Editor's note: This piece has been edited to incorporate clarifications requested by Bruce Fenton in the comments below. I used to wonder whether Prometheus Entertainment would try to enforce its trademark on the name Ancient Aliens, but it seems increasingly clear that they have never tried. Ancient Aliens guest Mike Bara has a line of Ancient Aliens on… books that are not endorsed by the company and continue to come out even when he’s working for competing TV shows. And Bruce Fenton published Ancient Aliens in Australia, whose cover apes the TV show’s title card in design and color scheme. If I were an attorney, I’d probably start suggesting that the term “Ancient Aliens” has become a generic synonym for ancient astronauts. This leads into a discussion of Bruce Fenton’s latest doings since he recently claimed to have discovered a castle made of human bones and the remains of a giant in the Caucasus Mountains of Georgia. Fenton is now claiming that the castle is 10,000 to several million years old (“pre-Flood” at any rate), that it is a crumbled ruin made of rock “fused” with bone, and that the bones are fossilized. He now says the “ruin” is only a few stones visible atop a hill that he believes is an underground citadel of the Old Ones—er, a buried prehistoric fort. In other words, it sounds like he is describing a naturally eroded fossil bed atop a hill. The Science Channel’s Unexplained Files paid Fenton to travel to Georgia to look for a lost race of pre-Flood giants for an episode to air sometime this season. Even though the format of each episode follows an expert investigator in exploring a mystery, Fenton denies being an expert on any subject other than the paranormal. Fenton’s many claims run the gamut from unsupported to illogical, but that isn’t what interests me today. In an interview with the Altsider radio show transcribed on the Message to Eagle website, Fenton gives fascinating details about the way his interest in conspiracies rapidly grew into an all-encompassing paranoia about the hidden role of international financiers in controlling the strings of the world. His story starts off almost identically to my own encounters with the unexplained, and the resemblance is startling: …from the age of about 10-11 I took an interest in ancient mysteries and I covered, I would say, a high range from the pyramids to the crystal skulls and the Loch Ness monster, you know – pretty much anything a bit strange in Earth’s history I became sort of fascinated with and then when I hit 15 I started to have spontaneous psychic experiences in the form of telepathy. That led me on into an interesting psychism and the paranormal and the parapsychology, because I was personally experiencing it so I knew that there was a reality that we had not been taught about that was just as valid as the one that we had so I began to also study the paranormal and the occult as well as these other ancient mysteries. In The Cult of Alien Gods (2005), I described my own childhood encounters with the unexplained, which for me came a bit later, around age 11 or 12—roughly sixth or seventh grade: For me, my first contact with the world of the strange came from television. In countless hours spent watching the Discovery Channel and A&E, I had encountered this strange idea of prehistoric visitation buried in the sensational documentaries that I could not have then known were less than faithful to facts. […] I believed whole-heartedly in the theory of ancient visitors, convinced that the powers that be were concealing a fabulous past from me. I wanted to believe and I needed to believe. My late grandmother was convinced that she had psychic powers, particularly prophetic dreams, and for a while I, too, thought that I might also be so gifted. At the age of 11, such things seemed logical enough. Fenton’s path and my own diverged markedly during our college years. Fenton maintained an active interest in the paranormal and in paranoia, which he considered a separate track that he kept isolated from first his schooling and then his career in finance, writing of “my passion and my job. The two have been fairly separate.” When I started college, I, too, had kept my interest in fringe history and unexplained mysteries separate from my degree path in journalism, but as I wrote in Cult of Alien Gods, I had always been plagued by doubt. Fenton is four years older than I, and for him fringe claims are a spectrum of far-out ideas basking the haze of the New Age. For me, though, these claims were not a spectrum of mutual support but were competing explanations that contradicted each other, most notably in the fact that Graham Hancock’s lost civilization theory explained differently the same evidence Erich von Däniken used to support ancient astronauts. Both could not be true, so was either? While Fenton chose not to explore his “passion” academically, I did. In college I added an anthropology major to my degree and systematically explored the evidence for fringe history and ancient astronauts. The house of cards would not stand. I read Walter van Beek’s classic article in which he visited the Dogon and concluded that the so-called Sirius Mystery did not exist. Mountains of fringe history began to fall—including those explicitly drawing on Robert Temple’s claims from Sirius, especially