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Robbie Graham Suggests 1980 UFO Movie Might Be Mormon Propaganda

5/18/2018

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​I received some bad news yesterday. One of the country’s top literary agents had asked to read my mound builder manuscript, but told me that he couldn’t possibly sell it to publishers because no mainstream publisher would take on a book with a topic like that. Now, I know this is not true since Doubleday is publishing The Secret Token by Andrew Lawler in a few weeks, and that book is an almost mirror image of my own, except on the topic of Roanoke instead of mounds. Though now that I think about it, Lawler does offer some words condemning mainstream historians, so perhaps that is my problem. I am relating history rather than attacking it. Whatever the problem, it is depressing to be told time and again how much educated people love my writing but that it can never be published because the public would never buy it. I haven’t decided what to do with the book. It seems like a waste to let it sit unread, but it is also rather pointless to give it to some small press where it will never be seen. 
​Today, though, I’d like to talk about Robbie Graham’s new article at Mysterious Universe examining a forgotten B-movie from 1980 called Hangar 18. The movie Is a dramatization of a UFO conspiracy theory. In the film, astronauts aboard the space shuttle collide with an unidentified object, which the U.S. government later recovers. The object is a space ship in which dead human-like aliens are found, along with inscriptions in ancient alphabets used on Earth. The conclusion is that ancient aliens founded Earth’s civilizations and were worshiped as gods, and, once the inscriptions are translated, the movie’s scientists learn that they plan to return. They try to destroy all the evidence by blowing up the ship and all witnesses, but the ship turns out to be indestructible. Witnesses hiding in the ship then go public with the news.
 
The movie was one of the first featured on Mystery Science Theater, in 1989, during the its KTMA run.
 
Graham thinks this movie is really important, even though it self-evidently is not. He sees it as important because 1980 was the same year that Charles Berlitz (yes, him again) published the first popular account of the so-called Roswell Incident, and it was the year of the MJ-12 hoax.  Graham believes that this is not entirely a coincidence, and he imagines that the movie presaged events in which Ancient Aliens pundit Linda Moulton Howe allegedly participated:
Hangar 18’s depiction of human-looking extraterrestrials is particularly interesting, as is the idea that these beings jumpstarted the human race—these very same details were to appear three years later in a “secret” Air Force report shown to UFO writer and journalist Linda Moulton Howe as part of her preparation for a documentary on UFOs. […] Most shocking to Howe was a paragraph that said the extraterrestrials had manipulated DNA in an evolving primate species to create Homo sapiens. Elsewhere in the document it was noted that the ETs had created a being on Earth whose purpose was to teach humans about love and non-violence.
​That person was, of course, Jesus.
 
Graham actually provides the correct solution to the problem in his article but chooses to ignore it. The production company behind Hangar 18 was Sunn Classic Pictures, which is the same company that produced Alan Landsburg’s and Rod Serling’s string of UFO documentaries in the 1970s that were inspired by Chariots of the Gods, including In Search of Ancient Astronauts and The Outer Space Connection. Hangar 18 was nothing but a dramatization of these films, drawing on their material and recasting it in fictitious form. While Sunn Classic was not the producer of the Golden Globe-nominated 1974 Serling film UFOs: Past, Present and Future, the plot of Hangar 18 is basically cribbed from that one, with added background from Sunn’s back catalog. The film had been released in 1979 and seems to be the motivating factor for Hangar 18.
 
