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Sad News and Some Interesting 1980s Survey Results

5/30/2014

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I have sad news to report this morning. Last night my grandfather died suddenly and unexpectedly at the age of 97, or at least as unexpectedly as one can at that age. I find it difficult to eulogize my grandfather since, like so many men of his generation, he tended toward silence and stoicism.
The story he most loved to tell was about his experiences serving in World War II. The Army sent him from New York to California by train, and he felt that the experience proved that there was nothing to see in the United States except lifeless, flat land and whistle stop stations. They sent him to India, and he crossed the subcontinent again by train and felt that the experience proved that India was nothing but poverty and mud, with nothing to see but train stations and hovels. They sent him to Egypt, and he similarly found Port Said an uninteresting waste and Egypt an empty hell-scape of sand. As a result, he decided the world held nothing worth seeing except poverty and war, and he spent the next seven decades at home, rarely venturing much farther than two towns over.

But he was also the kind of person who strived to build a better life. In the postwar years, he and my grandmother started their family in a subsidized housing complex, and my grandfather saved up to buy a plot of land the next block over and built his own midcentury modern ranch house by hand, himself, in the hours after work and on weekends. Even into his 90s he still worked on making home improvements and repairs. On the other hand, he wasn’t keen on the idea of having neighbors, so he bought the adjoining lot as well, and it has sat empty and unused since the 1950s so he wouldn’t have to deal with anyone living next door.

It’s hard to imagine how much change has occurred since 1916, when my grandfather was born. Back then there was still a Tsar in Russia and Franz Joseph still sat on the Austro-Hungarian throne. Italians like my grandfather were subject to discrimination and prejudice—recall H. P. Lovecraft’s description of ethnic minorities in “The Horror at Red Hook”: “The population is a hopeless tangle and enigma; Syrian, Spanish, Italian, and negro elements impinging upon one another […] this tangle of material and spiritual putrescence…”; or in “The Haunter of the Dark,” where Italian-Americans are superstitious, frightened rustics. And yet by the end of his life, my grandfather was able to watch Fox News (which he did daily, right up until the end) and complain himself about an ill-defined “those people” who were “destroying this country” and “outbreeding us,” the “us” being, of course, white people.

I have to blame Fox News for that; my grandfather had been a supporter of FDR in his 20s and JFK in his 40s and loved Bill and Hillary Clinton in his 70s and 80s, before age kept him inside more and he gradually narrowed his television choices to Judge Judy, Fox News, and TCM, especially after CBS fired his favorite news anchor, Dan Rather. Bill O’Reilly, he said, “tells it like it is,” just like Judge Judy.

But I won’t dwell on this more. Instead, let me finish by sharing an interesting passage I came across while doing some unrelated research yesterday afternoon. In 1986 Peter G. Stone conducted a survey to find out why people in Britain were interested in the past and how they went about learning about the past. He discussed the results in R. Layton’s edited 1989 volume Who Needs the Past?: Indigenous Values and Archaeology. His first finding was a distressing report that hundreds of interviewees refused to take his survey because they claimed to know nothing about the past. His second finding was that archaeologists are systematically excluding the less educated by focusing too heavily on an “academic” rather than an exciting presentation of material—which has yet to change! But Britain being Britain, Stone noted that fewer Britons watched archaeology-themed documentaries than televised snooker. Forty-two percent of survey respondents felt that Hollywood movies could be trusted to provide “reasonably accurate” information about the past, and many cited One Million Years BC (where dinosaurs and humans coexist) and Raiders of the Lost Ark (with its magical Ark) as “accurate” films. One of the most disturbing findings was that Britons felt that no one can really know what happened in the past; therefore, Hollywood’s conclusions were as likely to be correct as archaeologists’.

His section on book reading deserves to be quoted in full. In the following the parenthetical numbers refer to the assigned numbers of survey respondents, not to the total number of respondents making a claim.
Less than half of the respondents showed any real interest in books on archaeology. Of those who claimed to read about archaeology (or history), the majority found it difficult to recall specific authors or titles of books. The normal response was versed in a period or thematic manner – thus respondent (151) enjoyed reading about Egyptians and Romans, and (107) concentrated on New Zealand’s history and anthropology. When authors were mentioned, it was striking that the most frequently named was Von Daniken.