Robert Bauval, who cited Temple as his inspiration, and Graham Hancock, who built on Bauval. With that, I had to sadly conclude that I had been deceived. Even though I loved these books, I knew they were not true. Sure, there were anomalies worthy of investigation and even a possibility that somewhere in the distant past there was some sort of link between cultures or even a vanished civilization, but this evidence that these authors presented was not the answer. I had hoped that it was true; I had wanted it to be true. But I could not prove it, and neither could they. Contrast that with Fenton. He moved on to a job in banking, and he began to use bank resources to explore the paranormal, to the point it metastasized in his mind and took over the way he perceived his career, not just the occult: Yes, it used to be quite funny and I would tell other members of the team about the paranormal and it began to become more and more a part of my day-to-day life and it was incorporated into that finance world and really the issue came with that when I really started to look more at the conspiracies that had to do with banking and finance themselves. The was when Fenton was 21-24 years old, the same age when I started researching and writing my Cult of Aliens Gods (21) and publishing the same (24). So what accounts for the difference? Fenton describes himself in terms that in previous investigations of other claimants skeptical investigator Joe Nickell has identified as a “fantasy-prone personality.” He believes, for example, that he experiences spontaneous astral time travel, what the rest of us might term dreams or daydreams. Here’s one he claims to have had in 2002: I had a spontaneous mystical experience when I was online talking to somebody in a chatroom and the next thing I would literally be out of my body, flying over a jungle, seeing towards a stepped Mayan temple, a pyramid. I’ve experienced intense dreams, too—though usually not while lulled into a trance state by boredom—but the vistas I see in my dreams are closer to what H. P. Lovecraft described in the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath—impossible fantasias that quite clearly could not and will never be part of the real world. Fenton, though, claims that his vision was a folie à deux, and that his chat partner also experienced the same fantasy.
In other instances, Fenton claims to have experienced strong feelings to travel to the sites featured on Ancient Aliens (and in most fringe mystery literature), particularly Giza and Angkor Wat, in order to see the remnants of what he calls the “Mu culture” that preceded Atlantis. He claims after 2012 to have had “shamanic” experiences communicating via a medium with a race of blue-skinned aliens in white jumpsuits, the Pleiadians—and because these Na’vi, er, Pleiadians—are seven-foot-tall giants, he became convinced that the Nephilim-Giants must also be real. He gleaned this information from his wife, who claimed to engaging in "trans-mediumship" with Lord Pacal of Palenque. Why him? Oh, right: He’s the “rocket man” whose coffin lid Erich von Däniken claimed represented a spaceship. We should be worried, Fenton says, because “there is (sic) a lot of Pleiadian children that are looking to incarnate onto the Earth plane.” It gets worse. He and his medium wife have had still more experiences: “We started seeing a Gray in the house so we have had interrelated experiences with other beings if you like.” He also says that while high on drugs during a shamanic ceremony he had a past life regression and realized he is the reincarnation of a space alien who came to earth in the distant past. He claims, from information gleaned from an Australian woman with similar visions, that his ancient alien self was involved in a Reptilian ambush, and in the interview states that most aliens died in the attack. In the comments below, Fenton specifies that "I did not say I died in the Reptilian ambush. In the experience the mother ship was destroyed but I was piloting a smaller ship towards Earth." I don’t like to speculate about what goes on in other people’s heads, since an individual’s internal world belongs only to him—Graham Hancock has similarly claimed to battle invisible monsters, but when he’s high on drugs. I do draw the line when others try to tell me that a person’s internal universe should be mine, too. I am appalled that the Science Channel is giving air time—and paying!—a man who claims to have a Grey alien in his house and to hold séances with blue aliens to “investigate” Reptilian conspiracies. Regardless of what you think of Fenton’s mental universe, giving him air time and claiming him as an expert on the reality we share in the physical world is grossly irresponsible. The Science Channel’s Unexplained Files simply must—though I know they won’t from their failure to disclose past guests’ credibility problems—disclose that Fenton believes he is a psychic time traveler with an occasional Grey alien houseguest. To do anything less is to deceive the audience. I say this, too, as someone who is supposed to be working with the Science Channel’s sister station American Heroes Channel this month for a different series, Codes and Conspiracies, knowing full well that criticizing the mother ship probably won’t go down well.