Graham speculates that the movie was actually a propaganda effort by the Mormon church to indoctrinate audiences into the Mormon belief in space aliens from the planet Kolob. Sunn Classic was founded in Utah and run by Mormons, and much of its output involved Biblical material, but this is an odd claim because Mormons have never emphasized space aliens as a key element of their faith, and the ancient astronaut theory’s attribution of New World antiquities to aliens directly contradicts the Book of Mormon’s claims that the Jews built them. Nevertheless, Graham writes:
The key question relating to Sunn Classic Pictures (and one that, for now, remains unanswered) is this: was the studio’s alien-themed output simply a reflection of Mormon ideals and beliefs held by the studio’s core writers/producers/directors (as well as an attempt on their part to cash in on the ever-popular subject of UFOs), or, was it a more lofty strategy on the part of Mormon Church itself to subtly educate the public about an aspect of the Mormon faith which, in the century of the UFO, was becoming both increasingly taboo and increasingly relevant (i.e. life on other planets and its possible links to humanity)?
​I’m going to say no. The first alien documentary they released, In Search of Ancient Astronauts was not even their own. It was a recut version of a European documentary based on Chariots of the Gods to which Sunn had happened to have the rights because it distributed the European version in America in 1970. The subsequent films in Serling’s and Landsburg’s series were similarly adapted from ancient astronaut literature. Serling was Jewish, and the films that were released under Sunn Classic’s banner were actually produced by Landsburg’s Alan Landbsburg Productions.
 
The only conspiracy involved was the conspiracy to make money exploiting the Chariots of the Gods craze in every way possible. Hangar 18 was a little Close Encounters, a dash of Capricorn One, and a steaming pile of 1970s ancient astronaut documentaries. I don’t think we need to layer on a Mormon conspiracy to explain that.
62 Comments
Hal
5/18/2018 08:55:17 am

You are a self published author already. What’s the problem?

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Smitch
5/18/2018 04:15:16 pm

Do you ever get tired of being a tedious little snot? Do you know how funny it is that Jason is living rent-free in your "brain"? Given the apparent size of that brain, is there room for any other little obsession?

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Hal
5/18/2018 06:53:10 pm

Nope, I’m good. Thanks.

Hal 2
5/18/2018 09:01:45 am

Why would a self-proclaimed “bestselling author” have trouble finding a publisher?

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Graham
5/18/2018 09:06:25 am

I agree with you. Hangar 18 was simply the distillation of everything that had come before it. Sadly it did provide the template for the later iterations of the Roswell Myth, Abductions et al in the same way that The Andromeda Strain provided the inspiration for the Dulce Mountain story.

But as to Mormon propaganda hiding as sci-fi, where do you think Battlestar Glactica came from...

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Jason Colavito link
5/18/2018 09:40:57 am

I certainly didn't say there were no Mormon references in sci-fi! But there is probably a difference between "inspiration," "allusion," and "propaganda."

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crowfoot
5/21/2018 05:40:37 pm

Why don't you publish it Canada? Canadians as a whole are better educated and less likely to follow crap science. If I were a betting man I would say you would do quite well publishing your books here.

Mary Baker
5/18/2018 09:32:33 am

LDS writers seem to have a knack for sci-fi and fantasy. This, IMHO, is not propaganda. It is more a function of of a theology which is enthusiastic about the possible existence of extraterrestrials. That is deeper within their belief system (Pearl of Great Price), and often denied.

The LDS propaganda is more frequently based on hyperdiffusionist beliefs http://www.ancientamerican.com/index.html Wayne May is LDS. Which, again, brings us back to the reason why your book is "unpublishable". Fear of offending.

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Jwk
5/18/2018 09:52:13 am

If it’s fear, it’s fear of not selling many. But it isn’t fear. Only a couple hundred copies would sell. Jason will self publish and sell to people here. Maybe 200 copies. Probably less than 200 because most of you won’t buy it.

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Machala
5/18/2018 02:49:36 pm

JWK - You're right. Publishers don't give a damn if the public is "offended" by an author, so long as the public buys the book and the publishing house makes a profit.

A literary agent ( one step above a theatrical agent - which isn't saying much ) is also looking at the bottom line and their commission. They aren't going to represent something that's not going to sell, anymore than publishers are going to print something that won't move.

The dilemma faced by any writer of non-fiction is how make their work "readable" - enjoyable, informative but not pedantic, and thought provoking. The work has to not only appeal to a prospective reader/purchaser's interest but hold that interest.

