I’m way behind on work today, so you will have to settle for a short blog post. You’ll recall that I have frequently referred to the work of South African researcher David Lewis-Williams, who proposed that Paleolithic cave art and the shamanic practices associated with Paleolithic and Neolithic religious expression could be attributed to altered states of consciousness. By extension, this same idea can be applied to modern alien abduction motifs and also provides a reasonable framework for understanding key imagery in ancient mythology. Tom Froese, Alexander Woodward and Takashi Ikegami have just published a new paper in the Journal of Adaptive Behavior (21, no. 3) that examined cave paintings across 40,000 years in which they essentially concur that the patterns found in cave paintings are indicative of altered states of consciousness. However, the authors are not convinced that this explanation is sufficient to explain why prehistoric people worldwide loved to get high and paint spirals in caves. They specifically take Lewis-Williams to task for an incomplete explanation. According to an enactive approach, self-sustaining neural dynamics can generate their own intrinsic value in relation to their conditions of self-maintenance, and they can also serve as a neural mechanism by which to decouple autonomous brain activity from the influence of environmentally mediated sensorimotor dynamics. Both of these aspects can help to explain the aesthetic selective biases of the first artists, in particular their interest in inner experience as exemplified by abstract hallucinations and imaginary phenomena, which are not directly related to the demands of their physical environment. We speculate that the self-sustaining dynamics may account for why these geometric hallucinations were experienced as more significant than other phenomena, and that at the same time their underlying neural dynamics may have served to mediate and facilitate a form of imaginary sense-making that is not bound to immediate surroundings. This is a rather fancy way of trying to square the circle and solve the chicken-and-egg dilemma. According to the authors, the hallucinations came to be seen as valuable because they were experienced during shamanic rituals, rather than rituals emerging to explain the hallucinations. This, they say, explains why people the world over chose the same hallucinatory images to invoke. Later, they discuss the power of such images and how they appear to induce apparently powerful feelings in those that experience them, speaking to the point I recently made in Paranthropology that the intensity of an experience is not related to its objective physical reality.
This allows the authors to dispense with Lewis-Williams’s semi-Marxist idea of a prehistoric class struggle between shamans and the rest of society for control over these hallucinations. Frankly, though, I never thought that was the most important part of Lewis-Williams’ ideas, and I happily jettisoned it myself in my references to his work in Knowing Fear and another work whose details I can’t reveal yet. Lewis-Williams, if I recall correctly, was trying to say that in known cultures shamans acted on behalf of the community as ritual specialists, not that they were in a war with the hunters and the gatherers for control over the supernatural. I’m not entirely sure how I feel about Froese et al.’s work. It is certainly extremely rigorous in its analysis, but I’m just not sure it’s all that different from Lewis-Williams’s original idea. At any rate, the recognition of spiral patterns as indicative of altered states of consciousness counts as a point against the ancient astronaut and alternative history writers, who try to make these into symbols of distant galaxies, worldwide Atlantis cults, or other unsupportable ideas.
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Cathleen Anderson
7/24/2013 09:02:17 am
The last sentence in the fourth paragraph from the bottom, " is not reality to its objective physical reality" I'm wondering if that first 'reality' shouldn't be a different word "related" perhaps?
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7/24/2013 09:08:01 am
Yes, it should have been "related." I've fixed it. Thanks for catching the error.
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7/24/2013 12:05:25 pm
Jason I enjoy your rigorous research but please be careful because you might discover the truth of reality soon! haha. On the real reason for the original human cave paintings - read Dr. Bradford Keeney's book http://books.google.com/books/about/Ropes_to_God.html?id=oSISAQAAIAAJ Ropes to God: experiencing the Bushmen spiritual universe.
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varika
7/24/2013 01:22:01 pm
While the book looks interesting from what I can see, the blurb attached to it rather indicates to me that what you get out of the book is what the Bushmen BELIEVE is the original purpose of cave paintings, which is not necessarily gospel truth.
