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Science Channel Sunday Reviewed: "Finding Atlantis" and "America's Lost Vikings"

2/19/2019

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​Today, I thought I’d review the Science Channel’s Sunday night lineup, even though it turned out to be much less interesting or impressive than the marketing made it seem.
 
My on-screen guide called Sunday night’s Science Channel special by the title Atlantis: The Dark Secrets, which is a lot more interesting than the show’s actual on-screen title, Finding Atlantis: The New Evidence, a show that bears the hallmarks of being a Euro import with new American-accented narration dubbed over it. I watched the whole damned thing until I found out that it was a “BBC/Discovery Channel/France Televisions/Prosieben co-production,” and despite being listed as “new” in my cable guide, it was actually first broadcasted on the BBC in 2011. I feel like it was on before here in the U.S. before, but a Google search doesn’t turn up any immediate evidence of it. Maybe it aired under another name?
​The first episode of the two-part special shown Sunday night was a bit of a bait-and-switch, using Atlantis mostly as framework to talk about the exploration of Pavlopetri, a five-thousand-year-old sunken city off the coast of Greece. A group of archaeologists are followed as they attempt to reconstruct what Pavlopetri would have looked like by combining archaeological data and with comparisons from other early Greek sites, including those of Santorini, Crete, and the Mycenaean territories.
 
The second episode focuses more on Atlantis itself, beginning with the claim that Atlantis is “the greatest legend of all time,” and a recitation of Plato’s account of Atlantis. The narrator suggests that Plato’s texts might lead us to “the real Atlantis,” even though the narration and the talking heads recognize that Plato’s Atlantis is not a real history but rather a moral and political allegory. However, Angie Hobbs of the University of Warwick and “experts” say that Plato must have drawn on real history in creating his Atlantis. To my mind, that’s a bit like hunting for the “real” Hogwarts because J. K. Rowling must have drawn on real British boarding schools in creating it.
 
After the first few minutes discussing Atlantis, the show does another bait-and-switch, devoting the rest of the hour to discussing the Minoan society of Thera (Santorini), the island destroyed by a volcanic eruption around 1600 BCE. The claim that Thera was Atlantis was put forward in 1909, but there remains no evidence that the Greeks had any knowledge of Thera’s former civilization. A rather ridiculous claim used to support the identification revolves around the role of women. Historian Bettany Hughes said that for her Thera had to be the “lost world” of Plato’s Atlantis because the Minoans treated women better than the Greeks. This had nothing to do with Atlantis, but apparently it felt politically correct.
 
Floyd McCoy, a volcanologist from the University of Hawaii, falsely asserts that “the collective memory of man” preserved the knowledge that the Thera eruption had destroyed an advanced civilization, and historian Bettany Hughes agrees that Plato must have drawn on oral traditions of Thera. The trouble with that is that no other Greek writer said anything of it, nor did they recall the Minoan civilization very well (aside from the Daedalus and Minotaur myth), and no one bothers to explain how it is that everyone failed to notice that the volcano did not destroy Minoan civilization, which continued on for two centuries before falling to the Mycenaeans.
 
“Experts agree that there is only one candidate for the real Atlantis,” the narrator says. And that, of course, is Thera. Except for all the parts that don’t match anything about Atlantis. We can forget about those and call them fiction.
 
There is really nothing wrong with Finding Atlantis except that it has nothing much to do with Atlantis. The producers clearly wanted to make a documentary about the underwater archaeology of the Aegean and seem to have discovered that broadcasters do not want to show documentaries with a “sexy” hook, so they have grafted about the bare minimum of Atlantis content possible onto what otherwise would have passed for an episode of Nova or Horizon.
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​Meanwhile, in the second episode of America’s Lost Vikings, Blue Nelson and Mike Arbuthnot became practically orgasmic at the thought that they might have uncovered evidence of Viking expeditions into North America. Nelson speaks rapturously of his “Viking blood” and talks about how he hopes to find proof that “my cousins” lived in America, claiming that the investigation is “personal” for him. 
​The plot of the episode revolves around pit traps for catching animals. Our heroes decide that a set of “mysterious” pits could be the remains of Viking hunting efforts, even though they are much larger than those used in Scandinavia in Viking times. The men recognize that the Vikings might not have dug the pits, but they pretend they did anyway and try to imagine how and why, engaging in a lot of outdoor adventures and wild speculation with the stated purpose of proving that “my cousins” were marching around beyond L’Anse aux Meadows. They also visit a small private museum in Newfoundland where some objects alleged to be Viking tools are on display.
 