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EP
8/18/2014 08:08:52 am
"I am appalled that the Science Channel is giving air time—and paying!—a man who claims to have a Grey alien in his house"
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.
8/18/2014 08:13:47 am
this is like the guy who said he had a poor murdered Bigfoot
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I had a spontaneous psychic experience once. It was 1965 and I had just watched the first episode of an epic new t.v. show. It was all about re-incarnation of the most remarkable kind. It ran for only 30 episodes before it was cancelled by 'the Powers what Is',in a malevolent bid to hide the truth.
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spookyparadigm
8/18/2014 10:39:00 am
Good lord.
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EP
8/18/2014 10:51:42 am
Are you saying that you never have intense mystical experiences when posting here?!
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EP
8/18/2014 11:23:01 am
"obviously some people are just saying “oh, drugs” but obviously these plants have a history of shamanic use for altering censoriousness to take shamanic journeys."
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spookyparadigm
8/18/2014 01:39:04 pm
Reminds me of this. The film is a bit long (if edited down to the usual 44 minutes, I suspect it would be very good), but worth checking out.
EP
8/18/2014 02:15:04 pm
This film is looking *really* good for what one'd expect, actually. Jim Green's "research" is arguably of higher quality than Fenton's. Which really puts Fenton's involvement with the Science Channel in perspective.
spookyparadigm
8/18/2014 02:29:57 pm
I agree, I like the film. And I'll tell you, there are some lessons to be learned from the biologist who visits the house. I'm an archaeologist, not an ethnographer by training, but the ability to not just counter the claims, as he shows, is impressive at times.
EP
8/18/2014 02:31:56 pm
Not sure what you mean, exactly. Could you elaborate?
spookyparadigm
8/18/2014 03:01:48 pm
When the biologist visits and is able to basically be quiet and listen. He asks questions, and sometimes get answers. A lot of these answers are ridiculous, but rather than respond with "yes, but ..." he just rolls with it.
EP
8/18/2014 03:12:49 pm
I don't know - isn't the most intellectually respectable thing precisely to appreciate the creativity and the aesthetic merit, while at the same time acknowledging that the person cannot really be reasoned with? It's not like people who treat William Blake this way (for example) are being in any way disrespectful.
spookyparadigm
8/18/2014 06:27:32 pm
If the guy across the table from you sincerely believes what they're saying, and you just nod and accept it while thinking that he doesn't even have the capacity to understand what he's doing, I don't know if it's intellectually respectful. It's intellectually honest, to yourself (trying to pick a fight with such an individual would be cruel/pointless, which is I think what you're saying if I understand correctly), but in terms of respecting the guy talking about schematicles or whatever his term was, it's not respecting him.
EP
8/18/2014 06:39:12 pm
"It's like talking to a child, or someone who is impaired. Which may be entirely appropriate, but it could come off as incredibly patronizing." 8/18/2014 11:36:12 am
I am appalled that the Science Channel would promote such nonsense--only for ratings. The level of scientific knowledge of the general populace is very low; our TV channels should be correcting the situation, not making it worse.
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EP
8/18/2014 11:39:17 am
"The level of scientific knowledge of the general populace is very low"
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Dave Lewis
8/19/2014 03:13:52 pm
Mr. Satz: has any of your work been published in a peer reviewed journal?