The overriding impression about the types of books about the past that people read is that they should not be too ‘heavy’ or academic – respondent (9) only enjoyed reading books about the past if they had a lot of pictures and, along with a large number of others (of the group who did read), also enjoyed reading historical fiction. This desire to identify with the past – realized through illustration and fiction – seems to apply to all social classes.
These results were all the more remarkable because by 1986, the 1960s-era ancient astronaut craze had already burned out, having fizzled in the late 1970s when too much fringe product entered an oversaturated market. The 1980s were the low ebb of fringe history, which is why it seemed like a shock when fringe history roared back to live in the mid-1990s. It is sad but not surprising that readers do not distinguish between mainstream and fringe history books.

I wonder what would happen if a similar survey were conducted today, either here or in Britain. I have a feeling that books would be all but eliminated as a category, and I have a sneaking suspicion that cable TV programs like Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed would show up as important sources for how people claim they learn about the past. One thing that wouldn’t change is Stone’s complaint that archaeologists are failing to make the past accessible and exciting to the general public in terms they can understand and embrace, leaving it to journalists and fringe figures to fill the gap between public curiosity and academic insularity.

29 Comments
Shane Sullivan
5/30/2014 05:13:48 am

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather, Jason.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/30/2014 10:39:01 am

I'm sorry …

May he Rest in Peace …
His dust will return to the Earth as it was; may his spirit-breath return to God, who gave It ...

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[jad]
6/1/2014 02:55:58 am

Amen

Cathleen Anderson
5/30/2014 05:15:01 am

Have you read any of the Rogue Angel series by Alex Archer (a pseudonum for many different authors). The main character is a female version of Indiana Jones and has lots of imaginary stuff. Some of the volumes do a really good job on the archealogy descriptions.

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Professor Challenger
5/30/2014 05:28:35 am

Tomb Raider strikes again

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Only Me
5/30/2014 06:55:35 am

My condolences for your loss. As a 20 year veteran, I had experiences similar to your grandfather's, but thankfully, I didn't feel the ennui he did. I just hope I can get close to 97 before it's time to "pull chocks".

As to the other topic, I've felt the public isn't free of culpability, either. With the availability of resources one can find on the Internet, I don't think someone should complain about inaccessibility of information if they won't take the time and effort to look for it. Sure, it wasn't as easy before the Internet, but now there's no excuse.

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Shane Sullivan
5/30/2014 03:26:03 pm

Personally, I think we should start an email campaign offering to teach "secrets the Smithsonian doesn't want you to know" for a fee of a couple dollars a month (just enough to come off as serious peddlers of esoteric wisdom). Then, to everybody who signs up, we just read anything by Oxford Press.

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High King
5/31/2014 03:24:42 am

Even the most rational people believe in silly things

Uncle Ron
5/30/2014 07:03:00 am

Please accept my condolences on the loss of your Grandfather.

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DDaughhetee
5/30/2014 08:13:03 am

I'm sorry for your loss, Jason. Part of me is glad that my grandparents all passed before having their minds poisoned by Fox News, although I would have loved to have more time with them.

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The Chief link
5/30/2014 04:26:29 pm

sad

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.
5/30/2014 08:31:58 am

he lived a full life, he survived his war.
as you age, you will understand him better.
things could have been much different.
he sounds like he was like his generation.
my uncle was a mechanic who never
left the good ole USA but some of his buddies
were at Guadalcanal. after the war, he quit
asking around about what had happened to them.
the answer was pretty much the same. if your
grandfather talked about his service, he was doing so
for his reasons, after a while, life has its purpose.
he was long lived. in a few days, we are going to be at
the 70 year mark of D-Day, and next year we'll be
at the 70 year mark of the events of '45, from V-E to V-J day...

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Martin R
5/30/2014 09:32:18 am

Sorry to hear about your Grandfather. My father-in-law turned 91 today and I am reminded, too, that he didn't talk about his Pacific war experiences much. He loved to travel and has enjoyed a fin, full life and family. However, he has also become suspicious of those who are different.

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Thorne
5/30/2014 09:46:12 am

@DDaughhetee
"Part of me is glad that my grandparents all passed before having their minds poisoned by Fox News, although I would have loved to have more time with them."

I lost my mother 2 years ago (at 84 yrs old) and believe me, I would much rather have seen her mind poisoned by Fox News than to have had to watch her mind be eaten away by Alzheimer's. At least we could have had some knock-down-drag-outs before she went.

