Right from the beginning, the show wrongly identifies Atlantis as “the city of the future,” which is not what Plato writes. (As we’ll see later, Shatner’s narration is meant to tie Atlantis to, of all things, EPCOT Center at Disney World, a project of the History Channel’s ultimate parent company, Disney.) Shatner asserts that Atlantis might have flown off into the sky, which is again not a Greek story but one proposed by sister show Ancient Aliens back in 2010. The History Channel fever swamp is now self-referential and mutually reinforcing.
The usual History Channel loons are on, with depressing familiarity, along with Richard Freund, who proposed in a National Geographic documentary a much-criticized claim that Atlantis was the biblical Tarshish and located in Spain, is on. Jonathan Young, ancient astronaut theorist from Ancient Aliens is on. Lynn Picknett, Templar conspiracy theorist from Ancient Aliens is on. Andrew Collins, a lost civilization conspiracy theorist, is on. Nephilim-giant conspiracy theorist Hugh Newman from Ancient Aliens and Search for the Lost Giant was on. William Henry from Ancient Aliens is on to claim that space aliens “mated” with human women and engaged in “genetic engineering.” The various ignoramuses, liars, and grifters repeat Plato’s account of Atlantis and then compare Atlantis to Troy, the city that had never really been lost but which Heinrich Schliemann convinced the world only he had ever taken seriously. “Every metaphor has at its base a nucleus of historical information,” Freund lies. He is obviously wrong since there are some ancient “metaphors” that are obviously untrue: Euhemerus’ Panchaea, Lucians’s voyage to the moon. There is no reason to assume Atlantis is true without assuming the others are true, too. The show calls Atlantis: The Antediluvian World author Ignatius Donnelly an “amateur scientist”—he was actually a congressman and never claimed to be a scientist—and exaggerates his “obsession” with Atlantis to propose that he was a sort of sainted ancestor to today’s internet obsessives. He spent only a couple of years of his life on Atlantis. He was much more interested in the question of who really wrote Shakespeare’s plays, and, of course, scheming for political power. The show’s second segment recaps Freund’s Atlantis-in-Spain hypothesis and the 2011 documentary (and 2017 recycling) but fails to acknowledge adequately Spanish archaeologists’ condemnation of Freund’s deceptive ideas and what they considered unethical behavior. Then in the third segment Shatner recycles claims about Atlantis you previously saw on a 2014 episode of In Search of Aliens about Peter Daughtrey’s claim that Atlantis is in Portugal. I read Daughtrey’s book about it in 2013 and considered it so poorly reasoned and so lacking in evidence that I didn’t find it worthy to review. And yet it keeps coming back. As I said in 2014, “Daughtrey’s ideas are simply efforts to correlate various facets of Plato with his preferred location for Atlantis, ignoring what he doesn’t like.” We also hear about the 2015 news report that orichalcum had been found, and Freund giggles like Jerry Lewis, telling us, basically, “Hey, lady! We found it!” Except what they found was a Greco-Roman brass known as orichalcum in later Antiquity, while Plato used the word to refer to a mythological substance, second in value only to gold, that was rather obviously not a copper-zinc alloy like the one found in Sicily in 2015. The next segment discusses so-called prophet Edgar Cayce’s “prophecies” and his visions of an advanced Atlantis with death rays. The show declines to note that Cayce himself literally cited his claims to Theosophical sources and the book Dweller on Two Planets (reading 364-1). Andrew Collins tries to make the case that his own Atlantis book is correct at Atlantis is in Cuba. The evidence he offers is that Cuban cave art has circles in it and Atlantis was a circle. Oh, the tingles! Collins claims that in 1552 Francisco López de Gómara claimed that Native Americans had a tradition in Cuba that the Caribbean islands had all split from a lost continent and were therefore Atlantis. He actually said this: “But there is now no cause why we should any longer doubt or dispute of the Island Atlantide, forasmuch as the discovering and conquest of the west Indies do plainly declare what Plato hath written of the said lands. In Mexico also at this day they call that water Atl, [by the half name of