Ask yourself, Jason, - or better yet, ask others, - does my work pass the 'scan test' ? Will an agent, publisher, or prospective reader, after skimming through or reading a brief synopsis of the book, want to read it completely ? There are very few non-fiction books that can hold a reader's attention cover to cover.

Don't compare your work to others who are writing what can best be called speculative non-fiction ( or in many cases, speculative fiction under the guise of factual reportage ). If your book is a true historical look at the Mound Builders in America, than you may have a limited audience in a niche market.
The problem that most writers with an academic bent have is attracting a broader readership - writing for the general public, if you will. You can write on any topic but if you want it to be published and to sell books, then you have to be able to appeal to the widest demographic possible.
This is the mindset of the publishing houses.

DPBROKAW
5/18/2018 03:46:48 pm

Machala - Being seen on TV sure doesn’t hurt. I saw Jason on a show about UFO conspiracies or some other nonsense. It got me curious enough to look Jason up online mistky because I despise these carpet baggers trying to fleece the public with their nonsense. It heartens me whenever I see someone talk sense out of the TV. I’d be interested in reading Jason’s works/books. But unfortunately it’s almost a battle of “them against us”. These UFOLOGISTS are entrenched now, partly due to the fact the genuine geologists, scientists and anybody with an education that knows better refused to contradict those spoutining nonsense. Most thought it wasn’t worth the air to try and talk to theses nutcases. Now there everywhere and they have our children’s interests. I’m grown with grandkids and my eldest grandson (23) is in college. He tells me some of the ideas going around these days and it depresses me. Somewhere along the way we forgot to teach them critical thinking skills.

Joe Scales
5/18/2018 11:03:28 am

"I am relating history rather than attacking it."

Well, there's the rub right there. Leave relating history to the historians.

Ramp up the attacks on the fringe, add big pictures and make it a coffee table book.

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Jason Colavito link
5/18/2018 12:21:48 pm

Many of the best history books were written by non-historians. "Presidential historian" John Meacham has a bachelor's degree and worked as a journalist. "Historian" Barbara Tuchman was proud of the fact that she did not have an advanced degree in history.

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Joe Scales
5/18/2018 02:04:40 pm

The difference there being their subject matter. War and presidents are things people want to read about. Mounds, not so much. It was their subject matter and artistry that worked together to make them popular authors. Not that I was even on you for not having some sort of degree in History. It was more of a suggestion to leave the more mundane for those of whom it might interest.

Jason Colavito link
5/18/2018 03:55:23 pm

While the content is about the mound builders, the actual book itself is directly about the U.S. presidents who were involved in utilizing he myth to justify Indian Removal and the Indian Wars. The book revolves around figures like Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and various U.S. leaders in government, science, and religion.

E.P. Grondine
5/19/2018 08:43:09 am

Hi Jason -

"While the content is about the mound builders, the actual book itself is directly about the U.S. presidents who were involved in utilizing he myth to justify Indian Removal and the Indian Wars. The book revolves around figures like Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and various U.S. leaders in government, science, and religion."

They say a book takes on a life of its own, and with its change in theme clearly yours is now doing that.

You tend to bounce off on tangents, and your book is now growing to cover a vast extent.Using the Presidents and removal as a unifying theme may work.

Lawler is primarily a writer, who worked many years as a journalist developing his writing skills.

If you can explain to your book's readers how so much of the nonsense they have been told came about, and do it in an easy to understand way, using large type and lots of pictures,
then perhaps some people will read it.

My advice is to go with Print on Demand, and if your book does well with that, then someone may pick it up. How to reach your market, or how to make yourself visible to your market, is another question.

Hal
5/18/2018 01:03:07 pm

Joe is right. Since Jason is only partially educated that’s his ticket.

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David Bradbury
5/18/2018 03:19:35 pm

Everybody who has ever lived or ever will live is only partially educated.

Hal
5/18/2018 03:43:35 pm

So why didn’t you make that same comment when Jason used the same term to discredit someone?