Condolences on your loss, Jason.

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Titus pullo
5/31/2014 01:39:58 pm

Perhaps she watched freedom watch on fox business and saw the light. Classical liberalism...aka libertarianism is very attractive to intelligent folks.

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charlie
5/30/2014 12:35:11 pm

Jason,
My condolences on the loss of your grandfather. My Dad, if he were alive, would hit 98 this June 11. He also was born in 1916. His unit followed Patton from North Africa, and every campaign Patton was involved in. He only talked about the odd ball, off the wall things he did or saw during WW2. He was not in a combat unit, still he was not one of those who was for war.
He became more anti-war when I was a Marine and sent to Vietnam.
Yeah Jason, I'm 66 and could possibly be old enough to be your father.....LOL. Dad didn't go "faux noise" though. He died the Saturday of the week "saint" Ronnie of Ray-gun was elected as our
"acting" president in 1980, before Faux Noise became what it is today. He despised Ronnie for what he did to California during his time as governor of that state. He became more anti-war as he aged even. He was always interested in learning and didn't settle for lies and BS. He was not highly educated school wise, high school and diesel school by 1940, but he was a darn good diesel mechanic and heavy equipment mechanic. He stressed my getting a good education almost to the point of putting me off on school, note, I said almost. He knew math and science were very important. He was very tolerant and taught me that I was to never lump people by skin color, religion or any other "differences" I may have with them. I never did get to ask him where he learned that. He and I were born in dairy country in southern Wisconsin and we hardly ever saw either Black or Hispanic people until we moved to SoCal in 1959. I credit Dad with much of my own despising of racist people and ideas, if I can call such an idea. I think that lesson was the one I hold as his most important. An aneurism in his aorta, along with two massive heart attacks in the operating room killed him at 64.
As to the second topic, I' d go along with above comments that such a survey today in the US in particular would show few read any books at all and that TV would have a huge impact on the beliefs of those who replied to the survey. I personally am amazed at the number of people I come in contact with here in central Louisiana who just "love" AA and AU and other programs of that type. Even though this is supposed to be Bible belt area, ET, UFO's, and Bigfoot are huge around here. Of course the state public school system is terrible in Louisiana.
@Thorne, my condolences on your loss. From what I have seen, Alzheimer's takes a terrible toll on the family as well as the person who suffers with the disease.

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The Chief link
5/30/2014 11:06:46 pm

Sorry for your loss Jason. I couldn't do this last night because I let some one else control my emotions. I got real mad, see above. I have a new number one at the top of my fecal roster.

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.
6/1/2014 03:12:18 am

we are seeing the long lived noble souls of the WW2 generation
pass away. a few years ago, our last WW1 veteran died. i respect
the man's service and life. i also thought CBS went downhill after
Dan Rather left. perhaps old age is easier with the internet, now.
people aren't so shut-in feeling, and are more proactive. half our
new vets are combat fatigue or PTSD. WW1 era "shell shock" was
often literal. i admit sticking to Fox News looks and sounds sad,
tragic... there are other choices. if someone says this is a free
country, Jason's grandfather helped to keep it being so. my own
grandfather flew in WW1 and lied about his age to join, he wasn't
an ace, but he had an exciting time. First he was in England, then
Italy. He tried to get a commission when WW2 broke out but never
did. He saw the Bonus Marchers hosed down in 1932 in D.C so
he was not a fan of Douglas MacArthur after that. We need to give
each other the respect a hearty debate suggests ought to be there.
This is not one of the more intense threads & has few gray areas.
We sometimes can get too head up or upset over things being said.
Every now and then, I look at Bogart or listen to Benny Goodman,
and then I feel sorta closer to the WW2 generation. i also like film
noir. odds are Jason's grandfather liked Gene Krupa's drum beats!

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Fecal roster
5/31/2014 03:26:03 am

Fecal Roster. A listing of individuals, companies, countries, etc. that have been found to be worthy of derision, or unworthy of attention

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[jad]
6/1/2014 03:28:01 am

i can remember when POTUS Richard Milhous Nixon's enemies
list got released at the height of the Watergate controversy and
poor Dan Rather's name was on it. i try not to have lists like that.
i admit there are the folks if i saw them on a crowded street, i'd
cross it to the other side. Nixon had his moments when in power...i
admit i was not upset when he stepped down. it was 42 years ago.