Atlantis,] as by a word remaining of the name of the Island that is not” (trans. Richard Eden). He was also writing of Mexico. Not the same. We also get the usual fringe claim that the end of the Ice Age flooded Atlantis when the glaciers raised the ocean levels. Of course, that didn’t happen in a day and a night, so Plato is wrong in order to be right. The next segment just outright presents the ancient astronaut theory and alleges (in the form of a question that is not really a question) that Atlantis was founded and ruled by space aliens. The show makes much of Atlantis being founded by a god, but it omits the obvious that every Greek city claimed a divine or heroic founder. Athens had its patron, Athena, for example. The B-roll confuses Atlas, the son of Poseidon, with the Titan Atlas who held up the heavens. Shatner, who narrated UFO documentaries long before I was born, calls the ancient astronaut theory “fascinating,” and then Henry repeats the Ancient Aliens claim that Atlantis was an E.T. mothership that flew into the sky. Obviously, Plato can’t be telling the truth if this “audacious” idea were true, which gets back into the trap of admitting that Plato was wrong in some measures and therefore can’t be reliable in others. The final segment describes the Walt Disney’s Company’s EPCOT Center, originally envisioned as a prototype utopian city. Because it was based on a ring-and-spoke model (like Paris), the show claims Disney wanted to build “a modern-day Atlantis, perhaps without realizing it.” This has nothing to do with Atlantis as a historical place, any more than the Atlantis theme park in the Bahamas “speaks to the power of those models of utopian society” and the “elusive goal for mankind to achieve” that the show alleges—falsely—Plato’s Atlantis represents. Remember, Atlantis was the enemy in Plato’s stories, the evil example of a failed, corrupt state. Zeus literally plans its destruction in a story clearly borrowed from the Near East Flood Myth—you know, the one where God wipes away all the evil and corruption from the world to start anew. This is not an ideal to strive for, and had the brain trust behind this show and Ancient Aliens read Plato, they might have realized that. But it’s probably about right for the History Channel to lust after an imagined golden age that never was in a warlike failed imperial state with divine pretentions. It’s very on-brand.
46 Comments
Imperio - Atlantis (1996)
1/23/2021 10:56:07 am
Imperio - Atlantis (1996)
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Thank you Jason for the review. It is so disappointing. Ancient aliens and Edgar Cayce. Isn't it obvious that even the creators of this show do not believe in the possibilty of Atlantis as a real place? Because they have no clue of reading and interpreting ancient texts. It's only about modernist nonsense. Obviously, Plato's original text is completely hidden behind a curtain of utter nonsense. And isn't it funny that Freund accepts the description "metaphor" for Atlantis? Doesn't it become quite clear that also he is not convinced, but just plays a game? I never would accept "metaphor" or "allegory" as acceptable descriptions of Plato's Atlantis story.
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Brian
1/23/2021 12:33:08 pm
Media: Here, think this.
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Doug
2/19/2021 08:12:38 pm
I believe you mean same exact tactic used by CNN, CBS, ABC, Bisen, Harris, Pelosi, AOC, we al.
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Crash55
1/23/2021 03:13:40 pm
I don’t understand the fascination with Atlantis, it is obvious it was meant as an allegory and not a real place.
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Crash55, "I don’t understand the fascination with Atlantis, it is obvious it was meant as an allegory and not a real place."
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Crash55
1/25/2021 08:55:35 am
T Franke,
Kent
1/25/2021 11:49:24 am
I will accept that Plato doesn't actually say Atlantis is an allegory (any more than the Lord of the Rings or Winnie the Pooh) which is by no means probative, but he does explicitly state early on that it's a story about a story about someone telling someone a story.
Crash55, it is true, the Atlantis "finders" can rarely present real finds. More often than not they are quite happy that their Atlantis is buried under mud and sand and in deep sea. So they do not have to go into details.