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Tara Jordan
7/24/2013 01:43:40 pm
As a hardcore materialist I dont even trust science for interpreting spiritual & paranormal experiences.Scientists can be tricked or lead to react in a particular way.The Stanford Research Institute experiments on Uri Geller is the perfect example 7/24/2013 06:21:51 pm
There you go - dismissing a book based on the blurb! It's exactly that kind of closed-minded pre-emptive attitude that keeps this subject off-limits - and why? The Bushmen original culture is based on very specific training procedures - again this is gone into great detail. It's not a "belief" but a training of body-mind transformation and it has been carried in through non-western cultures around the world - turned into a nonwestern science by India and China.
varika
7/27/2013 04:24:29 am
No offense, Drew, but there is no way in HELL I'm going to spend $75 on this book, so the blurb will have to do. If you want to buy a copy and ship it to me, I'll give it a more thorough read. 7/29/2013 07:02:35 am
" The American anthropologist Lorna Marshall who, together with her family, worked with !Kung Bushmen the early 1950s, likened this potency to electricity: it is a power that can be harnessed for the good of humankind, but intense concentration, if allowed to get out of control, can kill people. 7/29/2013 04:42:01 pm
I read the book "Ropes to God" for free via interlibrary loan.
Tara Jordan
7/24/2013 01:15:12 pm
"the intensity of an experience is not related to its objective physical reality".My sex therapist is going bonkers over this statement.
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Clint Knapp
7/24/2013 04:43:16 pm
I've never been entirely comfortable with the assumption that paleolithic man had to be on something to make some doodles on walls, or even that there was necessarily a binding, uniform interpretation of any given symbol across cultures and regions. It's one of those ideas that seems to fit more in line with the Theosophical view of the world than a natural progression of development.
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The Other J.
7/24/2013 05:51:48 pm
I think you're right, but I also think it can go both ways. Not all genius will be substance-induced; some people of genius may have had a breakthrough with a substance, but that doesn't necessarily mean they never would have made their breakthrough without the substance. Sometimes a substance is the right tool to open or knock down a door and open up some new and useful understanding; sometimes it just gets you buzzed. It's probably all very circumstantial and haphazard.
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7/24/2013 11:25:45 pm
The evidence, in this case, is the otherwise inexplicable repetition of specific patterns in art across time and space. Certain geometric forms occur regularly in cave art in an abundance that is otherwise difficult to attribute to utter chance. Not every group, incidentally, painted caves or made this type of art, so it's not that all ancient genius is the result of drugs or trances but rather that these experiences, across cultures, yielded similar patterns in art.
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Varika
7/27/2013 04:32:05 am
Well, Jason, I would argue that at least the specific example you mentioned--spirals--is in no way inexplicable as a repetition. There are so many spiral structures in the natural world that it would be more inexplicable to NOT abstract them into the art. Shells spiral, flower petals spiral, leaves spiral, tree branches spiral, wind spirals, water spirals, clouds spiral, spinning in circles creates spiral patterns in the dirt....the human eye travels in a spiral around an image, even. The prevalence of spirals has led at least some groups, not using drugs, to declare it proof of God, "because otherwise things should be all different." So if spirals are the only thing that is common, this paper and the one it's critiquing just don't hold much water. 7/27/2013 04:47:22 am
No, spirals aren't the only thing. There's an entire set of symbols that repeat with relative consistency across cultures. Those who ascribe them to altered states of consciousness (which don't have to be drug induced--trance can do it) hold that this set of symbols, repeated across cultures, implies a common neurological source. Check the article if you'd like. It's free.
tubby
7/25/2013 06:04:07 am
Draw something weird right now. Just something weird for the sake of weird, and add a number of purposely disturbing elements to it. Make sure those elements don't look stuck on though, or people may guess the game.
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The Other J.
7/24/2013 05:34:13 pm
"by which to decouple autonomous brain activity from the influence of environmentally mediated sensorimotor dynamics."
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7/24/2013 06:23:44 pm
Seriously does someone have the intellectual maturity to just consider all the evidence? Read the Ropes to God book already instead of just dismissing it without really investigating it.
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Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 01:59:41 am
"Maturity is the faculty to resist to symbolism". Milan Kundera.
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Joep
7/25/2013 02:51:11 am
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Joep
7/25/2013 02:54:01 am
Maybe they just drew things for no reason at all. My child draws stange shapes and symbols all the time.
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Paul
7/25/2013 02:55:39 am
If we considered the evidence and disagreed with it, then what?
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7/25/2013 03:21:02 am
Then you critique what's wrong with this idea, and if you make a good case, then that's that.
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Paul
7/25/2013 05:50:05 am
Precisely. The paper makes a reasonable claim, Keener's book on spirituality less so.
Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 04:38:01 am
These are not "evidences" but interpretations.
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Paul
7/25/2013 06:14:53 am
No need to counter my generalizations with specificity.
Gunn
7/25/2013 05:20:13 am
What gets people, including children, high? All kinds of things, drugs and other things, too. Who can possibly say what prompted someone to be creative? And no, one doesn't need to be high to be creative...but it probably helps. The idea is to be able to see something differently.
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varika
7/27/2013 04:37:22 am
"And no, one doesn't need to be high to be creative...but it probably helps."
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7/25/2013 07:55:19 am
As usual -- so-called skeptics - practicing self-censorship! Refusing to consider real evidence! Hilarious.
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Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 11:00:57 am
Drew,You have an interesting blog. I am particularly interested in the "anti-radiation healing techniques" (because I live in Tokyo).Next time we are faced with another nuclear catastrophe,I`ll seek your wisdom.Please wake me up when you have succeeded at levitating yourself several feet above ground floor.I am also a big fan of Qigong & Shaolin finger power....
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7/25/2013 08:02:30 am
Just for the record I get the same response from Graham Hancock and his followers - who want to believe that psychedelic mushrooms spawned the cave paintings.
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Only Me
7/25/2013 08:42:43 am
I clicked on Drew's name and went to his blog, just to find out why he was so adamant in peddling Keeney's book. After reading the excerpt recounting his personal experiences, I understand. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
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7/25/2013 09:50:41 am
"peddling" - the same term was used by the former podcast host of theparacast -- when I posted on their forum about qigong being scientifically proven.
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Only Me
7/25/2013 10:59:58 am
The evidence, my friend, is your previous posts. You seemed frustrated that no one stampeded out the door towards Keeney's book. You accuse everyone of self-censorship and make comparisons with Graham Hancock and associates. You proclaim close-mindedness and ask about intellectual maturity. The majority here are intelligent, knowledgeable, well-spoken individuals who won't be bullied or open to a condescending guilt trip. Choose your words more carefully. Your passion for the subject does not excuse boorish behavior.
Varika
7/27/2013 04:45:58 am
"Peddling" in no way implies sexual activity. "Peddling" is an ancient and honorable profession, sir, most certainly practiced by your beloved Bushmen, dealing with the transfer of ownership of small items as it does. Items such as healing talismans, for instance. Spell components going TO the shamans or priests or whatever. Dung for fires. Beads and threads and fabric. THAT sort of thing. 7/25/2013 09:48:00 am
"Toward what I believed to be the end of the evening, Xaxe, a great hunter, healer, and shaman, laid hands on me....I felt the energy, his energy, surge through my body. He had his hands on me for about twenty-five or thirty seconds, but it felt like he had only touched me for a split second. Time stood still. I literally had a
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7/25/2013 09:52:56 am
When I was 13, "The Call of Cthulhu" gave me a similar feeling of communion with the uncanny, but that doesn't mean that Cthulhu has an objective reality outside my head. I've also experienced an "alien" abduction (a waking dream) that was similarly intense and powerful but nonetheless untrue. The intensity of an experience does not correlate to its physical reality.
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Bo Jangles
7/25/2013 10:25:47 am
"After many astounding experiences, the Bushmen accepted Keeney as a "doctor," a n/om-kxao, one who is believed to possess and control a supernatural essence or power that can be harnessed to heal people with physical and social ills." 7/25/2013 10:31:10 am
I'm not sure of your point. I once had a supposed Gypsy psychic tell me that I possessed the gift of prophecy, but that hardly makes psychic powers real. What people believe and what is actually occurring are two very different things. There is no doubt that shamanic ceremonies are powerful for those experiencing them; that does not necessarily mean that they involve an actual other dimension peopled by aliens, monsters, and gods. 7/29/2013 03:00:52 pm
Jason before just dismissing the original human culture from 100,000 BCE - maybe read some of the research on it? How about consider the evidence! Are Elizabeth Marshall Thomas and Megan Biesele just making up the powerful healing that they witnessed? They are professional anthropologists who have lived with the Bushmen. What about Dr. Richard Katz and Dr. Bradford Keeney - the both attest to the real healing energy of the Bushmen trance dancing training. 7/25/2013 09:53:52 am
So for those who want to continue practicing "willful ignorance" - that is Andrew Zimmern of the cable t.v. show Bizarre World -- he goes around the world eating bizarre food. He did an episode on the Bushmen of the Kalahari and he happened upon a real Bushmen healer - the so-called "stone age" people. haha. That is the type of energy that the cave paintings are based on - something the psychedelic crowd does not delve into.