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Titus pullo
5/31/2014 01:34:43 pm

My sympathy to you are your family. Your story us very similar to my dad who passed away a few months ago at age 91. He was born in auburn, his parents both inmmigrated from Italy. His dad died in 1934, I actually visited my grandparents grave in that huge cemetery across from auburn high last week as we took my son to Hamilton college for a visit. My dad was drafted in WWII and sent to the pacific theater for three years. After he came back he never wanted to leave fairport ny where he relocated in 48. He was a new dealer but late in life moved to the right. I think he was never comfortable as the dem party moved to the left on social issues. In the late 60s we had hippies rent the house next door. They came down drunk or high one night and peed in my kids pool. My stoic dad who never said much grabbed a baseball bat and proceeded to chase the hippies to ther house and then bashed in their vw van. He got saved from getting arrested when the cops found pot on their house. Yes that generation was different. They hated spending money and did most things themselves.

My he rest in peace jason, he deserves it.

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Harry
5/31/2014 05:33:55 pm

Jason,

My condolences. I hope you also have some fonder memories of him that you can treasure.

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Ruth
5/31/2014 11:22:58 pm

I'm so sorry for your loss, but it sounds as though your grandfather had a good life as well as a long one, and that should be celebrated as you mourn.

On your other topic, I'd like to think that things may have changed, at least a little. I'm in the UK and don't know anyone at all who's even heard of Ancient Aliens and their ilk, let alone watch them, though that might because of a self-selecting group of like-minded people. Also, for 20 years, though sadly now cancelled, a very popular TV programme was Time Team, which every week televised an archaeological dig. It was real archaeology with real archaeologists and historians, and people watched it in their millions. I recommend you check it out.

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CFC
6/1/2014 01:53:24 am

Sorry to hear of your loss Jason. I'm happy to hear that men in your family live to be very old because we need you around for a long time to challenge the dishonest programming on H2, especially America Unearthed.

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.
6/1/2014 04:22:58 am

CFC--- i truly think AU has only five or seven more years in it,
rather than anything like 50 or more. Jason in old age should
write a book about the free wheelin' turn of the century he had
wise thoughts on. the young in that future time may doubt things.

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CFC
6/1/2014 01:51:52 pm

One more season of AU is one too many. You're right, I should have said that I was glad he would be around to challenge any dishonest programming.

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.
6/1/2014 04:27:44 pm

Syndication's magic number is usually seven seasons
for a fiction orientated program. Ancient Aliens is still
limping along, with its third rate Sci-Fi radioactive 50 foot
ant WOW factor, and if AU tracks like AA it could linger
well long after its hour like the undead on the Walking Dead.
What Jason should do is buy a bottle of good cognac and
wait some 30 or 40 or 50 years after AU's cancellation to
drink it. His last Weebly blast at AU may be quite an event!

Jason
6/1/2014 11:36:32 am

Jason, you have my condolences. My father watches Fox News a lot and he is only 69. I pray that he is still watching Fox News when he is 97 with his mental faculties intact. There are lots of worse things than watching Fox News, namely MSNBC, CNN, America Unearthed, Ancient Aliens, etc. Your grandfather sounds like a neat person, You were undoubtedly very fortunate to have been able to know him.

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Seeker
6/1/2014 02:18:28 pm

Jason, so sorry to hear about your grandfather's passing. He sounds like an incredibly hard worker and a man of his generation; I also appreciate his service to our country.

As for some of the opinions he started to embrace late in life (i.e. "those people"), I'm sure it's difficult to see the world change so drastically after living nearly a century. To imagine that America will soon have more people of color than Caucasians, pot legalization, same sex marriage, etc.--it's a lot to take in for many elders who grew up in such a different world.

It's unfortunate your grandfather didn't see more to inspire him as he traveled America and India. There is indeed a lot of suffering and ugliness in this country and abroad--but there's a great deal of beauty in the world, too. It sounds like he may have somewhat isolated himself from that world--both the good as well as the bad.

As for the survey in Britain, that's just frightening, but completely understandable. One of the great things I used to love about the History Channel is it brought history, archaeology, etc. to life and made it more approachable and of interest to mainstream audiences.

But then of course it went too far and now what they're offering up is a blend of actual history, entertainment, conspiracy and inaccuracies--all in search of ratings. It's like television junk food, but unadulterated history can taste good without all of the fillers.

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