Kent, as does Herodotus. And Plato does this, too, in other contexts, where he e.g. points to Pythagoreans he got to know indirectly via friends from / in Southern Italy. And such literary devices had not been developed and established as fiction signals, in Plato's times. Have you ever read any ancient Greek historian or geographer? They are full of such statements. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Crash55
1/25/2021 07:17:00 pm
T Franke,
Danie
1/23/2021 03:50:41 pm
C'mon now, everyone knows that Atlantis didn't take off from Earth, it landed on Earth, the Pacific Ocean to be specific. But, it can cloak so no one can see it.
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The Rooster
1/23/2021 04:46:18 pm
OMG!
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The Rooster
1/23/2021 06:20:37 pm
Yeah? In hindsight? Levenda is a Stud.
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The Rooster
1/23/2021 06:48:56 pm
Let's give it it up for Pete!
Clete
1/23/2021 11:16:44 pm
There is actually something that is more un-explained. How is it that William Shatner keeps finding work?
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Doc rock
1/24/2021 10:09:13 am
Star of a legendary TV series who has had repeated success on TV and the big screen for the last 50 years. Has nailed down the voice and dramatic delivery needed to sell bullshit ancient aliens narratives. Appeals to an older conservative crowd but will happily appear on Howard Stern and do petty humor.
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Anthony G.
1/25/2021 02:57:17 pm
You are leaving out "The Twilight Zone" appearance, "T. J. Hooker" and most iconic of all "Halloween". The signature Michael Myers mask is actually a William Shatner mask.
Doc rock
1/25/2021 08:19:22 pm
Anthony
Kent
1/25/2021 10:45:17 pm
@Anthony Warren: the "Twilight Zone" appearanceS.
Jim
1/24/2021 10:36:45 am
He must be still popular due to his masterful performance as Ranger Bob in the1954 series, the Howdy Doody show.
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Machala
1/24/2021 11:02:30 am
That was actually Bob Smith who played Buffalo Bob, and Bob Keeshan played Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show before going on to become Captain Kangaroo.
RCMP Officer Obvious
1/24/2021 11:32:03 am
How long before Joe Kent points out that Shatner is Canadian and tries to tie it to Justin Trudeau wearing blackface 20 years ago?
Jim
1/24/2021 04:23:35 pm
Machala, I was going by IMDb :
Iron E.
1/24/2021 10:57:35 am
" The various ignoramuses, liars, and grifters..."
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Rock Knocker
1/24/2021 11:26:06 am
It’s been years since I read Plato, but wasn’t he using “Atlantis” as an allegory about national/city state pride? I’m not sure its existence was ever meant to be taken seriously....not that the HC takes it very seriously here (I only managed to get through the first 20 minutes myself).
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Rock Knocker, since you asked: The Atlantis story is not presented as an allegory by Plato. You may still think that it is meant as one, but different to other allegories Plato does not say so.
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1/24/2021 05:04:41 pm
Always found it fascinating how, after nearly a millennia, Atlantis suddenly morphed from Plato's description of a decadent but still mighty ancient society (although tiny Athens kicked their butts before Zeus punched their final ticket) to a society far more technologically advanced than even our present one.
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Frank
1/25/2021 10:26:59 am
Atlantis, Atlantis, come out wherever you are!
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Bob Jase
1/25/2021 06:23:32 pm
Why not search for the ancient Athens of 15000 years BC that was supposedly Atlantis' great enemy? We know where Athens is & always has been so finding it should be easy & would confirm Plato's story. Mebbe because ancient Athens of 150000 years BC is known to be fiction?
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Bob Jase, sure. There was nothing. Absolutely correct.
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Frank
1/26/2021 12:37:38 pm
Thorwald, have you sold many of your books on Atlantis and Siracusa? You seem to know a great deal on Atlantis. And not only on what Plato intended, but also you propose to know on just about everyone who has had an hypothesis on the whereabouts of Atlantis, whether the hypothesis was a serious one or not.
