sockets and thick brow ridges would have made them look just a little scary.” He compares them to the “largest” WWE wrestlers. No evidence of these traits exists; this is entirely speculation based on the robustness of the four known bone fragments. Certainly, there is not a lick of evidence for elongated skulls. Collins simply applies Ancient Aliens accounts of space aliens to the known features of other hominin species.
 
To cut the remainder short, Collins believes that the Denisovans were centered in the Ergaki mountains, which he feels were the natural feature that served as model for the pyramids of Egypt, Göbekli Tepe, and even the Hindu Mount Meru—the very axis of the world. He gives too much credence to a local legend that a giant sleeps under the earth. It’s so common a trope worldwide that it is almost quaint to see him try to argue that the story actually refers to robust Denisovans at 40,000 years’ remove.
 
And that’s it.
 
The book ends with no payoff and no conclusion, only speculation that the Denisovans invented math and swan-worship and passed that on to the humans who eventually colonized the Old World during a series of invasions from central Asia, culminating in the Indo-European colonization of Europe and South Asia. The claim is unproven, but also largely uninteresting. Beneath the layers of myth and occultism, there just isn’t much too it unless you are a Theosophist or astrologer and attach some sort of real meaning to the precession of the equinoxes and the perturbation of the spheres.
 
In this volume, Collins seems to be striving to be taken seriously. He does not mention the Nephilim or the Watchers by name, though they stand behind everything he says, and he studiously avoids all but sidelong references to high technology and lost civilizations. But the more seriously he wants to be taken, the more boring his book becomes, and the more obvious the lack of research and depth in his writing. His sources are almost uniformly old and out-of-date, many going back to Victorian times, and he seems incapable of critically assessing information, placing unusual levels of trust in others’ work.
 
The undercurrent, though, connecting the Denisovans to high culture and also to white skin and Indo-Europeans—which Collins never explicitly states, and often buries under conflicting and contradictory claims—is nevertheless disturbing. It’s another version of an old story, of a small, white elite, possessed of nearly supernatural powers, who seeded culture around the world. It’s another variation of the Watchers myth, this time with a non-human species substituting for the Fallen Angels, but run through the Victorian ideology that led to the modern myths of Atlantis, Mound Builders, Solutreans, etc.
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Scott Hamilton
1/25/2018 10:47:31 am

So where are the Denisovian buildings? Or quarries? At least in Collins’ previous versions of this theory he claimed the great lost builders were building somewhere obscure because they traveled all over the world, or that the building were destroyed by the YD comet impact. Not sure how he can argue that when the building should be 40,000 years old in Siberia.

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Machala
1/25/2018 11:30:19 am

To quote David Reich, a Harvard geneticist who led data analysis of the Denisovan genome, Denisovans are “a genome in search of an archaeological record,”

I find it hard to wrap my head around any of postulations by Collins regarding Denisovans, The whole imagination of these creatures is based solely on the scant DNA evidence, from Denisova Cave in Siberia’s Altai Mountains, was coaxed from one tiny pinkie finger fragment of a female child and a few molars - none of which can be carbon dated, due to their fragility. There is absolutely no way to conclude that these people were tool makers and/or craftsmen because the very cave where the fossils were found was also heavily used by Middle Paleolithic Neanderthal and modern Upper Paleolithic tradition humans. The artifacts found are attributable to those two groups[ ie.thick triangular stone points ( Neanderthal ) or slender blades, bone points, and beads (modern human ) ] but nothing definitive points to Denisovan "high culture".

While paleoanthropology is, by its very nature imaginative speculation, the realm the Mr. Collins and his ilk travel in, not only defies common sense and hard science but stretches beyond credulity and credibility. Denisovan Nephilim indeed !!

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Only Me
1/25/2018 12:06:36 pm

I'm amazed Collins could weave this narrative and come to the conclusions he's made based on a mere handful of bones and teeth from about four individuals. Top kek fringe at its finest.

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RobZ
1/25/2018 12:36:06 pm

Ah the Tragic Demise of the Denisovans. Remembered and revered in stone for 40.000+ years by all civilizations since the dawn of man. Only to be forgotten and completely erased from the record in the last 2000 years (except of course by a few misunderstood insiders privy to The Truth.)

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RobZ
1/25/2018 12:38:20 pm

The Truth (TM)

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Americanegro
1/25/2018 03:51:07 pm

Am I the only one who thinks the Denisovans sound like sex apes?