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8/20/2014 01:31:46 pm
All work done on the Reciprocal System is peer-reviewed by other members of ISUS, Inc. So the answer is "Yes," of course.
EP
8/20/2014 01:37:25 pm
Either RWS doesn't know how peer review works, or he is being dishonest. I want to believe that it's the former, both because it would absolve him of moral fault and because it's really funny.
EP
8/18/2014 11:36:18 am
Bruce Fenton is basicaly what happens when the guy who sees Jesus in a piece of toast decides to cosplay Indiana Jones.
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BillUSA
8/18/2014 09:17:58 pm
"Bruce Fenton is basicaly what happens when the guy who sees Jesus in a piece of toast decides to cosplay Indiana Jones."
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8/18/2014 12:06:22 pm
Hey, EP, you little twerp: I'm a Ph.D. scientist and engineer; you are not. I am listed in all of the major Who's Who books; you are not. You don't have one ten-trillionth of my knowledge.
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EP
8/18/2014 12:18:54 pm
Now, now... Is that a way for a PhD to talk?... :)
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Only Me
8/18/2014 05:17:45 pm
Is that one ten-trillionth figure in accordance with Reciprocal Math or conventional math?
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Clint Knapp
8/18/2014 05:22:11 pm
Name calling, claiming to be smarter than someone you don't know, and pretending to know who might be behind an alias or what their knowledge base might be should be beneath a "Ph.D. scientist and engineer". Or anyone holding themselves to a scientific standard- real or perceived.
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EP
8/18/2014 05:34:57 pm
"One should not have to point out that philosophy is not science."
Clint Knapp
8/18/2014 06:08:35 pm
Good question. This whole discussion and Jason's observations of the parallel nature of his and Fenton's childhood interests (and I'm sure many of us reading this right now) has me thinking, though.
EP
8/18/2014 06:14:49 pm
@ Clint:
Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 02:21:05 am
I saw the link, but hadn't gone to check it out yet since I was posting in the last hour before sleep. I'll give it a look.
Byron DeLear
8/19/2014 01:06:27 pm
@ Clint. The contrarian has massively honed and exercised muscles to push against rationality in opposition to common sense; it becomes a form of fundamentalism in which the inerrancy of scripture is replaced with whatever outlandish idiosyncratic design or theory is being pursued and/or offered. Magical thinking, of course, is amplified with brain chemical rewards creating a kind of addiction of "being right," and allowing for extreme malleability in the face of mounting opposition. Absolutely faith driven.
Uncle Ron
8/18/2014 01:27:09 pm
"...when I hit 15 I started to have spontaneous psychic experiences in the form of telepathy." - Fenton
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Kal
8/18/2014 06:52:20 pm
Was the topic about a man with an grey alien or about which commenter can show up the next with inflated credentials?
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Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 02:30:49 am
I'm reminded of another man who claimed to have an alien in his house and continues to claim he sees said alien from time to time.
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EP
8/19/2014 09:31:21 am
Reed's trolling, right? Right?
.
8/19/2014 10:26:55 am
he did interviews.
.
8/19/2014 10:33:14 am
he sounded like he was going to chip off small pieces
Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 05:28:54 pm
Oh, Reed's almost certainly full of it. The last interview I heard was the Art Bell one on 9/18/2013, and while he puts a lot of passion and something resembling emotion into the interview, it sounds rather forced. The images and video he sent Art are laughable at best: http://artbell.com/jonathan-reed/
EP
8/19/2014 05:33:08 pm
He should try Russian and Indian audiences as well. People like him are regularly featured on mainstream news over there.
Jerky
8/20/2014 12:52:46 am
If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, didn't he appear on Sci-Fi's "Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files"? I looked up more on the guy after that episode had aired and his story changed with him saying the Feds showed up and took the alien body (And his freezer) from him a few days after he clubbed it to death. The "then kept it in the freezer for a while until it healed itself and disappeared. The alien still maintains telepathic contact and does not hold a grudge." is one version of the story I haven't heard before.