David Bradbury
5/18/2018 06:27:21 pm

Because, dearest heart, Jason's use of "partially" referred back to the book title "Bureau of American Ethnology: A Partial History" earlier in the same blog entry, which allowed it to pass as an attempt at humour.

Hal
5/18/2018 06:56:22 pm

Gee, his words, “the partially educated Emmert” is exactly what you quoted! Great example of how you just lie.

David Bradbury
5/18/2018 07:04:30 pm

Which "you"?

DPBROKAW
5/18/2018 02:23:45 pm

Getting a book published is not easy I’m told. I don’t write, but have a friend that did. His first experience with the whole process definitely left him frustrated. He told me that unless you have previously written books/articles, or are famous it’s hard. Also Jason, where did you write that you were a best selling author? I found statements you made that you had written books that had been published, but didn’t catch the “best selling author “ phrase. Maybe I’m wrong. Be nice to be a best selling author I’d imagine!

I don’t remember ever watching Hanger 18, but I used to like watching yhose old UFO adventure type movies. Good and bad. But they were movies. Meant to entertain and most important, make money. I’m sure that some conspiracies that people are throwing around life confetti these days may have some truth to them. But this was just a fucking movie!!

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Hal
5/18/2018 03:20:56 pm

For years Jason claimed to be a bestselling author here and on Wikipedia. The claim was deleted by the wiki editors. Go to the way back machine on archive dot org to see his claim on this website and click on the Wikipedia history page on him.

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DOBROKAW
5/18/2018 04:00:59 pm

You went to all that trouble because you read somewhere in the past that Jason claimed to be a best selling author?! If Jason wants to give you the time of day and argue with you, but that’s his business. My point is that if you go to Georgia tsoukalos or Hutton Pulitzer web site (or just about anybody in the pseudo-everything community) you will find falsehoods in most of their bios if not all. And I don’t believe for one second that anyone from Wikipedia changed his bio. You might agree with Jason, but he has integrity. Especially if he makes a mistake. He always acknowledges it and makes the appropriate changes. Look that up in Way-Back

Hal
5/18/2018 04:13:37 pm

Total BS. I know who first put up his Wikipedia page. They copied the bio from Jason’s website bio. Read the history on his page. After Wikipedia editors changed his bestselling author claim Jason changed his bio here. That and a dozen other false claims he’s made are on the members forum of AO. He tries to bury this stuff but he exaggerates himself. Publishers know that too.

David Bradbury
5/18/2018 06:42:18 pm

"copied the bio from Jason’s website bio"
Yes, honeybun, that's why the original version of the Wikipedia entry specifically and openly cited Jason's bio as a source. When the "bestselling" claim was removed four days later (because, as I pointed out earlier, Amazon bestseller lists are not archived, so there was no longer a primary source), "Mr X" did not attempt to reinstate it.

David Bradbury
5/18/2018 07:02:53 pm

"That and a dozen other false claims he’s made are on the members forum of AO. "
- is itself a false claim.

An Anonymous Nerd
5/18/2018 10:09:10 pm

To say the claim was there for years on the Wikipedia is actually demonstrably wrong.

Per the Wikipedia's history for the article on him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jason_Colavito&offset=20141122020324&limit=500&action=history

the claim was there for three or four days. The user who deleted it didn't have an account, rather it was logged by IP address. So a far cry from being some kind of official Wikipedia editor.

As to the best-selling claim, Jason makes the claim here, and he sources it properly:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/critical-companion-to-ancient-aliens.html
"* Amazon.com ranking of top 10 best-selling archaeology new releases, December 2012."

Amazon uses many rankings. Here are the current rankings for "best-selling" (Amazon explicitly uses that term) archaeology new releases:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/books/11242

So we know the category exists. Unfortunately the Wayback Machine only catalogued that page in July 2012, not December. It's entirely credible that a book about a popular television show could make a best-seller list on Amazon in that category. Entirely.

Is the claim credible? Yes. Does it come from a credible source? Yes. Is it cited? Yes. Can we verify the cite? No. But, I refer back to: "Does it come from a credible source? Yes." Has the person challenging the claim been proven false in the recent past, perhaps on this very issue or a related one: See above.