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Doc Rock
1/25/2018 04:25:40 pm

Not to defend the fringe folks, but sometimes I think they may feel that they can get away with some highly speculative "reconstructions" of the physical appearances of ancient populations because they see mainstream scholars doing the same thing from time to time. If one person can turn a handful of bone fragments into a full-scale reconstruction then anybody can may be the philosophy.

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A C
1/26/2018 08:12:32 am

Himmler didn't focus on the Himalayas, he was happy to place the mythical Ayran homeland in a variety of contradictory places. The SS/Ahnenerbe Himalaya expedition was more about its widespread appeal to the non-SS companies that actually controlled and funded it.

I don't know how Collins thinks he can get away with directly referencing Hypoborea without looking like a Neo-nazi Occultist but since these fringe writers do it all the time he may not even notice what he's doing any more.

I suppose one's Indiana Jones fantasies require the Nazis to be at least partly right so you can claim that your badly researched rants are somehow necessary to oppose 'the forces of evil'.

The idea that autistic genes make you a maths savant is just painful pseudo-science. I'm sure there are some people who want to be told that their disabilities means they have magic Watcher blood but I find someone using the daily difficulties of people like me as part of their master race fantasies pretty insulting.

72 as a sacred number in Judaism is clearly connected to the comparative uses of the number 70 in the earlier Ugaritic material (72 sons of Elohim in the bible vs 70 sons of El/Asherah in the Ugaritic corpus, deut. 32.8 in the Septuagint/dead sea scrolls connects that number back to the Table of Nations in Genesis 10 which is also around 71-3 depending on the version). Modern biblical studies is pretty divided as to whether 70 or 72 is the correct number since 70 also appears in Genesis 46:27 (which the Masoretic/King James version of deut. 32 refers back to) Exodus 24, made worse by the Table of Nations not having the actual advertised number of names on it. In turn 70 is probably just 7 times 10 because the west-semitic peoples knew very well that they had more than a one digit number's worth of gods.

At some point someone must have noticed they could get away with adding a lot more factors by changing a digit and then either forgot to edit every appearance of the number 70 or just decided that the rounded number was good enough.

In latter Rabbinic and Gnostic texts the number is much more consistent at 72 while the less numerology obsessed orthodox Christians lose interest until they start reading Cabala and produce stuff like the Ars Goetia. But Cabala isn't a unified system by any stretch so for any example of the number 72 you can find a rival cabalist who uses a different number. I'm sure someone who actually cared to do more than read wikipedia articles on cabala could demonstrate exactly how these numbers get produced for far from eternal reasons.

Mesopotamian cultures had their own idea of numbering the gods to a sacred figure, but were much less consistent as to what it was and their actual god lists are incredibly long and don't add up to anything convenient and regular. When there are thousands of cultures, finding the number 72 in a few disconnected ones is pretty meaningless.

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I like 137
1/26/2018 12:05:29 pm

The Nazis were in fact "partly right". The British had no reason or right to be in Dunkirk or the Low Countries. The illegal U.S. presence in Syria today is comparable. Hitler was trying to avoid war (not trying to avoid winning).

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Hanslune
1/28/2018 12:05:13 pm

Excellent review. 'Lots of speculation'. That book sound like a beacon highlighting the greatest fringe problem which is....

Coming up with new ideas. 'Publish or have-to-go-get-a-real-job', problem for fringe authors. They are really stretching now to come up with anything believable or remotely interesting.

I look forward to the Hobbits and Homo Erectus being the high technology behind the Denisovians.....

Thanks Jason

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Hanslune
1/28/2018 12:09:46 pm

Oh a suggestion Jason

How about writing a piece that shows all the changes to orthodoxy/mainstream archaeological science that have occurred since the 1960's based on brilliant fringe discoveries?

I mean would it be a long list?

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William John Meegan link
1/28/2018 03:50:39 pm

You seem to want to disparage Andrew Collins; but, but, you don't mention his great discovery of the bird caves in the Giza Pyramid Plateau, when thousands of expert archeologist and geologist never knew of the caves existence.

OMISSION OF FACTS IF FAKE NEWS. You are just another kind of left wing media. Saying only what you want to say to disparage someone.

If you were in a court of law and omitted to the truth you would go to prison for perjury.

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TonyFerrol
1/31/2018 01:12:19 pm

"You seem to want to disparage Andrew Collins; but, but, you don't mention his great discovery of the bird caves in the Giza Pyramid Plateau, when thousands of expert archeologist and geologist never knew of the caves existence."

That's funny....as Collins only knew about them because they were discovered by Salt and Caviglia in 1817. He saw them on a map they produced and went there....which Vyse and Perring also saw in 1837 and went there. Collins discovered nothing....he "rediscovered" what people had found already....an old tomb with a cave system behind it.