Clint Knapp
8/20/2014 02:21:26 am
I could have the detail of the alien's disappearance wrong, Jerky. The 9/18/13 Dark Matter interview was my first and only real exposure to Reed, so I don't know how much of it is new material or not.
Jerky
8/20/2014 03:03:30 am
Clint Knapp, I doubt you have it wrong, From what I head, Mr. Reed has changed his story a number of times, each time as a direct result of some one calling his story in to question.
Jerky
8/20/2014 03:03:43 am
Clint Knapp, I doubt you have it wrong, From what I head, Mr. Reed has changed his story a number of times, each time as a direct result of some one calling his story in to question.
Jerky
8/20/2014 03:19:50 am
I'm sorry about the repeat posting, it was accidental.
Only Me
8/18/2014 07:28:09 pm
How can anyone be an expert on pre-Flood giants when such beings haven't been proven to have existed? That's like proclaiming someone a dragon expert, a unicorn scholar or the sage of manticores.
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EP
8/18/2014 07:36:26 pm
It wasn't like "I know where you live, I'm going to cut you" kind of thing, admittedly. It was more like "Watch out, or else you'll end up like this". Still incredibly inappropriate. Plus, he impresonated me at one point as well. And now he called me a Nazi (again!), and saying that he's shitposting to "test" Jason. Clearly a "sound legal mind" if I ever seen one...
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Only Me
8/18/2014 08:06:05 pm
Oh, yeah, I remember reading something along the lines of being loaded into a train car by Nazis...or some muddled nonsense like that. Cool. I guess my mind can only interpret so much when my eyes hurt. Phil Spector created the "Wall of Sound" while . creates walls of text.
EP
8/18/2014 08:12:55 pm
You stumble across a lonely dragon. Roll for anal circumference :)
Only Me
8/18/2014 08:50:18 pm
I got +5 Underoos of No Means No! and a Cloak of Indifference, buddy. That dragon's staying lonely.
Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 02:40:10 am
I'm sorry to report that a "unicorn scholar" does exist: Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, who claims he creates authentic unicorns by "special alchemical means" he "rediscovered": chemically binding the nubs of goat horns so they grow together.
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Only Me
8/19/2014 04:11:50 am
Well.
.
8/19/2014 01:05:23 pm
i'm no expert on old Persian, but the cousins of the Medieval
BillUSA
8/18/2014 09:04:25 pm
Long ago, I detected a pattern to the overall idealism of people who believe that we aren't able to make the world in which we live. That is - the technology and the advancement of our knowledge and ethics. I could be wrong but it seems as if they have a difficult time accepting that our fate is in our hands (and that of the extinction-level objects that lurk the cosmos) and that we are also responsible for the faults in our nature.
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MartyR
8/24/2014 03:33:10 am
You might say, there are people who, as a child, saw an episode of the Twilight Zone and it stuck.
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8/19/2014 06:27:09 am
Hey, EP, what's your real name? Jason uses his, and I use mine. I'd like to see exactly what you've accomplished, if anything, in your miserable little life. I am the author of 20 books, manuals, and commercial software programs, all available from www.amazon.com. Please tell us about your career, if you have one.
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EP
8/19/2014 06:41:13 am
You forgot to add: "I'm an object of universal mockery because of my absurd claims and scientific ignorance." That's what you're going to be remembered for in the unlikely case you're remembered at all.
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.
8/19/2014 06:52:48 am
RWS... i'm almost a customer!
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Mark
8/19/2014 08:33:27 am
By the way, I replied to your last comment in the "Watch My New YouTube Video About Erich von Daniken's Most Racist Lines" thread. Sorry about the delay.
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EP
8/19/2014 08:44:30 am
Cool! What's your specialization?
Mark
8/19/2014 08:46:23 am
Contact and symplectic topology. Are you in the sciences?
EP
8/19/2014 08:52:35 am
Humanities (I don't really want to say more so as not to become target of internet crazies). Math is more of a hobby, and I know pretty much nothing about your areas.