But despite all of the histrionics, it’s not really all that “incredible,” as Nelson calls it, to look for Vikings on the exact same peninsula where L’Anse aux Meadows stands. I don’t think it’s terribly controversial to suggest they explored the region surrounding the settlement, if only briefly. It’s interesting in a historical way, but in terms of “rewriting” history, it’s more footnote than revelation.
 
The second half of the show descends into a discussion of Viking ships and their capabilities, giving Arbuthnot and Nelson an excuse to go sailing on a recreated Viking ship, just like every other TV host who does an episode about Vikings. They basically recreate Josh Gates’s Viking episode about sunstones from an early Expedition Unknown, but thirty seconds of facts take up nearly half the running time of the hour. Basically, our heroes follow Carl Rafn’s suggestion from the 1830s of taking the Icelandic Sagas literally. Because they say that the Vikings traveled two days from their first landing point to reach Vinland, they believe that they can locate the best possible location for Vinland by timing how fast a reconstructed Viking ship can travel and then using that speed to see how far south from Nova Scotia (why Nova Scotia?—just because) they might have traveled. This places them 200 nautical miles from Nova Scotia, conveniently the right distance to hit Cape Cod, where in a future episode they can lust after the same fake rune stones that Rafn found so compelling. Arbuthnot should know a thing or two about that—he was there for the America Unearthed episode where Scott Wolter did the same thing and “found” Vinland in the same place.
 
Overall, S01E02 “Mystery of the Sea Raiders” is minimally competent, unchallenging, and dull. It’s painfully clear that it has been modelled on America Unearthed and its imitators, but though it pains me to say it, it fails to live up that show’s low standards. The production values are low. The cinematography is uninspired, the lighting harsh and flat, and the editing plodding. The hosts appear to be wearing middle-aged dad clothes from their own closets. Vikings looks like an imitation of America Unearthed—right down to the suspiciously similar title card—and every element, from the monotone narration to the long stretches of wasted time, is just a little bit worse than the name-brand original. It’s the store brand of vaguely racist pseudo-documentaries.
 
And when I say vaguely racist, there is something weird about the premise of lustfully hoping to find Vikings deeper and deeper into North America, and choosing to explore this potential (which is a legitimate, albeit increasingly unlikely possibility) through the prism of the host’s feelings of ethnic pride in their accomplishments. That approach has nearly two hundred years of associations with explicitly racist efforts to recreate the history of North America in the image of northern Europe, and to see it recycled here, even in innocent naivete, only highlights how little consideration anyone involved in this slapdash production put into thinking through the actual history that they dance over in their eager fantasy. 
33 Comments
Jim
2/19/2019 09:24:00 am

Yup, Lost Vikings seems like a watered down version of AU. Without Wolters sheer ignorance, ineptitude and ability to present pure nonsense as fact it's pretty ho-hum by comparison.
With so many fascinating real and known facts and storyline about the Vikings, it's almost criminal to make a show about them so boring.
Allow me to spice it up with a Wolterism:
The large Viking pit traps were obviously for the purpose of capturing the many red haired giants who were running amok throughout America at the time.
It seems most likely that the Vikings were run out of America by these giants rather than the disgraced Smithsonian's theory involving the Skraelings.

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Joe Scales
2/19/2019 10:31:38 am

"And when I say vaguely racist, there is something weird about the premise of lustfully hoping to find Vikings deeper and deeper into North America, and choosing to explore this potential (which is a legitimate, albeit increasingly unlikely possibility) through the prism of the host’s feelings of ethnic pride in their accomplishments."