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William John Meegan
1/31/2018 01:46:02 pm

You are a great spin-doctor; because, you failed to mention that what Salt and Caviglia in 1817 wrote about were forgotten about and buried in the cellars of museums and Andrew Collins and his team rediscovered the caves.

What is wrong with facts. Does it all have to be spun based solely on your biases, prejudices and preconceived notions?

"There are three classes of people: those that see, those that see when shown and those that don't see." Attributed to Leonardo da Vinci.

Machala
1/31/2018 02:37:08 pm

We have a saying in my country that is pertinent to your defense of Sr. Collins.

Cuando todos dicen que eres asno, rebuzna y ponte rabo.

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Hanslune
1/31/2018 05:58:41 pm

Oh?

You said: "You seem to want to disparage Andrew Collins; but, but, you don't mention his great discovery of the bird caves in the Giza Pyramid Plateau, when thousands of expert archeologist and geologist never knew of the caves existence"

"His great discovery"

Oh he discovered them huh?

You are saying he discovered something discovered more than two centuries ago and noted in many articles. What he did was tout a not very important aspect of a sited loaded with important sites - that which was already known, not of any particularly scientific value - but interesting.

Why not got to Egypt and find an obscure tomb not visited since the early 19th century and declare you discovered it....lol

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Machala
1/28/2018 05:10:41 pm

Talk about FAKE NEWS ? You're really going to tell us that you believe the tripe put out by Collins and Graham Hancock as a real paleoarcheological discovery ?? I guess you must believe everything you see on FOXX news, as well ?

I'm sure, the reason Jason omitted dragging all that Peruvian guano into his review, was that it had absolutely NO relevance to his review of Collins' current sojourn into the world of the absurd. That is not " FAKE NEWS " just being a responsible critical writer - who, unlike Collins, stays on topic.

By the way, any first year law student will tell you omission of a topic is NOT Perjury. There would be a lot of prosecutors and defense attorneys in prison for omitting factoids, when making legal arguments that might be perceived as damaging to their case. While it may seem immoral, it's not in and of itself illegal. Perjury according to the U.S. Legal Code pertains to :
Whoever--
(1) having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or
(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.
( U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 79 › § 1621 )

Next time you open your big mouth, to make accusations, make sure you know what the hell your talking about !

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William John Meegan link
1/28/2018 08:12:30 pm

All Jason seem to want to do in writing his review was disgrace Andrew Collins; but, he failed miserably by notshowing Collins' accomplishments.

Robert Bauval came up with the theory of the Orion Constellation mirror-imaging the three pyramids on Giza Plateau Pyramid Complex

Andrew Collin came up with theory that Cygnus X-3 symbolized the Giza Plateau Pyramid Complex

I see that each of those theories was right; but, each was also wrong. I wrote a paper merging both their theories, which I believe is the final answer to how and why the Giza Plateau Pyramid Complex was created. https://www.slideshare.net/williamjohnmeegan/the-sphinx-and-the-giza-plateaus-pyramid-complexs-mysteries-solved

If it was not for both Robert Bauval's and Andrew Collin's intellectual work I would not have seen the whole problem.

NO, I don't believe in Graham Hancock's work per se; because, I believe his head is too much into drugs and all he does is drag up what other scholars had already written about. All he does is regurgitates it over and over and over again.

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Americanegro
1/29/2018 12:52:15 am

I thank Dog that you have finally come along and figured everything out.

RobZ
1/29/2018 05:50:50 am

Well, I've read the first 7 pages... and it's all gibberish to me.

And when I say ALL, I mean ALL.

I have no idea what you were trying to write.

I don't expect that piece of word salad will convince anyone.

William John Meegan
1/29/2018 08:12:32 am

Jason:

You cancelled me because I disagree with your article. You are literally telling everybody, it is your way or the highway? Good Grief you actually admitted being bias. GET A LIFE.

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Jason Colavito link
1/29/2018 09:01:12 am

How did I "cancel" you if you posted this? Weebly comments only have three levels of comment. After the third level of response, you can't respond again. It's the same for everyone. Go back up a level and click "reply" there.

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Hanslune
1/29/2018 09:55:48 am

Oh dear God

Yes I read a bit of William's material. First, I do congratulate you for putting up your materials, many do not. Secondly, it is formatted badly, use paragraphs and skip a line. Thirdly, its all dots, lots and lots of dots.

