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Robert Schoch Claims "Ice Age" Egyptian Temples Were Deliberately Buried

10/8/2022

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​This week, geologist Robert Schoch proposed a bizarre new idea about the temple complex at Karnak in Egypt after viewing nineteenth-century photographs of the ruins before they had been cleared of rubble and partially restored. He claimed that the blocks making up the rubble were too big for wind to have moved (true!) and that therefore the buildings, which he consequently redates to the Ice Age, had been deliberately buried by a lost civilization (false!). So where did he go wrong? It’s pretty obvious. 
The observation of intentional burial at Karnak first struck Katie [Schoch’s wife] while viewing historical images on display along the walls of Karnak's Visitor's Center. […] Katie noticed that the blocks in some of the images appear to be too massive to have been blown into position by the wind, as often occurs around abandoned structures in arid regions over vast expanses of time. (The Sphinx Enclosure on the Giza Plateau is but one simple example; in just a matter of decades it will fill with sand if left unattended.) It appears that the loose blocks were positioned around the temple walls, as if to fortify them. Notice the mountain of dirt piled above the ram-headed sphinxes that line the entryway to the complex. What is apparent in the images is not simply sand blown in through time. The blocks in this rubble pile are enormous, and the mountain of rubble is many meters high.
 
[…] It appears from these images that colossal and towering megalithic temples, at some point in their history, suffered a catastrophe that caused destruction to them and to the entire site. Large rubble pieces (large blocks found in the vicinity) seem to have subsequently been piled up by ancient people against the towering temple walls and columns, as if to reinforce the remaining portions of the temple structure. Subsequently, dirt, fill, and the sands of time filled in the smaller gaps, creating a packed site. This process suggests initial human intention followed by natural processes.
The nineteenth-century photos do indeed show large mounds of carved and dressed blocks, as you can see here. 
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​However, no one has ever claimed the massive stones, unlike sand, blew in on the wind. Rather than belabor the point, a glimpse at the same temple today, after decades of rubble-clearing and restoration, will make plain what happened: Those massive piles of blocks were the collapsed remains of walls and the upper reaches of the temple, which fell into mounds that the desert filled with sand. You can see he foundations in the photo. The Egyptians also used blocks and rubble from former buildings as fill for new pylons. For example, the temple to the Aten built by Akhenaten was demolished and is blocks used as fill for three later pylons.
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A lot of the mudbrick Shoch observed abutting other temples and believes to be he proof of deliberate burial are the remains of mudbrick enclosure walls, which (unbeknownst to Schoch) surrounded most Egyptian stone temples. It’s literally in all the standard works on Egyptian architecture.
 
In short, Schoch published a lengthy discussion and an elaborate hypothesis with no evidence other than assumption.
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gdave
10/8/2022 06:42:32 pm

"In short, Schoch published a lengthy discussion and an elaborate hypothesis with no evidence other than assumption."

And without bothering to check if anyone else had ever discussed it or advanced any hypotheses about it before.

It's staggering. When I think I've noticed something odd and have a flash of inspiration explaining it, my first thought is usually to wonder if anyone else has noticed it before and if they've figured out what's going on. It usually isn't to just assume I'm the first one in history to have ever thought of it and immediately publish my "profound" insights.

Earlier in his career, Schoch seemed to me to have some interesting-but-probably-wrong ideas, and wasn't really a crank (he actually went on a History Channel show on the Yonaguni "Monument" and identified it as a natural geological formation). But he really seems to have slid down the crank slope since then.

I guess the question is now, will he accept the evidence archaeologists and historians have already (literally) uncovered about the origin of the rubble piles and the process of collapse and burial, ignore it, or go full-on crank and angrily denounce close-minded skeptics?

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Kent
10/8/2022 07:54:23 pm

Has anyone ever claimed the massive stones, unlike sand, blew in on the wind? It's not clear.

What strikes this reader is the rather advanced technology that must have been used to get those rather large stones to the top of the rather large irregular piles of rather large stones.

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Prospero45
10/16/2022 01:48:54 pm

The "advanced technology" was probably the same as used at many other sites - ramps, pulleys, levers and plenty of man/beast power.

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Kent
10/22/2022 09:42:59 pm

Right over your head, huh?

Article by Tim McMillan
10/9/2022 02:16:40 am

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30916275/government-secret-ufo-program-investigation/

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Graeme H
10/11/2022 04:10:53 am

We are a species with amnesia... because we have forgotten to check archaeological papers and books from the past 50 years.

I find it bizarre that a Yale-educated man can become so unscientific but I do believe that we can read between the lines here, and this is surely a hypothesis written by "Katie" whose name is written 22 times in the original article.

Maybe Schoch is savvy enough to make it look like it's all her work, to distance himself from the crazy ideas presented.

Everything about the article is an embarrassing mess and rain erodes the little credible Schoch has left. I think it's time to get back to flogging the dead horse that the Sphinx is Mehit or maybe find evidence the Sphinx is even older. Or maybe just stop trying to be an archaeologist.

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Ratso rizzo
10/14/2022 03:08:09 pm

His wife is a film school graduate whom he met at a conference devoted to fringe theories. He was impressed by her research on people turning into stars when they die. Just the person that you want interpreting ancient Egyptian ruins. Truly a match made in heaven.

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Sir ned Flanders petrie
10/11/2022 01:28:02 pm

They buried the ruins after carefully removing all possible evidence that would support the hypothesis that said ruins are several times older than currently understood?

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Hannah W
10/11/2022 04:34:32 pm

Maybe I'm being overly simplistic, but when I saw the first photo, my first thought was 'collapse caused by earthquake'. Is that so far outside of the realm of possibility that no one else thought of it?

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Not Naming Names
10/13/2022 12:27:28 pm

This reminds me of another geologist who was right about one thing and wrong about everything else. This geologist started off with something real and then got Hooked On An X.

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Mick
10/22/2022 02:51:03 pm

I guess studying geology doesn't make you an expert in everything.

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