Oh, and regarding the question about why a best-selling author would have trouble finding a publisher? That's kind of the sort of business it is. Marilyn Manson's new albums don't sell like his old albums do. The band Chicago once had a hard time releasing an album, despite their status, due to its content being too far outside record company expectations.

-An Anonymous Nerd

David Bradbury
5/18/2018 03:26:54 pm

A few years back one of Jason's books was the best seller in Amazon's archaeology category (which is a fairly broad category- compare Graham Hancock's current success in "Archaeology> Methodology & Techniques" with "Fingerprints ..." easily beating titles like "New Perspectives on the Origins of Americanist Archaeology" and "Geographical Information Systems in Archaeology").
Trouble is, Amazon's best-seller lists change quite rapidly, and aren't archived, so within a short time of Jason mentioning it in his blog, it was history ... Therefore he quickly stopped mentioning it anywhere at all, but less scrupulous people do keep mentioning it in comments on his work.

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Hal
5/18/2018 03:46:42 pm

Please show us this bestseller claim proof. It’s a false claim made to inflate his stature. It was removed from Wikipedia when the claim was shown to be baseless.

Jason Colavito link
5/18/2018 03:58:31 pm

Yes, David is right. One of my books was in Amazon's "bestseller" list for a few weeks after its release. I used that in my promotional materials and promotional biography while trying to market myself. After the claim became outdated and irrelevant, I removed it. Amazing, though, the way my critics are more concerned about something that was (briefly) true than the fake degrees and fake professorships and fake adventures of the fringe folk.

An Over-Educated Grunt
5/18/2018 04:15:28 pm

Again, assertion is not evidence.

I've gone back through the Wikipedia history and talk pages for him. Frankly I'm surprised he even has a wiki page. However, neither the talk page nor the edit history supports your assertion that it was "removed when it was shown to be baseless." It may certainly have been, but there is no evidence that it was, just your assertion.

Facta, non verba.

David Bradbury
5/18/2018 06:21:35 pm

Hal, sweetie.
Which part of "Amazon's best-seller lists change quite rapidly, and aren't archived" is too difficult for you to comprehend?

Jason Colavito link
5/18/2018 06:24:17 pm

I removed it from my own webpage. I have never touched Wikipedia, and I don't believe one is even supposed to edit his own page. If someone put that on my Wikipedia page, that is not my fault, nor under my control.

Hal
5/18/2018 06:44:47 pm

You don’t quite get what I’m doing. Jason takes screen shots all the time to prove things. If amazon declared him a bestselling author he’d have a picture of it.

An Anonymous Nerd
5/18/2018 10:48:40 pm

Personally I have to wonder if Jason shouldn't have left it in his official biography. People make demonstrably false claims all the time (case in point the claims about Jason's wikipedia page, as I've demonstrated elsewhere), and this one seems to actually be accurate.

But Jason if you intended to scrub it entirely from the site might want to remove it from the write-up on the book too, as well as your biography.

But personally: I'd advocate for your leaving it and using it in any situation where it might help.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Hal
5/18/2018 04:32:44 pm

Go to page 1 of his wiki history and move forward, liar.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/18/2018 04:37:46 pm

And again, where is your evidence that it was "removed when shown to be baseless?"

You made an assertion, but you have not shown a single fact to support it. Instead, you wave your hands and tell us that it's there If we just look. I didn't ask if it was ever listed and removed. I asked where your proof is that it was removed when shown to be baseless. Neither the edit history nor the talk page mentions that as cause for any of its edits.

So again...

SHOW YOUR FACTS.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/18/2018 04:49:30 pm

Actually, don't bother. Going to the very first edition of his wiki page doesn't show a single mention of the text strings "best" or "sell." Even your one attempt at trying a fact, rather than a simple assertion, is without value. You're just not very good at arguing.

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Hal
5/18/2018 05:50:39 pm

Lies. It’s there. You just have to look. But you prefer to defend your fraud.