EP
8/19/2014 10:47:45 am
Oh, is that your blog? It's all coming together now :)
EP
8/19/2014 10:59:55 am
Between the waves of declassified documents and the resurgence of interest in Russian Studies, language isn't nearly as much of a barrier as you'd imagine. (Not sure how much it is up your alley, but I particularly recommend looking into the Soviet lasers and space weapon programs. It is *hilarious*!) Also, check out "Stalin's Great Science" by Alexei Kojevnikov.
I'll pick that book up! Even if I can't use it in the blog, it sounds like a good read.
Mark L
8/20/2014 11:57:44 pm
Unless the IP address places him in this guy Satz's general location, I'd lay good money on this guy being a socko for one of Jason's regular readers.
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EP
8/21/2014 09:27:33 am
That would be quite an elaborate troll, then. He's been at it for a while, gradually becoming angrier and more ridiculous. 8/19/2014 09:30:10 am
EP, you still haven't told us your real name. But at least you told us you're a humanities major! HaHaHaHaHa. LMAO.
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EP
8/19/2014 09:34:55 am
I don't know if you're the real RWS, but why would I tell you anything about me? I have no interest in impressing random delusional kooks with my credentials.
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.
8/19/2014 10:15:16 am
BINGO
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/
EP
8/19/2014 05:35:28 pm
Weebly is designed for mentally competent people. You should take your troubles as a hint.
Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 04:42:30 pm
For a man who claims to have commercial computer programs on the market, I find it amusing you are entirely incapable of working a text box that creates hyperlinks. "[overlongURL] and [another overlongURL]" is not the proper format for the Website box on these comments. Anyone clicking your name just gets an invalid URL.
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EP
8/19/2014 05:01:34 pm
RWS: "Life forms from a combination of material and cosmic (inverse) atoms, with the cosmic atoms in control. Conventional biology does not explain the demarcation between life and non-life; the Reciprocal System does."
Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 05:15:46 pm
I'm still waiting for him to address the fundamental problem of requiring an additional "metaphysical layer" to understand real physics before I read one more word of that tripe.
EP
8/19/2014 05:31:04 pm
Sadly, neither is within my jurisdiction :)
Only Me
8/19/2014 05:40:37 pm
Clint, it's so obvious that nanognomes are responsible!
.
8/19/2014 09:02:18 pm
no... its closer to an Aristotelian idea that all is motion
.
8/19/2014 09:11:22 pm
"its as if all liquids and gases when defined
Clint Knapp
8/20/2014 01:38:33 am
I wonder... would these "cosmic particles" responsible for the "cosmic radiation" that gave the Fantastic Four their elementally-specific powers? In that case, his source must be Reed Richards- who we all know is the smartest man in the universe.
EP
8/19/2014 01:06:47 pm
@ Mark
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EP
8/19/2014 01:32:11 pm
If you only got one of the sources, I bet it was the one from 1958. The one from 1994 I cannot imagine any library actually carrying, so I doubt it's the one you were looking at. But that's the one where the bouillon story would be found, if anywhere.
EP
8/19/2014 02:15:36 pm
On the other hand, it is at best an informal second-hand report of an episode from 40 years earlier. I also suspect that the source leaves it unclear whether this was originally meant as a joke. It could also be invented by the Josephson's source (that would totally be par for the course when Russian science is considered). 8/19/2014 01:34:34 pm
Hey, EP, you anonymous little humanities major: this proves that both conventional physics and the Reciprocal System are way, way, way beyond your feeble comprehension level. Oh, and by the way, the conventional physicists cannot even agree how to interpret Quantum Mechanics--they are so befuddled: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/07/quantum-mechanics-is-an-embarrassment/
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EP
8/19/2014 01:45:14 pm
@ Mark
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Let me just say, first, the marketing department in any company is unlikely to be trained in math or science. And second, while Dr. Satz has some bizarre ideas about physics, his Transpower Corporation website does sell what appears to be legitimate decision support software written in MathCAD, in addition to his "Reciprocal System" stuff. (I say that not really knowing anything about decision support software, mind, but it does *look* legit to this completely untrained eye.)