Given that Italian-Americans have celebrated Columbus' efforts for quite a while, how would it be racist at all for folks believing themselves to be of Northern European blood to want to have that sort of pride instead? Sure, what happened after Columbus could be considered racist/genocidal, but that's beyond the historic nature of the discovery. So looking at solely the aspect of discovery, what's so bad about wanting VIkings to have been here before Columbus?

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Naughtius
2/19/2019 11:35:29 am

I don’t think it’s racist, either. But it just reeks of people wanting everything to be about them.

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V
2/19/2019 12:12:50 pm

Actually, celebrating "Columbus discovered America!" IS just a touch racist, as it implies that the people living here before he arrived weren't really human beings. And before you say "no it doesn't," that is literally what was said AT THE TIME OF THE DISCOVERY, and for several hundred years afterwards. And unfortunately, most celebrations of Columbus even today don't celebrate, "He made a difficult journey" or "he survived to go back to Europe" or "he made contact with new peoples," they celebrate the "discovery" of America. And with no aknowledgment that Columbus himself was a racist fuck. You have to be, to throw a tantrum when the locals don't HAVE what you want and to take them as slaves when they can't give you what you want, and that's exactly what Columbus did. Erasing that is what's called "whitewashing," and that's kind of inherently racist, too.

So basically what I'm saying is, it's kind of racist of Italian-Americans TOO.

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Joe Scales
2/19/2019 03:03:32 pm

Columbus made a discovery nonetheless, on behalf of his culture. Sailing across the ocean in 1492 is still quite an accomplishment V; regardless of how you view its aftermath.. and ignore its context.

V
2/19/2019 10:07:47 pm

No, Joe. I didn't ignore the context. I literally said, people DON'T celebrate "he made a difficult journey" or "he survived to go home," they celebrate a "discovery" as if there was no one in the Americas when Columbus got to the Caribbean. That's literally saying "yes, it was quite an accomplishment to sail the ocean blue in 1492, while putting INTO the context of the fact that the actual contact itself was an act of invasion, not discovery. I would actually have a lot less problems with Columbus Day if it DID keep the context...but it doesn't. And that's the part that's racist. You don't have to like it for it to be TRUE, and insisting "he discovered it for his culture, regardless of its aftermath" is not only racist, but also complete bullshit. He was a fucking Italian sailing under the SPANISH flag. Two DIFFERENT cultures, especially at the time. He didn't do shit for HIS culture, other than get run out of it for debt. Because Europe isn't even a single integrated culture TODAY, much less back in 1492.

Joe Scales
2/20/2019 11:41:21 am

You certainly did ignore the context V. Native Americans were seen as savages by Columbus' culture (that would be Western Culture, by the way); for which it remains an amazing discovery.

Jason Colavito link
2/19/2019 02:03:04 pm

The show isn't explicitly racist. The vague part comes from the fact that they are evoking historical claims that were widely used for more than 100 years for racist purposes, and they are doing so without really understanding what they are doing. White Americans developed a Viking ancestor obsession in the 1800s and 1900s as a way to legitimate their social position at the top of the racial/cultural hierarchy, and their possession of former Native American land, so hunting for "my cousins" in New England is basically reenacting this history, even though they don't realize what they are doing.

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Joe Scales
2/19/2019 02:52:46 pm

"The vague part comes from the fact that they are evoking historical claims that were widely used for more than 100 years for racist purposes, and they are doing so without really understanding what they are doing."

Oh, I know that's the stretch you make on a near constant basis, but it really doesn't apply here. Just because some people who had an idea got there through racist ideology, doesn't mean others can't get the same idea through other means. But if you want to go ahead and recklessly call people racists... well, read the news. That ain't going so well. Not if you're seeking truth, that is.

Jason Colavito link
2/19/2019 03:56:35 pm

I didn't call them racist, Joe. There are people who advocate eugenics without having any idea where the notion came from. Is it wrong to notice how the same ideas were put to use in the past and caution that maybe it's worth paying attention to that?