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Jason Colavito link
5/18/2018 06:25:50 pm

Again, let me repeat: I don't control Wikipedia and have nothing to do with what appears on it. I control only my own webpage. I removed the reference on my own biography page on my website. I do not add to or edit my Wikipedia page.

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David Bradbury
5/18/2018 06:34:56 pm

I've done a fair amount of Wikipedia editing, and yeah, if Jason was suspected of editing his own Wikipedia page, his account would be blocked. In reality, "Mr X" who created the page including that information in March 2013, was already by that time an experienced editor with contributions in a much wider range of topics than would be associated with Jason.

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Clete
5/18/2018 06:35:52 pm

Hal, I looked up your WikiPedia page. It stated that you are a witless moron and I, for one believe it. Please, if you, like Jason can remove this, then I suggest you get your head out your ass and do so.

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Hal
5/18/2018 07:51:29 pm

Thanks. But my page is very different than that.

orang
5/18/2018 08:11:25 pm

My comments:
1. I suggest to Jason to create a Go Fund Me account and gather contributions to publish this book of his. Being a true history book about a culture that no one seems to know much about, it might be sellable as a college textbook or a library owned book. I loved the intro to his book but did not much care for the subsequent stuff about the charlatans who got involved with interpreting the mounds thereafter. I also have a wish to have the book include something about the (IMHO) cultural disconnect between the mound builder culture and that of their direct genetic descendants who were called plains Indians and I guess eastern Indians. Once again, IMHO, I think this cultural disconnect destroys any claim that the current tribes have to restricting archaeological collection of artifacts of the mound builders (western tribes have a longer term argument to protect their artifacts.)
2. I listened to an internet marketing presentation on becoming a best selling author because I had written a self-published book. It stated that there are many different best seller book lists, and if the author gets on ANY ONE OF THEM FOR ONLY A FEW HOURS, then he/she can proclaim forevermore that he/she is a best selling author. The presentation then went on to give hints on how to achieve via a blitz of stuff all occurring at the same time to stimulate sales how to get on such a list if even for only a few hours.
3. I saw the movie Hangar 18 on TV long ago and I loved it. Even though I saw it before all of these lunatic fringe believers took control of the UFO topic, I knew that it was just a distillation of the popular UFO rumors going around at the time. (I am a UFO believer (nuts and bolts) and forgive Jason for his beliefs against UFOs. The subject is completely taken over by nuts now.)
4. Hal is an idiot. This much is obvious.

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Hal
5/18/2018 08:26:10 pm

Hey! I resemble that remark!!$&?

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Machala
5/18/2018 09:45:38 pm

ORANG,
Thanks for getting everything back on track and neatly summarizing.
I notice that, all too often on this site, particular individuals go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. There seems to be a lot of personal animus on the part of certain people towards Mr. Colavito - not rational argument and debate about his commentary but mean, baseless, personal attacks that detract from the blog and from the quality of other contributors' input.

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Hal
5/18/2018 09:59:36 pm

What does this comment have to do with Mormon propaganda? Quit mixing metaphors. This isn’t rocket surgery.

Clete
5/19/2018 09:24:14 am

What, prey tell, is rocket surgery?

Hal
5/19/2018 04:30:16 pm

Exactly.

Hal
5/19/2018 04:25:37 pm

Jason should go back to calling himself a bestselling author. And he needs a public go fund me page or something like that to fund his new book that’ll cost nothing to issue on amazon. It’d give all the skeptards an opportunity to show their real support. “Dig deep” says the main skeptard.

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Dunior
5/21/2018 11:49:56 am

I'm offended by your use of the word "skeptard." I have worked with handicapped people in the past and this is just a reference to the word "retard." Plus the word is a combination of "skeptic" and "retard." Kind of insensitive to people who aren't like you I would guess. Still malfunctioning. You need an update HAL. While you're at it open the freaking pod bay doors or go home.