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Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 11:16:42 am
All things considered, I'd rather be "willfully ignorant" than grandiosely self delusional. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Bill
7/25/2013 12:27:56 pm
I was at your website and saw the link to this blog entry and the following tweet: a skeptic tries to censor me again! the subject - cave art and shamanism! Enjoy.
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7/25/2013 03:46:45 pm
I'll explain things real simply -- there is a book that needs to be read for the best analysis on the cave art of the original human culture going back to 100,000 BCE. 7/25/2013 03:52:05 pm
Fourth - I wasn't sure my post would go through since my posts were being censored by this blog. I had to do a IP reset to get that post through. Sorry you could not find any evidence but I had to post as Bo Jangles before to ensure that the post would go through. Apparently all I needed was the IP reset and I didn't need to use a new email, etc.
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7/25/2013 11:25:39 pm
I'm not censoring anything on this blog. If you are experiencing technical difficulties with posting, please contact Weebly support at http://www.weebly.com. The forums can be a bit buggy, and there is a word limit on post sizes.
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7/25/2013 03:58:53 pm
O.K. the whole bit about shamanism being based on some Marxist analysis needs to be corrected. The original human culture, the Bushmen, had 90% of the males train to be shamans - so it was not some class differential structure scenario.
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Tara JOrdan
7/25/2013 04:52:32 pm
I`d hate to break your heart, but we understand why "The Secret Science of Spiritual Healing" works among a specific category of individuals.Spiritual Healing is nothing more than a psychological placebo effect.There is nothing scientific & mysterious about Spiritual Healing.It is just a matter of faith & convincing yourself that "it works".
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7/25/2013 05:11:04 pm
Do you mean you don't want to consider the evidence that shows it's beyond any placebo effect? First of all "placebo" has been dismissed by Western science. http://yjhm.yale.edu/essays/ecohen1.htm "The Placebo Disavowed: Or Unveiling the Bio-Medical Imagination" 7/25/2013 05:20:08 pm
Also Tara just so you know - I always sit in full lotus at the computer - it's another good example how this training is not just some wishful thinking, a belief etc. You don't need to believe anything! haha.
Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 06:46:19 pm
It doesn't really matter if you call it "placebo effect" or "self induced mechanism",science understands the mechanism behind the power of suggestion.It is a psychological process.The Power of Suggestion, especially the power of self suggestion,has a tremendous influence on physiological,physical & psychological conditioning.Particularly among specific groups of individuals who are receptive,attached or wired to spiritual & magical thinking.What we are & what we expect influences our behavior & condition.
Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 07:05:41 pm
Of course there is no need to believe anything.I am the least spiritual person you`ll ever meet but I also spent most of my time in Zazen position when I am at home.I guess I must have special skills since I am capable of sitting in full lotus position for hours & hours.But there is nothing really extraordinary about that,since I have been living in Tokyo for years.As opposed to your Qigong Master,I don't attach any spirituality or special ability to my capacity of sitting in Zazen for hours.It`s nothing but a matter of getting accustomed to particular living conditions, 7/25/2013 11:28:20 pm
The !Kung (San) Bushmen are not the "original" human culture. They have evolved from prehistory as much as anyone. As hunter gatherers they are often used as an analogue for prehistoric cultures, but they cannot be considered unchanged from the Paleolithic.
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7/27/2013 12:19:48 pm
Jason just get over it and read the cave art book by Dr. Bradford Keeney - you might learn something! haha. I will be happy to discuss the so-called "evolution" of the original human culture with you after you take a look at the evidence.