EP
8/19/2014 02:09:56 pm
The point isn't the quality of RWS's software (which for all I know could be great, though buyers should be aware that they are supporting RWS's Reciprocal follies). The point is that I can't see a company that provides scientific tools (I mean Mathcad, not RWS) want to say, in effect "Check out all the cool things you can do with Mathcad! You can even do bizarre pseudoscience with it!" They aren't the History Channel, after all... :)
Clint Knapp
8/19/2014 05:02:02 pm
This is just growing sadder and sadder by the day, Ronald. Is your confidence in your "science" really so low that you have to come to a blog that isn't about physics at all to pick fights with people you don't know and type out your laughter at their choice to pursue a line of education that isn't your own? Is it really necessary to resort to childish "I'm smarter than you because I said so and you can't possibly understand me because you suck!" rants?
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EP
8/19/2014 05:04:27 pm
Careful, that's pretty much how "." explains why it's okay to insult and threaten people :) 8/20/2014 01:36:20 pm
Clint, you make a valid point. I should not be wasting my time with people like EP, a humanities major. Thanks.
EP
8/20/2014 01:40:32 pm
I just want to point out that you assumed I'm a humanities major based on the fact that my academic work is in the humanities. As everyone should know, academics in the humanities come from a variety of educational backgrounds.
Clint Knapp
8/20/2014 02:16:36 pm
Shhhh, EP! It worked! (maybe)
EP
8/20/2014 02:27:32 pm
Yeah, I meant RWS. I never made secret of the fact that I am an academic in the humanities. RWS's attacks are illustration of why I don't want to say anything more specific.
Clint Knapp
8/20/2014 04:08:42 pm
Quite understandable. It's all a moot point anyway since his own credentials are irrelevant when so much of his "theory" descends into metaphysics, philosophy and self-important blathering about the vastness of his own intelligence. There might have been a rational physicist in there once, but that guy died a long time ago.
.
8/20/2014 02:58:12 am
EP --- when we get angry and exchange words,
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.
8/20/2014 03:01:07 am
DISCLAIMER --- THIS IS NOT A REAL NEWS BULLETIN
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EP
8/20/2014 05:27:35 am
Um... sure, okay. Go away now.
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8/20/2014 01:58:06 pm
It is probably not worth mentioning as I don't expect a correction, but almost every 'quote' here has been edited by Jason to suit his points. Also most of his statements about me our false.
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EP
8/20/2014 02:06:03 pm
Could you please list at least some of the false statements that have been made?
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8/20/2014 02:16:03 pm
I am just as surprised. All of the quotations come directly from his interview, which is linked in the article. I'm happy to correct any errors, but each quotation is verbatim from the interview transcript. It seems to be a case of him not recognizing how other might read his words.
EP
8/20/2014 02:24:51 pm
For the record, quotations I used in my posts are also cut and pasted from the same interview transcript I'm assuming Jason used.
EP
8/20/2014 02:23:48 pm
Bruce, if you're still here, I would greatly appreciate you answering a few questions, which may help you avoid some criticism. For starters, what, exactly, do you mean by "concrete" and "fossil"?
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8/20/2014 10:02:33 pm
As far as I can tell, without chemical analysis being done,what I saw was a concrete. It is made from small stones around the size of a mobile phone, various shapes. Seemingly one type of stone. It is a very hard stone (not sandstone, limestone etc). The only thing joining the stones into a single solid mass appears to be the bones, they seem to be fused with the stones. I could not see any evidence of any other element involved. Some bone has 'melted' to impossible right angles between stones, with no sign of fractures or breaks. Whatever else I may be accused of, this is as accurate a description as I can give without mentioning aliens or giants or any theory. This is what it looks like. The bone has petrified/fossilised depending on how specific a term we should use. By this I mean it has become almost completely crystalline, it might be more correct to say the bone is petrified. The bone is not inside the rock in the sense we usually think of to mean a fossil. But no doubt being in the rock matrix (the concrete) is what prevented it from decomposing and allowed it to become petrified. In a sense then the material block is a strange kind of fossil artefact.