According to Plato, especially Egypt is still there, because it alone did not suffer from a catastrophe, as do all others from time to time. Yes, all others, in the eyes of Plato: "Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education" (Timaeus 23a). And Egypt preserved the story of Atlantis in written form. That is at least the assumption made in the narration by Plato.
Barbara Lee (Duncan) West
1/25/2021 08:22:59 pm
I would rather believe Atlantis was James Churchward's "The lost Continent of MU". In his book, he mentions the Basque and others who were dispersed around the world having similar languages - including the Irish... I'll have to read more. Anyway, I'm Scots-Irish - DNA is R1b, same as the Basque..
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Barbara West
2/11/2021 10:54:05 pm
Star Trek and Shatner, the Actor. When it first came on I watched every episode. Hank Scarborough at 13 (6' tall and 180 lbs. was his double and my boyfriend when I was 12, and living in Arkansas. For my health we left Arkansas and moved to California. I had Asthma very bad.
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Frank
1/27/2021 05:41:04 pm
@T.Franke
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Kent
1/28/2021 08:20:43 am
"Everybody wants to see his pet theory in Plato as enoblement."
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Kent
1/28/2021 01:25:20 pm
This reminds me of something from back when I was reading Col. Jeff Cooper because as everyone knows, I am super tough.
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Frank, why do you pretend that you don't know how I interpret the 9,000 years of Atlantis? If you need help, just watch
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Frank
2/6/2021 11:05:57 am
Thorwald, sorry for not promptly responding, but I was busy interpreting what I was pretending. First, I'm glad you are here, because it's hard to find anyone here that will take Plato's Atlantis story as one of fact, and not fiction. But let me reiterate the point of my suggestion to you, about your own website. Open it up to a forum of discussion, much like here, if you want to see how others view your hypothesis, and what is logically wrong with it. But with that, I still think that you should frequent this very popular, and successfully forum. Because, if the mountain does not come to you, by all means, come to the mountain.
Frank: "Plato's story of Atlantis is either entirely true, or one entirely fictitious. There is no in-between to be had here."
Tom M
2/1/2021 12:04:14 am
In 1966 I was 7 years old. I vividly remember watching Captain Kirk for the very first time and thinking I wanna be this guy! Smart, handsome, not afraid to kick some alien ass if need be, and always a ladies man. A real take charge man of action. Then came the mostly awful movies where his toupee looked more like a squirrel napping on his head than real hair. He got old and fat. And Bill Shatner the man, according to those that worked with him, was an egotistical ass hole. Now, at nearly 90 I watch him ham it up on this show and it’s painful to watch. And next month he and Giorgio Tsoukalos will host Ancient Aliens together!. Is there no end to the madness? Some people really do live too long. I guess what I’m saying is, for a 7 year old boy, Kirk was my James Dean. And although I understand Kirk and Shatner are not the same. I can’t see one without the other. There’s something to be said for your childhood TV heroes living too long. Do you ever wonder what James Dean would have become had he lived? Even Marlon Brando was a shadow of his former self in his later years. Ever see The Island of Dr Moreau? It’s painful.
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2/1/2021 09:52:52 am
It's funny how our impressions develop out of the period when we first encounter someone. I am young enough that the first Brando movie I watched actually was "The Island of Dr. Moreau," when I was teenager, and I can't really think of him as anything other than a weird old man in a muumuu, no matter what else I later saw.
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Barbara West
2/11/2021 11:35:46 pm
I was 14 when James Dean died. I lived in San Jose, California, and my neighbors were at the race track when they got the news.
Barbara West
2/11/2021 11:17:45 pm
I thought Shatner was the cutest guy around. Then I worked for Bell Helicopter in Mirabel, Canada and had to take the daily jabs and remarks about us "stupid" Americans. They all considered themselves to be "10's. I thought they were lucky to be a "4".
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Tom M
2/1/2021 02:06:48 pm
I’m in no way suggesting Bill Shatner is on par with James Dean or Marlon Brando. Only that to a 7 year old boy, Shatner’s Kirk was larger than life.
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