Only Me
7/27/2013 01:06:13 pm
Sorry, Drew, but I doubt you could hold up your end of that discussion. I bet most of your arguments would be based on what you've retained from Keeney's book. In other words, the arguments would be someone else's, put forth by you. 7/27/2013 05:32:12 pm
"In a paper published today in Science, he counted the number of distinct sounds, or phonemes, used in 504 languages from around the world and charted them on a map. The number of sounds varies hugely from language to language. English, for instance has around 46 sounds, some languages in South America have fewer than 7/27/2013 05:34:10 pm
"There are things about the antiquity of the Bushmen’s culture that we didn't know. A musicologist found very important music which was used at a woman's first menarche called ‘elan music’ (honoring the fat-rich antelope). This ‘elan music’ was also present in other language groups of other Bushmen language groups and also the noun-less speakers who are not exactly Bushmen but they're related. This means that way back before these groups diverged, 7/27/2013 05:38:13 pm
"Since, as we’ve seen, Khoisan and Pygmies vocalize in essentially the same manner, it’s not difficult to conclude that their “Utopian” cultures are also mirrored by a no less “Utopian” style of music making. Or, in more realistic terms, the Utopian aspects of their musical language would seem to mirror an equally Utopian ideal at the heart of their value system – an ideal more easily achieved, no doubt, in music than the realities of day to day life. (I’ll be having 7/27/2013 05:50:24 pm
If you ever read the Bushmen cave art book by Keeney then you can pursue these other Bushmen books I've already read: 7/27/2013 06:05:28 pm
"Cross-hatch designs engraved into two pieces
Smoothbaby
7/27/2013 07:04:32 pm
"Using knowledge of San beliefs, researchers have shown that the art played a fundamental part in the religious lives of its San painters. The art captured things from the San's world behind the rock-face: the other world inhabited by spirit creatures, to which dancers could travel in animal form, and where people of ecstasy could draw power and bring it back for healing, rain-making and capturing the game."
giggywiggy
7/27/2013 07:49:12 pm
"Recent genetic and linguistic mapping studies now supports what long seemed clear to many who grew up in Bushman country: they are the closest living relatives to our shared ‗African Adam and Eve‘....Chris Henshilwood‘s discovery at Blombos Cave suggests a South African tradition of symbolic, and probably ‗religious,‘ activity which antedates the European cave paintings by at least 40,000 years....The songs have few words, but the tune, together with the clapping and dancing, amplifies a kind of spiritual energy, or life-force called /num. This is roughly equivalent to Henri Bergson‘s elan vitale, Chinese chi, Sanskrit prana, Hawaiian mana, or Hebrew ruach –a vitalizing energy permeating all things....But when we return to the South African rock paintings we find many images representing elements of the dance and the trance experience." 2011, Louis Herman
gigglywiggly
7/27/2013 08:04:44 pm
"Down along the scenic coastline of South Africa, Professor Christopher Henshilwood is digging up the anthropological proof of our human African origins. In the Blombos Cave, over the years he and his team have painstakingly unearthed beads likely used by humans on necklaces 75,000 years ago, bone tools dating back 80,000 years and the world's earliest known painting kit.
gigglywiggly
7/27/2013 08:15:32 pm
Only Me
7/27/2013 08:30:19 pm
Well, I'll give you credit for trying. There are others who've come here and refused to accept the challenge to back up their claims. However, you haven't proven your "original human culture" yet. 7/28/2013 05:42:18 am
Ah - you are arguing from willful ignorance - you refuse to investigate the issue for yourself and they say - you have to prove it to MY standards! haha. This is no different than a spoiled boy at the Mall never satisified with what Mommy presents for him. haha. I call your attitude Mall Science.
Only Me
7/28/2013 09:14:18 am
And cue the ad hominem attack. Wow, I'm glad you finally laid your cards on the table. You've become so enamored with the Bushman people, you've accumulated any body of work that supports your belief they are the progenitors of us all. Pay attention, Drew. It's called Afrocentrism. 7/28/2013 11:52:10 am
So ... you refer to the Toba supervolcano? When there were only 2,000 humans on Earth? ummm again it's just more proof that the Bushmen are the original human culture! It has nothing to do with "afrocentrism" haha - maybe you are projecting your own racism there. 7/28/2013 12:08:56 pm
"This low population census and genetic bottleneck explains why humans are so similar among them while in the case of the ape species, this does not happen. The DNA analyses that detected this bottleneck also revealed the oldest human race: Khoisan (Bushmen), now restricted to South Africa, being at least 100,000 years old."