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Huh? What?
5/21/2018 08:07:37 pm

"The terms used for this condition are subject to a process called the euphemism treadmill. This means that whatever term is chosen for this condition, it eventually becomes perceived as an insult. The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which included "imbecile" and "moron" and are now considered offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging, politically incorrect, and in need of replacement."

So the question is "Do you feel the same about 'imbecile' and 'moron'?"

Dunior
5/22/2018 11:32:19 am

You point out that the term is abusive and insulting yet use it liberally. So what does that say about you? There is something wrong with you bro. Get a lifestyle. Your intentional trolling is mildly entertaining but is growing old and weak. You have not made one good argument and seem to be here to only cause trouble and angst. I do kind of sense that you are about fifteen years old based on your lack of response to valid arguments and ad hominum attacks designed to insult and demean. So. Tell us more about how you believe in the flat earth and get it over with. I bet the aliens did that too!

huh? what?
5/22/2018 01:51:54 pm

I think you're confused.

Kal
5/19/2018 11:43:23 pm

Scientology has the space men in the volcano, Xenu or some other, and the space souls returning in humans, not Mormonism.

Anyone with enough money can be a 'best seller'. It means nothing in the age of desktop publication. If popular pundits who otherwise wouldn't sell flea powder to a dog show, get 'best sellers' during election years, you can bet anyone with enough connections can publish one.

Wikipedia is an aggregate online dictionary written by fans, and is not supposed to be written by the authors or famous people they put up there.

I have no problem accepting Mr. Colavito could have at one time had a best seller on Amazon.

His wikipedia page is not an issue at all. His citations are accurate, as well as his background as a blogger and minor online personality, and has written some actual material.

The trolls are just jealous.

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Kal
5/19/2018 11:45:27 pm

Kal was a wikipedia contributor in the middle 20000s, but it sucked, so we stopped.

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Amanda
5/20/2018 04:06:25 pm

Hanger 18. That brings back memories of my teenage years watching rubbish science fiction.

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J.K. Roiling
5/23/2018 06:48:19 am

First, there is a big difference between being "a bestselling author" and having a book be the best-selling new book in a specific category on Amazon for a month or two (that could mean five, ten, or twenty books sold total). I don't think anyone would consider an author who sold five, ten, twenty or even one hundred—or five hundred!—books a "bestselling author." The term simply does not mean the same thing when used in those different contexts, and it is rather duplicitous to take the term from one context (number of books sold in a specific category relative to all other new books sold in that category in the space of a couple of months) and apply it to another (sales of author's book(s) in general), in such a way that someone who simply sold 10 books in two months, where other authors of new books in the same category only sold 1, 3, 6, or 8, is suddenly being trumpeted (or tooting his own horn...) as a "bestselling author." Does this even need spelling out in such a gathering of near-geniuses as this??

Second, we live in a world overflowing with interesting and highly readable books, theses, dissertations, journal articles—all freely available!—such that even if one were never to spend another dollar on a book, one could still not consume even a fraction of the published material stored even only in one's own personal archives in one lifetime. So I'm afraid that JC's book on mounds—even if freely available like so many other books—will not get read by me in this life, as even if it were in my "to be read" pile, it would still be low-enough down (while also subject to further lowering over the years) that it would be decades before I'd get to it, and I would most likely have expired long before then.

It's one thing to visit the blog for a few minutes and to have a good laugh at HAL's antics and all the rest, but actually reading a 200+ page book? That's an entirely different level of commitment, which I doubt many here would be willing to make, especially if one had to pay for the privilege.

If you would like the book to be read, just give it away here and you will likely gain a few readers. That's more than one can really hope for in this world.

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Americanegro
5/23/2018 12:51:46 pm

Surrender, Dorothy!

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Denise
5/23/2018 03:21:52 pm

And thus is the problem with the book industry in general and society in particular. 200 pages a commitment? WOW I guess I'm old, that might last me and hour or two depending on the subject matter. Read "Albion's Seed" (which I think every student of American colonial history should read) with its copious footnotes, then get back to me.

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