Doc Rock
2/19/2019 04:14:26 pm

It doesn't matter how small of bites you cut it into Jason. Any discussion of things like structural racism and implicit racism is only going to anger and confuse the kiddie table.

Interesting to note that the rise in interest in Viking settlement in North America came at about the same time that the Columbus celebration was becoming a more explicitly Italian American affair. Given the strange position of italians in the hierarchy of the time, it shouldn't be surprising that WAsps in general might find a Scandinavian historical narrative more palatable than an Italian one. Leaving out the finns of course.

David Bradbury
2/19/2019 04:47:27 pm

"the rise in interest in Viking settlement in North America came at about the same time that the Columbus celebration was becoming a more explicitly Italian American affair"
Except that the real impetus for such interest was Rafn's "Antiquitates Americanæ" over half a century earlier, which may have helped to encourage the massive Scandinavian migration to the midwest territories which were opened up in the 1840s and 50s. It was inevitable that Scandinavian Americans in the 1890s would have a perspective on the Columbus story.

Doc Rock
2/19/2019 04:58:43 pm

David,

Please note that I was speaking in terms of interest in Viking settlement going well beyond Scandinavia or the Scandinavian-American community in the US

Kent
2/19/2019 06:27:24 pm

Jason, where did the notion of eugenics come from? I think the road you've taken the discussion down is fascinating!

Joe Scales
2/19/2019 08:53:07 pm

"I didn't call them racist, Joe."

Uh, yeah you did. However you wished to dance around it, the allegation was clearly made.

So you want to take it back then? They're not racists?

V
2/19/2019 10:15:55 pm

Oh, Joe. Still failing to understand the difference between calling an IDEA racist and calling the people who espouse it racist, I see. Sorry, but it doesn't matter how you GOT to the sewers, they're still a cesspit. And it doesn't matter if the actors in a show are themselves racist when the narrative of the show itself is racist. Kinda like trying to say my ancestors who ran a school for blacks at a time when that was illegal by buying child slaves and educating them, then freeing them when they turned 18 with an education that made them valuable workers doesn't mean that slavery wasn't racist. It was still racist, and frankly, for all that my ancestors were TRYING to do good, still contributed to the cultural erasure of African identity.

David Bradbury
2/20/2019 05:44:12 am

Doc,
Fair enough, but if by "at about the same time that the Columbus celebration was becoming a more explicitly Italian American affair" you mean "around the time of the 1492 quincentenary celebrations" then yeah, that was an inevitable golden opportunity to focus worldwide attention on the ways America became connected to Europe.

Doc Rock
2/20/2019 06:59:49 am

David

I'm talking in terms of late 19th century and early 20th century developments when, in some contexts, Columbus Day started to became much more of a celebration of Italian-American identity than a celebration of Columbus's voyage. With an obvious link to rising levels of italian immigration. There are some very interesting possibilities about why this trend at this time in the italian american community would have made the notion of Viking voyages a very interesting topic to some WASPS beyond the Scandanavian-American community.

Joe Scales
2/20/2019 11:44:38 am

"Still failing to understand the difference between calling an IDEA racist and calling the people who espouse it racist, I see."

Using an idea used by racists to label others who arrived at the idea without racism, to call them racists is what I most certainly understand. And it is wrong. But you go ahead and call everyone who disagrees with you racists. That's the climate these days, and you're uglier for it.

An Anonymous Nerd
2/19/2019 11:03:14 pm

Mr. Colavito adequately explained his thoughts, in the post and in his two (for now) replies to you.

I'll also point out that given the nature of the Vikings, the way in which White Supremacists in the United States seem to love to appropriate Norse/Viking imagery, and the various attempts over the years to lay a specifically White claim to the United States (I've yet to see Columbus appropriated that way), there's particular reason to be creeped out here.

I've actually heard plenty of people describe veneration of Columbus as racist in my day so that analogy fails as well.

*shrugs*

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Doc Rock
2/20/2019 01:29:33 pm

See, for example, the organization Soldiers of Odin which was recently started in Finland and now has chapters (loosely defined) in Canada and the US.