Only Me
7/28/2013 12:53:06 pm
So I'm projecting racism because I challenge your assertion that one, and only one, group could possibly be the progenitors of all recorded cultures in human history. Then you include a genetic report that outlines TWO closely related groups that "may represent the oldest branch of modern humans studied here." You've completely dismissed one, the Mbuti pygmies, in favor of the Bushmen. You also dismiss the idea that any groups existing prior to the Toba incident could have possibly had a hand in cultural development, again in favor of the Bushmen. Classic. 7/28/2013 03:30:06 pm
"A study showed the Khoe and San peoples of the sub-Sahara are descendents of the earliest diversification event in the history of all humans, some 100,000 years ago." 7/28/2013 03:32:28 pm
"Africa's Khoe-San were first to split from other humans
Bo Jangles
7/28/2013 03:36:37 pm
"The deepest divergence of all living people occurred some 100,000 years ago, well before modern humans migrated out of Africa and about twice as old as the divergences of central African Pygmies and East African hunter-gatherers and from other African groups," says lead author Dr Carina Schlebusch, a Wits University PhD-graduate now conducting post-doctoral research at Uppsala University in Sweden."
Only Me
7/28/2013 04:42:55 pm
Well, Drew, it seems we are at an impasse. Your belief simply will not allow for anyone to disagree with your point of view. The constant falling back to accuse someone of "willful ignorance" confirms that. I refuse to sacrifice logic and reason on the altar of your fanaticism. 7/29/2013 06:57:12 am
I have no idea what you're talking about - you're just babbling nonsense. The Bushmen are the original human culture. Anthropologists have demonstrated that the Bushmen culture is the continuation of human's ancient ancestors. 7/29/2013 07:12:39 am
''The rapid cultural change of the last 10,000 years is in a sense a cultural veneer on an older biological pattern,'' said Dr. DeVore of Harvard. ''Our deepest emotional makeup - what makes us happy, sad or loving - evolved around the campfires of hunter-gatherer bands.'' 7/25/2013 07:37:01 pm
I agree that sitting in full lotus is not necessarily going to achieve the energy of what a qigong master has -- but meditating in full lotus is a different experience.
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Tara Jordan
7/25/2013 11:22:39 pm
Drew.There is no necessity to agree on anything in order to have a proper exchange.There is a benefit to this conversation,I hope you`ll realize that no one is trying to shut you down or censor you.(although I do not consider myself to be the most qualified commentator to discuss these issues).
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7/26/2013 05:46:42 am
Tara you reminded me of a book I read about the cooperative movement in Japan as being part of what became the fascist society during WWII. To say "fascinated" is a bit limited because I don't really focus myself or specialize on Far Eastern philosophy. What happened is that I saw a flyer for a qigong master in 1995 - Effie P. Chow - and it was not just stretching, etc. but about paranormal healing. So that fascinated me but I am very critical of the New Age woo-woo scene and so I called the number to ask for my admittance fee to be lowered. Effie P. Chow let me in for half price - $10 - and my girlfriend joined me. So Effie P. Chow filled the room with chi energy and transmitted energy to people -- and then she had us make "chi balls" by putting our palms facing each other. Sure enough I felt strong electromagnetic energy pushing my hands apart. My girlfriend did not really feel anything. Now I know at the time she was having health problems whereas I was biking everyday and so relatively healthy. But then when everyone was leaving this obese female security guard wandered in saying she was wondering what was going on in her. The presentation had been at a small private college right in the city, right by the University - where there are several private colleges nearby in Minneapolis Minnesota. So then the security guard said that the fuse had been blown in the room right behind us - she had come from the door right behind Effie P. Chow. So for me that really provided some independent corroboration of my experience and so I began investigating qigong more. Dr. David Eisenberg is a Harvard-trained medical doctor who went to China to research Traditional Chinese Medicine and he meets a qigong master who provides a demonstrate of telekinesis. That book is called "Encounters with Qi."
Tara Jordan
7/26/2013 04:51:11 pm
"Tara you reminded me of a book I read about the cooperative movement in Japan as being part of what became the fascist society during WWII". 7/26/2013 05:50:56 am
http://phy.ntnu.edu.tw/~chchang/Notes10b/0611038.pdf
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Dave Lewis
7/27/2013 11:27:29 am
I'm always interested in understanding what motivates people. Drew Hemphill exhibits behavior that I've seen on the internet quite a bit.
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Only Me
7/27/2013 01:10:20 pm
Dude. You have your own blog. You keep flooding this one by basically recreating the content from yours with almost every comment. Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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