EP
8/20/2014 03:00:59 pm
Jason, remember how you were expressing concern that the Science Channel does business with a man who psychically travels through time and is visited by Greys? Well, here are some other things Mr. Fenton is into:
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Tim
12/29/2014 08:27:44 am
The sun DOES communicate with the life forms that inhabit its sphere of influence. I'd go further and argue that the everything within its sphere of influence is a part of the sun. Without it, everything dies.
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Clint Knapp
8/20/2014 03:50:47 pm
Alright, this whole bone-mortar thing has been bugging me since the last article about it. It's just absurd enough that I knew I'd read it somewhere. Anyone familiar with the six-part Forgotten Realms series "War of the Spider Queen"?
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EP
8/20/2014 04:16:41 pm
MUST! READ! Bruce Fenton on "Artifical Mounds":
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8/20/2014 09:48:33 pm
Hi Jason (et al),
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8/20/2014 10:08:08 pm
Continued....
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EP
8/20/2014 10:52:25 pm
"For anyone else with questions for me on my actual claims I have no interest in arguing with uber sceptics on these subjects. I do continue to debate with open minded people, even open minded sceptics, in appropriate forums. I have been around long enough to recognise arguing with close minded sceptics is pointless and I have since given up. As a wise man once said, “Never try and teach a pig to sing, you only end up wasting your time and annoying the pig.”"
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Mark L
8/21/2014 12:48:39 am
Thank you for being reasonable in your reply.
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8/21/2014 06:07:45 am
I'm sorry I didn't label your wife as your wife. I was not aware of your domestic arrangements and did not want to guess.
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.
8/21/2014 12:33:53 am
i keep on thinking of the shoulder blades and tusks of
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EP
8/21/2014 12:49:44 am
Fuck it, I can’t sleep anyway. This is far from exhaustive. I’m not even touching the scientific merit of your claims.
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8/21/2014 06:13:34 am
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, EP. I'd just add that I'm not sure I understand the difference between "channeling" and "trans-mediumship," but if it makes him happy, I'll use the proper term for psychic possession by an ancient alien-human hybrid with hallucinogenic blood.
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EP
8/21/2014 08:41:55 am
Gotta keep dem hybrids happy. Remember what happened in Alen: Resurrection :)
.
8/21/2014 09:57:22 am
Classic late 1800s 'channeling' involves getting into a deep
Only Me
8/21/2014 04:22:50 pm
Knock yourself out, EP. Fenton's "response" was the most mewling, asinine load of boo hoo hoo I've had the displeasure to read.
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EP
8/21/2014 04:39:03 pm
I really can't take reading more Fenton, unfortunately. Reading him actually makes me feel dumber. I just want to know whether any of this is the Science Channel's damage control.
EP
8/21/2014 09:14:59 am
As I suggested in the earlier thread, this is almost certainly the "bone castle" the referecne to which Fenton was too lazy and/or inept to properly follow up on:
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8/21/2014 10:06:08 am
SOME "T" WORDs --- FROM THE LINK! THERE ARE MORE!
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"T" words continued
8/21/2014 10:09:18 am
Personalities express aspects of themselves in venues for learning to gain specific understanding. Once expressed as individuals, these sub-personalities evolve according to the intended objectives expressed by their source personality. They eventually return understanding to their source personality, depending on their energetic agreement. See: Progression
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.
8/21/2014 10:12:00 am
CONCLUSION --- Trans-Mediumship is a new word
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EP
8/21/2014 03:15:14 pm
Jason, I believe there is more to the question of Fenton's expertise than he is now claiming. In his post above, Fenton says:
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