Poodleshooter
2/20/2019 03:22:17 pm

"Recently started" compared to Hell's Angels or even The Pagan's (that's how they spell it) but still they were in the news three years ago.

Doc Rock
2/20/2019 07:14:15 pm

Soldiers of Odin was founded toward the end of 2015 and started to go global, relatively speaking, over the course of the following year. News Coverage of them three years ago would be about the time they first started to show their asses in public. So yes quite a recent development.

Poodleshooter
2/20/2019 09:26:03 pm

So Donald Trump was recently elected and Jews were recently killed in Pittsburgh and Jason recently adopted a baby. And you were recently always right and always the winner. Not my problem.

Doc Rock
2/20/2019 09:53:24 pm

Sounds good to me.

Kent
2/19/2019 11:19:22 am

I have to say, I don't see the racism here. But this review is fascinating!

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A C
2/19/2019 02:18:51 pm

I was worried for a moment when I read that these were BBC co-produced (there's some crap in BBC documentaries but not the level of stuff normally reviewed here) but from the description I'm sure I saw these when they were broadcast in the UK.

The Atlantis connection is silly but its more like how Romanian history only gets to be in documentaries called 'the real Dracula'. The actual amount of inspiration Bram Stoker derived from either of the historical Voivoides Vlad is pretty small. Talking about the real Atlantis in this context is about as meaningless as talking about 'the real Sherlock Holmes', which has happened on TV. Calling a site 'the' real Atlantis is hoaxing or mystery mongering, calling a underwater site 'a' real Atlantis is merely using a cultural reference for marketing purposes.

The funny thing is that the fact that proper academics are allowed to support these flimsy Santorini = Atlantis theories shows how laughable it is to claim that 'mainstream' academia is unwilling to confront 'the real evidence' on lost civilizations.

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A C
2/19/2019 02:34:28 pm

The American accented narration sounds like the localization team did a hatchet job and messed with the script. I don't think these two documentaries were scheduled as a series in the UK and the Pavlopetri documentary I remember had zero talk of Atlantis in it (the Thera documentary did and I might have forgotten any in the Pavlopetri one).

Wikipedia has the UK title as "City Beneath the Waves: Pavlopetri".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015yh6f

Bettany Hughes discussed Thera and Atlantis as part of the BBC series Timewatch in the 2010 episode "Atlantis: The Evidence", a series which has used Atlantis as a topic a few times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sl29f

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timewatch

So sounds like the Science Channel bought two British documentaries from unrelated series and spliced them together with a new voice over. Your deja vu may have come from a previous American broadcast of the same material in a different format.

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Eirik Sinclair
2/19/2019 02:29:02 pm

Just wanted to stop by and say 'Hi", and you are all doing a great job.

I personally don't think there were even Indians in the Americas until Columbus brought them here in 1492. The pyramids were just built in 1776 to house the Wright Brothers.

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Like a Rolling Kensington Stone
2/19/2019 09:12:33 pm

The original Indians were Turkish slaves brought by the Viking Templars and who escaped captivity by leaving many of their captors red with blood. I know because an Ojibwe Medicine man told me that their word for fishing line is the same as the Turkish word for Pubic hair. The Templars lost the battle because their concrete fortifications collapsed and a well known forensic geologist prepared a double blind peer review paper on it published by the Fargo Community College Journal of Miscellaneous Studies.

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Riley V
2/20/2019 01:38:34 am

Thanks Jason,

I’m glad you watch this so I don’t have too. I couldn’t find any links to these shows on IMDB, which surprised me.

Got to run, Marzulli is on Coast to Coast, pushing his new video on how the Nephalim built the mounds. Sadly, he didn’t quote your new book at all. Maybe that’s for the best. What a nutter.

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Norbert Fiks link
2/24/2019 11:58:14 am

" To my mind, that’s a bit like hunting for the “real” Hogwarts because J. K. Rowling must have drawn on real British boarding schools in creating it." - Well, who knows, in 2000 years...

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Lyn
2/24/2019 12:56:42 pm

love the Harry Potter comparison.

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