We cannot of course discuss your ideas in this comment section. If you'd like to have knowledgeable people review your idea may I suggest you post your ideas and materials at the Hall of Ma'at?

http://www.hallofmaat.com/list.php?6

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William John Meegan
1/29/2018 02:01:38 pm

I did not mention my idea to have anyone comment on them. I merely wanted to show what Jason was failing to mention in his review.

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Hanslune
1/29/2018 04:31:09 pm

Yes, what a radical bad boy I am eh? lol

See you at the Hall of Ma'at shall we?

Machala
1/29/2018 03:23:33 pm

" I did not mention my idea to have anyone comment on them..."

William John Meegan,

If you didn't want to invite commentary, and/or a critique of your blog, why did you post the link ??

¡A cada necio agrada su porrada!


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William John Meegan
1/29/2018 03:49:00 pm

Common sense demands that conflicting comments made should be back up with some kind of evidence illustrating what is being said.

If I did not show some kind of evidence of what I was saying I would have been reprimanded for omitting to do so.

You seem to be suggesting that all this has to do with the Catch-22 scenario: i.e. a person is wrong if he or she does it and wrong if he or she doesn't do it. CREATING A STATE OF CONFUSION.

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Americanegro
1/29/2018 04:07:44 pm

You saying stuff and backing it up by pointing to other stuff you've said isn't "evidence" it's just you saying more stuff.

Russell
2/16/2018 01:01:29 am

Dear Jason,

Could you approximate the amount of this book which really deals specifically with Denisovans and any evidence of a connection to the culture of Modern Humans? I have been wondering for a while just how much of this book could possibly be about this when there is so little to go on.

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Chris Ogilvie-Herald
5/8/2018 07:09:40 am

Megan, just so the correct credit is given. The Cave of the Birds was re-identified by Nigel Skinner-Simpson (an historical researcher) who in turn alerted it's position to Andrew Collins. It's through reading the works of Salt and Caviglia along with Vyse and Perring that Sinner -Simpson was able to inform Collin's of it's position.

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Jaroslav Kukla
8/13/2018 08:05:19 pm

Andrew Collins is great researcher and writer,unfortunateky,with dome great errors in his books.The Cygnus Key us no exception,a "rush to judgement" book...Therefore,he needs to write yet another book," The Key to the Cygnus Key", which is CygnusX1-Black hole,also known in ancient world,as Yama.He never mention this name not even once,for not the Cygnus constellstion is the " key", but CygnusX1-the Swan/ black hole,or Yama is the KEY to the Swan constellation and as path of the human souls! The physical laws of our galaxy confirms it, all gravitate to the ( nearest) black hole! He actually points it out,but by the same old " mythology" as was used in Hamlet's Mill,in 1968, to call it " vortex or whirpool" and so on...A newcomer into the astronomies gets quickly lost in his terms and names of this important region of Cygnus constellation! Furthermore,the Cygnus constellation has in total, 81 stars,not just the main 9, and reader should know it!

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H Mead-Parks link
8/11/2019 09:01:21 pm

Sorry to throw a spanner in your moving wheel...
The ancient Bennu-Crane-Heron, Grus, Ibis and once called Phoenixoptera is a constellation shaped very similar to Cygnus.

Now known as Grus - it has a "bent back wing" (which was the fourth black pyramid on Giza) and happens to have its "sharp beak in the fish" (Pisces). The word Oxyrhynchus means "sharp beak in fish" and is situated on the shores of old Al Faiyoum.. The Sea.

In ancient days that area known as The Sea in the skies includes all the nautical named constellations.

The long "legs" of Grus go underground from the Cave of the Bennu Bird to Bucegi to end at the Giants Base there.

Giza is designed on the Bennu Bird - when Giza was in the south, before a "perfect flip". There are a few other pointers to Giza having been in the south, such as SUMER meaning "south sea" and Denderah zodiac with Leo joined Virgo meaning Virgo as spring and Leo as the last month of a year. Penu pronounced "Bennu" means "land in the south".
Problem with that is Spring-Virgo is in the south.

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drew hempel link
6/6/2020 09:47:41 am

Jason - since you want to dismiss Andrew Collins emphasize on the music ratios 2:3 and 3:4 as inverse opposites - you might want to first consider Fields Medal math professor Alain Connes' lecture on music theory as the secret of the unified field reality aka noncommutative geometry as relativistic quantum biology. Connes sums up his theory as (2, 3, infinity).
Sounds rather primitive right? haha. Or maybe you've just been brainwashed by Western symmetric math logic (commutative).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIziuv-WLMM
That's the link to Connes' music lecture on the secret of (2, 3, infinity) - which debunks your claim. thanks

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    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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